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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BigCrate on February 17, 2002, 11:22:32 PM
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Anyone notice that anyone from HTC doesn't listen to a thing anyone saids BS or not??? I have only been playing a few months.
So I'm kinda at odds posting this.. But if someone points out something about a plane or would like to have this added. Its nobody listens or they say well we won't we do that because..
Now I may squeak about somethings. But I try to back it up with facts and not with abunch of roadkill. Its mainly about the P-38
cause it gets the toejam end of stick most times.. Don't get me wrong AH is better than AW in most areas but poor in others.
It is a damn good sim. But we pay for and fly AH.. I'm just saying
don't just blow off somethings we are just trying to help. And sometimes just sometimes people that fly AH and don't work for HTC know more about some plane than the people that work for HTC. And those people need to be heard I think. And saying we can't add that because people squeak. Well people are gonna squeak no matter what.. So you are pretty much damned if you do and damned if you don't. Anyone else have thoughts about this??
And don't post anything saying I'm a puttz.. Thats not what I'm looking for and already know that :)
Cw
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Now I may squeak about somethings. But I try to back it up with facts and not with abunch of roadkill. Its mainly about the P-38 cause it gets the toejam end of stick most times.. Don't get me wrong AH is better than AW in most areas but poor in others.
To stumble on this jewel 2 minutes after the Dennis Miller show.. and to be THEN unable to work with this material...
...well, I'm afraid i may have jussssssssst lost it.
;)
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Aside from the new voice system that will be integrated into AH in 1.09, we’ve been working on a powerful new film viewer/editor as I mentioned before. This is a separate Windows app much like the new terrain editor. In addition to allowing you to edit your films, this new app has many useful new features. In addition to seeing plane type and distance information, you will also see the ID’s of the pilots of enemy aircraft, and see readouts of their speed and altitude. You will also be able to move your viewpoint to other aircraft in your films instead of just being slaved to your own. This will also give you the ability to capture films to an AVI format.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25785
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23870
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24941
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25292
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24058
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25526
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25543
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23982
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24996
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24170
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25124
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24539
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25410
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25491
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25614
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25489
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25519
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24385
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24268Automated trains, truck convoys, roads, tracks, supply points, and a resupply system have been added to Aces High.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=169
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5000Supplies can now be dropped on a field to repair the field or shorten the downtime. The C-47, M-3, and LVT-2 have this capability. Field supplies will repair or shorten the downtime of all objects within 1 mile of where it is deployed. It cannot be used to repair enemy owned objects or objects from the field it originated from.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5355&highlight=resupply
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3401
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12218Added the following planes: Me-262, Hurricane IIC, Hurricane IID, F4U-1, F4U-4, and Mosquito Mk VI.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28379
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3030
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27268
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28682
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27390
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27256
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2467
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40
.... bah... why bother going on... they're all there.
I can't believe this was even started.
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If you think something is wrong with the 38, provide some documentary evidence: Army aircorps or Lockheed documents, German analysis of captured aircraft etc... Otherwise it is just somebody's opinion which is contradicted by somebody elses opinion.
Hooligan
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this is fitting...
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just because the p38 isn't the ultra-uber demon from AW doesn't mean it's wrong.
you're in the big leagues now, the p38 has a real flight model and none of the dedicated lighting drivers have felt fit to complain about their ride anymore. last issue i remember seeing was the 'glass tail' and it's been fixed.
you're not a putz, your just new.
(although i wonder if this is some kind of troll from heater directed at hitech? i *never* see the word putz around here)
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Anyone notice that attention starved kids can really make tulips of themselves if left near a keyboard.
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I have to defend Bigcrate to some extent here. :)
I fully understand his point of view, any random look at posts on this board would lead you to believe that HTC does not take any notice of what is said.
The problem is that they do respond to posts, but given the number of threads generated on any particular subject, there reply gets buried.
What I have suggested before and will again ;) is that somwhere HTC lists the following items.
BUG list. That way people know if any particular problem is being looked at.
New Feature. Things that HTC want to put in and a general order that they are being considered for.
This would IMHO relieve alot of the feeling (without cause) that peoples problems or suggestions are being ignored.
Grayarea.
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Originally posted by BigCrate
Anyone notice that anyone from HTC doesn't listen to a thing anyone saids BS or not??? I have only been playing a few months.
So I'm kinda at odds posting this.. But if someone points out something about a plane or would like to have this added. Its nobody listens or they say well we won't we do that because..
Now I may squeak about somethings. But I try to back it up with facts and not with abunch of roadkill. Its mainly about the P-38
cause it gets the toejam end of stick most times.. Don't get me wrong AH is better than AW in most areas but poor in others.
It is a damn good sim. But we pay for and fly AH.. I'm just saying
don't just blow off somethings we are just trying to help. And sometimes just sometimes people that fly AH and don't work for HTC know more about some plane than the people that work for HTC. And those people need to be heard I think. And saying we can't add that because people squeak. Well people are gonna squeak no matter what.. So you are pretty much damned if you do and damned if you don't. Anyone else have thoughts about this??
And don't post anything saying I'm a puttz.. Thats not what I'm looking for and already know that :)
Cw
I'll bite. What exactly is your point? You're not happy with the P-38?
Why?
If you think it's wrong, better check your data and check it twice. Then check it again. Then, consider sending an email to HTC explaining in excrutiating detail what you've found rather than posting it here. :eek:
I'm not saying you're wrong. Hell, I haven't a clue. But I do know one thing for certain. Publicly questioning the AH flight model without any data to back it up will get you nothing but flames for your trouble.
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P-38 is fine now. No glass tail, tougher and the FM is right on from what I've read for the most part. The only questionable part of the plane is its dive flaps.
xBAT
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Incidentally, I've never tried AW.
I've heard a lot of people mentioning the P-38s were killers in
AW. What was the P-38 in AW like anyway??
:confused:
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ROTFLOL at this first post...most of us are here, and remain here, because HTC DOES listen to their customers!
As far as FM goes, we could argue those til we died 75 years from now. If you've got hard data to prove something other than what they have,send it to them. They HAVE altered some FM's when the community has proven the data otherwise.
In other words, put up, or shut up.
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Lalalalalalalala!...I can't hear you!...Lalalalalalala!
:p
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rofl Superfly. :D
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
Lalalalalalalala!...I can't hear you!...Lalalalalalala!
:p
You forgot this pic, Super!
(http://members.tripod.com/~Pweee/Picts/53.jpg)
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just because the p38 isn't the ultra-uber demon from AW doesn't mean it's wrong.
Bingo!!
Westy
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Bigcrate, don't mistake the fact that HTC doesn't camp out on the boards as a sign that nothing is getting done. I think the opposite is true. There are deveopment teams from other games who spend all their time on the boards touting their softwares prowess, talking about how they can do this or that easily. But if you'll notice, those are usually the games that get stuck in a rut. I can think of 2 off the top of my head. Silence on the boards usually means there's work going on in the background.
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THats what U was looking for!! To see if anyone was listening that is it. I'm happy with a 38 its dives suck and its compressibilty
is a lil overbaked but that is about it.. And AW was the big leagues when it was online. But now AH is the big leagues.
Thanks for posting what yall did I was just trying to find some stuff out.. THat is all and no need for someone to get t her panties in a knot :).
Cw
PS I'll look at my lockheed data later tonight to see if I'm right or wrong.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Incidentally, I've never tried AW.
I've heard a lot of people mentioning the P-38s were killers in
AW. What was the P-38 in AW like anyway??
:confused:
Kweassa,
Remember, most AW'rs flew in Relaxed Realism where there was no blackouts or spins. If you stalled, you simply pointed the nose down and started flying again. In RR, the 38's flaps allowed it to do a very tight downward spiral and, since there was no fear of blacking our or stalling, they could pull this spiral in even tighter than a spit could turn. It could also do an amazing flip-flop to change directions 180 degrees. These little tricks only worked against somebody who didn't know them, though. In the full realism arenas, these abilities were largely negated by black-outs and stalls.
HaMmeR
Tactics and Plane Information at [url]www.netaces.org (http://www.netaces.org)[/URL]
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Originally posted by xHaMmeRx
In the full realism arenas, these abilities were largely negated by black-outs and stalls.
The P-38 in AW full realism was a very formidable opponent; it wasn't just a RR thing.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Funny hammer.. But I flew FR in AW2 and Aw3 that was the only arena i flew during that time. GRant I flew in RR but that was Aw classic and only couple of months on AW2.. And anyways I found what I was looking for I was wrong yall were right end of story.
Cw
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I would say that you haven't been here long enough to accurately make that determination. Once you've been through a release, you'll be a better judge. You can see if there is a correlation between what people ask for and what we do. Of course, if you don't pay attention to what other people ask and only judge us according to your own desires, the odds are stacked against us. Likewise, if you only look at what we didn't do and not at what we did, we'll come up short there as well.
Talk is cheap and the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If your idea of a company "listening" is having them lull you with dulcet rhetoric, we'll not win that competition.
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Originally posted by Pyro
If your idea of a company "listening" is having them lull you with dulcet rhetoric, we'll not win that competition.
Ohhhh, I don't know about that, you see, I went out drinking with Super and Nate...if you want to talk rhetoric, well.....:D:D:D
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I'm sorry Pyro, but that obviously isn't enough. But don't fret, I have an idea that might help!
What you need to do is interview aces with real flight experience in ww2 aircraft. Not those old can't remember if I was in a P-47 or a 47 buick guys... but the real aces... from AirWarrior.
Get their feedback on how accurately your aircraft is modeled by allowing them to compare it to AW flight modelling. Then, and only then, will you have an accurate game.
Of course, you're going to have to find a way to deal with the other 80% of the customers that feel you are way closer to realistic than AW could ever hope to be... but I'm not offering you solutions to all your problems.. just this one.
AKDejaVu
Disclaimer: This is not an "ALL AW PILOTS ARE LOSERS" post. It speaks merely to those that insist that because it was one way in AW it was the right way and must be done here.
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Should have seen the P-38 last-year.Geez,he would realy be upset then.
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Pyro
I like it your way.
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Originally posted by xHaMmeRx
Kweassa,
Remember, most AW'rs flew in Relaxed Realism where there was no blackouts or spins. If you stalled, you simply pointed the nose down and started flying again. In RR, the 38's flaps allowed it to do a very tight downward spiral and, since there was no fear of blacking our or stalling, they could pull this spiral in even tighter than a spit could turn. It could also do an amazing flip-flop to change directions 180 degrees. These little tricks only worked against somebody who didn't know them, though. In the full realism arenas, these abilities were largely negated by black-outs and stalls.
HaMmeR
Tactics and Plane Information at [url]www.netaces.org (http://www.netaces.org)[/URL]
That explains why I've seen the "corkscrew plunge of death" recently. I've jumped alot of P38's as of late and the first move is nose down and spiral. Thing is they keep going. Oh well, saves ammo.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
Lalalalalalalala!...I can't hear you!...Lalalalalalala!
:p
Who's your Daddy?
(http://joecartoon.t-shirtoutlet.com/catalog/largeimages/images/JCToy.jpg)
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Originally posted by moose
you're in the big leagues now
Heh heh. The big leagues. Heh heh heh.
- oldman
(glad he's finally old enough to be in the big leagues)
(is there a secret handshake, too?)
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Mucho grande PERK points for use of the word dulcet!!
;)
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there is a P-38 pilot that works in a sportsman store in Florence Oregon if anyone in the area wants to go talk to one. He is more than willing to share stories
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If there's one company in the world that listens to it's customers, it's this one. Where else can you call up with a tech question and get it answered by the CEO of the Company?
That's what I did on Saturday with an AHV issue.
Try getting Michael Dell on the phone one day!
Thanks for the support, Hi-tech.
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"none of the dedicated lighting drivers have felt fit to complain about their ride anymore"
Eh?
Not true. Not true :) :)
It took nearly TEN tours of "whining" until the 38 damage model was fixed from 1-ping death to a normal damage model rivaling that of the P-47 (as it SHOULD be). I do agree that it is a *bit* too strong in the wings now, they never get shot off now.. but then again, ive never read or seen a film of a p38 getting its wing root shot out...wingtips yes, wing roots, no.
Pyro: LOL! You da man! :D :D Now paint it green!!!! Put 12 X .303 armament in the hurri I! *grin*
Perhaps in 10 more tours the dive flaps will be fixed ;)
"If you think something is wrong with the 38, provide some documentary evidence"
As far as the dive flaps, that has been provided. Now we just wait for it to get on the top of the "to-do" list.
Right now the 38's problems in AH are:
1) Dive flaps (should pull nose up at 3-4'gs if deployed at high speeds)
2) Fowler flaps auto-retracting causing really nasty spins (should not auto-retract)
3) Missing ordenance option of 2X 2k bombs
4) Missing earlier 38 models (F,G,H,J)
HTC responds very quickly to costumer concerns, but when its about modeling and stuff, be prepared to wait.. and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait... and one day *BANG* it happens without warning.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
The P-38 in AW full realism was a very formidable opponent; it wasn't just a RR thing.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Hah! Like you would know anything about it! :D
Drano
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Bigcrate.... hmmm is this the same Bigcrate that swore up and down that the AH P-38 climbrate was off in one thread and he had "proof" that it was wrong? That is until I got my P-38 pilots manual out and provided data suggesting that Bigcrate was .... errr ummmm "misinformed" maybe? :)
Oh and just a FYI, but go back into AW and count the number of flap settings. Now look at a P-38 manual and see how many flap settings were actually available in real life. It might give you a small clue as too why the old "pump the flaps" technique worked so well in AW.
Tac, no matter how long you think you have been waiting for your "Green P-38" ;) I can guarantee that I've been waiting longer for the Yak-9UT that Pyro told me he was gonna do "real soon" And its an even easier varient to get done too. Don't hold your breath waiting too see either one very soon :p
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Verm you putting words in my mouth?? :) I never swore about anything. Anyway you were right and I wa wrong... My manual was for the P-38H/J models not the L model.. So it was wrong
and I said I was wrong just like a said here I was wrong to post this.. I even said in the 1st post I was at odds about posting this.
I really didn't want to piss any body off with this but yall get pissed so easily its not funny. :) And I found what I was looking for I have taken my foot out of my mouth and my head out of my ass.
Cw
PS verm there wer 4 settings in AW and in reall life there was 3
full up maneuver flaps and full down. I never really used the pump the flaps thing when I flew AW.
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Originally posted by BigCrate
but yall get pissed so easily its not funny. :)
Stick around for a year or 2 it gets hilarious :)
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"I have taken my foot out of my mouth and my head out of my ass"
That brought an image into my mind...
Dude, that had to hurt. :D :D :D
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We built some P38's in Australia.. Oh wait, or were they Mosquitoes?
Nevermind.
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CC.... I can't even imagine what he'd look like with his foot in his mouth... which is on his head that is up his ass.
That is a scary image.. human pretzel style.
I bet he is good at exhibitionist autofellatio though.
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this look familier??