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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mathman on February 18, 2002, 10:37:32 AM
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I saw Hart's War last night. It was actually pretty good. I enjoyed it. Bruce Willis was pretty good in it and the story was pretty decent.
Also, before it started, the trailers for "Windtalkers" and "We Were Soldiers" were shown. Both of those look pretty good too (particularly "Windtalkers" - but maybe that is just because they show Hellcats in some of the scenes :))
-math
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harts war was ok, not bad but not on my list of great ones.
saw the trailer for 'we where soldiers' it looks like it might be good. check out some of the shots of mel gibson in helmet and gear, is it just me or does he kinda look like paton
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ZzzZzZzzzz.....
Why do all these new WWII movies, with the exeption of a few, all seem the same to me? Seems to be about putting out a trailer with alot of action and nice special fx to get the audience there. But the movie ends up to be disapointing.
It's kind of like quake type WWII games like DoD/RTCW (pretty much boring) that are designed to basically appeal to the mass audience and make money. But they are uninteresting and insipid. Just like these movies.
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Yeah. The last good WW2 movie I saw was The Thin Red Line. At least it told a story, not another canned & rehashed cliche like Saving Private Ryan used, abused and beat to death. And Peal Harbor.. good god what a POS movie.
I eagerly wait for that Euro movie about Poles in the RAF. If it dont come from Hollywood , it has a good chance of being a great movie.
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thin red line? complete POS worse than pearl harbor
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SPR was some of the best cinematography and use of sound I have ever seen or experienced in any movie. You must have seen it on your 2" casio TAC. The first 20 minutes of that movie is classic beyond description.
And if a small group heroically defending against a larger one is cliche and beaten to death then maybe you ought not go to any "War" movies. I'm trying to think of one where this was not a theme.
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Thin Red Line is on my list as one of the worst movies of all time.
Vanilla Ice's "Cool as Ice" (1991) was more interesting.
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Thats because you never really got Thin Red Line.
You either understand it and love it, or you will hate it utterly.
You cant take it as a war movie. Its a movie about human spirit, it just happens to take place in a war.
If you compare it with 'Cool as Ice' then you got some serious issues :p
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There's a movie out about Poles in the RAF? Sounds good! What is the name of it?
There is a movie about Czech pilots in the RAF called "Dark Blue World"
Cool! Another WWII pilot movie! If it concerns the Poles in the RAF there must be alot of action!
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i found thin red line nothing but a endless string of cameo's. lets see how many stars we can jam into this crapy show with no real story
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Originally posted by Animal
Thats because you never really got Thin Red Line.
You either understand it and love it, or you will hate it utterly.
You cant take it as a war movie. Its a movie about human spirit, it just happens to take place in a war.
If you compare it with 'Cool as Ice' then you got some serious issues :p
Critic Susan Granger Wrote:
Malick's abstract, emotionally detached style just doesn't seem to mesh with the structured urgency of a combat tale. The pace is ponderous, filled with contemplative, philosophical musings about God and nature and the insanity of war. Malick's metaphors are often opaque in meaning and pretentious, if not condescending, as dialogue, like "The closer you are to Caesar, the greater the fear."
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hehe..
maybe since i dont know or care about "celebrities" i was more involved in the real story wich is very hard to grasp.
for the same reasons you disliked that movie, you should also dislike works like Apocalypse Now (wich is very similar but on opposite ends; AN is about horror and the dark part of the soul, TRL is the opposite)
Anyways, hijack, hijack, hijack, Bruce Willis.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Critic Susan Granger Wrote:
Malick's abstract, emotionally detached style just doesn't seem to mesh with the structured urgency of a combat tale. The pace is ponderous, filled with contemplative, philosophical musings about God and nature and the insanity of war. Malick's metaphors are often opaque in meaning and pretentious, if not condescending, as dialogue, like "The closer you are to Caesar, the greater the fear."
hehe, "professional movie critics".. when will i ever care about what they have to say.
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The Thin Red Line had it's moments. Like when that guy (was it woody? i forget) blew is own arse off with a grenade and asks for the soldiers near him to write a letter to his girlfriend/parents, but they didn't know who they were.
I would like to see Dark Blue World soon- it looks good.
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Originally posted by Animal
hehe..
maybe since i dont know or care about "celebrities" i was more involved in the real story wich is very hard to grasp.
Please do tell what the real story was...
I dont think I have ever seen a worse movie. heck Ive enjoyed Pampers commercials more than I enjoyed that movie.
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Steve: "philosophical musings about God and nature and the insanity of war." about sums it right. The best thing is that the movie actually DOESNT talk about "god" as a religious issue but rather "creation" or the "reason for being on earth".
Only the battle scenes of SPR were of any worth. Yes, the D-day part at the start (plus the old guy and the grave scene) were incredible.. but they aint part of the main plot. Ive seen better ww2 story-telling in the old fliks of the TWILIGHT ZONE and COMBAT than that of SPR.
"SPR was some of the best cinematography and use of sound I have ever seen or experienced in any movie"
Thats the equivalent of great graphics and great sound on a pc game. Unfortunately, GAMEPLAY is what makes a game great. Remember OUTPOST vs CIVILIZATION (EGA) ? ;)
Its a matter of opinions anyway, for me SPR was just another hollywood movie made for the enjoyment of the short-attention span masses. You have to see TRLine 3 times to really get it.
Sort of like Stephen King vs Frank Herbert deal hehe.
"There is a movie about Czech pilots in the RAF called "Dark Blue World"
DOH! Thats the one. my bad.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Please do tell what the real story was...
I dont think I have ever seen a worse movie. heck Ive enjoyed Pampers commercials more than I enjoyed that movie.
I would, but after reading your last statement, I wont waste my time.
To each its own. The movie wasnt aimed at everyone, and thats why not everyone likes it.
People tend to hate movies they dont get, so thats why lately almost all movies are made easy.
You barely have to think. SPR is great, I love it, but you dont have to think any more than with 'Joe Dirt' or 'Freddy got Fingered'
I much more prefered the series 'Band of Brothers' (wich has an episode VERY VERY similar to The Thin Red Line, you'd know if you saw it)
BTW my favorite movies this year: K-Pax and Vanilla Sky (and the original "Abre tu Ojos").
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.shreck
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Originally posted by Animal
I would, but after reading your last statement, I wont waste my time.
To each its own. The movie wasnt aimed at everyone, and thats why not everyone likes it.
People tend to hate movies they dont get, so thats why all movies are made easy.
Well, perhaps I was a bit harsh. I have seen the movie 3 times actually (If I pay for cable, I might aswell watch the movies.. right)
But I dont get TRL. The basic idea is ok. To make a personal warmovie, or what you wanna call it. And to some extent, you feel for the guys, especially that guy who spends all his time thinking about his girl back home only to recieve a dear john letter.
BUT they go overboard. When you have 10 minute camera drives around some native village combined with some horrible horrible "music", or when they spend 5 minutes filming some trees trying to capture the light or whatever it just becomes too much.
But please tell me, in case Ive missed some aspect of the movie. Because I thought it was a warmovie made personal, by focusing on the soldiers "insides" or something like that.
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I'm at work, and instead of trying to explain it (wich will make me loose concentration on the idiots I have on the phone) I'll just do a cheap comparison.
Did you see American Beauty? the neiborgh kid, and the stellar part of the flying bag he caught on film? Thats pretty much what TRL is about, but more abstract.
Beauty everywhere, in everything.
You might see it as a flying trash bag in the wind, others see something completly different ;)
This thread gets the BIGGEST HIJACK EVAR!! award.
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Originally posted by Tac
Steve: "philosophical musings about God and nature and the insanity of war." about sums it right. The best thing is that the movie actually DOESNT talk about "god" as a religious issue but rather "creation" or the "reason for being on earth".
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Tac, are you actually saying that the best thing about the movie was that it DOESNT talk about "god" as a religious issue but rather "creation" or the "reason for being on earth"?
wow...
Only the battle scenes of SPR were of any worth. Yes, the D-day part at the start (plus the old guy and the grave scene) were incredible.. but they aint part of the main plot. Ive seen better ww2 story-telling in the old fliks of the TWILIGHT ZONE and COMBAT than that of SPR.
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Yes, but the combination of special effects, scenery and the plot all combined into one of the best movies I have ever seen.. Why?
Because it made me understand.
For a couple of hours in that movie theater I (think I) actually understood how it must have been back then. I could relate. And that is really the highest praise I can give to any movie.
I hope you understand what Im trying to get at here. The strength in SPR is not its plot, nor is it its special effects. But it is the way it relates a feeling. The feeling of being there. Isnt that ultimately what movies are supposed to do? (Im talking about real movies here, not "Nsynch goes to summercamp" or somehting like that).
SPR did this "without trying", while TRL tried and tried, but only came across as some weird quasi-philosophy garbage
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Its a matter of opinions anyway, for me SPR was just another hollywood movie made for the enjoyment of the short-attention span masses. You have to see TRLine 3 times to really get it.
Sort of like Stephen King vs Frank Herbert deal hehe.
Loved Apocolypse Now, hated TRL. "Getting it" wasn't the issue. I got it just fine. The basic problem I found wuth TRL was that it tried to force feed the symbolism too much. I kept thinking "alright already, I get it". SPR was much more visceral, and enjoyable. Some of us don't necessarily have short attention spans, just short on patience for pretentious overly symbolic films.
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"Tac, are you actually saying that the best thing about the movie was that it DOESNT talk about "god" as a religious issue but rather "creation" or the "reason for being on earth"?
wow... "
One of its best points. They did not turn the film into a preaching, single-point of religious view thing (like A. Now.. yuck). It was just one guy's view on things. TRL has great character development and human sentiment, when I compare it to SPR, where its all cliche and hollywood style characters.. well, it just doesnt cut it for me. I like films that explore original points of view, not just copy one and put it under a different skin. SPR was like a venezuelan soap opera. And thats going very, very low in my book hehe.
If you want to see a REALLY original WW2 film, grab a copy of GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES. And watch it with your family.
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AAAHh animal, malparido, me debes un monitor. Tengo jugo de naranja chorreando hasta el teclado.
QUE ASCO. Ouch!!:eek:
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I believe it is sometimes hard to say if a movie is good or bad. That judgement depends on the movie goer himself to decide if he was entertained by it, if he got anything out of it. Its just too subjective.
My personal feeling, the Thin Red Line was not a movie I enjoyed. I did find SPR compelling. I thought "The English Patient" was a great movie.
I loved Apocolypse Now.
To each his own, you are only right regarding how you feel about a movie, not if it is good or bad.
Dago
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I love the Thin Red Line - a really, really great movie.
Getting back on track somewhat... does anyone know what is up with Windtalkers? I swear I first saw a preview last spring that said it would be out in July of 2001, then in the fall of 2001, it said it would be out Nov. 9th, now it is supposed to be out in June. From the articles I've read, it is supposed to be a good movie, so I'm baffled as to why they keep pushing it back.
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Things I look for in a war movie are atention to detail and authenticity. Allthough I think apocolypse now was a good movie, I'm not sure that I would call it a war movie . Some movies that fit my idea of a good war movie are: Big Red One, Platoon, A Bridge too Far, and most recent BlackHawk Down .
The trailor for Hart's War make it look like it will be more of a trial movie than a war movie, although it still looks like it will be good .
The trailor I saw for We were soldiers looked very jingoistic and almost Gumpy, looked like they may have compromised it by making it too emotional ? Oh well, can't be as badly compromised as Pearl Harbor was. Knock on wood .
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Damn Animal...owwww!
Vanilla Sky dude?
I grant you that it had a neat concept, and that the acting was pretty good...but I would sum it up by saying that it was a 2.5 hour movie that could have been done in 45 minutes. Basically I found it to be a really long drawn out "Twilight Zone" episode.
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If you read The Thin Red Line by James Jones it would probably be easier to "get the movie.
I liked the book, was pretty unimpressed with the movie.
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I liked TRL, it was an exceptionally well made, an acted film. Its appeal to the masses is limited i think by it's rather slow narrative, and often convoluted dialouge.
SPR is one of my favourite films. Although a lot has been made of the omaha scenes, the film does eventually become the classic A to B storyline of most war films. It is also an extremely well made film, well acted and with an appealing storyline.
I was extremely impressed with Black Hawk down, loved the "Apocalapse Now" shots of the helicopters over the water/city. I did enjoy the trailer of Harts war, but I'll probably wait for the DVD to see it.
Tronsky
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Thin Red Line? The cerebral movie for people that have to be told what cerebral means. You know those people... the ones that after 2 hours of watching this extremely repetitive movie say out loud "oh.. I get it".
Animal liked it because he thinks he's the only one who "gets it". Nearest I can tell, that's the only reason anyone liked it. Gonna be a real pisser when they find out virtually everyone "got it". Its just that with some.. it didn't take 2 1/2 hours.
AKDejaVu
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Its not about "OH I GET IT!" and sitting there for two hours.
I know what it was about before I entered the theater.
Its about enjoying it. I enjoyed the two hours I watched it, and I enjoy it every time again.
You didnt, and for some reason, it pissed you off.
"The cerebral movie for people that have to be told what cerebral means. You know those people... the ones that after 2 hours of watching this extremely repetitive movie say out loud "oh.. I get it"."
LOL - what a retarded comment, you sure as hell dont know me. And of course you wouldnt enjoy it; always worrying what was the movie made for and for whom and what is the one next to you is saying and blah blah blah.
I still think it is a great movie, I think its a beautiful movie in fact. But then again, I watched a completly different movie than you did.
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Yeah right animal.. a little refresher on what you said bud:
People tend to hate movies they dont get, so thats why lately almost all movies are made easy.
Nope.. you're not pleased you "got it" at all. Uh-uh. Of course, its probably the main reason you feel others didn't like it.
Somethings are just as transparant as TRL was.
AKDejaVu
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With that comment I was talking about people like my stepbrother, who after the movie only said "what language was that on, we should have seen SCREAM II". I was teasing. I dont take other peoples opinions seriously.
Somethings are just as transparant as TRL was.
lol. right.
your undying interest in what others are thinking sure aint.
i find it disturbing, but what the heck, to each his own.
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just to be clear on TRL, i got it, i understood it, i think it sucked, huge peice of crap, first movie in 5 years that i got up and left before it was over
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Sure thing Animal. Its not like you've tried to equate understanding it to liking it.. and not understanding it to hating it... "You either understand it and love it, or you will hate it utterly."
I understood the movie entirely. Your sumation in regards to the floating plastic bag in American Beauty was quite ironic. I found the movie to be just that simple too. I wish TRL'd only taken 1 minute to do it like American Beauty did.
It wasn't deep. It wasn't insightful. It was made by someone trying to impress the world with just how deep and insightfull he thought himself to be.
Sorry... but that is how many who did understand the movie will forever see it.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
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AKDejaVu
maybe you are right, so i should stop liking it. i was wrong.
i have a lot of hair bunched around my nipples.
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Originally posted by Animal
i have a lot of hair bunched around my nipples.
I'm pretty sure that this must be an obscure and deeply meaningful quote from Thin Red Line. Didn't that dead Japanese soldier say this?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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maybe you are right, so i should stop liking it. i was wrong.
I'm not trying to say you shouldn't like the movie. I'm trying to say a) I didn't like it and b) "getting it" has nothing to do with that. You'd be much less defensive about this movie if you'd stop trying to hold onto the believe that everyone that hated it just didn't get it.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Animal
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AHHA! I detect an unconcious desire to visit (and spell) Amsterdam.
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Maybe a Freudan slip Swoop.
That place just calls for me unconsciously.. like those salmon who have to go lay eggs.
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TRL, great book. The movie tho was to war films what Krull was to Science Fiction.