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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dingy on February 19, 2002, 09:26:05 AM
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I'll keep this short and sweet.... :)
These are what I've come to dislike in the arena but I have no solutions.
1. Rooks are always outnumbered when Im on.
Just last Sunday there were 135 Bish, 140 Nits and 70 rooks. As we got pressed further into a corner decreasing our options, our numbers dropped to 50.
Would love to see more squads shift to rooks to level out numbers andmake the fites more interesting.
2. People whining on ch 1 about how AH sucks and that xxxx was such a better game.
SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE??? Go make a game that appeals to you or find one that does. Dont take your can't fly, cant shoot, what do you do attitude and hike it out of here. Might increase the available bandwidth on these servers for those of us who do enjoy it :)
-Ding
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1. No one gets kills without RED cons.
2. No one can kill reds unless they they are abundant enough to find, engage and kill.
3. No one gets gangbanged unless they chose to up where dar says there are many gangbanging cons. (If dar is down, the new 3D sounds and tower view clues you in. Don't dispair at least you found a reason to fly a Hurricane with cannons.)
Whining on channel 1 is OK. It goes away with the moment, but whining here about whining on channel 1 could haunt you for years.
Especially if you back it up with the old standby- "if you don't like it, go make your own game. More bandwidth for me." Which of course is self defeating in the HTC Rah rah bish boom bah promotional cheer.
The people that can't shoot and squeak are a main attraction of the game. "Kills" I call em. They are squeaking and if they weren't they wouldn't be interested. Then something would be wrong. They are frustrated usually, but they'll learn, and talk less in most cases.
Now what's your excuse?
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Hmmm hate to say it but I agree with Creamo... I fly rook and love being outnumbered... it never takes long to find a fight, always plenty of targets around. If you can't deal with getting ganged, up from a field away from the front and get to 30k before engaging like all the 38 dweebs do. :p
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My complaint with numbers isnt a whine on gangbanging. Gangbanging occurs just as easily with equal numbers on each side as it does with inordinate numbers like I outlined earlier. This wasnt so much of a whine as it was a request to see if there are any squads that might want to help out a struggling country :)
Regarding the AH whiners....now thats a whine. I love what Hitech and Pyro have done especially since I've been here since day 1 of open beta. I gave up AW at the time for AH since I enjoyed it quite a bit more. Its my sheer appreciation for what HTC has done with the game that I base my opinions. If they want to bash the game online, I'll express my feeling as such.
Granted there are only a small minority who feel they need to trash the game but its a percentage we can do without. Ok I can do without :)
-Ding
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The majority of AH players are just too gutless to join the weakest side even if they see a huge imbalance.
They can't survive unless they gangbang - so they fly the populated countries.
What really makes me puke is when they make patronising and arrogant remarks to the ones that complain for the retardedly unfair numbers.
I've stoped playing AH since I don't find it fun to be banged every time I log on.. I think last week I played max 10 hours if not less.. And 80% of those hours we were facing 2:1 or worse odds.
Still have my account.. not sure why though. In retrospect H2H was more fun.
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"I've stoped playing AH since I don't find it fun to be banged every time I log on.."
Well, at least you're not too gutless to join the weakest side. Better not to play at all, than to find a way to have fun.
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=213&referrerid=3203
Last post in thread. :D
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Dingy:
While Rooks are outnumbered at times doesn't mean it happens all of the time. If, when you log on it seems this way to you, I would suggest that you vary the days and times that you fly, you will prolly see a difference.
Also, in this sim/game, the side with fewer numbers tends to always get hammered. From where I sit, it seems that Rooks, regardless of numbers are always the preferred target of the other two countries. For me, I am accustomed to this from another sim I flew :) It does mean more targets and always gives Rooks something to work towards; furballing can get boring if there is no other point than that.
I don't agree that other squads should switch over to even out sides. If this were the CT or there were conditions like there were in another sim I flew in, I could see doing this but, IMO, its not necessary; number advantage changes like the wind in the MA.
Whining abounds among some in this sim/game; it isn't going to change; not here on the BBs or in the arena. If it's in the arena you can squelch the channel or the person. Many have advised those with problems flying, to get some training but, they don't seem to want to. This isn't a game where one can just log on and have fun killing things. As you know, you die more than anything else until you learn how to fly and fight.
BTw, I for one do not take your post as whining at all. As you can tell, everyone in here has an opinion about something ;)
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I also notice Rooks tend to be outnumbered most times I'm on.
However I also notice that even with fewer numbers, Rooks still do alright for themselves. Perhaps it's because Adversity breeds innovation, and Rooks have evolved into better pilots :p
The few occasions Rooks happen to have superior numbers, they really boom across the map.
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Rooks were outnumbered last night but we took about 6 bases. I think we had like 31 bases and we were outnumbered by both sides most of the time. There was a lot of teamwork.
Sometimes if we are really getting hammered and when it may not be fun to fly in such conditions if not in the mood, it's good to go to the CA. I also go to the TA and offer help. That can be very rewarding and is a good review of one's own skills.
Regards,
Rogue out
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Originally posted by Don
I don't agree that other squads should switch over to even out sides. If this were the CT or there were conditions like there were in another sim I flew in, I could see doing this but, IMO, its not necessary; number advantage changes like the wind in the MA.
Really....go back to the link in Rips post and check out Camo's initial post. That dates back to June of last year. If numbers change like the wind, looks like el nino is here to stay :)
And regarding whiners on ch 1, I prefer to push their buttons in public. Gives me a little sense of satisfaction in an arena that is so difficult to survive in as a rook. Yes...very petty of my but Im currently undergoing treatment! LOL!
-Ding
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The majority of AH players are just too gutless to join the weakest side even if they see a huge imbalance.
Has it ever occured to you that some of us do not care to change countries, especially change just to bring parity to the arena?
I've been a Bishop since day one of the beta and intend to stay Bishop til the Good Lord takes me away.
I would suggest you simply accept the nature of this sim (which, btw, will change regarding numbers just like it always has) or, go find something else to do. You sound like a Socialist to me...everyone else needs to seek my level so I can feel good about where I am kinda thing...sheesh!!!
Someone needs to start a "The Most Stupid Statement of the Week thingie!
Signed,
Gutless
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Rude, you don't have a clue about the idea behind socialism. You're stupid. You define things that you don't understand as socialist or communist like a typical american biggot. No offence to all the cool (and smart) ones.
If you were smarter, you'd realize this has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with a balanced arena, equal opportunities and equal fun to players. We all pay equal money for the game, too. Dollars ($$$) <-- money :eek:
If you're a dedicated bishop pilot, so be it. War doesn't miss one player (you.)
However we do see fluctuation in the arena during the days, with people clearly travelling to the biggest country when the situation starts to degrade. Because of those people (whom I call the real gutless) the defending party loses it's stand even more. Those players could choose to balance the arena instead of joining the easy gangbang.
The fun multiplier is optimum when the sides are somewhat equal because:
a) Being gangbanged is not fun, gets boring very fast. Being gangbanged sometimes is ok, constantly not. During certain timezones certain countries are regularly beaten to death.
b) Gangbanging is initially fun, but as it gets constant it gets boring because it requires no skill nor effort. Just chasing the few enemies and mostly looking at your teammates beat you to it. To some dedicated milkrunners this is heaven though.
c) A fight with equal numbers is the only kind of fight that really takes pilot skill into equation, leaving the best pilot in the air. At disadvantage even the best will fall - if they make the mistake to engage in such a situation. They can choose not to engage - again boring and could aswell stay off the game.
d) I used to fly bishops & knights untill I noticed rooks were constantly gangbanged (at my timezone). I joined the team to help them. My marxian-socialist-Stalins-buttkissing upbringing includes a thing called fair play. I took it as a challenge but now it starts to get boring - mainly because too many are not following my example and the imbalance continues.
e) I'm trying to do my part in making this game fun for more people mainly by trying to convince people out of the gangbanging 'turn in the bucket' cycle of revenge that's going on in the main. It's futile and unnecessary.
But you probably won't understand any of this. Another act of futility. But you know, us commies we stoopeed da da. Haraso.
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I can only recall a few times...all recently...where the rooks are outnumbered. Usually the niggits are the lowest # in the MA. I've been flying more and more in the CT but historically the #'s stay pretty even. I switched to knight when I signed back up since it was always the lowest total back then... next month someone else will be on short end of the number equation.
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Humble that is exactly the phenomena I was describing (timezones, turn in the bucket..) I understand fully what you experience since I play sometimes at night too.
And those that were left wondering of above, yes the crack was tasty :p
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what Mrsid2 said in his post re gangbangs, regardless of the arena.
;)
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Originally posted by Dingy
I'll keep this short and sweet.... :)
These are what I've come to dislike in the arena but I have no solutions.
1. Rooks are always outnumbered when Im on.
2. People whining on ch 1 about how AH sucks and that xxxx was such a better game.
1) Be happy, you have more targets to shoot at! :D
Actually to have numbers is not that funny anyway... You fly to combat only to find 1 red con already being engaged by 5 greens, oh well...
2) .squelch 1 :cool:
oh well... ;)
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Very well put MrSid. That was exactly what I was trying to say :)
In response to MadBirdz...not only does
More Enemy = More Targets to shoot at
but as a corollary:
More Enemy = More Planes Trying to Shoot Ya Down.
Sometimes going against outrageous numbers can be fun but all the time?
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Originally posted by Dingy
Sometimes going against outrageous numbers can be fun but all the time?
ahhhh, it's ok to whine on the boards about this in hopes people would "wake up" and stop being so dweeby, but not on ch1? :rolleyes:
kind of moot when 80%+ of the player base doesn't really care squat about what's on the boards - or might not even know about them.
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It's really funny reading these posts about the how one country has more numbers than the rest or how two countries always team up on the third. I've been reading whines like this for 8 years now and it's amazing how they still make me laugh. Basically the numbers whine...err argument is like that of the 'Perk the Niki/La7/Spit' whine...err argument.
If someone wants to fly for the Bishops/Knights/Rooks and they happen to have the most numbers, so what? When my squad moved over here to Aces High, we started out as Knights and made Knightland our new home. Not because we have the most pilots but because most of our friends in other squadrons from that 'other' game fly for the Knights as well and we have FUN flying with our friends.
So until one of ewe whiners start ponying up $15 bucks a month to pay for my account, please don't tell me where or for whom or what to fly.
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Ack-Ack
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KNIGHTS
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You have the option to play as you like akak.
The question is whether the players make smart decisions or not..
In my opinnion when the sides are hugely out of balance, the only smart decision is to even up the sides..
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Originally posted by mrsid2
In my opinnion when the sides are hugely out of balance, the only smart decision is to even up the sides..
Yea...and it sUXXoRs too :D How smart is a decission to switch sides only to find yourself fighting against your own squad since you can't switch back for 24 hours or whatever it is. No thanks, usualy the lopsided numbers ballance out with time but not on a timetable. 4-5 months ago it was the Bishies in the hole on a regular basis, lots of whines but in the end it really was no big deal. So, if you see that the Rooks are in the hole number wise, that's just the way it is, log on 6 hours from that time and most likely you'll see the ballance shift. Now suck it up! I heard an old WWII vet put the Pearl Harbor attack in perspective this way...
"An old Cival War General used to say" "You attack them when they're not lookin' and with the mostest men, that's how you win a battle."
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Nice try MrLars, but since we have the 3 country system you can always choose to fight the other hostile country instead of your squaddies. That's what I do. When I play at night and say, knights are being banged, I can join them and fight the bish.
The squad loyalty is a big issue in this though.. I rejected many requests to join squads that would have forced me to fly a certain country all the time.
I've been flying as a paid customer since tour 19 and during all those months (at my timezone) the rooks have been 'in the hole.'
That means I've sucked it up for quite a long time, now I just can't stand to watch anymore. I have to do something, protest, bite.. walk or talk.
You don't have to share my views MrLars. But I'm trying to make more players think about the possible benefits of making the play more fair at times of imbalance.
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why switch????
target-rich-environment.
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Never been an issue with me. Sometimes the bish are getting squeezed, sometimes they are squeezers. However, I absolutely loath nits (ie dweebs) and rooks (ie ie dweebs) so its an easy decision for me.
Long live the BISH!
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It's never been the issue for you because you haven't flown rooks. Bish and nits have it so easy that they have no reason to complain, obviously.
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Originally posted by mrsid2
It's never been the issue for you because you haven't flown rooks. Bish and nits have it so easy that they have no reason to complain, obviously.
I'm willing to bet $100 bucks that if HiTech was to foolishly implement some of your ideas, you'd still bleet like a sheered ewe.
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Ack-Ack
479th Fighter Group - Riddle's Raiders
KNIGHTS
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The dog welps where the cain hits..
Besides, I'm not asking HT to do anything. Just the players to use their brain.
Of course fair fights would make many of you skeerd wouldn't they?
So easy to hide behind numbers..
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I have been there.... I have flown for Knight and for Rooks... And I was desperate... It were not numbers that made me and my squaddies to regret the country change only few hours after the switch, no... Not at all. Somehow it was the, well... I would use the term 'mentality' of those nations (no offensive meaning of the word intended). Flying for those countries was from our point of view pure chaos, almost no organization nor cooperation... We were always happy to be Bishops again and we wont do any country changes probably ever again (In the MA).
And btw, stop whining... Because when we were fighting for 'your' sides we surprisingly found out that Bishops are the most easy targets around... So where is the problem? :D
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Doubt it will ever change Dingy...
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Dingy....I hear ya and agree with ya.
What I don't agree with is the offered solution to have others change countries so that all will be fair...and then to insult anyone who doesn't follow that same mindset.
As an American Biggot, I seem to remember the same whiney behavior by those populating grade school playgrounds. And to imply that only the Rooks have been in the barrell since tour 19 is really a treasure.
Oh, and btw, I refered to socialism as put forth by your little idea of changing countries when things get tough by the following definition....
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
To have expressed your feelings as a Rook is certainly your right and might have solicited some empathy by yours truly...but to insult others by calling their choices guttless and then demanding like a child that all should play your way, is at best amusing and is most definetly nothing new within this genre.
Ya see, this is how it works here in America....if somethin gets tough or becomes unpleasant, we all strap on our six-shooters and go kill it...perhaps if you took advantage of your Rook plight and used your time online improving you skills, you might enjoy yourself more often? Just a thought.
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Rude so by your definition, immigration is socialism?
What does property have to do with changing countries?
A country in this game is identity not property.
It seems this discussion is a waste of time.
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Originally posted by mrsid2
It seems this discussion is a waste of time.
Ah, so we agree that this is the TYPICAL BBS discussion from the first post to this of mine?
Good!
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>>Very well put MrSid. That was exactly what I was trying to say<<
Separated by a common language? I believe this is what I was getting at also but, you seem to have disagreed with me :)
It is true though, it depends what time a person logs on to fly. Hehe, I still think (purely subjective) Rooks are the choice of the day, every day, for Kinigits and Bishits :) They all want us...'they hate us cause we are beautiful' :D
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Originally posted by Dingy
I'll keep this short and sweet.... :)
These are what I've come to dislike in the arena but I have no solutions.
1. Rooks are always outnumbered when Im on.
Just last Sunday there were 135 Bish, 140 Nits and 70 rooks. As we got pressed further into a corner decreasing our options, our numbers dropped to 50.-Ding
Dingy, I don't know when you fly, the numbers peak somewhere around 8-10 p.m. CST. I tracked the population count for two weeks (when I logged in and logged out) and the Bishop had the lowest count 13 nights out of 14.
I have noticed the Bishop frequently have a small numbers lead during the afternoons. Perhaps the majority of Europeans are BIshop? And yes, the Knights frequently outnumber everyone.
The AKs no longer rotate countries (we fly Bishop only) and one of the contributing reasons was low Bishop numbers. Hey, it's great! You always have targets. :)
curly
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Originally posted by Rude
What I don't agree with is the offered solution to have others change countries so that all will be fair...and then to insult anyone who doesn't follow that same mindset.
To have expressed your feelings as a Rook is certainly your right and might have solicited some empathy by yours truly...but to insult others by calling their choices guttless and then demanding like a child that all should play your way, is at best amusing and is most definetly nothing new within this genre.
WHOA WHOA WHOA there Rude. When did I ever insult anyone because they disagreed with me???? There was not one thing that I recall I said where I insulted anyone. :(
Hopefully, you were talking about someone else. I stand by my words tho regarding numbers in the arena. 89 nit, 75 Bish, 50 rook. Seems like it did last week, and the week before that, and the week before that week...and on..and on...:rolleyes:
-Ding
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Ding....
Not you....the other guy:)
And for him....it was not my definition, but that of Websters.
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Rude you have to understand the definition in order to make use of it.
What goes with namecalling, read back a little and see the part where you started the slandering with the socialist referral.
It was not me that started it.
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Know what this post looks like?
"WE'RE BEING GANGED UP ON..WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
:rolleyes:
Dingy - most of us will just log if we are down to just a few airports. It's hard to play when a few fields are left and you got enemy all over the place. So the 60vs120vs20 is just what it is...guys who will log and wait for a map reset.
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Dem's fighten words!
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Vruth thats not the truth, the situation is steady like that (at this timezone <-- stress the TIMEZONE.)
Just now its 83:72:58 and it gets usually more even in about 6-7 hours from now when its 1am here.
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Calling folks guttless is not name callin eh?
I do understand this much...my definition as used applies...it's not my concern you do not understand it.
One thing that will never change, and all of the older players know this to be true...there will always be someone like you tryin to tell everyone how to play this sim....it gets old, just like replying to your posts.
I'm done.
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