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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on July 01, 2000, 04:16:00 PM
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P-47D-25 in FAB (Brazilian) markings.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/fabp47.jpg)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"I say old boy, why don't you shut up and die like a man?"
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Thats pretty, but is that some new ord hanging off the bottom. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Lake City
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Nice! Brazilians should be happy after this one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Thanks for the Fw 190A-5 HTC!
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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Is there much performance difference between the 25 and the 30?
This looks stellar... I'm hoping that you are waiting on this planes completion so you can include it in the next 1.03 patch (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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The P-47D-30 we have now matches D-25 data..the D-30 got 300HP more when using WEP.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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Ooops...almost forgot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)..
The D-25 above does look nice, though!
The tubes under the wing are tube-launched rockets.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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WOW awsome Pyro (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I'm not brazilian but I'm sure they will love it. Now if I recall good, they promized you to increase your 'Brezilian marquet' if a brazilian P47 was done (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Daff,
I'm pretty sure the D-30 has 2600 hp, the WEP makes a BIG difference! Perhaps the data doesn't match for a HS prop?
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Nice!!!
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That could be it, Wells, but with WEP it still matches the D-25 data.
Also..at that time, the Curtiss prop was also a paddle-bladed prop similar to the HS.
Either way, it should perform a tad better than it does.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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A P-47C Razorback can't be all that hard to make from that Beauty! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (hint, hint)
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Could make a P-47D razorback too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just noticed the FAB Jug has no dorsal fillet, cool. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Did the Brazilian Jugs actually wear these markings in WW2 or were they marked as USAAF?
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 07-01-2000).]
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so am i gettin this right the 47 d30 ( the one we have is not correct? as in its to slow ? i dont know but am curious to see if this is true as i dont have the figures my books dont metion any change in hp just that 25 s had a bigger fuel tank and 30s had a small dorsal fin forward extention of the fixed one.
there was a 47 d 22 low and med alt that sounds interesting with a different prop.
anyone tested?
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I hate to be the "non butt kisser" in the group... But those marking are butt ugly! who would want to fly a P47 with markings from a country in South America!!! Geezzz
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You'd think a guy with a historical name would know some P-47 history...
A Brazilian unit flew the P-47 with the USAAF in the Med. theater during WW2.
Who would want to fly it? Probably Brazilians.
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Or those of us who don't want to be so `visible' when we are OTD JABO'ing...those silver birds stick out like a sore thumb! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
And...umm..yeah, a Razorback shouldn't be too tough, right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://www.devildogs.com/vmf111/sdsig2.gif)
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The same with 56th late war markings, and I will feel like th king of the world (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
We getting close, I smell it, we getting close.
BTW, I will fly this one simply because I don't like the other one painting, it will give me the opportunity to salute Brezilians too. They asked for it to Pyro, they got it, I salute that, so I will fly it.
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Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/brb.gif)
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 07-02-2000).]
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Fantastic! Love it! 350th FG in Italy is the theatre they flew in.
-Westy
(Zemke. Open your eyes..... and your mind)
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Originally posted by funked:
You'd think a guy with a historical name would know some P-47 history...
A Brazilian unit flew the P-47 with the USAAF in the Med. theater during WW2.
what does history have to do with it??? Did I say no Brazilian P47's saw action in ww2? No I didn't......... I just like Big Bold Beautiful US Marking on my Jug, Not some Ungly Olive Green with some Big White letters on the Cowling (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
All the Beautiful 8th and 9th and other AF markings and we get Brazil? hehe Maybe they should hire some more Graphics guys and give us mutiple markings to choose from (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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OK Zemke good answer. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Don't worry, there are still Razorback, M, and N Jugs to be done. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I want my Gabby's P47 with a 360 view canopy. After, you can paint the rest of them pink with Lybian markings, i don't care (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
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[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 07-02-2000).]
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Guys,m
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Guys,
First of all... Thank you very much Pyro, I'm just delighted. I'm sure it will increase your market share in here. Congratulations for the wonderful paint job.
For those that don't know the brazilian jug... Brazil flew from tarquinia in Italy and acomplished a great job on ground attack missions. For instance, it was only 5% of the force in the theater and had more than 85% of the bridges destroied.
Besides a RAF unit, Brazilian Squadron was the only other unit to get the US Presidential Citation. I think it deseve some respect also. Of course I understand the fellows in 56th Fighter group and all 8th Air Force, but I'm real happy for this.
Congratulations!
sydy
Sydney Rodrigues
Jambock Squadron
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sydy - Sydney Rodrigues
JAMBOCK - Senta a Pua!
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Just to echo Sydy's sentiments, here are a few pics of FAB Jugs from Italy during WW2.
(http://www.mat.ufrgs.br/~rudnei/FAB/imagens/tarq.jpg)
- At Tarquinia.
(http://www.mat.ufrgs.br/~rudnei/FAB/imagens/p-47a4.jpg)
- P-47D-25-RE 4106 'A4', 1st Brazilian Fighter Squadron,
Italy 1944-1945
(http://www.mat.ufrgs.br/~rudnei/FAB/imagens/perfis/p-47/p-47d5.gif)
- P-47D-25 'D5', Green Flight, piloted by
2º Ten.-Av. José Meira Rebello de Vasconcelos (95 missions)
All of these images come from a great site on the history of the Brazilian Air Force at: http://www.mat.ufrgs.br/~rudnei/FAB/eng/toc.html (http://www.mat.ufrgs.br/~rudnei/FAB/eng/toc.html)
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Lt Col Dune
X.O. 352nd Fighter Group (http://www.352ndfightergroup.com)
"The Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney"
"Credo quia absurdum est." (I believe it because it is unreasonable)
- The motto of the Republic of Baja Arizona
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Thanks Dune. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now I wonder if the final version will have Jambock nose art?
(http://www.mat.ufrgs.br/~rudnei/FAB/imagens/puaorig.gif)
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Well, being half Brazilian, and since I already fly the P47D-30, I guess I have found my new plane! Looks pretty cool, I must say.
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Batman
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"Soylent Green is People!"
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very nice. a great salute to our friends to the South who also flew with us in Italy. I read about them a few years back in the mag Aviation History. I believe the Mexicans also had a Jug unit in Italy(i think).
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Yes, Mexico's Escuadrón 201 also flew the P-47 in WW2. I've got some information on them here (http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~sanchezc/201). They were originally destined for the European theatre, but they ended up going to the Philippines instead, where they flew many successful air-ground missions in the last few months of the war.
I'm glad to see the Brazilians getting their bird modeled in AH. My hope is that a future version of AH will support completely customizable paint schemes, or at least different choosable schemes for each aircraft, so that every historical squadron with a virtual counterpart is represented.
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What can I say? AWESOME!!
And the d4 was exactly my first designation in Jambock Squadron in WB. Well, I think my credit card is goind to suffer a little more with an Aces High account! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Thanks Sanco for the info on the Mexican Squadran. I had read about them also in Aviation History magizine a couple years ago.
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I grew up in Brasil (spells with an "s") and it is really nice to see them get a plane painted representing a fine combat outfit. I am a 47 dweeb anyway and it will be grand to be able to fly a version that has some personal history involved in it. No, I never flew in WWII, but the association to a country I called home for 16 years is more than enough for me.
Now, if I can get my two youngest brothers that were born down there to fly AH...:-)
MarkAT
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Andres and Fradim of the MOL are gonna love this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye
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oh, yes, we are :-)
In fact, there is little time I had the pleasure to know a P47 closely... There is one in an aeronautical museum in Rio de Janeiro, recuperated and in flight conditions. It is I could really see as that airplane it is big!
There is another that is maintained in a square in Curitiba city...
In my city (Juiz de Fora) there was an aerial demonstration and they were exposing a motor Wright Cyclone R2800... Boys, the cylinders seem pots!
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Marco Andre Abramo Vieira
Juiz de Fora, MG - Brasil
abramo@artnet.com.br www.najack.com.br (http://www.najack.com.br)
UIN 1763541
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Yes, pops, I do love this and I'll feel really honoured to have the oportunity to fly this bird :,-)
Thank you, pyro! I think it's a great step to make Aces High look even more international and I'm sure that brazilian community in wwii sims - which is one of the largest outside USA - will recognize it ;-)
fradim
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Hey Pyro,
We are all very happy with this! Personaly I cant wait to fly it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I do hope all brazilian comunity give up that wb videogame and come here to AH fligth sim!
Thank you for this. Is very nice of you.
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Andre(S)
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Very cool!
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its great if only for the fact that it will make more people aware that brazil was involved in the european theatre. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I have always read about british and american and german involvement and had never known about the brazilian squadron.
'Lest we forget'?
well we wont forget them now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
pyro
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'Lest we forget'?
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Well,
I'm realy glad to see all those brazilians in here... WE have at least 4 Jugs in Brazil. 2 in the Brazilian Air & Space Museum (Museu Aeroespacial), in Rio, 1 in a fighter base in Santa Cruz, pretty close to Rio and the other in a monument in Curitiba.
One of those in the MUSAL is in flying condition and I got inside it already... I can say I pressed a real WEP button!
Thank you al!! SALUTE!!!
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sydy - Sydney Rodrigues
JAMBOCK - Senta a Pua!
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Nice, very nice, brought tears to my eyes...
Can't wait to fly this plane.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cognac (hic)
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THIS is what its all about.The passion I feel for WW2 ac is obviously not uniquely my own...and it makes me wonder (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Originally posted by Cognac:
Nice, very nice, brought tears to my eyes...
Can't wait to fly this plane.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cognac (hic)
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There is a good write up on this squad in the Wings of Fame Volume #16. Has some great pictures and info on the guys, pretty good stuff. Even a picture of the plane pyro has modelled. The one in the book has the squad badge and what looks like mission symbols along the side, like the photo Dune posted.
Dunno if its been posted yet:
One of the original aircraft handed over on 28October44 and flown by Rui Moreira Lima, who flew 94 combat missions with the 1st BFG.
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Dnil
JG-2
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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Cognac you are sure it was not the fumes of your drink causing the tears? *hic*
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Zemke, I REALY don't think that you should say that. It's probably one of the most non-sence thing I've ever heard. I'm Proud to say that I'm one that will fly that "south-american" marked P-47. 'Cos I'm from that "south-american" country, and above all, because I know something (that you probably don't), That's called HISTORY. And if you want to take those books from under your bed and read them a little, you will see that, the "south-american" country fought the same war, at the same side of yours. And bleeded as much blood as yours. As RED as "your", so I ask you to PLEASE, THINK before talk or write those silly things.
Sorry all for that but I couldn't just read and let go! And sorry for my bad english too!! :-)
BTW, That Thunderbolt is wonderfull!!
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-kaba-
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OR maybe YOU should leave?
Players whith no respect from others from another places, shouldn't have to play an open game. Just those done for you and others like you, that think you're in the top of the human race. Don't you think?
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I like it. Keep up the good work guys.
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Looks like a cartoon. Appropriate. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now go look at the planes of WB3, now thats some good artwork!
Cartoon. yep. Perfect for kiddie video game. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
edit addendum:
BTW, what are those squares on the landscape?
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LOL MG Easymode in WB - now there's redundancy. Who's playing the kiddie game again?
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No really. Is that not a cartoon-y lookin' thang? The detail, well, isn't. and it looks like a cartoon, I swear to God, it just looks, well, drab.
And those patterns on the ground. I see the same pattern of trees everywhar down there. The squares on the mountains are a bit unrealistic to say the least.
Can't these guys do anythang innovative for a change instead of a rehash of the ol' samo? I think they're stuck in a MultiGen rut, ya think?
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Funked you should really pity him if he's that shallow that he will ignore the limited FM and zero strat of WB and drool over pretty pictures..after all thats just what they are..pictures, or have they got WBIII yet? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Perhaps we should also spare a thought for the poor souls cursed with a MAC (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Yep, Revvin, been cursed with my Mac since before you knew what a computer was. And Billy never swayed me, maybe you, but not me.
Anyway, back on topic ...
The plane looks like a cartoon. Nothing innovative about it. Seeing screens of WBIII and WWIIOL and makes me wonder, well, it's gotta be the price, just hasta be. Serious sim-jocks wouldn't be thrilled with this cartoon-y lookin' stuff, especially when they're seeing the possibilities that are around the corner.
Sorry to say, but you're sim is outdated, already. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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OK Crackboy, wake me when it's released. It only took them one year to go from the '99 Con WB 3 demo to the '00 Con WB 3 demo. Hell they might even be able to get it released before iEN folds or cuts the dead weight of Littman et al. And then what do you have? WB 2 with eye candy.
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What a troll Macboy.
I'll bite then.
You mean WBIII where the Spitfire's prop is about half the diameter that it should be? I know the wee little thing looks kinda cute, but don't ya think a bit more blade would be required to move the kite?
Oh, and get a real computer. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Sisu
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Karnak,
Thats it? hmmm okay Guess ya blew me outa the water with that one. heh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Now go look at the planes of WB3, now thats some good artwork!
ROTFL!
Sorry,but you truly are an idiot MG,look at the FW-190,theres at least 3 things wrong with it at a glance-not to mention the other flawed models they`re producing. The terrain looks like something you see in the toilet before you flush.
Strat? Doesn`t have any-and IMO never will by looking at iEN`s financial reports,buy a PC and play AH or shut the f**k up and go back to the polluted sandbox known as AGW-your not welcome here.
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Nice work PYRO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm very happy for our Braz friends (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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SWEET!!
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Ahhh. The poster boy for the dangers of lead paint is back.
MG, you are a good example in that not only do some things indeed cost more for no apparant reason but due to the total lack of class on your part (and several others from your community) you also show how paying more actually buys you less. I, for one, see your ranting and raving here and elsewhere only as a sign of your frustration with the current obsolete WB's and also the realisation that WB III isn't going to be all it was cracked up to.
That's the way the dice fell for you..I guess you could say it sucks to be you right now, huh?
Last note: Ironically you're doing more damage to WB's, via these assinine posts, than anything else I've seen.
-Westy
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Its really nice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But, I am wondering, whats so special with the Razorback version, versus the normal P47 ?
I mean, there got to be some difference since there is so many who requests it.
Just wondering (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
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Macboy said:
BTW, what are those squares on the landscape
Could you please post a picture from your last flight in WB, taken by you ?
Just to check if I can spot any squares on the ground in `your` sim (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
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[This message has been edited by lasse (edited 07-05-2000).]
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Ok.....Im from WB's and am looking to fly AH too.
MacBoy......go take a flyin leap ya little turd. You are the reason that there is bad relations between AH and WB. So i'll take the initative for the WB crowd and tell ya to drop it
Try saying what you want about me.........but when little KIDS say something about me.....it doesn't effect.
Sorry Pyro about the tangent here.....Very nice looking plane. Can't wait to try her (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
WTFG HiTech Creations (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sam