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Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: whels on February 21, 2002, 11:38:48 AM

this little bomber interceptor could carry up to
6 37mm cannons whew! but preformance never
got to what they wanted, and was never put
into production.


(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p67-2.jpg)

(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p67-1.jpg)

whels

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Tac on February 21, 2002, 03:56:09 PM

*drowns in drool*

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: eddiek on February 21, 2002, 04:16:47 PM

IIRC, it suffered an early death from an engine fire, similiar to the beloved and heretofore, pretty much unheard of He177.
I had a book full of those odd prototypes.  The P-67 Moonbat and the Northrop XP-56 Black Bullet were my favorite two prototypes......err........th e Northrop XP-79 flying wing jet fighter, it was way too cool, too.  Then I read the method of attack, and went YIKES!
People either forget or never know that the US had some pretty wicked planes on the drawing boards, they just never needed them, as they were kicking Axis bellybutton with what they had on hand.

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: funkedup on February 21, 2002, 04:39:01 PM

The Bat had some really crappy experimental Continental engines.  If they had put a couple of those water injected Merlins from the P-51H in there...  wow!

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Wilbus on February 21, 2002, 04:59:31 PM

Had it entered service the enemies had surrendered because they had felt sorry for USA. Ugly!

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Reschke on February 21, 2002, 05:05:16 PM

French Government calling US government:

French:
"That P-67 is the most ugly plane we have ever seen."

US:
"It has 37mm cannons."

French:
"WE SURRENDER!"

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Pongo on February 21, 2002, 05:35:17 PM

Thats the problem with Americans, no sense of moderation, At a time when they were the laughing stock of the air combat world for insisting on using 50 cals even up into Korea, they are putting 6 37mm on an interceptor and designing onother to ram...What are they intending to intercept with 6 37mm...the death star?

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Tac on February 21, 2002, 08:12:49 PM

at high altitude fights pongo, a single pass is what most interceptors will have at a target. 6 37mm's assured its death if one hit.

I'd take one over a 3000rnds of 50 cal ammo. Even if those 6 37mm's only had 20 rnds each =)

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Wilbus on February 22, 2002, 03:59:38 AM

I have that plane in my "American warplanes book"together with most other prototypes, had some pretty interesting designs there, not all good, but interesting, and many quite ugly :)

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: batdog on February 22, 2002, 08:49:43 AM

Hey...who's saying Bats are ugly? We've feeeeeelllllllings too.


xBAT

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Ossie on February 22, 2002, 05:32:24 PM

Sorry but imho that is a sa-wheet looking airplane! Not as cool as the F7F, but still has kind of a "I just want to fly around and be cool, but I'll rip your face off if I have to" look.
Not sure how big it really was, but it doesn't look like there'd be much room for six 37mm, let alone any considerable amount of ammo (the recoil would probably have sucked). Where were the guns supposed to be placed?

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Red Tail 444 on February 22, 2002, 06:00:07 PM

Kinda reminds me of an SR-71 Blackbird w/ props :)

6x37MM? Ouch :)

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: hazed- on February 22, 2002, 08:46:48 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Tac
*drowns in drool*

tac i told you not to fly with that damn st.Bernard hound in that tiny p38 cockpit. those beasts slobber ALL the time!! :D

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Tac on February 22, 2002, 09:17:05 PM

st bernard? Thats MOLLY. My sheepstress. Now git!

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: Vruth on February 22, 2002, 11:34:53 PM

Here are some more pics from http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/fighter/p67/p67_en.htm (http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/fighter/p67/p67_en.htm)

(http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/fighter/p67/xp67.jpg) (http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/fighter/p67/xp67_front.jpg) (http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/fighter/p67/xp67taxi.jpg)

Title: P67 Bat, good look plane
Post by: M.C.202 on February 23, 2002, 01:46:56 AM

Two big prpblems with the design:

1. The engines were underpowered at a claimed 1,350 hp each (and did not deliver that much) for the weight of the aircraft. Now if it had 2,300 hp Griffon 89's with counter rotating props:eek:
There was some talk of adapting the plane to turbojet/jet power, but nothing came of it. (or so I read)

2. There was no threat that called for developing and building it. The Axis just did not have a high alt heavy bomber force in use against the U.S. that needed to be stopped. No need for a thing, don't build it.

Weight empty   17,745l bs
Weight loaded   22,114 lbs
Wing area          414 sq ft
Range                 2,385 miles
the low power gave
Top speed          405 mph
Max climb            2,600 fpm

Now for real fun check out the Consolidated-Vultee XP-81:D

Six 20mm cannon
Top speed of 507 mph at 30,000 feet
Top speed of 478 mph at sea level
Range  2,500 miles

Or even the built and flown in '44 XP-72
Four 37mm cannon (for the ordered 100 P-72's)
5,280 fpm climb
490 (510 by some sources) mph  top speed