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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on February 22, 2002, 09:12:50 AM
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I base my question on a presumption. Since the demise of AW (And glad ya'll picked AH), I've seen alot of P38's. Why? Was the AW P38 a popular aircraft there?
I was a WB weenie, never flew AW, so pardon the ignorance. I'm asking more out of curiosity than anything else. That and I want to check on something here today other than that silly lightbulb (checkmark).
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Just a wild guess here, but I'm assuming the AW P38 was to AW what the LA-7/N1K is to AH.
I haven't flown AW since the Dos days....
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2 reasons:
Firstly, you're right, the 38 was a very effective turn fighter in AW; primarily becuse the flaps would stay down; and thus act as a drag brake - almost nothing could beat one in a nose low turn, a Spit would pick up speed compared to the 38 with the flaps out nose low - start to turn wide and the 38 would nail it.
Secondly the recent small changes to the 38's flight and damage modelling have made it very much more capable in the AH MA. - and it pays good perkies.
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my 109 eats p38s for lunch
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Naaa..my 38 eats 109's for Breakfast, and dinner so there.
The 38 wasnt a Niki in AW, nor a La7. You had to know the plane to fly there...simliar to here. The 38 here is tougher now which helps. I see MORE 38's than I use to but still not alot.
xBAT
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I've been wondering the same thing. It also seems that the 38s handling has been changed because I've seen some unbelieveable moves pulled off in it lately. My favorite is the pull up, flip over split S thingy at like 300mph with little loss of speed. One minute your chasing them, the next they're coming at you HO.
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Naaaaa.... thats front end thingy. They're going up...turning over and then the 38 accelerates like a bat out of hell in a dive.
xBAT
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Originally posted by batdog
Naaaaa.... thats front end thingy. They're going up...turning over and then the 38 accelerates like a bat out of hell in a dive.
xBAT
I haven't flown the P-38 since mid way through tour 24. I think it's time to take another one up.
BTW, I spotted a horde of P-38s raiding Rook territory last evening. I believe you were one of them. I was unable to really intervene with my Yak-9T, but did get the last one tho' with that monster 37mm as he raced past. The rest of you guys disappeared like a fart in a tornado...... It made me appreciate the maneuverability of the Lightning. High-speed roll is awesome.
My regards,
Widewing
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38 is a great ride Widewing. Since your use to the FM of AH now I'd give it a whirl.
Yea... I was in that mess but w/a different mission,lol. Just to damn many cons for my fat 38 to deal with. I think I managed a kill or two... cant remember.
xBAT
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YeA the 38 in AW was an outstanding plane.But you did have to know it somewhat.I find the realism factor in AH makes it harder to learn.I was allways a 109 freak anyway.It would loop like crazy and not all that long ago I saw a guy fly that thing like they flew in AW.River of death took on about 5 of us staggered and killed em all.Really was some nice flying so if you get a good grasp of what it can do...its as deadly a plane as any of them.
Just my opinion...I could be wrong:)
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Originally posted by moose
my 109 eats p38s for lunch
Funny, my P-38 craps out 109's. Must be all that saurkraut.
Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I've been wondering the same thing. It also seems that the 38s handling has been changed because I've seen some unbelieveable moves pulled off in it lately. My favorite is the pull up, flip over split S thingy at like 300mph with little loss of speed. One minute your chasing them, the next they're coming at you HO.
It's called a snap roll reversal but it happens so fast that on your FE it looks like a sudden 'flip'.
Just a wild guess here, but I'm assuming the AW P38 was to AW what the LA-7/N1K is to AH.
Not even close, the Spitfire MxIX and then later on the B-17 uber-fighter of AW3 joined that list. Like AH, the P-38 in AW was deadly in the hands of someone who knew how to fly it and easy to kill if they didn't. There were also two types of P-38 pilots in AW, those that took time to learn the plane and how to fly it and others that took the short cut and only used the P-38 to 'game the game'. The two types of P-38 pilots are easy to spot in the arena. The more dedicated P-38 pilot still flies the plane, while the other type, professing to have been a P-38 uber-god in AW, are now flying Niki's and La7's.
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479th Fighter Group - Riddle's Raiders
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The 38 in AW took more benefit from good flap control than any other plane. You could whip the nose around at moderate speeds, and then keep it working around at what would normally be sub-stall speeds. With full flaps, the thing could hang at a very high AoA and just sit there, climbing. Properly managed, it could give someone fits if they tried to rope you. It could pretty much immelman forever from the point of takeoff.
For the most part, the really good P38 pilots were respected. The reason being because by itself, the plane just wasn't all that spectacular. It really did take good pilot management to make it uber.
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Originally posted by Ossie
The 38 in AW took more benefit from good flap control than any other plane. You could whip the nose around at moderate speeds, and then keep it working around at what would normally be sub-stall speeds. With full flaps, the thing could hang at a very high AoA and just sit there, climbing. Properly managed, it could give someone fits if they tried to rope you. It could pretty much immelman forever from the point of takeoff.
Exactly which is i think why some liken it to planes like the Niki and the LA7.
The only thing that plane didn't have was extremly high speed handling.
For the most part, the really good P38 pilots were respected. The reason being because by itself, the plane just wasn't all that spectacular. It really did take good pilot management to make it uber.
I think it was more that people expected it not to be very useful because of it's size and lack of roll and some took the time to find out that those folks were wrong.
I'm not sure how many people even used flaps on any planes or took the time to really learn how to do anything more than B&Z=lockon=>flat turn to death.
I personally hate the 38 in the same way that I hate those dumb Cleo commercials or the freaking bowflex commercials..
thank gawd that is over. :)
Kanth
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how the hell can someone hate such a beautiful plane.
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Originally posted by Animal
how the hell can someone hate such a beautiful plane.
From being on the wrong end of a P-38's guns one too many times.
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479th Fighter Group - Riddle's Raiders
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The AW 38 was very different from the AH 38 - it could outturn almost anything with flaps fully extended and it was the best plane in the game for looping "over the top." BUT - it was by no means an La7/N1k dweeb plane of AW - the Spitfire was AW's "N1k" - the 38 required a great deal of skill to operate properly - but when the skilled stick took one up he was rarely shot down.
Mazz
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Mine eats AND craps out 109's of any type =P
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Animal,
Imagine a WW2 sim filled with P38's not spits not LA7's and not Niki's just tons of 38s..the plane for everyone..
after awhile it's like I said you just get damn tired of it.
When I first started in AW it was the first plane I flew because it looked kewl...when I started in Full Realism Arena it was the easiest plane for me to learn in (easier than the 109)
but once everyone starts flying it over and over day in day out you just get damn sick of seeing it around.
btw this is also why I like IL2 so much, not filled with the usual suspects.
Kanth
Originally posted by Animal
how the hell can someone hate such a beautiful plane.
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I've flown it a few times lately... as for why it's being used more recently, have you seen how well it climbs carrying 2000lb bombs and rockets? Amazing! ;)
Regards
Nexx
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I like it when luftwabbles start beginning to whine about P38
Dem lightning ist deiner pappa und kommt euch allen holen schweinflieger.
please i wanna hear more...
another question why do 190 and 109 always dive and run away from it
maybe they don't dare to fight with it :D
let the whines begin
BUG322
=Twin Engined Devils=
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Anyone ever hear of the +Nomads or Tfs#1 from AW classic thru AW3?? I flew the 38 for 3 years on AW and the guys from the Nomads taught me how to fly it.. I was by no means a good 38 pilot. The guys from the Nomads could do things in that plane that I could only hope to do.. But I was a good all around pilot.
I flew the f4u and 109k but I ALWAYS flew the 38.the most
I fly the 38 now because it is the BEST plane you can fly. You can't find a better plane that combines speed, roll, climb, and turn in one plane. I just suck now just I'm not the person I was 3 years ago.. And I have to learn everything all over again.
And I think when we get a early model 38.. Well toejam is gonna fly!!
Because it will be lighter and more streamlined than the L model.
Thus it will probly turn better, have better exel, and better climb rate. But the roll rate will suck so you will need a dual throttle control and good rudder control. To get that big wing to roll.
"To fly the best aircraft you have to be the best pilot!"
Cw
=Twin Engined Devils=
"Beware the lessons of a fighter pilot who would rather fly a slide rule than kick your ass!"
Commander Ron "Mugs" McKeown, USN
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Originally posted by BigCrate
Anyone ever hear of the +Nomads or Tfs#1 from AW classic thru AW3?? I flew the 38 for 3 years on AW and the guys from the Nomads taught me how to fly it.. I was by no means a good 38 pilot. The guys from the Nomads could do things in that plane that I could only hope to do..
hehe I was a Nomad and flew the 38 exclusively, first in RR in AW Classic, then FR in AW2 and AW3. I flew as +Dead and later Cilk.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I always liked the P-38 but I'm pretty sure the Nomads sucked.
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Musketeers
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hehehhe I kinda thought that was you +Dead.:) And as for the +Nomads suck flying the pj well FLS your full of toejam. +Chit was the one who taught me how to fly the 38.. The +Nomads were the only squad in FR on AW classic-AW3 that flew the 38 as there main fighter. And FLS I don't think Mute and some other would think kindly what you said about the Nomads...
Cw
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I'm pretty sure FLS is kidding around, BigCrate. We all go way back. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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What're you talking about? I haven't seen anything but skies full of drooling spitdweebs in a week! I EVEN FLEW ONE!! ...I'm sorry.
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I'm pretty sure I should have made some sort of subtle change to my signature. :D
I probably don't know the Nomads or the P-38 as well as CW does. ;)
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Musketeers
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FLS must excuse me I was talking out of my ass.. I'm sorry. I do like to think I know alittle about the P-38 :).
Cw
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Someone make the bad man stop!!!
Kanth
Originally posted by BigCrate
Anyone ever hear of the +Nomads from AW classic thru AW3??
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I wasn't offended CW. :cool:
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Musketeers
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Originally posted by BigCrate
Anyone ever hear of the +Nomads or Tfs#1 from AW classic thru AW3??
Cw
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Yep, I remember the Nomads from RR AW4W. We even felt pity on one of them, +crazi and let him in the our squad. He told some horrific stories of the Nomads and what they did to their sheep. Almost as bad as the Shills...almost.
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479th Fighter Group - Riddle's Raiders
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Secondly the recent small changes to the 38's flight and damage modelling have made it very much more capable in the AH MA. - and it pays good perkies.
FAR more then small changes, the request was to make the tail more durable, not onlt was it made a bit more durable, but now it and the rest of the plane is a flying tank.
Don't matter if the people who fly it says it's not, it is, I've flown it after the changes and I actually flew straight forward, was jumped buy 190 G10 with 20mm no gondolas, took a 2 second burts heard around 10x20mm hits but all that happaned was an oil leak and a dammaged flap, I escaped and I was as surprised as the 109 pilot.
A very good plane aswell, highly manuverable and accelerates better then most things, poor thing is high speed manuvering though.
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Why do u luftwobbles expect to shootdown everything with one cannon bullit
:eek:
flying tank noway
did not survived any HO with a Fw yet
BUG322
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Ok.. I don't get it, I must be doing something right I guess.. For me, the 38 is one of the easiest planes to shoot down in the arena. Far from being a "tank" I know I won't have to use a lot of ammo on killing a 38. the LW planes are all waaaayyy too durable though as is the A6m5 IMO.
Still... when you mention that one plane or another is "uber" n this BB the next day the arena is full of em.
lazs
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p38 rules
I've flown it since it first came to AH and its the only plane capable of retaining my interest for such a long period of time.
when i finally get a modem I will be flying it again :rolleyes:
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And that is good news :D
not so good for the enemy
BUG322
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"when i finally get a modem I will be flying it again "
? you mean ISP right?
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had cable modem
need pci phone modem and isp
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Don't in any way expect to kill everything with one round. but P38's take a huge amount of dammage, today it happaned again, the P38 pilto said him self he heard a ton of hits, combined 20mm and 13mm but yet, he kept flying, pilot got wounded and an engine started smoking, but that was it.
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Originally posted by Kanth
Animal,
Imagine a WW2 sim filled with P38's not spits not LA7's and not Niki's just tons of 38s..the plane for everyone..
after awhile it's like I said you just get damn tired of it.
When I first started in AW it was the first plane I flew because it looked kewl...when I started in Full Realism Arena it was the easiest plane for me to learn in (easier than the 109)
but once everyone starts flying it over and over day in day out you just get damn sick of seeing it around.
btw this is also why I like IL2 so much, not filled with the usual suspects.
Kanth
Animal was there, and so was I. The sky was never filled with P-38s, it was too full of Spit IXs, running Ponies (the plane that goes Varoom), and Nikkis. I flew AW FR for the last 3 years it was up, and it was never full of P-38s. Only a very few masters flew the P-38 regularly, and a few idiots like me that couldn't fly anyway flew it too.
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Originally posted by BigCrate
Anyone ever hear of the +Nomads or Tfs#1 from AW classic thru AW3?? I flew the 38 for 3 years on AW and the guys from the Nomads taught me how to fly it.. I was by no means a good 38 pilot. The guys from the Nomads could do things in that plane that I could only hope to do.. But I was a good all around pilot.
I flew the f4u and 109k but I ALWAYS flew the 38.the most
I fly the 38 now because it is the BEST plane you can fly. You can't find a better plane that combines speed, roll, climb, and turn in one plane. I just suck now just I'm not the person I was 3 years ago.. And I have to learn everything all over again.
And I think when we get a early model 38.. Well toejam is gonna fly!!
Because it will be lighter and more streamlined than the L model.
Thus it will probly turn better, have better exel, and better climb rate. But the roll rate will suck so you will need a dual throttle control and good rudder control. To get that big wing to roll.
"To fly the best aircraft you have to be the best pilot!"
Cw
=Twin Engined Devils=
"Beware the lessons of a fighter pilot who would rather fly a slide rule than kick your ass!"
Commander Ron "Mugs" McKeown, USN
Heard of the Nomads? Silat was one of my favorite to fly with. And I was in the 327th, which was not a P-38 squad. There were two guys in the 327th early on who could be incredible in a P-38 but rarely flew it, one was KOOL, and the other was YES. Later, Tried was in the 327th, and he was no slouch. Me, I was never that good. On a really good night, I could get down to the final four in two or three KOTH matches, but that's it. Now, I can't even fly at all, because my rig won't keep a joystick working. But soon, there will be a new rig in my future, and maybe even a split throttle.
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"and maybe even a split throttle."
Don't forget prop pitch.....
I wonder what would be the most effective (not immersive)...
CH flight yoke and pedals plus split throttle; or
Twisty stick with pedals, pedals to act as split throttle.
What has more authority in on a 38 as it is modeled today, presupposing the use of combat trim (most, do,after all )?
Which offers the finer degree of control?
Rudder or engines?
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Good questions Seeker, I wish I could fly so I could answer them. The differential throttling is supposed to make it roll faster and turn better, rudders supposedly only make it roll a little faster, but don't help as much in turn rate. If you don't feather the prop on the engine you throttle back, it will enhance the effect, whether that is good or bad depends on how well you choose your throttle setting.
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I want the yoke, the pedals, and the split throttle. But at around $600, it would cost as much as or more than my new computer will. I'll be stuck with my twisty stick for a while.
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Rudder and engines are different. Rudder kicks your tail around (not as much as single-tailed planes though), the engines will make your plane roll and pull nose to dead engine very slightly (as if you were giving it a liiiiiittle bit of rudder). But when the dead engine is combined WITH rudder to same side, you can do an amazing snap turn, but dont expect to sustain it 'cause the stall that will come will be very nasty.
About 38 toughness: The ONLY thing I agree is weird in the toughness now is the wing roots. They simply dont take damage, damage is x-fered to the engines.
Aside from that, you can ping a 38 anywhere else and you WILL tear pieces out of it. Wingtips are very vulnerable (and get snapped very often), engines get hit all the time (well, it is 70% engines), tails DO snap out if they are hit from above or below, the stabilizer does break off with a few cannon rounds.. you just have to HIT it.
It seems very durable because in comparison with other planes, it does not shed its wings with a burst on the wings. But let me tell you, give a 38 a burst, and you will knock the engine out or make it smoke (3-4 mins left of life on the engine), you will get an elevator (and 38 without 1 elevator is SCREWED. it can barely pull nose up), or a flap (no flaps=no turn=gotta run for it, and 38 can NOT run from anything BUT a spitv and zeke). What would usually be an instant-fatal blow to any other plane is a torturous death for a 38. When I shoot other 38's I bang them with 2 short bursts in 1 area, watch them smoke and some piece fly off, and I let them be. a few mins later I get kill (some cannon dweeb shoots him up below but since I pinged 38 more I get kill, or 38 crashes).
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"another question why do 190 and 109 always dive and run away from it"
Well, and this just a wild guess you understand, but... because they can. I assume that any plane that can outdive a P-38 will do so either to break off or to get an E advantage. Why is this confusing? Isn't this just sound tactics?
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Originally posted by HFMudd
"another question why do 190 and 109 always dive and run away from it"
Well, and this just a wild guess you understand, but... because they can. I assume that any plane that can outdive a P-38 will do so either to break off or to get an E advantage. Why is this confusing? Isn't this just sound tactics?
I think the point is that diving away to gain energy to re-engage is a very valid tactic, while always diving away to break off and run without ever fighting is just running.
The general idea of most dedicated combat flight sim enthusiasts is that once you are able to reasonably equalize altitude and speed (or "E"), you should turn and fight, so long as you have ammo, an undamaged or equally damaged plane, and relatively equal numbers.
Most of the better pilots, and some who wish they were better pilots, find it really annoying that there are certain individuals who will only engage if they hold the advantage in several, if not most or all categories, and by a large margin.
In other words, they don't like pilots who will run from a co-alt, co-E 1v1 everytime, especially since those same individuals are usually the pilots who WILL engage when he sees you 3K below him, 200 MPH slower, and already fighting at least one, and preferrably three or more of his countrymen, while he is alone. These guys are usually found in groups of three to seven, and flying either Spitfires or La7s.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
These guys are usually found in groups of three to seven, and flying either Spitfires or La7s.
You had me totally agreeing with you until this part. The style of flying you mentioned is not exclusive to Spits or La7s. In fact I find very few Spits that do it, mainly because it's very hard for them to run from a co-alt, co-E 1v1 in the first place. And it's certainly not limited to La7s. I've seen 190s, 51s, 205s, Typhoons, etc etc. all flee from a roughly even E fight.
The funniest example of this in recent memory was a P-51 with about 2k alt on me, of equal speed, who at 2k out (as we merged nose to nose), split-sed and ran to three friends. That was pretty weak.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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It was nearly impossible in real life to knock the wing off of a P-38. I know of at least one pilot who hit a telegraph pole with a P-38 and flew home with several feet of wing missing and the remaining portion severely twisted. Another collided with a 109 wing to wing, and the 109 spun in immediately, while once again, the P-38 flew home with about 6 feet of wing missing. There are several reports of P-38s with 3 foot flak holes in their wings landing safely. The spar in a P-38 is large, and made of stainless steel and aluminum, not just plain aluminum.
When shooting from above and behind, it should be difficult to hit the oil lines or the oil cooler on a P-38, as the oil cooler was below and in front of the engine, behind the intercooler on the J and L models. The only oil lines above and behind the engine are for the turbocharger, and are relatively small. Those lines are actually below the turbo for the most part, and the turbo itself was contained in an armor ring. What should be vulnerable from above and behind is the radiators.
It is actually the third most durable Allied fighter, behind the F4U and the P-47, or fourth to some when compared to the F6F.
At least half of all P-38s lost were believed lost due to mechanical failures, navigational errors, and accidents. The pilots I've spoken with say most lost to enemy fire had either their pilot killed or disabled, or their control cables shot away.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You had me totally agreeing with you until this part. The style of flying you mentioned is not exclusive to Spits or La7s. In fact I find very few Spits that do it, mainly because it's very hard for them to run from a co-alt, co-E 1v1 in the first place. And it's certainly not limited to La7s. I've seen 190s, 51s, 205s, Typhoons, etc etc. all flee from a roughly even E fight.
The funniest example of this in recent memory was a P-51 with about 2k alt on me, of equal speed, who at 2k out (as we merged nose to nose), split-sed and ran to three friends. That was pretty weak.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I wasn't saying it was exclusive by any stretch. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to fly since December (early December in fact), and at the time I was flying, I saw this being done MOSTLY by Spitfires and La7s, but not exclusively. I was, and will be again, flying Rooks, although I doubt that matters, all sides have them, and always have, even in AW. When I see it done with P-51s, I usually only see two. Tiffies I see in pairs or maybe trios, and most take at least one blazing HO, and then run like hell to their buddies, sometimes in a gaggle of Spits.
Funny you should mention the Split S. When I was getting started, I used to do that on the merge, and then try to single or double Immel. It didn't work, but then I never flew fast runners either. When I gave up the Split S, I quit dying as much, or at least as fast.
I don't guess I ever saw you in AW, at least not often enough to remember. As lousy a pilot as I am, i'm rather forgettable myself.
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Well I mostly fly the 190A-5 and run from the LA-7 unless I clearly have an E advantage. The thing is, even though I am flying a "190" I don't feel that co-alt, co-E is an advatage vs. an LA-7 because the is simply nothing I can do that the LA-7 can't beat assuming he sucks to the same degree I do.
Given a large enough E advantage I will BnZ until my E advantage is reduced to the point that I can't get away with another attack. Then I will use what E I have to run.
As I see it, if the LA-7 driver wants me not to run then he needs to fly any other plane is set and I will hang around in a 1vs1 and do my best to give him a good fight. 1.8ish times out of 3 this will not go my way.
On another subject, "Luftwobbles HO'ing", this really does not make a lot of sense if you think about. The last thing I am going to do in any German "200 is 2-far" cannon armed plane is challenge a 6x50 or Hispano armed planed in HO. I seems like most times that I close with a P-51 I see the 50's twinkle far beyond what I could possibly hit them at. In short, I don't try HO with allied planes, it is simply too fast a way to die.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I don't guess I ever saw you in AW, at least not often enough to remember. As lousy a pilot as I am, i'm rather forgettable myself.
I'm not sure I recall you from AW. What was your CPID there? I went, at various times, by DeadF, +Dead, and Cilk. I mainly flew Full Realism.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I'm not sure I recall you from AW. What was your CPID there? I went, at various times, by DeadF, +Dead, and Cilk. I mainly flew Full Realism.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I flew only FR, with the exception of a couple of tribute flights. Squad nights were Wednesday and Saturday nights, and I flew KOTH and some scenarios. The CPID was Savge, I flew with the 327th FS until around February 2001.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The CPID was Savge, I flew with the 327th FS until around February 2001.
The CPID Savge rings a bell, though if you were participating in KOTH events, you were there past my time. I left AW more than two years ago and moved to AH. But I do believe we've crossed swords before. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
The CPID Savge rings a bell, though if you were participating in KOTH events, you were there past my time. I left AW more than two years ago and moved to AH. But I do believe we've crossed swords before. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
Ahh, you could be thinking of "Savag", who also flew the P-38, he was a Cz, not sure which squad.
KOTH was sponsored by the 327th squad, I think I hit AW a little while before they started. I hope to be back up in AH soon, but it looks like it will be June, unless by some miracle this rig starts supporting my USB stick. It locks the stick now, even in Windows, although sometimes I can get into AH for a while before it locks. So, I'm not flying for a while.
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I remember both +dead and Cilk, never thought they were one in the same :) Spent some time in fightertown I believe? 215 was my cpid. I'd usually be flying the P38, P40 or 109f, although I did spend a day in a Ju88 trying to get kills with bomb blast :)
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Remember guys, the four 50 cals on the P-38 in AH cycle fire, not instant. That mean, each 50 cal fires in turn.
The real-life P-38 has a simultaneous firing mechanism for the 4 fifty-cals on the nose.
We are only getting about 1/4th it's true firing power. The 20mm is always nice but it's something to see all 5 guns firing. I remember seeing an old 40's era training film on the P-38 and it has amazing firepower. It was a one squeeze kill for the P-38. That's why it earned the nickname of 'Fork-Tailed Devil'.
I wonder if HTC will ever fix the 50's on the P-38?
V.
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I remember Cilk flying with Kitty. I never realized it was +Dead in shades and a skirt. I actually thought Cilk was an easier kill. :D
Remember guys, the four 50 cals on the P-38 in AH cycle fire, not instant. That mean, each 50 cal fires in turn.
The real-life P-38 has a simultaneous firing mechanism for the 4 fifty-cals on the nose.
We are only getting about 1/4th it's true firing power.
You have 4 guns firing at about 750-800 RPM each. That's at least 12 rounds per second per gun. What does it matter if the guns fire simultaneously or not? I doubt any P-38 pilot ever tried to fire just 4 rounds at an enemy. In testing I find it's possible to fire just one shot in AH but I'm more likely to fire 2 than 1 and sometimes I fire 3, all with the same brief tap on the fire key. For any reasonable short burst of 1/4 second or more you still get the same rate and weight of fire on the target. Since the P-38 had a time of fire of 40 seconds and I can empty the AH P-38 guns in 37 seconds you could argue that it's firepower is slightly high.
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Musketeers