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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MANDOBLE on February 26, 2002, 02:58:02 AM
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present in AH. Not lacks in modeling nor bugs, just 100% nonsenses:
1 - Panzers crashing with trees and exploding ...
2 - GVs and PTs spawning in the same exact point over'n over.
3 - Runaway spawn points leading to unclimbable hills.
4 - Enemy CV groups in front of your fields and no sign at all in the clipboard map.
5 - Add yours.
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5- No giant Pizza & Beer in new CT terrain. This should be addressed.
SOB
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So, Mando.... I wonder what kinda job you have, where everything is 110% finished while you're still working on it.
If you get the salary that goes with it... I'm there.
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Saw, this is not a whine neither a negative critic, just a list of little things, perhaps very easy to fix and perhaps forgotten in the time.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
1 - Panzers crashing with trees and exploding ...
Ya see the idea is to go around the trees. Just another aspect to gameplay. Gives ya something else to think about rather than pulverising everything in sight.
Originally posted by MANDOBLE
2 - GVs and PTs spawning in the same exact point over'n over.
And why is that a problem?
Originally posted by MANDOBLE
3 - Runaway spawn points leading to unclimbable hills.
Find somewhere else to take off then. If I cannot climb a hill I go around. Again part of the game play IMHO. EVer play chicken with a hill, try it its fun and scary:)
Originally posted by MANDOBLE
4 - Enemy CV groups in front of your fields and no sign at all in the clipboard map.
Since when did enemy CV's hang big signs out when the went into battle? C'mon MANDOBLE I personally like some of these 'features', and I guess some others do too.
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1 - Panzers crashing with trees and exploding ...
How about stopping them if crashing?
2 - GVs and PTs spawning in the same exact point over'n over.
This is a problem cause when that spawn point is located, you simply need to put a panzer close enough aiming there and killing all and every enemy spawning there.
4 - Enemy CV groups in front of your fields and no sign at all in the clipboard map.
Gremlin, I'm talking about CVs very close to your base, clearly visible and into coastal battery range. But no sign of that in the map, you need to be at that field and locate visualy the group.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
4 - Enemy CV groups in front of your fields and no sign at all in the clipboard map.
Gremlin, I'm talking about CVs very close to your base, clearly visible and into coastal battery range. But no sign of that in the map, you need to be at that field and locate visualy the group. [/B]
Mandoble,
I know thats what you mean. Surely you don't seriously expect the location of enemy CV's to be shown on the map:confused: .
Obviously if the coastal batteries and field can see the CV then it's location is no longer secret, but can you imagine the mess that would follow an NME cv showing up on the map, it would not be a pretty sight and would make CV's toothless as an offensive force. Every dweeb who had enough skill to get a TBM off the ground would be killshootering themselves to get to it.
I understand what your saying but personally, I prefer it like it is.
Grem.
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Here my 2 cents:
1) its true, instant death should not be caused by trees.
2) GVs dont exactly spawn the same point, not long ago we got spawn areas, now GVs will and do spawn around the spawn point in a circle up to 500 yrds.
3) Runway spawn points? i think you mean were planes start, if yes, i agree. Some fields in Baltic & Mindanao are placed so bad, that you can barely take-off save (impossible for any buff) and landing is even more difficult, at least as long as you want to use the runway
4) no problem with that, once they try to bring in planes or GVs they will be on sector dar, and if they so close to coast, the CV will be easy meat
and finally
5) NIKKI's ;)
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I think he was referring to spawn points for Vehicles.
I've had that happen, where you jump in a vehicle, and you're stuck there because there are unclimable hills all around you. ('till I learned to go in reverse)
Or mebbe not (Jes noticed the 'Runaway' adjective...runway typo? Or some kinda Danish slang?)
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6:Unable to choose exact % ammo load or gas
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The fantastic joystick lock feature it's very realistic.
great!!
BUG322
=Twin Engined Devils=
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I am most absurdious feature of AH. Every time I log I ask myself -- what the hell I am doing here? -- and has no answer :)
Only thing which relax me in this case is another 370 absurdious features online :)
Fariz
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"Some kind of Danish slang"?
More like Swedish......right, Santa? :)
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
3 - [Runway] spawn points leading to unclimbable hills.
LOL, my first mission I ever planned I had a group of B-26's launch right into a hill. That was a good laugh for all of us.
-Sikboy
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here's my whine......
- city ack shootin thru fallin buildings and going thru trees.
- or 2 panz's face to face...i get 3 direct hits...lo and behold....they bounce off:mad:...by that time im mystified....other panz gets 1 shot in....BOOOOOOOM i die..don't forget we where face to face.
- gettin behind enemy plane and rip his plane in 2.....assist:confused:
u try that:eek:
thats my whine
thx u
SLO:cool:
4 WING =441 Silver Fox=
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7) No nekkid women on the beaches!
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I withdraw my previous complaint and put my full support behind Westy.
SOB
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Absurd feature number 1,234,657.96:
This thread
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MANDOBLE,
I dub thee WHINEDOBLE! A richly earned handle.
Lephturn
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Somebody say something about a whine?
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Hi,
There is one shore battery on the Baltic map, bottom right hand corner possibly A63, which has no view of the sea. That's pretty absurd.
Cheers
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More of a questions but,
Is there anyway to zoom in on the map and actually see the left hand side of it close up??
It always zooms right off the screen for me.
Kanth
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Spawn points cannot be changed, BUT in my maps I've been creating multiple spawn points to eliminate camping. So NW,N,and NE will spawn you at the same feild, but in slitely different locations. But this eliminates the spawn points to OTHER fields, as the spawn points for that direction are allready in use now. The tanks shouldn't explode, but i like to see the tree stop them.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by MANDOBLE
present in AH. Not lacks in modeling nor bugs, just 100% nonsenses:
1 - Panzers crashing with trees and exploding ...
2 - GVs and PTs spawning in the same exact point over'n over.
3 - Runaway spawn points leading to unclimbable hills.
4 - Enemy CV groups in front of your fields and no sign at all in the clipboard map.
5 - Add yours.
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YES, while there is no Pizza or beer in the CT terrain, I did design it with a few squads in mind....
A few of the tiles are taken from Pr0no shots:) So as your reaching 25k look down and see what i mean, Given the 3 choices, Beer and pizza lose, wouldn't you agree? :)
NUTTZ
Originally posted by SOB
5- No giant Pizza & Beer in new CT terrain. This should be addressed.
SOB
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HTC is this true???
It's news to me, but is this right?
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Naudet
2) GVs dont exactly spawn the same point, not long ago we got spawn areas, now GVs will and do spawn around the spawn point in a circle up to 500 yrds.
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Yes nutz it's true, all except the hanger spawn point.
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Is there anyway to zoom in on the map and actually see the left hand side of it close up??
Shift + mouse button 1 will let you move map with mouse.
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Musketeers
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Somebody remind me........ when was the last time he posted something he liked about the game?
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Okay thanks
Kanth
Originally posted by FLS
Is there anyway to zoom in on the map and actually see the left hand side of it close up??
Shift + mouse button 1 will let you move map with mouse.
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Musketeers
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Toad please come on these are some things that need fixing but due to the rather simplistic damage collision model I don't think it could be changed without a major overhaul taken resources from the new planes an new features from incoming versions.
And of course it won't get changed in many years. Maybe if there's an AH 2.0 it will actually get a more in depth collison damage model until then....
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Originally posted by Naudet
Here my 2 cents:
1) its true, instant death should not be caused by trees.
I wouldn't be so sure. I'll have to check, but I don't think the PzKW IV came with driver's-side airbags. I have no idea about seat belts/straps, but if not, you wouldn't have to hit a tree very fast to severely injure the crew. I'd imagine that breaking the loader's arm, or knocking the driver unconscious, would make the tank nearly useless as a weapon.
Now, I don't know how fast you have to hit a tree to blow up, but I've hit them slowly and lived to tell the tale.
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Originally posted by Toad
Somebody remind me........ when was the last time he posted something he liked about the game?
If "he" is me, why I should post something like "AH is online flightsim number ONE", or "What and impressive sim" or whatever like that? IMO these kind of posts are empty nonsenses. I'm a customer, I pay for AH while not paying for the competence, I have an entire web site dedicated exclusively to AH. Enough "cheertarded" scum for you Toad? Happy now?
Pointing the faults is the best way to demostrate the interest in any program. Cheerleaders are just the worst cancer for any development.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Pointing the faults is the best way to demostrate the interest in any program. Cheerleaders are just the worst cancer for any development.
Followed very closely by people who label minor quibbles as "absurd features" and "100% nonsenses."
Let's just put it this way -- if someone made suggestions to me the way you present suggestions to HTC, I'd wonder whether their motive was to improve me, or to make me feel like a jerk.
You might argue, that in a customer-vendor relationship, the vendor has to put up with a lot of crap. While that's normally true, I guess, I don't see the relationship between myself and HTC as a typical customer-vendor relationship. I see Aces High as an expression of craftsmanship unlike any other -- I haven't the hubris to label it as absurd, even though there are aspects that I would like to be different.
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pbirmingham, see your point and would agree about the "form". What about "minor absurd features"?
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I maybe stupid by I'm with Mandoble in all aspects except CV problem.
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If there's one thing that's really bothering me it is the "XXX wants to join you plane" showjoin window smack in the middle of the screen. Of course the joiner doesn't ask up front and the window blocks my view at the worst moment.
Hitech, is it hard to change this so that join requests appear in the msg bar by default??
Apar
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Originally posted by Apar
If there's one thing that's really bothering me it is the "XXX wants to join you plane" showjoin window smack in the middle of the screen. Of course the joiner doesn't ask up front and the window blocks my view at the worst moment.
Hitech, is it hard to change this so that join requests appear in the msg bar by default??
Apar
How about a little light on the dash like the Beakon that flickers whenever someone requests to join to join...
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Originally posted by Apar
If there's one thing that's really bothering me it is the "XXX wants to join you plane" showjoin window smack in the middle of the screen. Of course the joiner doesn't ask up front and the window blocks my view at the worst moment.
Hitech, is it hard to change this so that join requests appear in the msg bar by default??
Apar
// mode I'm a bastard ON
If your in a fighter just accept and squelch (*) him and fly like a rather prudent Boom&Zoomer ;) if your in a bomber ... sadly I've no solution currently :(
(*) You won't read him screaming because of boredom :D
// mode I'm a bastard OFF
Each time I'm faced a such an unwanted join request I do that it work always :)
Isn't it a great solution ?
muahahah :D
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
pbirmingham, see your point and would agree about the "form". What about "minor absurd features"?
He's Runny Damnit! :eek:
-Sikboy
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Yes, indeed, I am talking about Mandoble in that remark.
He reminds me of Spiro Agnew's comment about the "nattering nabobs of negativism".
I truly DO NOT remember the last time he had a kind word to say about HTC or the game.
Sure, there are faults in the game code. Without a doubt they should be acknowledged and discussed on the boards.
Allow me to quote pbirmingham, however, for those that may have skimmed over his remarks:
pbirmingham: Let's just put it this way -- if someone made suggestions to me the way you present suggestions to HTC, I'd wonder whether their motive was to improve me, or to make me feel like a jerk.
There IS a way to comment and make suggestions about the game without being well, obnoxious and rude.
pbirmingham again:
I don't see the relationship between myself and HTC as a typical customer-vendor relationship.
Exactly. Although I have never personally met a single one of them, I most certainly consider them my friends and friends of long standing at that.
I would NEVER critique ANY of my friends in the non-stop, non-friendly way in which Mandoble seems to excel, particularly if they were supplying me with an excellent source of recreation for merely pennies a day.
I WOULD (and DO) make suggestions... in a polite way.
If one were to take the last 200 posts from Mandoble, print them out and bind them in book form and then, give them to someone who knows nothing about AH, what conclusion would that person come to about the game?
...and perhaps more to the point what conclusion about Mandoble?
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Originally posted by Toad
I WOULD (and DO) make suggestions... in a polite way.
If one were to take the last 200 posts from Mandoble, print them out and bind them in book form and then, give them to someone who knows nothing about AH, what conclusion would that person come to about the game?
...and perhaps more to the point what conclusion about Mandoble?
Sorry to butt in here but what exactly are you saying? That we should all throw in a couple of "good remarks" about the game if we want to comment on changes we want? Just in case some moron decides to print out the previous 200 posts..."oh what impression would they get"?
Who cares what impression they would get?
There are lots of ways to suggest changes. I cannot say that I find the first post in this thread very rude or inpolite.
[edit] we are all here, and we all pay $15 a month, that should say more than enough about how good we think this game is. And I should be allowed to post my opinions and thoughts on what could be better in teh game, and what I think should be changed.
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Toad, most of my posts are located in the Game FEEDBACK/ISSUES forum. Most of them are proposals and new ideas, some others are what you would interpret as whines and none of them is a Cheerleader childist post, IMO, HTC doesn't need them and I see no sense into remembering them how good is his product. It is much more positive and productive to try to find out what can be improved and how, even when we are absolutely wrong.
In any case, get the list of my last 200 posts (or even 400) and try to find out a single one critizing destructively in a nonsense way AcesHigh. Once you have the list, create a new thread: "The infamous EVILDOBLE agenda", post the list and let the people to take their own conclusions.
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It's not wether you agree with everything in the game, or want anything changed. It's how you do it. Customers or not, $15/ month or not, the folks behind this game are people, and we all react in a similar fashion to negative feedback.
http://www.usatoday.com/careers/news/2001-03-07-criticism.htm
Also, the Gameplay Feedback forum is the proper place for suggestions or things you think should be changed.
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No, I'm merely suggesting that one use common courtesy when dealing with these "issues".
The game does need to be critiqued by the players. Feedback is essential for them to shape the product.
However, I think it should be offered without the continual negativism that accompanies some posters remarks.
In short, when I post or call them about problems, I try to remember that there are real people on the other end, people who are very proud of what they have created and that have that "pride of ownership" feeling.
Try to remember the last time somebody bashed something you had created... a picture, a piece of writing, a finished job... something you had worked very hard on. How would you feel if you were subjected to the continual drumbeat of impolite and sometimes downright nasty criticism?
Being polite costs absolutely nothing. Throwing in the occasional compliment costs absolutely nothing.
You know, when this gets to be "no fun" for the HTC folks... the rest of us are in DEEP DOO.
I'll suggest that the non-stop nattering nabobs of negativism are certainly a "no fun" factor.
But, of course, feel free to complain constantly... after all 50 cents a day certainly gives you that right.
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If you are happy just show it : Bribe them !
(search any Hitech post to learn how to bribe correctly ;))
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Man....what a potload of crap!
So.... since you pay $15.00/month, you get to whine as much as you want, about whatever you want, in whatever forum you choose, even if it's not the appropriate forum, in a tone which is counter-productive?
If I owned HTC, I would boot the 5-6 bitter, whining, negative customers right on out the door! $15.00/month is not enough to put up with malcontents.
Don't believe me? I have tenants in our shopping centers and office buildings, that no matter what you do to appease them, they are never happy. Solution? I do not renew their leases and send them off to torment someone else...life is too short. Oh....and they pay me much more than $15.00/month.
There is a big difference between offering constructive criticism and being on some kind of sick mission to highlight every little burp in gameplay with the delivery of a spoiled grade school student.
HT has the patience of Job....for that, some of you should be very grateful.
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Yes Rude you can do that ,there always will be something to complain about in some aspects sorry if we sometimes don't buy into things or just go into a leap of faith if we doubt something is very wrong.
Even if we go away there will be someone else what are you going to do pounce them and DICTATE to them what he can or cannot say?
I know many people posts in these boards to please each other(remember a RAM thread not long ago) they may not neccessarily agree to anything in either party to just to stir the ant nest they put in idiotics posts.
Heck Rude you should know better there has to be somewhere along the lines someone that says "the king is naked " like the story went of the king who thought he purchased a robe made of invicible thread.
Sorry if WE don't please you and if you think this is a direct attack to everything HTC stands for but if there are some flaws they must be brought forth.
He has every right to put things here as well as any of the Whine gestapo or any other paying cutomer sure, you can put your opinions on it but, to attempt to censor him is rather pathetic and insulting.
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Yes. You should know Glasses is here to serve a higher purpose, and is not simply crying every time he yells Allied High.
(It cracks me up, the exclaiming use of WE. As if an oppressed people or something.)
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I meant it as we as in anyone who said something about AH is wrong gets brought to a firing squad. That's why I don't post anything arguing about X or Y feature anymore . You just can't do that in these boards.
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Originally posted by Rude
Man....what a potload of crap!
So.... since you pay $15.00/month, you get to whine as much as you want, about whatever you want, in whatever forum you choose, even if it's not the appropriate forum, in a tone which is counter-productive?
If I owned HTC, I would boot the 5-6 bitter, whining, negative customers right on out the door! $15.00/month is not enough to put up with malcontents.
Don't believe me? I have tenants in our shopping centers and office buildings, that no matter what you do to appease them, they are never happy. Solution? I do not renew their leases and send them off to torment someone else...life is too short. Oh....and they pay me much more than $15.00/month.
There is a big difference between offering constructive criticism and being on some kind of sick mission to highlight every little burp in gameplay with the delivery of a spoiled grade school student.
HT has the patience of Job....for that, some of you should be very grateful.
In an online flight sim, the community is 90% of what makes or breaks the game. If HTC would take your example and boot the 5-6 most whining, negative customers, what signals would that send to the rest of the community do you think?
If you reread my post, you'll notice that my $15 a month remark was aimed more at the fact that we all pay $15 a month to be here..that has got to say SOMETHING about how good we think this sim is.
And yeah, I still think that my $15 a month buys me the right to say my honest opinion about various gameplay issues on these forums.
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Though I doubt they would do so Hortland, I think that is the best thing that could possibly happen to this sim. Hell, charge $30 again as a surcharge to cover the lost revenue.
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Originally posted by Glasses
That's why I don't post anything arguing about X or Y feature anymore . You just can't do that in these boards.
Don't you mean you can't argue points on these boards without any facts, or somebody that really knows the subject WILL post facts and quote sources and make you not post your opinion as fact anymore?
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Does it buy you the right to say Fegk this POS game when ever you wish?
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I usually dont read more then a couple of replies in these threads. It always amazes me why folks would waste their time to whine about someone elses "whine".
Then when you look closer its always the same dozen or so that file in one after another. HTC ignores umm why cant they?
If some one whines and no one replies is it still a whine?
but I guess I am just whining about the whine whiners..........
Just remember mandoble never come to the bbs without your pom poms or the fanboyz will make a point of whining about your phraseology and syntax cluttering the thread no matter what the idea thats contained in it.
I can hear umm coming now one after another each ready to give a reach around...........
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Does it buy you the right to say Fegk this POS game when ever you wish?
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In my opinion, yes and no.
I should have the right to voice my honest opinion (in whatever the appropriate forum is), as long as I dont just sit and swear and curse over the game. So, yes, I think my $15/month buys me the right to say my peace, and no it doesnt buy me the right to call you guys at home and call you names, or just sit here and write obscenities, or stuff like that. But I wasnt aiming at that situation...
(And I'd have to be *really* stupid if that was my opinion of the game and I still payed $ 15 a month to play it.)
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Hortland would that be acceptible on channel 1?
If done mutliple times is there a limit?
If there is a limit where is it ?
If it is spoiling the fun of most of people what should be done about it?
If you have been proved incorect about some subject but continue to beet a dead horse for months on end to the point no one wants to here it anylonger, what should be done?
Basicly it comes down to when some one is constantly pushing the limit/line of exceptible social behavior over an extended period of time what should be done?
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Yes, a whine unreplied to is still a whine. Not has bad on the boards (just the waste of a thread), but many of the same we listen to constantly on the main channel regardless that they are most of the time ignored (or most have just tuned out channel 1 entirely).
In fact, they usually only shut up after people start making fun of their tantrum.
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who has it shut up?
it turns every one of these threads into 100 replies all whines?
Squelchin channel 1 or individuals works. I developed a good habit of .squelch socrates sometimes he aint even in the game.
also theres an ignore feature on these boards.......
but I dunna maybe it feels good I may try
"You unhappy ungrateful whiner you have no respect why dont shut up and quit ah"
nah I didnt get anything out of it......well I leave yas too it
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You're right, how dare we expect a readable channel one. It is our fault for not squelching it or having our 64name macro ready.
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Originally posted by hitech
Hortland would that be acceptible on channel 1?
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No, the purpose of "the whine" as I see it, is to give some kind of feedback to you guys. "This is wrong, can it be changed please", or "Shouldnt this aircraft have 2 more MG's" etc etc. The purpose of it all is to improve gameplay. This is not achieved by whining on ch1. Im only talking about the forums here.
If done mutliple times is there a limit?
If there is a limit where is it ?
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Yes, since the purpose is to bring some player input or feedback to HTC, once is enough, if it is clear that "the whine" has reached HTC.
If it is spoiling the fun of most of people what should be done about it?
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A warning followed by either the boot or some mute function seems appropriate to me.
If you have been proved incorect about some subject but continue to beet a dead horse for months on end to the point no one wants to here it anylonger, what should be done?
Basicly it comes down to when some one is constantly pushing the limit/line of exceptible social behavior over an extended period of time what should be done?
See above. From your reply I'm suspecting that we are talking about two different situations. What I mean with what I have said is that I should be allowed to say my peace on the game I pay for and play. If there is something I feel is wrong, I should be allowed to say it.
I'm not talking about someone whining on ch1 or typing obsceneties there. In fact, I think its pretty safe to say that we all hate those. Nor am I talking about someone on a personal crusade or vendetta against something.
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I think it's funny how this keeps evolving. Human nature I guess. Anyhow, getting back to what Runny was talking about: If you think there's a problem and you want it fixed you have to consider what the best way to go about that is. If you think that taking a harsh stand is the best way, I can't say as I agree. If you want something "fixed" bring facts, bring a smile, and show how this will make for a better game. Not everyone is going to agree with you. If there was a single "best game ever possible" we'd allready have it. But for god's sake try to let the facts and ideas prove your case, and not ad hominim attacks.
If you just want to blow off steam, then fine, knock yourself out. But if you actually want to accomplish something, you might want to rethink your process.
If these posts aren't geared at actually making any improvements, you have to wonder why their here at all. :confused:
but putting together an argument is hard work. We can't be having that. I mean, I would LIKE there to be changes, and I FEEL in my heart of hearts that they are good ideas, but I shouldn't have to actually do any research, or build a case to support my ideas. That would be asking too much of me. I'm the consumer after all. :rolleyes:
-Sikboy
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Think what HT was referring to was the BBS.
People posting that "this is &^%$# broke!!!!!" and yet not being able to back up the statement with any proof.
People posting that "this is &^%$# broke!!!!!" and yet not being able to back up the statement with any proof.
People posting that "this is &^%$# broke!!!!!" and yet not being able to back up the statement with any proof.
People posting that "this is &^%$# broke!!!!!" and yet not being able to back up the statement with any proof.
6 months later
People posting that "this is &^%$# broke!!!!!" and yet not being able to back up the statement with any proof.
People posting that "this is &^%$# broke!!!!!" and yet not being able to back up the statement with any proof.
SKurj +)
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Mandoble recently started a thread titled "flying manners". After reading his rant I actually checked to be sure irony was a word in Spanish. Turns out it is. Now he claims that "absurd features" and "100% nonsense" are not whines or negative criticisms. His funniest point is that compliments would inhibit the further development of AH. I suppose his logic, if I may use that term, is that HiTech would declare his work finished without the helpful input of Mandoble and his ilk.
It reminds me of my first week in AH when I heard "Why aren't you stupid morons listening to me?" I won't say who said it, there was more than one 'leader' who found it baffling.
I'm sure many of us realize that AH is not a flawless completely accurate recreation of WW2 air to air and air to ground combat. I'm willing to bet HiTech knows this better than any of his critics. That doesn't change the fact that it's a great sim.
If Mandoble can't understand why posting "Changes I'd like to see in future versions" is more constructive than his current rhetoric then his absurd posts will continue to be 100% nonsense.
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Musketeers
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Actually I like this game a lot and I hope nothing changes about it
The rooks actually awoke last night and rallied against the knits.
We still lost the war to them by 1 field but it was the most exciting 2 hours I spent flying in a while.
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You're right, how dare we expect a readable channel one. It is our fault for not squelching it or having our 64name macro ready.
read this thread........
whine on whine how is this making channel 1 more readable?
the beetch counter beetch stuff doesn't shut anyone up .....
if it does tell me who?
Absurd features
present in AH. Not lacks in modeling nor bugs, just 100% nonsenses:
1 - Panzers crashing with trees and exploding ...
2 - GVs and PTs spawning in the same exact point over'n over.
3 - Runaway spawn points leading to unclimbable hills.
4 - Enemy CV groups in front of your fields and no sign at all in the clipboard map.
5 - Add yours.
How would 50 threads with 1 post like this effect your ah game?
What we get now is 50 threads with 100 replies........
I havent seen mandoble on channel 1 but I dont pay much attention. But I have seen gunman26's socrates and this type run there mouths over and over day in day out.....
How have you shut them up..........?
Not only do these anti-whiners whiners do what they accuse but 1 of umm made it a point to start a whole new thread to whine about what he percieved as the worst.
It also funny that the ones who are the most rabid anti-whiners belong to 1 or 2 squads.........kinda makes ya think they just stir the pot..........
oh well your deal play how ya want.......
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Well, let me see. As extreme cases, Gunman was actually removed if I remember correctly. I haven't seen Socrates lately, but he usually shut up as soon as someone pointed out he was on the wrong page of his thesaurus.
In normal cases such as headon whines, thisplaneisporked/HTC conspiracy rants, vultch whines, gangbang whines, chuteshooter whines, ack whines, planetheotherguyflies whines, TnB whines, BnZ whines, warp whines and cheater whines, pointing out an individual is acting like an bellybutton is usually sufficient.
To the relevence of the post, ignoring my statement for a moment that the boards were not as bad, much of the attitude carries over into the main arena. A post stating that aces high is 100% nonsense would in my humble opinion fall into that category. Though I do agree that Mandoble at least keeps it to the boards as far as I have seen.
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It's obvious to me that HT reads the UBB topics and threads.
It's obvious to me that HT has personal feelings like everyone else.
It's obvious to me that to get a feature I want added or changed from HT, I need to have my feature facts straight, fully consider the impact of the feature on the entire community, and then request the feature in such a way that HT will include it into his game development schedule.
How many think HT should drop further coding on v1.09, fix every little bug/glitch/gripe, then never write another line of code so as to avoid anymore bugs?
Lastly how many have read the main HTC webpage?
I distinctly remember sumthin' like; "it's a constantly developing game, that will never be finished."
Sounds like a pretty good "product disclosure statement" to me.
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gunman26 wasnt removed because you whined back at him.......
when someone ingame calls you an xxxhole xxxx dweeb do then return the favor? and this shuts umm up?
So what someone posted a whiney bbs thread.........:rolleyes:
how often do the socrates gunman26 types post on the board and "then carry it to channel 1" hardly ever.
my only point so what heres a whiney post?
is it better just to ignore him or fill everyone with numerous replies that are mostly name calling?
thats good fer channel 1?
that shuts umm up?
ya ever think they make they post expecting an arguement?
anyway now I am sucked into the hypocracy........
Some things are better left unsaid .................
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Originally posted by hitech
Basicly it comes down to when some one is constantly pushing the limit/line of exceptible social behavior over an extended period of time what should be done?
Force them to join the FDB's:)
NUTTZ
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Look, I never said anyone couldn't whine, just that if they do they don't do so in a vaccuum (though they should, it would be appreciated if they did). If someone makes an absurd claim (like you spitdweebs should fly a hard plane, like the dora), then do not be suprised of someone points out the idiocy of the comment. If someone screams about being HO'd, do not be suprised if they're mocked for thinking they get a free merge pass.
If inane claims are made, on the boards or in the game, expect them to be refuted. And yes when they are completely baseless it will be pointed out that it is nothing more than a hollow whine.
Gunman26 was booted because people as a whole did not like his outbursts, so yes, it was as a result of whine-whining as its been called. I actually never had a real problem with gunman's outbursts though. I don't remember ever calling him out on channel 1, so I can hardly claim resposibility for his removal. I certainly understand why HTC would do it though.
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nah.. force Fatty's mom on 'em.
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There is a big difference between offering constructive criticism and being on some kind of sick mission to highlight every little burp in gameplay with the delivery of a spoiled grade school student.
Read the above carefully.........now read it again.
I have never stated that we as a community should hold our tongues and goose step behind HTC's every move. What I have said, is that to post complaint after complaint using adjectives like absurd, nonsense or capping off your post with add yours[b/] like your trying to solicit more of the same, reminds me of the old addage...Misery Loves Company.
In addition, there are specific forums for the very purpose of reporting bugs and/or problems to the developer. Post there? Absolutely not!!! I think I'll just crawl over to the General Forum and force feed my stink to anyone who will listen!
After 11 years, I have grown tired of negative crap offered by ungrateful, holier than tho critics, who have nothing better to do than spout crap out of their mouths.
I used to enjoy reading the forums and never even posted anything until the whining got so bad that I thought if I put the spotlight on whining, someone might see just how unproductive it really is....that little adventure became depressing.
And the worst part is this.....sadly, it will never change.
That is why this player is of the opinion, that if he owned the boat, I'de feed some of you to the sharks and never even look back. But, I don't own the boat, so I will just add those people to the ignore list and squelch channel 1.
Hey HT...push the button!
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this is typical thread that brings out the anti-whine gestapo
mandoble dislikes the fact pnzrs explode when they bump a tree.....and a list of others
I really could careless about his points.
Gunman26 I assume was reported to htc and if he was booted it happened in that fashion not as a result of folks telling him he is stupid or should shut up.
I dunno why hes gone but I would bet it aint because folks told him they didn't like him or called him many names or folks told him to quit.
But even so look at this thread and the others like it. Your telling me its a "civic duty" to reply to to it........
bs................
Hes been branded whinoble (or whatever) told he should quit ah and other things and you believe this is a perfect way to deal with problems on channel 1? or to move ah community to level of greater civility?
And ignoring him is the wrong thing?..............ok :rolleyes:
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so "whine of the week" was also a civil responsibility..........
lol bs
no one forces you to click on to a topic posted by someone you already know has issues with aspects ah.
It wasn't like you were walking through a field of daisies and accidentally stepped in horseshite.........
Theres an ignore feature but it easier to whine back..........
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Wotan.....
You're close.....it really wasn't like walking thru a field of daisies and stepping in a pile of horseshite. It was more like having the same horseshite talk to you, all the while, knowing that horseshite is not supposed to be able to talk, but yet everytime I walk thru this field of daisies, theres the same old horseshite trying to make a point.
Weird isn't it?
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The scales have fallen from my eyes! I see it all so clearly now!
Shame on me for actually thinking that HTC had dedicated their lives to creating a game that I might enjoy playing for just 50 cents a day. I was SO wrong!
What is WRONG with me? How can anyone have fun when runaway spawn points lead to unclimbable hills? This game is ruined for me now... I'm formatting the hard drive.
For so long I had believed that HTC had dedicated themselves to creating a great game simply for folks to enjoy. I was actually enjoying the game and having fun for the past few years.
What a putz I was!
Now I see that those bastiges need to be constantly chivied, harangued, b*tched at and nagged into action to get the game to progress! The more whiney and two-year-oldish we can become towards them, the faster they will be whipped into line.
What's worse is I fell in with BAD company.. I'm in a entire SQUAD of guys who were just as badly fooled. We were ALL having fun! The shame!
We've got to snap out of it! I see now that HTC needs a daily dose of humility. It's up to us to point out the major flaws in this game, like the incorrect number of rivets on the P-51 aileron trim tab artwork!
The glass is half empty!
The GLASS is half EMPTY!
arggggggggggggh!
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke
Have you ever noticed how easy it is to destroy compared with how hard it is to build?
How much simpler it is to tear down a building than it is to put one up?
How easy it is to criticize an ACM game compared to how difficult it is to program one that works?
I have no problems with folks that can point out a problem, suggest a solution... and give HTC some time to act on it as they continue to build the game. Knowing of course that some things are truly MINOR and can wait while adding features is MAJOR and brings us ever closer to an all encompassing WW2 game.
I DO have problems with folks that are simply "nattering nabobs of negativism", that NEVER have anything positive to say and find it a DAILY obligation to post MINOR complaints.
I'm going to speak up too. I don't think sitting in mute silence while folks continually snipe at my favorite online game is beneficial to the game and it presents an unbalanced view to the casual observer of this BBS.
As I said upthread.. when HT and Pyro finally look at one another and say "There is just NO pleasing these guys. Nothing we do can ever make them happy. Screw it." ...we're all going to be hosed.
Because we did nothing.
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Wotan:
Do you wish there was less whining on channel 1 and here?
If you wish there was less of it, what would you suggest be done? (Nothing is an eceptible answer)
HiTech
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Originally posted by Rude
Wotan.....
You're close.....it really wasn't like walking thru a field of daisies and stepping in a pile of horseshite. It was more like having the same horseshite talk to you, all the while, knowing that horseshite is not supposed to be able to talk, but yet everytime I walk thru this field of daisies, theres the same old horseshite trying to make a point.
Weird isn't it?
Haaahhaaaaa... Oh man Rude. That was like the funniest thing I've read in weeks. THAT is why I read these damn posts!
By the way, I've given up on whining. If I've got a problem I'll bring it up to HT if I see him in blue in game and accept his answer for what it is. Hell, most of the stuff that bugs me has to be on the list to be fixed eventually anyway. Everyone needs to lighten up... EVERYONE.
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HT i think it would be better to ignore as in squelch and the ignore feature and to send the extreme examples of verbal abuse to you to deal with as you see fit.
Do you think tellin a whiner what a whiner he is is better?
I mean theres like 10 mandoble threads over the last month or so critical of just about everything AH. I dont feel the need to argue with him about it.
You dont have the desire to respond to every petty complaint.......
You gotta know theres plenty of folks satisfied and happy with your product or how else do you explain its apparent success?
Now if something is impacting the success of AH I would expect you to drop the hammer as you see fit.
But when folks see a whiney thread how is whining bac helping. I dont believe it has caused 1 guy to quit whining or quit ah (maybe deezcamp I dunno).
Shoot I like ah as it is thats why i subcribe and I dont like reading bs so you know what I try not to...........
Folks here agree to a tos if you fell they violate it or has some other cause then do what you have to thats your buisness but again telling mandoble hes a whiner or to shut up hasn't made for a more civil bbs or main..........
Thats funny rude but not the point you purposely point your mouse and click on a thread with a title and by a guy you already view as a whiner.
It would be like searching the field of daisies for that pile of horseshite and walking up and screaming at the top of your lungs how much it smells and instead of moving around and up wind continue repeat the same thing over and over.
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Hitech:
Have you considered trying the following:
Unperk the C-Hog.
The pathological whiners will go berserk over this and then you can say:
“Well we perked the C-Hog to make you happy, but you aren’t happy so we unperked it and are considering other remedies for your chronic dissatisfaction. We’ve asked Lazs to develop an action plan to satisfy you and he promised to get right on it.”
You may not be able to get rid of the whining but I can guarantee that you can control the topic of the whining. Think of the amusement value.
See ya in August you meanie.
Hooligan
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Ignoring topics that you disagree with is a mistake in my opinion. Even if you just register it as a whine (and thus become a whine whiner) you are still regiistering disagreement with the original sentiment. This ensures that both sides are represented. If not for dissention, (and in this case direct participation) the desires of the comunity can not be judged with any certainty. But anyone who was paying attention would have noticed that Edmund Burke said it best (via Toad, Thanks for the Quote).
-Sikboy
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so mandoble is evil and toad and rude and the others are good men attempting to triumph over such statements as
"gvs that explode when they bump a tree"
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Wotan
so mandoble is evil and toad and rude and the others are good men attempting to triumph over such statements as
"gvs that explode when they bump a tree"
:rolleyes:
Who are you talking about Wotan? Did I call Mandoble evil? You can speak all you want, but you're speaking for yourself. Don't put words into my mouth, and try reading more and reading into less. :rolleyes:
Let me recap in case you're too lazy to read over what I've posted.
1. I think Mandoble is going about this the wrong way if he wants these things fixed.
2. Ignoring posts because you disagree with them is bad.
There you have it.
-Sikboy
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Wotan: This game realy consist of 2 things.
1. Is the code/art/gameplay side of AH.
2. The other is the people/community.
There can be problems and bugs in both, and just like we strive to make the code and art the best, we also strive to make the community the best.
It's fine and dandy to say, just squelch some one.
Btw I agree, just calling some one a whiner is also not a solution.
But if you look at that from a community stand point, it realy is just sticking your head in the sand to the problem. i.e. let someone else deal with it. This attitude fosters and breeds it's self, and sudenly doing anything you wan't is "accepatble" on line and on this bbs.
This is why we have never implemented a perminate squelch list, if some one is so problematic that lots of people want to put them on a perminate squelch list, well quite frankly that person should not be here. At the moment Im asking YOU if you have any ideas how to lower the problem, and also if you think it IS a problem.
Then there is also my personal factor, don't for a moment think we don't get totaly sick of "Stupid complaints" like mandables in this thread.
The spawn point thing is not even true.
And CV's are suppose to be searched for.
It gets to a point that we can't even keep up with false truths like b17 50 cal leathlity, one persone whines. Next people take it as fact that buff guns are more leathal then others. Ive told one indivdual mutliple times about it, and he still persist in spreading the same false hoods via whinnes.
Had mandable said the same items in a different way it would be a simple proccesses to deal with, when stated like "Absurd features" he is not asking us to change anything, he is not asking for information all he is doing and has a disire (at least aperntly ) is to throw mud.
He couldn't even state it as absurde features Id like to see changed.
SMUT once said "it's like a death of a 1000 pin salamanders" and he was right.
Now im not the slitest bit upset at the moment. After 7 years of this stuff you do develope a thick skin, but every once in a while the community needs a swift kick in the behind to make them aware of a problem, and we are rapidly reaching that point.
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Yeah, that's it exactly Wotan. :rolleyes:
You think daily nitpicking is good for the game, inspiring to the HTC folks and ultimately beneficial to the players?
As opposed to realizing that this is a work in progress, that they do keep a prioritized list of things they want to work on, that there are some things that are important, some things that need work "when and if you get to them" and some things that absolutely aren't important/make no difference..... and lastly that near daily complaints about relatively minor game quirks can be detrimental to the future of the game?
Seems to me that HT's presence in this thread and what he's said might tell one more than the actual words.. if one was listening.
They're human too. NOBODY likes continual nit-picking of their work. Eventually, everyone gets "fed up". And that's what 95% of this stuff is... nit-picking.
Obviously, you don't like "whines about whines". Feel free to follow your own advice. :) Because I'm not going to remain silent when I read this badgering BS.
Enjoy!
Didn't see yours HT.
You said it better than I, so I'm out. (But I'm not shutting off my "whine-ometer". The nattering nabobs of negativism seemed to have disabled the off switch.)
Thanks again for a great game... minor faults notwithstanding. ;)
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cant threads be deleted and locked?
I dont see how arguing with the rams mandobles and the others does anything to help the AH community. Thats my only point. If you say it does then how?
What in this thread will stop the next one.
I dont run ah so I am not in a position to to deal with this type of stuff. I know that me and others just avoid these threads. Are you saying ah is better off because folks branded mandoble with the scarlet W?
Are folks any more pleseant in the main after "rudes whine of the week".
Is there a bbs moderator? One way would be to limit where these threads are posted keep them in the aircraft and vehicles or the feedback forums.
Hell get rid of the bbs with the exception of special announcements I dont care. I dont know how you can stop someone from posting out of there arse? But theres plenty of them 'round.
Run your buisness how you want but relying on public redicule to stop whiners wont work.
I am not saying not to disprove the inaccurracies of his points but most that posted here didnt attempt that. They went after him. IMHO its better to ignore them then gettin in a pissing match over everything else but the points of his post.
Like I said I enjoy ah and am eagerly awaiting 1.09 but like you none of us can shut the malcontents up.
Now simply wrong or in accurrate tech information is different then your typical whine because most dont know or care and I would expect those threads to be clarified by those who know (not necessarily htc).
Make rude a moderator he cant wait to lock delete and boot.......
You think daily nitpicking is good for the game, inspiring to the HTC folks and ultimately beneficial to the players?
no where did I imply that?
do you think arguing with a nitpickers is? You know the topic of the post, you know who posted, you have an idea about the content of his previous posts, yet you find it necessary to call him a whiner as if that will stop him next time.
I dunna what to tell you if you enjoy banging your head over the same nonsense then enjoy it but dont tell me what your doing is good fer ah.
A new guy could just as easy assume that the bbs is openly hostile to criticism as they could "oh he is a malcontent".
When I 1st came to AH I didn't post much because most of what I read were threads like this.
limit folks to 10 posts a month that may help .........
Sorry Rip :)
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Wow, I've been out of this thread for too long.
In spanish, absurd = nonsense. I've stated that this thread was related to little things with few sense, not just a major critic against modeling, etc. Just a list of minor issues probably easy to fix. I suppose that this is more than enough to understand that I would like these things to be fixed.
As far as I've read, it seems the major problem is just with the topic world "absurd", well, my english vocabulary has only another similar world: nonsense. IMO, the content of my message was absolutely polite without any kind of offense.
If GVs keep spawning in different points, these points are close enough to be well into gun range of a enemy that has got a good firing possition. That is, the spawners has little chance of deffense.
About the CV being there to look for it, I agree, but not when somebody places the CV just almost into one of your bases.
In any case, these are my oppinions, wrong or right and I see no offense at all in them. Any new player comming here and reading this post would not get a negative impression about AH. But if he keeps reading, he will find a court martial against the first poster done in public. And done by the same people that court martialed every one that they considered that was wrong. IMO, these are really the offending posts, not the first one. These posts are those that create a poluted ambient in the community. Posts that critize some game feature are harmless, posts that critize someone are absolutely harming ones.
Add alsto to the offending pool those that simply cant understand what they read like Fatty stating that my post is that "aces high is 100% nonsense", and then taking conclussions, etc, etc.
Every week there are a bunch of posts insulting, calling names, etc to other players, but no one seems to see anything wrong into this.
Enough whine for today, EvilDoble out.
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The spawn point thing is not even true.
And CV's are suppose to be searched for.
It gets to a point that we can't even keep up with false truths like b17 50 cal leathlity, one persone whines. Next people take it as fact that buff guns are more leathal then others. Ive told one indivdual mutliple times about it, and he still persist in spreading the same false hoods via whinnes.
Well heres where the knowledge of the community should be helping you. But rarely do you see it. I had whined about the collision model on the bbs and got plenty of get losts and shudda ups. A guy ingame explained the whole fe thing. I then searched the bbs and found posts by you and others that answered everything I hadf whined about.
Had mandable said the same items in a different way it would be a simple proccesses to deal with, when stated like "Absurd features" he is not asking us to change anything, he is not asking for information all he is doing and has a disire (at least aperntly ) is to throw mud.
He couldn't even state it as absurde features Id like to see changed.
I agree but is it better to argue with some one with such an agenda?
SMUT once said "it's like a death of a 1000 pin salamanders" and he was right.
Now im not the slitest bit upset at the moment. After 7 years of this stuff you do develope a thick skin, but every once in a while the community needs a swift kick in the behind to make them aware of a problem, and we are rapidly reaching that point.
I dunno man its easy for me to say if I ruled the world this this and this would happen. Aggitators need to be kept in check but it seems to me they like the attention more then anything.
I had a squaddie nic at the time Sturm6
I believe his 1 st post on the bbs went something like "HTC PYRO WTF did you do to the fw190d9"
He loves that plane now. We can have an effect on the folks we are friends with. I can say hey sturm6 man you went off the deep
end there. But they realize it most of the time.
Force threads into the appropriate forum. Set guidelines as to how those tech and gameplay threads are to be made and make it clear any thread that doesn't follow those guidelines it is deleted.
Any personal attack should be locked and the dude who did it warned. if they do it again ban umm.
Expand ingame moderators to trusted guys in the community. If they offer evidence of extreme aggitation then warn, then ban the guy. 2 strikes your out.
Make an official announcement or better yet an email restating the the tos.
Now I dont see it as that great a problem as the others squelch ignore works for me.
Anyway I finished
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Originally posted by Wotan
cant threads be deleted and locked?
I dont see how arguing with the rams mandobles and the others does anything to help the AH community. Thats my only point. If you say it does then how?
originally posted by Sikboy
This ensures that both sides are represented. If not for dissention, (and in this case direct participation) the desires of the comunity can not be judged with any certainty
If complaint threads are ignored by those who don't agree with them, then it might give the impression that certain probems are of a greater concern to the general public than they really are. I think that more accurate representation of public opinion is pretty helpfull to the AH community
-Sikboy
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Mandoble
I'm glad I don't have to post in Spanish. I realize that posting in another language can create misunderstandings. In the future, instead of taking your posts literally, I'll assume you intend to be polite and reasonable.
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