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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on February 26, 2002, 07:39:54 AM
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Most of us in AH came from either WB or AW or both. Where the heck do you think I first saw then learned to avoid the HO in the mid 90's? Yep. WB.
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What you see there is not specific to just Scrambl and WB's.
Since coming to AH back in 1999 I've saw many people from AW, as well as WB's and FA, straddle the fence. On one hand liking AH, or going thru the motions of trying to, but unable (or unwanting) to make a clean break. Some could (myself easily...after a year and a half ;) ) and others couldn't see thru thier sim/squad/friends familiarity/bias to really try out AH and the people here. Some just hate change and new things. And many others cannot handle the psychological impact of starting over on a lower rung in the pecking order again after being King of the Hill for years elsewhere. The folks who straddle the line (or act like they do) often mock AH or complain about what it lacks versus brand XX (missing "comfy blanket" thing) by posting elsewhere about it.
AH will never be WB's and it will never be AW. AH stands on it's own very well (head and shoulders above those two IMO) and it has even become a WWII aircombat "melting pot" of sorts.
As much as AH has it's share of online community problems, so do the other games and sims. Just read some of the other topics on AGW, or go to the FA n.g. and of course you could always dip into the newsgroup BigWeek (sprung from MMP tests for AW during the latter 1990's) to see that.
IMO iEN and the WB's community can only wish they had the massive influx that AH has had in the past few months. Then they would have the hundreds of new, frustrated players who will tak the HO all too often just to get an ego boosting kill award. And of course the AGW community would open it's arms wide in a warm welcoming embrace as they show via this topic. (of course with thier large increase price on March 4th that's not likely to happen at all)
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/026774.html
Westy
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Yeah, I hear ya Westy. It just pisses me off to accept someone with open arms, ya know, glad you're here, welcome my new friend and then go running to your old buddies and laugh at us at our expense.
As if HO's never happened in WB. Heck, the freakin HO masters live in WB for goodness sake.
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rgr that Westy. Many pilots have a tough time turning their back on their old game, especially hard for them to leave their old friends behind. That's why when I decided to come here, I just quit WB's altogether, rather than trying to stay in both games.
A few months ago, I D/Led WB's for the first time in a couple years. It looked the same as when I left back in '99. I'm glad I'm here. Let 'em make wise cracks, the writings on the wall. We could use a lot more WB's players here. :)
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Agreed. For a long time while I played AH I still took part on AGW. I alwys thought I'd go back and try WBIII when it was more mature and stable. Finally, when hotseat admitted there were something like 20 planes ready and just waiting for cockpit art, while he was busy working with XBOX ports and Mars terrains, I gave up on WBs. The price increase coming in March will seal its fate, IMO.
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I just cancelled my wb3 account last week if they think that ho'ers aren't alive and well in 80 person max arena then they are lying.
Ah 250 to 400 folks flyin round you got to prepared fer a ho or 2 or 4. They are easy enough to avoid.
But we are just a**holes high I guess. :rolleyes:
Everyone needs their ego stroked now and again............
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Simply a case of "We've run out of things to bash AH with, and this is the best I could come up with". :D Consider it WB defeatism.
Actually, I think he was just trying to be funny. After all, a good pilot knows the HO can be avoided.
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Originally posted by Apache
It just pisses me off to accept someone with open arms, ya know, glad you're here, welcome my new friend and then go running to your old buddies and laugh at us at our expense.
same here
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"It just pisses me off to ...."
Oh, me too to be 100% honest. I think this morning when I'd posted that I'd not had enough coffee and obvioulsy I'd taken leave of my spiteful feelings and ways. I'll try not to do it in the future ;)
The nerve of that prittle lick!
Westy
(p.s. which is why I usually don't say 'welcome' to people who post that they have "arrived" (or even 'goodbye' usually to folks unless it is RL circumstances causing the departure). If they stay long enough they usually become active in the community and joining into discusssions (re:AH and anything else) with them is my way of saying hello.)
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Why would he have a hidden agenda? what you think he's in some secret iEN plot to undermine Aces High and destroy the game from within? :rolleyes:
I've spoken to Scrambl quite a bit since he first gave Aces High a try and offered him a place in my squad as I knew him from my WB days as being a decent guy. Yes he has made some derogatory comments about AH in the past and I've often argued against his opinion's challenging him and others to try AH. At least he has tried Aces High unlike some of the others who liek Westy says are often too scared to perhaps not be the top dog anymore in another sim and scared of change. Scrambl gave Aces High a chance and he liked it, so much so he subscribed and joined my squad and has been a very active player (he's done wonders for our kill ratio :D ) He often tells me he prefers Aces High over Warbirds and if you read the thread he says he still does prefer AH over WB but like the rest of us there are some things he does not like about AH.
While I do agree with Westy's theory about some gamers not willing to drop down the virtual pecking order and being scared of change and being set in their ways unwilling to change there is a flip side. For every one of the players Westy describes above there is an equal number who turn a game into a religion, its not a means of entertainment anymore for some they turn it almost into a way of life. They pounce at the slightest challenge to their beloved sim they won't hear any wrong said about their idols on the dev team of their sim and they preach to everyone how superior they are by putting another community/sim down like they are on some kind of religious crusade to educate the world's flight simmers.
Neither sim is perfect by any means we'd all like to see a particular feature which may not ever make it into either WB or AH. I don't particulalry agree with his views on the lack of six calls, I get plenty, I also see just as many HO's in WB as I do in AH. He is entitled to his opinion and its one which you did'nt seem to mind when he was posting less than complimentary stuff about Warbirds.
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I dunno, I enjoy reading the acm begins after merge theorists. They amuse me.
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And that is after all what its all about...
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It just pisses me off to accept someone with open arms, ya know, glad you're here, welcome my new friend and then go running to your old buddies and laugh at us at our expense.
What a load of rubbish. Aces High has some great attributes; unfortunately, the community is not one of them. Apart from buddies from WB, no-one here has ever welcomed me or tried to involve me in anything. I've written a few threads about it, but this one (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44859) probably expresses my feelings best of all.
I am as free to voice my opinions on the WB bulletin board as I am in here, or in the local boozer talking to a friend.
Yep, great graphics, flight models, programming support... but the online "community" sucks. And the maddening thing is it need not be like that. A couple of weeks ago I cleareda "friend's" six, and almost got killed for my trouble. When I asked "why no bloody six calls"? the very guy whose arse I had just saved had the cheek to accuse me of having a toejamty attitude. I logged off soon after that. With friends like these, who needs enemies...
The weekend before last, it was the WB Eurocon2002 in Holland. A wonderfully warm and nostalgic event. I met the very first guy who ever helped me (in my first week) for the first time, despite having been an online friend for four years. Amongst the warmth and cameraderie, I suddenly realised what I had been missing in Aces High. And something else: At least five guys that I spoke to had tried Aces High, and most have given up on it because of the lack of support and team spirit. By that I mean they no longer participate. So yes, there were a few jokes going around about AH, like the quip I made that lapwin mentioned
I am still here. But it's not easy. I have taken hblair's advice to check out the CT, and I think that's where I'm going to make my home. I'm looking for gameplay that has planning and the strategy of a game of Chess, and not an aerial pub brawl.
Not wanting to tar all with the same brush, I should mention a few AH friends, amongst whom are funkedup, snorkey, blitz-,ripsnort, lephturn, revvin (and rest of squad), higgs0 (a great sport), hammy, and anyone who has ever given me a 6 call! (a growing number have)
See the picture of a great bunch of guys at the WB EuroCon2002... And it was always like that. We always had a good time online and offline.
Now that you've seen this picture, you have to guess which one is me - LOL! (No help from WBers please)
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...so i've made it smaller
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AH is a rapidly growing community that is undergoing the same growing pains as other on-line sims. It has had a HUGE influx of new players and such. WB's is an established community that has had a stable player base for some time. Give AH and it current influx of people time and it will grow.
xBAT
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I agree with Batdog here. With the death of AW in december, AH has seen a major influx of new players, many of them wishing that they were still playing Air Warrior. You acknowlege as much in your "replies" post. I would be interested in knowing what the % of new players (Since the middle of December) to Veteran players is.
I know several players who left AW to join AH because they were weary of empty FR arenas, or the style of gameplay in the RR arenas. Some folks see this new influx of players has wanting to draw the game in the direction of the RR arenas in AW. (personally I don't have an opinion here, I left AW over a year before it died and while I much prefer AH, I have no grudge against AW folks). Anyhow, it appears that there has been a backlash against many of the new players. There have even been suggestions of starting an RR arena to seperate them out. (Bad idea IMHO, let them play FA3 and keep AH targeted towards this core audience.) So, yes, there is a bit of a crisis going on in the AH community. It's going to take some time to figure out who's going to stay and who's going to go play FA3 RR Insto Lazer physics free Gee-O-Ramma.
Also though... It's very hard to compare your second experience in a MMOFS to your first. It's like losing your virginity. Comparing the commeraderie you have in WBs after 4 years of playing to AH where you are fairly new is not very fair. I know that you refer to when you first started playing WB's and everyone bent over backwards to help you out, and how that didn't happen in AH. I'm not too sure why this isn't the case. For one thing, there is a debate over the utility of the "6 Call" function. Personally I hate them. Nothing like getting the advantage in an E fight, and having someone send you a 6 call right in the middle. Now I know EXACTLY where that guy is, so my brain tells me "There must be someone else about to kills you!" so I instinctively do some evasive and blow my E, and have to run away to reset. That's just me. But you can see how 6 calls aren't a very important part of my life. So I can't really relate to you on how bad the community is about using the six-call function. But I will say that even outside of my squadron I've felt a good sense of community with AH players. For example, On friday night I flew TOD as a guest of the LuftJagerkorps and despite the fact that I'd only ever flown with any of them once before, they were helpful and happy to have me.
Sorry, I don't really want to start the workday, so I'm just rambling.
-Sikboy
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Like Hblair, I quit Warbirds altogether, before coming to AH, in Oct. I admit after years of WBs, where I was pretty good. I am suffering dweebness to the extreme here. I tell you one thing though, I would rather take my lumps here towards the bottom of the food chain than go back to Warbirds. The challenge is greater, the sim is better, and it's a hell of a lot more exciting in AH PERIOD. Guess that was more than one thing.:rolleyes:
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Beetle I have no opinion about the the intial point of this thread.
I would like to say this: you stated in your reply, "no-one here has ever welcomed me".
Well I indeed welcomed you here on this very board...I can't remember what you had posted about but I encourgaed you to stick with AH because there were many decent folks here.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions and I respect your right to voice them. Just wanted to set the record straight.
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"Community" is what YOU make it, not what you perceive it as.
(Note: more of a philosophical approach rather than a statement)
One thing that is consistent in every online sim I've been involved in since 1989 is this: Folks that blame community on their lack of happiness usually have another problem that is bothering them, community is the best over-all scapegoat to lay blame on ones inability to adjust to something new(whether is be FM, ACM style, blah blah). Not saying that was the case here, but just noted from past experience.
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Are you the green leafy guy all the way to the right in the picture by the guy with the blueish jacket's elbow? ;)
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Oh my, lets go take a pot shot at the AH community (which if you knew anything, is a damned fine community) over on AGW. Tis a real interesting way to make friends and establish yourself here.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Simply a case of "We've run out of things to bash AH with, and this is the best I could come up with". :D Consider it WB defeatism.
Actually, I think he was just trying to be funny. After all, a good pilot knows the HO can be avoided.
Been flying a lot of Zeke the past two tours. I've avoided HO like the plague (unless the target is a bomber). I've got tagged quite a few times when I thought I had maneuvered out of HO range.
I'm now pretty much convinced that that I'm not a "good pilot". :)
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Aztec – OK, I stand corrected – maybe you did. And thanks sincerely for inviting me to today’s mission to attack F11 :) I got one designated target (ack) with a rocket, but then the acks got me! Still haven’t worked out how to deal with acks in AH. Seeing them in the first place is the hard part. By the time I’m close enough to see them to take aim, I’m good as dead.
Ripsnort – I disagree. If what you said above was valid, then surely all online sim communities would be alien to me. That is not the case. The AH v WB community comparison is like oil and water, as far as I’m concerned. But remember – the folks posting here are the game enthusiasts.
KWest – No. that’s a Dutch guy with the handle of “flower”. Try again!
Yeager - The people of whom I despair are the 98% of AHers who don’t read this board. BTW, my past four years experience indicates that I don’t need online community popularity lessons.
All – you might not always like what I say, but I’ll speak my mind – truthfully.
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Wish I could take this thread back. It does no good, especially to the community, for someone to lash out at another.
My apologies beet1e.
If I didn't do it before, although I'm sure I did, welcome to Aces High. If ever I can be of service, be sure to call upon me.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Ripsnort – I disagree. If what you said above was valid, then surely all online sim communities would be alien to me. That is not the case. The AH v WB community comparison is like oil and water, as far as I’m concerned. But remember – the folks posting here are the game enthusiasts.
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Then..
BTW, my past four years experience indicates that I don’t need online community popularity lessons.
This tells me WB's was your first online sim you committed quite a bit of time too, so my theory is valid. You become accustomed to one type of environment, and its very difficult to adjust to something that is not familiar.
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Originally posted by Apache
If ever I can be of service, be sure to call upon me.
Dude. What do you mean by that?
:o
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I am new to AH, and I really have no complaints about the game or the community.
I flew in AW for several years, finally dropping out a year or two ago as it stopped working reliably on my machine.
Most of the arguments I see in here are pretty familiar:
"Uber" planes, HO's, T/B vs. B&Z, etc etc... nothing really new ;)
As far as the game itself, well objectively I have no doubt it is a more advanced (& stable) piece of software than AW, which was saddled with 10 years worth of old code.
I am not familiar enough with the AH community to offer any useful criticism, but to be fair AW had something like 10 years to build up an online community of players, and it seems unreasonable to expect AH to build the same kind of community in just a year or so - it will happen in time.
For me, I just have to get used to being a dweeb again (then again I was always a bit of a dweeb :) ), and getting clubbed like a baby seal every run. But hey, I'm here, and so far I'm having a lot of fun, even if I am getting creamed every run ;-)
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Ripsnort - I don't believe your theory is valid, because of this -
and its very difficult to adjust to something that is not familiar.
Remember - the WB community was not familiar to me in Jan. 1998, but I slotted right in within the first 2 weeks or so.
It's probably worth saying again - I don't have a quarrel with most of you guys reading this. It's the quakers that suck, but they probably don't bother reading this board.
Apache! Don't worry about it. Of course you were right to post. Things are better in the open.
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Scrambl, was WB's your first online sim?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Still haven’t worked out how to deal with acks in AH. Seeing them in the first place is the hard part. By the time I’m close enough to see them to take aim, I’m good as dead.
Well, I can't help you with the community--it is what you make of it--but I can help with killin acks! First, download the maps of the various field sizes. Note ack locations. Approach field from the direction where you can get two or three acks in a row--plan your exit/egress. When ur first learning, the zoom function can help tons. Use the brackets just like the buffs to optimize ur forward (gunsight) view. If u have lots of ammo, shooting early and lining up the shot by where the ammo is hitting the ground is a good way to learn to line up your shots. Once you've got this mastered, look ahead for where the next ack is and prepare to re-sight for the next emplacement. Another thing--cause the game is sorta fugged ack-wise, go SLOW! If ur screamin thru ack at 500, ur dead. I find at 200 that the durn things never hit me--just don't fly in a straight line when egressing....a jug is a wonderful ride to de-ack. YMMV
g/l
dh
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Horn - where can I find these maps?
Ripsnort - yes, WB was my first online sim. v2.01 was the first release that I flew from the beginning, though I joined a few weeks before it came out. I still have my whines about it saved as .DOC files! I was just as cantankerous then as now - LOL! I've .ZIPped it up for you...
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Hey... Welcome beet1e.....
What more can we do.... HT even put clouds and overcast in to make you UK people feel more at home...........:D
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Nice car Rip, too bad its a "Bimmer"......;)
Monk out
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Originally posted by Monk
Nice car Rip, too bad its a "Bimmer"......;)
Monk out
Poor mans Porsche. :D
So Scrambl, WB's is what your used to then in terms of an online WW2 flight sim, no? Again, read my initial post about 'comfort zones'.
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Ripsnort,
We’re rapidly reaching the point where we’re about to start defining/redefining meanings of words etc.
Of course I was “used to” the WB community. But even before that, people online were helpful. As I said in one of MY earlier posts, I’ve met hundreds – at four different Cons and in as many different countries. I’m starting to get to know a few people here now. But unfortunately the ones posting here I rarely see online. Am I "used to" the AH online community?- Getting no 6-call (and no help of any kind) when surrounded by about ten “friendlies” within icon range when there's a con hard on my heels? I’m certainly not used to that.
- Being told that it doesn’t matter if I die because it’s just a game? Nope, not used to that either.
- Saving a guy’s arse and then having him ignore me? Never knew that, so I'm not used to it.
- Being chastised by a guy whose life I had just saved? That was a definite first right here in AH. I'm not used to it.
- Being told to RTFM or Alt+F4 or simply to shove off when trying to get help? I am not used to that.
Ripsnort is right. I am not used to the AH online community at all.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Ripsnort,
We’re rapidly reaching the point where we’re about to start defining/redefining meanings of words etc.
Of course I was “used to” the WB community. But even before that, people online were helpful. As I said in one of MY earlier posts, I’ve met hundreds – at four different Cons and in as many different countries. I’m starting to get to know a few people here now. But unfortunately the ones posting here I rarely see online. Am I "used to" the AH online community?- Getting no 6-call (and no help of any kind) when surrounded by about ten “friendlies” within icon range when there's a con hard on my heels? I’m certainly not used to that.
- Being told that it doesn’t matter if I die because it’s just a game? Nope, not used to that either.
- Saving a guy’s arse and then having him ignore me? Never knew that, so I'm not used to it.
- Being chastised by a guy whose life I had just saved? That was a definite first right here in AH. I'm not used to it.
- Being told to RTFM or Alt+F4 or simply to shove off when trying to get help? I am not used to that.
Ripsnort is right. I am not used to the AH online community at all. [/B]
Well, in all fairness, we've had AH guys go over to WB's and encounter the exact same thing there..Gman is a Canadian who posted exactly a report like yours in AGW and was flamed for it.
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scrmbl the guys that offer help on the boards usually have been here awhile and aren't in game as much as the others.
We have had a rapid growth over the last few tours. All the manners of old seem to have gotten buried somewhere.
Clearing a guys six for 1 even if you had dissagreements with a guy he would clear your six.
6 calls I honestly think I got more of those when folks had to type check 6 in the buffer then now.
Rarely are there S! and every smart bellybutton likes to say hit "alt-f4" for every question ya have.
Shooting at nme already goinf down ib flames has reached new heights as well.
I logged off the main the other day and aint been bac. I was missing a wingtip and a spit was in on me. There was 4 friendlies from d1.5k to 4k. I got few check 6s by not even the slightest attempt to clear my 6. They just flew by. by luc I reached my ack somehow missing the guys spray and pray. Ack must of hit him cause he started smokin then 3 guys jumped all over him.
Luckily when I fly I usually fly with my squadmates.
Only advice I can give ya is hook up with a few guys and help each other.
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Some thoughts:
This thread is turning into a bottomless pit.
Last night there were 30+ new players online. With new advertising coming this way you can plan on seeing servers holding alot more than 400 peeps at once. You had better find a tight group of buds and stick with em cause AH is getting ready to burst wide open.
scrmble err...beet1e must be flying rook. rooks suck as far as people are concerned. Nits arent a whole lot better but the bish I fly with are straight up. Always helping out. Lots of s and 6calls when Im on. WTfG BiSh!!
Also, I sensed some disrespect towards we players in AH coming from beet1e err....scrmble in the offending AGW thread. I know Im not the only one that picked up on it. Perhaps there is a underlying reason that no one seems to want to be nice and lovey dovey with the guy online. Not a slam. Im just participating in the discussion, honestly :)
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I don't get what you guys are talkin about....I get loved on all the time in Bishland...six calls, folks savin my butt and just general good info.....................oh wait........................I only fly with my squadmates.:)
Seriously, I can only speak of what its like in Bishland....folks really are helpful here...lotsa 6 calls, good tactical info and just a general effort to help out.
Whoever is whinin, beetle of scrmbl or whoever, perhaps reapin what ya sow could change things for ya....of course, it's always easier to poop on the other person rather than look to yourself eh?
I flew in WB's since the CK days....when you first began in WB's, you were less cynical...now that you are used to being known in WB's and come here where you are a dweeb again, I'm not suprised you're unhappy. Think about it...from what pool of personal experience can you draw from where there are 4-500 folks online(a large percentage are new), and you attempt to compare it to WB's....not a valid or fair comparison.
I'm so busy tryin to stay alive and get my kills, I don't even know who you are other than what I've seen on this board. Why not say hi every once and awhile while online...betcha if I'm not engaged, you'll get a Heyas from me and my squad along with the majority of other Bishops as well.:)
It's a new gig for ya....why not give out what ya want back?
As for Rip, he can't help himself...he drives the little BMW:)
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Originally posted by Rude
As for Rip, he can't help himself...he drives the little BMW:)
But its so fun! :) (and beats virtual racing everyday!)
(http://www.bmwpugetsound.com/images/PR2002/Image7.jpg)
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hehe - all this, out of a silly joke on the WB-AGW board :D
Yeager is right - it's going on and on. And I read crtch='s thread about WB disunity in WB3. I think it's all down to the payment policy. In the days when we paid $2 to play WB, no-one wasted their time with stupid stuff. With large monthly bills, people were dedicated enthusiasts. Of course, people experimented as a means of gaining experience, but you tended not to see what I saw earlier in the MA - an F4U that brought two bombs to the enemy field, and dived in despite four hostile planes around him. Sure enough, he was dead soon after. Now that we're paying only $14.95/mo to play AH or $25/mo to play WB3, the charges are not sufficient to keep the riffraff at bay! But that's OK. The CT is growing on me. The quakers soon get bored in there.
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Originally posted by beet1e
- an F4U that brought two bombs to the enemy field, and dived in despite four hostile planes around him.
HAY!
That's *my* strategy! Quit tellin people! ;)
dh
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...the charges are not sufficient to keep the riffraff at bay!
Interesting comment coming from someone decrying the "unfriendly community.";)
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Ripsnort I thought I told you guys to stay off my driveway.
Mebbe I should charge you guys for the privy...
hrrmph....
Beet1e,
AH is turning out to be uniquely unique amongst the MMOGs. It has the largest cross section of styles and players in the genre. It has its bad moments of course but the future should be interesting. Over time you will recognize who to hang with and who to let hang (no hangtime pun intended).
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my guess is that beetle (and others) started WB with a different attitude than when starting AH.
that may have something to do with the response from the (perceived) community. Also, with the influx of so many people (when have you seen numbers like this in WB???) there are bound to be more of the 'less-friendly' types.
just a mirror or society. When you have more apples to choose from, you'll find more rotten apples.
Conversely, you'll find more good people too. Just take a little time, look a little deeper.
IMO in the MA there is just less time to converse, help out, etc.
reason??? so many cons, so little time !!!
Welcome to AH
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Originally posted by maddog1
Hey... Welcome beet1e.....
What more can we do.... HT even put clouds and overcast in to make you UK people feel more at home...........:D
LOL...good humour here at least, no?
Welcome beet1e...lemme know if I can help you in any way...then I'll forward your question to Ripsnort for the answer!
;)
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Originally posted by beet1e
hehe - all this, out of a silly joke on the WB-AGW board :D
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Now that we're paying only $14.95/mo to play AH or $25/mo to play WB3, the charges are not sufficient to keep the riffraff at bay! But that's OK. The CT is growing on me. The quakers soon get bored in there.
Well, no flame or anything here, but in defense of the F4U, he might have been on a mission, and his objective might have been to drop that ord on a target, so he sacrificed himself for the mission, who knows? but, he also might have just said heck with it, i'm droppin my bombs on that target, and will sort out the cons after. The beauty of AH, WB etc is that it's your plane, your entertainment, to do what you please. I disagree with lumping people that do this into a "Riffraff" stereotype. I flew Wb before i came to AH, enjoyed Wb while i was there, but found AH to my liking back in 1.03. I'm certainly not a great pilot, prolly not even "Mediocre" , but i fly to have fun, and enjoy the game. I'm sorry your start in Ah wasn't the most friendly, I was blessed with having a great guy introduce me to some really good people, and i've been with that squad since i started. There's always going to be a percentage of the "community" that are not the most hospitable, that's a part of the game. That's part of life :) My only advice would be to find a group of people that you get along with, and don't worry about the rest. Welcome to AH tho, and i hope you find people to fly with that suit your playing style.
enjoy,
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Hammy's just hoping you'll buy him a beer...
jk
oh.. wait..
buy me one instead :)
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This game would suck with no possibility of HO attacks.
AW was that way. Every time a C47 would turn into a fighter, use its fake frontal armor for an impenatrable defense, my belief was absolutely stunned.
The HO adds such a vast amount of tactics, strategy and options. Truly makes the game more fun.
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So I went over there.. Got all wispy eyed when I saw posts by my old CO No6.
On his sig he's got the url for the 4th Fighter Group... Haven't checked his page in years. No6 and Snake-eyes are the only names I remember.
They're still flying.
He's got graphics of all the old scenearos Kiel, Fortress Germany, Solomans Solomans 2...
(sob)
He's even got old AARs from 1995 my name is still on the list.
Heh.. I noticed on one of his posts he wishes IEN would build a W.Germany map that includes Berlin.
(waaaaaa shhhh cowboys don't cry)
Oh I'm gonna have to send Micheal a note.. Beetle can you do me a favor an say hello to No6 from =Bear=?