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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on February 26, 2002, 11:19:38 AM
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Which do you prefer between the 2 in the AH MA? I very rarely go over 11k in either and do most of the fighting below that. The B model, other than the gun package, seems to work best for me. It seems to handle better at low alt than the D.
Opinions?
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The few times that I fly the P-51, I go with the D. Mainly because it has 6 guns, more ammo and better visibilty out of the cockpit. I am probably not the best person to answer, but I thought I would anyways. :)
-math
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D because of good visibility, and gun package.
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Rip, remember when the B first came out and we did a sortie with rockets? Good grief, what a hog! Damnable rails stayed on and we forgot about it.
Good thing Comanche wasn't a cusser, lol.
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I like the B for hi alts.
But for lower alts I like the D with 4 guns. Its lighter and performs better.
And both still RRRRUUUUNNN hehe
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Yah, seems like the drag ratio with those rockets after they were expended is alittle overmodeled.
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<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>......:D
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P-51D
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What the B does lack punch it has better acceleration and turning ability. Not much better than the D variant, but there is a difference.
The D has better weapon options for A2G missions, and definately has better visibility coupled with a cleaner airframe.
Bottom line: try them both on for size and if the shoe fits, wear it.
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Dem's fighten words!
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Yah know.. I find myself on the opposite side of the fence from most folks on the two pony variants.. and I think the B model just plain sucks hind tit to the D in virtually every catagory.
The D for me turns better, high or low. The D for me accels and dives better.. high or low. The D climbs better. The D has a better gun package, better vis and has a good ords package.
In short, there is nothing a B does that the D does not do better.
IN MY OPINION.
Now, I've spent some more time in the B in the CT, hoping it would 'grow' on me like the F6F did.. no soap. Found it has a more pronounced and sudden stall than the D.. she don't 'talk' to me like the D does. She feels 'heavy', less nimble at low low stall fighting speeds. Maybe it has a slower roll, and it surely has a heavy feel to her till she gets up above 300ias... even then she's more sluggish in all manuvers than a D. She just can't climb as well as the D either. She's left me feeling like she's another airplane entirely.. aside from the flaps functioning at the same speed as the D it does nothing else like it or nearly as well.. and it's 'e' retention is lousy compared to the D... again, that's MY opinion...
I have no testing to back this up, no exhaustive documentation on the two planes performance.. it's all 'feel'.. and thats the WORST evaluation technique to base a negative judgement on.. but there it is. I guess, in a nutshell, the B does not give me the confidence the D does.
Historicly speaking, the B should have better accel, better vis down forward and to the rear (malcom hood), should be lighter to the touch, more competent than the 'D' in a stall fight, be better than the D down low and have at least as good a zoom climb and have that snappy 'e' feel the D exhibits at speed. Sadly, it just ain't the plane i figured it shoulda been..
The AH 'B' was my biggest dissapointment.. it just ain't what I'd hoped it would be.. IN MY OPINION!
(zips up flame suit)
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The D model is my choice.....Depending on what I intend to do on a particular sortie, I load her both ways...4guns or 6guns.
Plus, I'm old and I need to be able to see:)
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P-51D Mustang...I never get tired of flying it, and like it more everytime I get wheels up. Great all-around airplane flown by some of the greatest American hero's.........What Hangtime said.
Thorns
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I prefer the burning variety of Mustang.
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Hangime is gay.
SOB
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Kurt Tank is gay and smokes leather tampons. He also had a funky fedora that wound up lost in S.F. during a gay tubesteak orgy which is where mrfish found it. And SOB is jealous because he didn't get a crack at that gay power LW hat which mrfish eventually sent to animatard before mason and i deficated in it....
(we only wanted to crap in it SOB, not wear it, so we ain't officaly gay, ok??)
..which incidentally was held at the PR customs post office because they thought it was gay and smelly, and therefore undoubtably dangerously infested with LW spawned anthrax spores and had to see for themselves the demented turd lovin butt finger sniffin nutcase (animal) that would claim ownership of such a thing, let alone wear it in public...
... but they let him have it anyway after he tried it on for 'em because it has some voodo toejam written inside it (El sombrero magico del Diablo) giving the wearer some totally incandesent power over the leather tampon types and the minions of the postal service...
...really!
True story!!
I swear!
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whoopeeit Hangtime!
Someone put some X on your weed stash. Probably bigtoeral!
(poor souls with no access to the FDB BBS, they think we are on crack or something. They are missing out)
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B because its green :D weii we someday have the A-36 ?
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Hangtime is gay . . . and on drugs.
SOB
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Yah know.. I find myself on the opposite side of the fence from most folks on the two pony variants.. and I think the B model just plain sucks hind tit to the D in virtually every catagory.
The D for me turns better, high or low. The D for me accels and dives better.. high or low. The D climbs better. The D has a better gun package, better vis and has a good ords package.
I find the EXACT same thing Hang. Then again, Ive been flying the 51D for close to 2 years now here in AH. Thing fits me like a glove.
-Ding
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Beyond the canopy/view issues, its that nastier stall thing that gets to me in the B. In the D, I have surprised more than a few Spit pilots with good snap turns/snapshots. I have a much harder time pushing the limits of the B. If I get it right, its great. But much more frequently than the D, in the middle of a hard turn I stall, snap roll, and hit the ground before I can recover.
Especially because the plane is not designed for it, I love mixing it up in the mud at low speeds... at least with a D :)
I would love to see an Allison Mustang. Of course a version with the 4x20mms would be nice, but I would settle for the 4/6x0.50s options as well. Historically it would be incorrect because they were wired shut, but I would love the dive brakes on the A-36..
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Streak, the 'dive brakes wired shut' bit is a myth. See below...
A sort of urban legend has sprung up about the A-36A's dive brakes. According to some stories, the dive brakes of the A-36A were next to useless and were deliberately wired shut at the manufacturers so that they could not be used. This story is totally incorrect. On the contrary, the dive brakes proved to be quite effective in combat, and the aircraft was so stable with the dive brakes extended that bombing while in a dive was particularly accurate. The origin of this legend seems to have been in the United States, at a time before the Invaders first went overseas. It seems that A-36A pilots were told by their officers in the USA that their dive brakes would be all but useless in combat and it would be best if they simply wired them shut. This turned out to be incorrect, and the dive brakes were used to great effect throughout the Sicilian campaign and the Italian invasion.
A36A historical data (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_6.html)
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I don't think it is entirely a myth, I have seen equally credible documentation by pilots that flew them in combat that support them as being wired shut.
Either way it is inconsequential. AH doesn't model hardly any of the technical problems these aircraft actually had beyond compressibility effects. So, I would like to see this little problem ignored as well for my own entertainment (myth or not).
Beyond the guns feed/jam problems due to the original sideways installation and the restricted visibility, Mustangs had major landing gear problems!!!
P-38s had so many problems (too many to list ;)), they replaced them with Mustangs :)
F-4U had so many problems, they gave them to the Marines. Of course the Marines did so well with them, the Navy asked for them back :)
The Bf109 was obviously a great plane in the hands of a skilled pilot, but most pilots couldn't even taxi or land without damaging or crashing it.
The F6Fs only real problem is that the F4U was better ;)
If AH can neglect all these things for all these other aircraft, can they please give me an A-36 with functional diver brakes? I tried flying it in WB3, but I can't stand WB3 flight modeling and its graphics don't mix so well with the Voodoo.
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It's a myth.
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D model for all occasions. D turns as well as the B at low alts with 4 guns. Plus the D is vastly superior in terms of speed below 25k and visablility.
The B is faster from 27+ K and between 13-16K and thats it.
What ya wanna turn in a pony for anyways??