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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Dawggus on March 01, 2002, 11:48:47 PM
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Hiya All :)
AAR - TOD Frame #2
Nightmares fielded 18 F4u-1D's, upping from CV41 and proceeding North as an advance fighter sweep of the Mongrels' main strike force of Hellcats, targeting Port 28. Nightmares entered the target area at 25k, making contact with approximately 5 Niki's, which were shot down with no losses.
At that point, the Mongrel strike force was called in, while the Nightmares swept the Port, expending remaining rockets and destroying many ground targets and gun emplacements, losing 5 planes to heavy ground fire. Then, the remaining 13 Nightmares established a protective CAP West of the Port, while the main strike force of Hellcats completely pummelled Port 28 into the ground.
The Nightmares followed the Mongrels out of the target area, providing high rear cover. On the RTB, one plane had to ditch due to an oil leak from ground fire, and six other Nightmares suddenly froze and were disconnected. The remaining six Nightmares recovered at CV41, landing successfully.
Four re-up'd for a CAP of CV41, three of those eventually disconnecting as well, and the final plane put a nice dent in the conning tower trying to stick his second landing ;). Very fun night folks, thanks to all attending, and WTG Mongrels on an excellent Port attack!
Cya Up!
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Flew an F6F with MAG33. Took off twice, did my mission and by God I landed back down on that deck twice. I'm still walking on air.
That's my AAR. It's short but sweet. I'm just damn happy not to have gotten shot down this time or even worse augered (As I usually do) on approach :D
Westy
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MAG-33 AAR
We launched approximately 6 TBM's and 10 F6F's from CV41 to hunt the TF north of our CV. The TF was located by our scouts and vectored the TBM's onto the target. One TBM was lost to AA fire from the TF and Jimbear managed to sink one ship, I believe it was an escort destroyer. Upon RTB (return to boat :) -) many of our F6F drivers managed a perfect three point landing with the main gear and the nose of the plane ;) . We lost 3 or 4 to this new landing technique, which looked good, but critically hampered the re-use of the plane. Ripsnorts aircraft, a TBM, suffered a landing gear failure and bellied onto the CV. Some believe this was intentional due to pending recreational activities. That will probably be one of those great mysteries of the ToD.
We rolled a second time, however, we were unable to locate the TF this time within the alotted time. We did see alot of water, though. Lots and lots of water. Vulcan swears he heard singing sirens, but we think his turret was sucking in exhaust fumes. Where are those PBY's when you need them? All TBM's and scout/escorts RTB'd just in time, but we lost one when he trapped the first wire and a gust of wind blew him off the back of the boat. During the event, we also lost two aircraft due to mechanical failure.
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Launched a heavy P-47D 25 with 2x1000 and 1x500 and headed NW from A4. After reaching approximately 10k we started seeing some specks to the North of our position. There were only 7 of us since one guy had some mechanical difficulties and could not get rolling. I don't know where our fighter cover was but that is not the point. We all dumped ordinance and ran like hell once we saw not just the first 6 Ki-61's above us about 15k but what appeared to be 25 Ki-61's up there above us.
We lost two guys on the way out since they got jumped by 6 Ki-61's and had to fight instead of running. I had at least 1 trailer on me as I headed southeast to the base and I don't know how that plane stuck with me in my speed dive. I pulled out south of the base at A4 and headed west to get some altitude and separation. When I turned north I saw a Ki-61 alone turning lazy circles trying to get up to 12k with me. I turned in on him and popped a few rounds as I ran to help my squadron mates who were engaged and screaming for help. As I went in to help we lost one more member to a collision with an enemy plane. That brough the number down to 4 on roughly 10-15 enemy fighters. I rolled in on a pair of Japanese fighters as they were chasing my two squadron mates and let loose some rounds when I was inside of 600 yards (I know long shot odds but they broke anyway.). We turned and the next thing I saw were tracers from 3 different directions zip by my Jug. Then I lost my right wing tip and had to crash in the narrow straight north of A4. Right about then the remaining members of my squadron all called out in the universal pilot code for something going wrong...."Aww S#$%!".
I got picked up by the PT boats in the area of the base and we are waiting on two others who were spotted and have been picked up. That makes a recovery of 6 of 7 pilots since one guy was reported to have crashed into the side of a mountain.
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56th FG launched 8 P-47D-25 with 75% fuel, center drop tank, and 2x1000lb bombs from A4. We climbed out to the NE. LJK and 56th FG were both heavy jugs tasked with hitting A1. We flew separate course to enhance our chances of getting through and luckily we avoided enemy to the target area. At A1, we destroyed all 5 aircraft hangars, all anti-aircraft guns, and at least one fuel tank with no losses.
On the way back, we encountered several Ki-61s at low altitude up from A3 heading south. We attacked and destroyed at least 5 of them. Continuing on to A4, we found that the enemy had dispersed or was destroyed. We refueled, and a few of our aircraft (including my own) were unable to continue--one due to damage and two due to real life. Nomde took over the squad, now joined by two 13TAS P-38s. They swept A3 and continued to A1, strafing down the remainder of ground targets flattening A1.
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Well, I feel at least partially avenged then. :)
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Well, Kratzer, on the way back as Sancho says, we found the Ki-61s low and scattered, and ripe for mauling; they must have been pretty surprised to see us. Meanwhile, what was left of the 13TAS was apparently chewing them up over A4.
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Mongrels launched 14 heavy Hellcats from CV 41 with 2-1000 lb bomb, rockets and 100% fuel. Ghosth was flight lead and took us north. One fighter had a rudder malfunction but was able to hold it up and continue to target. We were escorted by the Nightmares to port 28. We spotted some dots that shadowed us for part of our flight then turned east away from the target while the Nightmares cleared the target area. Once we were given the all clear we dropped on the port, which had already taken some damage. Ack was light and we lost one fighter that took a direct hit and was seen striking the water just off shore. No chute was visible. The port was completely destroyed and covered in smoke with in 3 minutes. Reports of another fighter lost, but this is unconfirmed. Ghosth gave the order to exit the area incase the enemy was bringing in fighters.
Good time had by all. :)
On the way home to CV 41 at least 5 Mongrels experienced a lock up and had to reboot.
Launched - 14
Lost ~ 2
Ground targets destroyed ~ 12
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4 wing.. launched CV25 flew east.. chased a couple F4's from the MAWs...
flew to TG17 hi cap...
Landed with 15 mins left..
only ever saw 2 F4's the WHOLE EVENT
Not sure why I stayed up for it...
SKurj
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I took off...flew about 5 minutes....got jumped by about 500 Ki61s...and died. It was fun.
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Yep be careful what you ask for Skurj. :)
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Originally posted by Dinger
Well, Kratzer, on the way back as Sancho says, we found the Ki-61s low and scattered, and ripe for mauling; they must have been pretty surprised to see us. Meanwhile, what was left of the 13TAS was apparently chewing them up over A4.
I think we would've been much better off had the 56th ditched ordinance and assisted in fighting the Ki61s - with another 8 aircraft that fight would've been a completely different story, we could've held them and probably destroyed a good number of them, and the arrival of the 13th would've just sealed their fate. After that we could've all landed, rearmed, and run the attack sortie unopposed. Probably would've been a better use for us than just dragging the bad guys down onto the deck and being overwhelmed, though I am glad that resulted in you and the 13th being able to hit them from an advantage. Anyhoo...
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Originally posted by Sundog
MAG-33 AAR
Ripsnorts aircraft, a TBM, suffered a landing gear failure and bellied onto the CV. Some believe this was intentional due to pending recreational activities. That will probably be one of those great mysteries of the ToD.
Well, lets just say it wasn't intentional, but the wife thinks it was ;) ;)
Sundog, thanks for posting the AAR, also, check the MAG-33 bulletin when you get time, I have a message in there for ya.
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to Kratzer and the LuftjagerKorps for letting me fly with them. I had a blast, even thought I was the first guy to buy the farm in the whole show. I think there were still people taking off and I was already seaweed. Was the most fun I've had this side of a scenario. Thanks again
-Sikboy
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Rip,
I haven't had access to the MAG-33 boards since the change over to the new BBS. Did you submit my name to Ronni to access it? If not you can always e-mail me :)
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I think LJK would have been much better off if they had not taken the obvious direct course to the target, and instead followed the 56th on their more stealthy approach. But they took the direct route and not surprisingly ran into an Axis interceptor force who used the devious tactic of flying towards the nearest enemy field.
LJK would also have been better off if they had used their vastly superior speed and diving ability to disengage from those Tonys instead of getting mixed up in a dogfight.
I think the frame CO is partly to blame. If you have two squadrons hitting the same target from the same base, they should be put under command of a group leader. That way they fly together and support each other much better than a pair of independent squadrons. Instead, 56th FG orders said nothing about protecting LJK, so 56th focused (with much success) on carrying out their objective of destroying A1 airfield.
In addition, the side CO should have given both squadrons a route to the target that was better than the one used by LJK. Heading straight for the nearest enemy field is a sure way to make contact with the enemy.
Finally there should have been some sort of briefing to explain to our pilots that the Jug can outrun the Ki-61 easily at any altitude.
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Originally posted by funkedup
LJK would also have been better off if they had used their vastly superior speed and diving ability to disengage from those Tonys instead of getting mixed up in a dogfight.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but this is what I was in the process of doing when we bought it. Once we realised how many of them there were, and at what alt, Kratzer gave the order to bug, and we bugged. My wingman and I were tail end charlie, and got beat in the footrace. They had too much of an alt advantage for us, since we had to drop ord and reverse course. One was saddled on my wingman, so i gave him a scare, thought I could finish him, and BOOM I was done. Not much Kratzer could have done differently to save Parsifal and myself.
-Sikboy
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Uhhhh....Funked...your sarcasm is duly noted....but we did not take the direct route to our target. In fact, we coordinated with the 56th prior to takeoff to ensure that neither of us took a direct route to target. We headed due NW towards their HQ and were set to then turn NE at a certain point. Unfortunately, the enemy decided to take the same route to their target. We also (well I did) extensive testing of our speed and capabilities versus our likely opponents. I informed everyone in the squad that we could outrun any Zeke without dropping ordnance and we could outrun any Tonys easily if we dumped our ordnance. Upon realizing we were facing Tonys, the order was given to dump ordnance, and we used our speed to race south out of harms way. We lost 1 pilot during this because he dumped his ord too late. Once we were all safe, we had 2 choices: Keep running, or do our best to defend our home field from the incoming strike. We decided we would do our best to defend it. In the middle of this, a second, higher flight of Tonys showed up and took away any altitude and energy advantage we had. As a result, we were vastly outnumbered and died quickly.
I appreciate your assumption that we are a bunch of handsomehunkes though.
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LOL I guess I made an bellybutton out of U and ME. :)
Sorry man.
Easy for me to talk about an engagement I never saw I guess.
I still blame the Frame CO!
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Originally posted by funkedup
I still blame the Frame CO!
I am to blame then, since Ammo was unable to attend the TOD.
I saw an opportunity to use the LJK as fodder for the Ki61s. They would be killed off but the Tonys would be distracted enough for us to make our strike and then they'd be weakened enough so they'd be easy pickings when we came back. MUHAHAHA!! :D
Seriously, I did tell the LJK CO that our two strike forces would take separate routes to the target--they went NW, we went NE. The purpose of this was to maximize our chances of having one group get through to the target if the other was intercepted. It could have easily been my group that was intercepted, and if that were the case I would have wanted the LJK to go on and carry out our orders. No matter how much I might beg for help. Really. :D
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I guess I approach these events with the primary objective being not getting a lot of us killed... it's with that idea in mind that I think it is better to have strong forces that can support each other if needed, and do the attack later if necessary... no biggie... just wish I'd taken some of the Ki61s with me.