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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: EvilDingo on March 02, 2002, 08:41:19 PM
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I am prepared to offer the following: Alcoholic Beverage (http://www.internetwines.com/pa95154.html)
For the following: Reggiane Re 2005 (http://www.aldini.it/re2005/index.htm)
Well, either that or the Fiat G55.
Pros:
- It's good! But not too good!
- To my knowledge, you'd be the first to model it in an online sim
- It's a great BnZ'er for Italian AC enthusiasts
- It would diversify the arena even more
- It saw combat in Italian and German squadrons
- It's slightly less ugly than the 202/205
Cons:
- Not many were produced
- It's only slightly less ugly than the 202/205
Personally, I can see people griping about how this or that country needs more attention, but they're not offering a bribe!
The page I linked to has some nice pictures plus cockpit photos.
Dingo
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I like it. But prolly as a perk. 421 mph max speed at 6000ft? with 3 20mm's + 2 12.7's?
Thats like an La7.. almost. Wonder if it turns well :)
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Looks like a pretty nasty arena aircraft. It would certainly get used.
Hooligan
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Actually, Evildingo, you left out the best reason for including it in the planeset.
It will carry 2,200 pounds of bombs. None of the current Axis planes (as modeled in AH) will carry that loadout.
curly
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Actually Curly, from that page it looks like it can carry more. 2200 lbs or Drop Tank under fuselage + 2 hardpoints for either 2 smaller drop tanks or 2 353 lbs bomb. Would give it a bomb load 2906 lbs, that's enough for a hanger :)
ADD IT!
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Uhmmm, just read the history about it...
The Reggiane had good behaviour in close dogfight and , according to General Minguzzi, who flew both Re 2005 and Spitfire, was even better than the Spit in tight turns and handling.
Here sissyfires here! :D
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Add PZL p11c please!
here is my beautie! (http://republika.pl/pzl_p11c/indexger.htm)
Two main reasons:
1. Add it and you can do "IX '39" scenario! (1st time ever i bet) :cool:
2. StSatan 'll have another "extreme" plane to fly in ;) noone can tell that's uber
...need to add another one...
You 'll see all 308th in it at squad night and you 'll see me ONLY in it :)
(http://republika.pl/pzl_p11c/05.jpg)
(http://republika.pl/pzl_p11c/motor.jpg)
thank you
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And a 109 B and C please so we have something to slaughter it in :D
You have to send in some bribes too though Bike ;)
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Wilbus, our MOB have FD-Ski right on place there ;). I think he's the person to send something to HTC. what about Polish Vodka?
pick some :) my recomendations - Żubrówka, Palace (http://www.polmos.bialystok.pl/)
this are from Cracow - like 308th Squadron! (http://www.polmos.krakow.pl/index_e.htm)
my choice is IDEAL VODKA from here (http://www.vodka-polish.com/index3.html)
Danzig here (http://www.wodki.gda.pl/angielska/index.htm)
definetly Copernicus! (http://www.polmos.torun.pl/english/t5.html)
BELVEDERE - everyone need to try it :) (http://www.belvedere-zyrardow.com.pl/zdj/spo_fot.html)
this is enought?
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HEY! HEY YOU! Get your own bribe thread! This is for the Re 2005! :)
Tac, you mentioned it's high speed at ground level. That's very true, but look at it's speed at 13k. 351mph! It loses 80 mph top speed in only a few k of altitude. Though, I'm not arguing it would be one mean aircraft in the MA.
I don't know about perking it on performance alone. It's quite fast, but doesn't exceed any of the exisiting non-perked aircraft.
My rough (and probably mostly incorrect) etimate was that it climbed at around 4000fpm. So it likely had excellent acceleration too!
Edit: Upon closer inspection of my hideous math skills, it's climb was likely closer to 3000fpm.
Dingo
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Uhmm, yes, make sure you write that those bribes are for a DO335 aswell ;)
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(http://www.aldini.it/re2005/Re2005trequarti1s.jpg)
Reggiane Re 2005 Sagittario
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"6,560 ft / 2,000 m: 421 mph / 678 kph
13,120 ft / 4,000 m: 351 mph / 565 kph
22,800 ft / 6,950 m: 421 mph / 678 kph
22,965 ft / 7,000 m: 421 mph / 678 kph"
and at 22k its back to 421 (unless its a typo).
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personaly being italian and irish. i would love to see it. but i would love to se a spit or a hurra in irish squadren colors:D VIVA ITALIA VIVA ITALIA VIVA ITALIA VIVA ITALIA:D :D
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Originally posted by EvilDingo
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I am prepared to offer the following: Alcoholic Beverage (http://www.internetwines.com/pa95154.html)
For the following: Reggiane Re 2005 (http://www.aldini.it/re2005/index.htm)
Well, either that or the Fiat G55.
Pros:
- It's good! But not too good!
- To my knowledge, you'd be the first to model it in an online sim
- It's a great BnZ'er for Italian AC enthusiasts
- It would diversify the arena even more
- It saw combat in Italian and German squadrons
- It's slightly less ugly than the 202/205
Cons:
- Not many were produced
- It's only slightly less ugly than the 202/205
Personally, I can see people griping about how this or that country needs more attention, but they're not offering a bribe!
The page I linked to has some nice pictures plus cockpit photos.
Dingo
Make sure it's the 12 year old stuff! Thats the GOOOOOOOD Cragganmore! ::D
Palef
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seeing as i was the person to already bribe HTC, i'd hate to inform you that it will also take something for pyro, art boys ( they like vodka and kaluaa ) and should prabably get something for the ladies as well.
And that was just for the paintjob on the upcoming plane.
For a whole new plane, you're looking at crates pal :D
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Well.... I do manage a liquor store...hmmmm...
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I can think of one potential reason that the G.55 would be 'perked', but it's an odd one.
I can't remember where I read this stuff, but the gist of it is that those G.55s were waiting a long time for German engines.
Now the Italian air force guys were really into acrobatics - moreso than most other air forces of the same era. There are stories of how Italian pilots were against enclosed cockpits because they liked the 'feel' they got from semi enclosed cockpits when they were performing acrobatics. And there are accounts from British pilots fighting against the Italians where the British pilots were commenting on how precise and well coordinated the maneuvers conducted by the Italians were.
In short - they were acrobatic junkies. 8)
Anyways, there was this comparison between the Spitfire and the G.55 done by a British pilot who flew both (it wasn't Brown), and the comparison is not what you would expect. It was a comparison between mass production and hand crafting. Basically, this British pilot said something to the effect of "When the squadron received a new batch of Spitfires, the CO and the XO went out and flew each one. They then kept the 2 best machines for themselves."
His point throughout the writeup was that when aircraft are mass produced, every once in awhile you are going to get an aircraft that is exceptionally well fitted and balanced, and you are going to get some at the other end of the spectrum as well. This difference was apparently noticable and mattered when it came to the combat maneuvering of the aircraft.
He then went on to explain how those G.55s, while waiting for engines and in the possession of an air force known for its love of well handling aircraft, were hand tuned and retuned with balance and other such things checked over and over and over. And because of this, every one of those G.55s was basically a very meticulously hand crafted fighter. They were all real 'hot rods'.
They did pretty good too. I recall an account of U.S. bombers escorted by P-38s running into a small group G.55s and our guys ran into the fight of their lives. I think one of the leading P-38 aces of the war was actually killed in combat with G.55s or MC.205s if memory serves. I'm sure some P-38 psycho can dredge up the details within 2 or 3 minutes of reading this post. 8)
Anyways, with an aircraft like the Ki-84 - you've got 'some' cases where performance was less than test data showed because of poorly manufactured engines.
But in this case you have an entire class of fighter types that got some of their 'ability' from the fact that they were basically hand made.
There are some cool ideas along these lines for perking however. I read about how Spitfires and P-47s often flew with higher octane fuel than they were tested with. Maybe let them fly with a 'higher octane FM' for a couple of perk points from a field that has no damage to fuel facilites. With some of the later war IJN and LW aircraft to get the 'tested' FM you have to pay a couple of perk points (again, from a base with no fuel damage) to fly a Fw 190D using fuel of a quality that didn't exist much in the closing days of WW2.
Just ideas. 8)
But the G.55 by all accounts was a real killer. It never 'made the front pages' probably because by the time it was deployed there wasn't that much time left where the Italian air force was in full blown combat with the Allies. And as a % of total fighters faced by the Allies in the Meditteranean theater it was't that common.
I think alot of people would be in for a shock.
Mike/wulf14 (wulfie of WB infamy)
Future P.R. agent of lazs 8)
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The japanese pilots were trained to maintain 'coordination', to perform their aerobatics properly etc..
In the end... it got many of em killed..
SKurj
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FIAT? LOL!!!
I'm hijacking this thread! Take this thread to Cracow!!!
P.11c to AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.raf303.org/308/photos/gnyspainting.jpg)
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P11c, first fighter fighing in ww2, father of couple american planes /M - wing/, best diver early years of ww2
yes i need him:)
we have 2 "spagetti" uberfighters, AH need another one?
greetings
ramzey
ps. btw imho half of polish players will come to AH to fly this plane;))
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(wulf14 sits at the controls of the Fw 200, droning thru the skies on the way to Mexico. Sure the Fw 200 wasn't much fun to fly, but his joystick was busted and a Fw 200 was about all he cared to fly with a gamepad. Besides, the Swedish Bikini team sleeping in back had been desparate for trasnsportation to Mexico, hadn't they?)
(loud pounding on door to cockpit)
wulf14: "Yes? Do you need another drink?"
drex (waking from Jagermeister induced nap in P2 position, using a very groggy and pissed off voice): "Jesus do those broads ever stop drinking? And I thought we had a drinking problem."
(repeated pounding, followed by screamed demands in some language that doesn't use nearly enough vowels)
(a small light lights up on the instrument panel - a light attached to a strange looking instrument that you wouldn't expect to see in the cockpit of a Fw 200 - a tone also begins to issue from said strange little instrument)
drex (instantly fully awake and alert): "Oh toejam. There's no way? Is there?"
wulf14 (voice filled with wondrous awe): "How in the hell could they be on board? I mean they're all such annoying little skinny guys and the Swedes don't like 'em those girls would kick their bellybutton and toss them right off the aircraft? Right?"
wulf14 and drex in unison: "The bastards bribed our ladies with Polish vodka. And they accepted the bribe. What potatos ."
wulf14 keys his microphone/headseat and rapidly speaks into it: "This is Jagermeister One Four. Enroute to Cancun International. We've got a warning tone coming from the Notenoughvowelenpeeelevenhijackenalarm ".
A bored voice comes back into his headphones: "We copy that Jagermeister One Four. Reset alarm. Probably a false activation."
drex keys into the converstaion: "Negative we've got both a tone and a light."
(at that moment the cockpit door bursts open - 5 or 6 rather unnatractive individuals pour into the cockpit, swamping wul14 and drex at the controls - they all reek of impure non Russian vodka)
(down in the tower sounds comes in over the speakers - an obvious physical struggle puncuated with screamed words - "BASTARD!"..."MODEL THE MID WING!"..."IT'S NOT AN UGLY LITTLE AIRCRAFT"..."PUT DOWN MY GOLF CLUB YOU SPITFIRE FLYING squeak!"..."CANNONS ARE FOR SISSIES")
anonymous voice from cockpit of Fw 200, having a tough time with all vowels: "This is a prepared statement from the Polish Armed Front For the Modeling of Ugly Early War Aircraft That Don't Have Enough Cannons: This 'flight crew' and their 'cargo' will be held as hostages until that wonder of the skies, the P11C, is modeled in all it's MG-only armed mid winged glory. End of message".
(down in the tower all is quiet except for one voice)
anonymous voice in tower control room: "The bastards . They've hijacked another thread."
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Nice, although Swedish girls don't quite like Polish Vodka, they prefer Absolut Vodka or similair, beer is fine too, atleast the ones I know ;)
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Here you go! (http://www.zywiec.com.pl/english/indexe.html)
is now everyone satisfied?
well give me my PZL please... please... please...