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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: straffo on March 04, 2002, 07:01:26 AM
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Is there a way to use the rotary for triming ?
Or is this a planed evolution for AH ?
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What kind of controls do u use?
In the case u use TM TQS, it is very easy to program pitch trimming in the right side rotary knob.
U setup a range of nose up trim key strokes for up range and similar for nose down. The number of key strokes should be equivalent to the needed to trim all the range of the nose trimming.
Let me explain without ugly maths. Just trim nose full down, and then start to do single key presses for nose up trim. Once u get to the maximum nose up possition, program that number of key strokes for up and down range of the wheel. This way, from the center of the whell u have range enough to trim the entire range up or down.
Just remember to center the wheel each time u engange any autotrim mode.
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It's for a X36 .
Btw I can do like you using SGE but I would prefer a real analogic (sp?) triming like in that other sim about east front (no I don't have named it :D))
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Yes Straffo, would be nice as hell. Specially since trims in AH move so freaking slow.
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Uhh, Wilbus... Real aircraft trim does move slow... that's why it's called trim.
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Dux, depends much on Airplane I guess, I am a real life pilot, and my trim sure as hell don't move slow. Trim isn't supoesed to move slow, it's suposed to be accurate, can move fast.
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Good point, Wilbus... depends on aircraft. I've never felt that AH trims were slower than the R/L ones I've used. Then again, I've only ever used manual (wheel) trim, and not anything servo-driven.
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Well, I am only flying gliders my self, flown Cherokee aswell where the trim IS slow and is made by a little wheel over your head. IN th glider however, you can move the trim from fully back to fully forward in less then a second if you want to.
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works fine for me with x36 or x45.
just need to band it into three zones so center is off and it stays were u leave it ...
think we've had this discussion before :)
been using it with the 109 very well, just have to keep an eye on ur trim status. Better than the keyboard for me.
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Not quite what we mean Eagler, in IL2, you set the wheel to be the trim, then you move the wheel 20% left and surface, let's say elevator moves 20%, it doesn't keep moving like in AH, 20% wheel = 20% elevator moved etc.
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Wilbus
I know what you mean, but can't you get about the same thing with the setup I describe?
You just pull the wheel back to center (dead zone) to stop trim where you want.
I find the trim in IL2 weird as I cannot see how much I have kicked in.
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Rotary Axis support? I'm so sick of this bias towards the Axis. WTF is up with that. I want there to be Rotary Allied support just like there was IRL.
-Sikboy
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Eagler, well, I tried it before returning my X36 (didn't quite work, the stick that is) but it's not the same thing, as you said, you have to return it to the center, I didn't quite like this, I guess it's just a matter of getting used to, but with the IL2 way it feels more real, one place on the wheel is a certain place on the trim, doens't just keep going and going untill you center it.
matter of getting used to though, personally hope HTC can add suport as it is in IL2, you can always use the other way anyway :)
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Because AH trim is ON/OFF type, I use from trimming X36 mouse hat.
It works fine and I dont need take a look to the trim "gauges" because I can "feel" (ie. stick position vs FE information) my virtual plane.
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I tried setting my X36 up with bands, but I don't like that you have to move it, then move it back to stop it when it gets where you want to go, so I use my 'thumb' rotary for my wheel brakes, which just seems like a sad mis-use. I'd love to see support for both of them as elevator and aileron trim. I might even tear up.
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this is a quote from Kurt tank himself after his first flight in a 190:
'Hans Sander did the initial testing, then I flew the aircraft and found that she handled beautifully in the air.The work we had put into the flying controls had produced the results we wanted.I have aalways believed that a pilot should not have to use a great deal of muscle power to get an aeroplane to do what he wants.If the controls have been properly designed he should be able to conduct most manouvers with only a finger and thumb on the stick.In combat a high rate of roll is essential for a fighter, so that the pilot can make rapid changes in his direction of flight.The aileron stick forces had, however , to be kept to a maximum of about eight pounds because a mans wrist cannot exert a force much greater than that.We succeeded in getting the stick forces down and finally I had the aileron controls as i wanted them.The aircraft followed the movement of the stick precisely, with no initial tendancy to yaw.Compared with the ailerons, the other flying controls were relatively easy to design: stick forces were not so critical for the elevators and highest forces of all could be taken on the rudder pedals, because a mans legs are far stronger than his arms.'
Now would this designer design trim contrrols that require such a lengthy amount of time to adjust? trim controls were electric on 190s for elevators? wouldnt that mean they would be even faster than manual?(as in, the motor apllies greater pressure) otherwise why bother with electric controls at all?
I find most if not all aircraft's manual trimming in AH exceedingly detrimental to my SA.you have to watch the red bar to guage where it is.There is little feel from the nose pitching too high or low I find.Then again we have auto trim level etc which kind of negates a lot of the time needed to watch the trim and there is combat trim if you want to pretty much ignore trimming altogether, so its hard to see where this becomes a real problem for an average AH flyer.Its only when you really start to spend a lot of effort to master the finer arts of fighting that this snail like trim becomes a problem.
matching it to a roller/rotary control would be no worse than ignoring player controled prop pitch, fuel management etc and all those other things we leave auto for the sake of enjoyment. We dont fly in AH to be struggling trying to find a keyboard button to adjust a trim tab in combat and then to have to watch that little bar creep up slowly taking all your concentration.
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Okay, correct me if I'm wrong (am known to be quite often) but it seems that all this trim talk is focusing around ACM...? Trim (in R/L) is not meant to be an edge in dogfighting... it's a way of balancing the controls so that on long flights (to and from the furball) the pilot is not worn down by having to apply constant pressure this way or that. I made a 6-hour helicopter flight once... an aircraft that does NOT fly itself like a plane does... believe me, that trim was a BLESSING. Still, my cyclic arm was exhausted. But when it comes time to maneuver, you move the stick like normal, and don't rely on some secondary "trim mode" and hope it's going to move fast enough. Balancing an aircraft's control surfaces requires minute and incremental adjustments of the trim tabs... making them move faster would negate this fine adjustment.
I just don't believe that they are such a factor in ACM (in R/L) that you guys think they are.
My $0.02
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I think it is more a question of it being directly affected by the movement of a rotary axis - so if you moved the rotary knob a long way very quickly, it would move the trim quickly, if you moved a tiny bit, it would adjust a tiny bit. It doesn't directly affect ACM, but indirectly, the closer the aircraft is to being in trim, the less you will have to compensate for the effects of the out of trim surfaces during manuevering - in AH it is very noticable if you are using an automatic climb, and then exit the climb, even when using combat trim. Fighting that can make aiming more difficult...