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This sux :( I'm sure that Al Queda is getting a good pasting, but I hate losing Americans. 6 more have paid the price to keep us free, all I'm sure younger than most of us here. God be with them and their families :(
I've got/had a fealing that when winter ends over there we'll start seeing alot more action from Al Queda. I guess this is good it means more of them to die......
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Never heard of a war in which soldiers didn't die...
Very sad indeed, especially for those close to them but it has to be accepted as the cost of freedom from the nutbags of the world who back and support terrorism.. Some in DC already as murmoring we are in too deep. Wait till NOv. If we don't have another attack b4 then, you'll see the divide grow even larger. If there is another attack, everyone will run to the nearest flagpole and start the group hug all over again...
Seems strange that every death makes headlines, like the media either thought we could go into this, accomplish our objective and leave unscathed or they are just greasing their anti-war gears for later ...
Personally it just pisses me off further to hear about Americans dying over there cleaning up the worlds scum. THe next news "flash" I'd like to see is when McDOnald's opens in central Afganastan on its new HUGE paved parking lot ....
what ppl have to remeber is every American life lost in this war hasn't been lost in vain. They have given us terrorist free months since we started it..
If we hadn't invaded Afgan, how many other attacks do you think could have been planned and carried out on us?
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Originally posted by Eagler
Never heard of a war in which soldiers didn't die...
Very sad indeed, especially for those close to them but it has to be accepted as the cost of freedom from the nutbags of the world who back and support terrorism.. Some in DC already as murmoring we are in too deep. Wait till NOv. If we don't have another attack b4 then, you'll see the divide grow even larger. If there is another attack, everyone will run to the nearest flagpole and start the group hug all over again...
Seems strange that every death makes headlines, like the media either thought we could go into this, accomplish our objective and leave unscathed or they are just greasing their anti-war gears for later ...
Personally it just pisses me off further to hear about Americans dying over there cleaning up the worlds scum. THe next news "flash" I'd like to see is when McDOnald's opens in central Afganastan on its new HUGE paved parking lot ....
what ppl have to remeber is every American life lost in this war hasn't been lost in vain. They have given us terrorist free months since we started it..
If we hadn't invaded Afgan, how many other attacks do you think could have been planned and carried out on us?
I couldn't agree more Eagler! In the past I probobly would have done soul searching to see if I thought we were in this for the right reason.... Now hearing of these combat deaths makes me want to go join and serve my country (probobly a bit late for that now :() The only upshot to this is that they are reporting HUNDREDS of Al Queda deaths from this battle :) Our boys are doing us proud over there right now.
Screw the Hollings and Dashles in our congress, these guys don't have a freaking clue and are playing election year political games when we are at war, I hope that AMERICANS will see through their toejam and send them home at the next available oportunity.....
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It's unfortunate, Americans don't seem to have long term memory, or they get bored with causes... truly a pity.
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I think Daschle is right to question the presidency. That's his job.
Checks and balances...
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I think Daschle is right to question the presidency. That's his job.
Checks and balances...
TO a point I agree, but when it comes to stuff like this he should go up to Bush personaly and talk, NOT IN FRONT OF CAMERAS He's playing pure election year politics when we are at war, that to me is unforgivable. His intentions are to find ANYTHING to use agains Bush and/or Republicans so that the Democrats maintain control of the Senate (please God don't let that happen). He's a freakin disgrace to our nation as far as I'm conserned, him and Fritz Hollins or what ever his foghorn leghorn sounded sorry bellybutton name is.
If Dashle was really worried about the direction of the war he'd go to BUSH and talk, not the media. There is nothing the media can do to help the direction of this war which leads me to think that he's trying to damage the Presidents high poll numbers, sad and at a time of war could be dangerous...............
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My condolences to the families of the Americans killed...I hope my country(Canada) can get in there too with our meager forces and help squash these fanatical fukheads...Send them all to Alah and thier 87 virgins.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
My condolences to the families of the Americans killed...I hope my country(Canada) can get in there too with our meager forces and help squash these fanatical fukheads...Send them all to Alah and thier 87 virgins.
If I am not mistaken your Canadian special forces are part of this battle along with French, British and Norwegian service men.
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Udie wrote:
TO a point I agree, but when it comes to stuff like this he should go up to Bush personaly and talk, NOT IN FRONT OF CAMERAS He's playing pure election year politics when we are at war, that to me is unforgivable.
But back in 1999..
Lott On Clinton's Military Intervention in Iraq:
Senator Trent Lott (Republican, Majority Leader): "It's a--a responsible thing for a number of us, including me, to say when--I think that the policy of the timing is questionable, and I have done that." (CNBC News Transcripts December 17, 1998)
"Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) announced, 'I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time...Both the timing and the policy are subject to question.'" (New York Daily News, December 17, 1998)
"Senator Lott, who surprised some Republicans with his statement of opposition to an overseas military enterprise, said he favored a 'more clearly defined' operation." (New York Times, December 17,1998)
George W. Bush On Military Intervention:
"But I'm going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the exit strategy obvious." (Transcript, second presidential debate, November 11, 2000)
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) On Bush's War on Terrorism:
Question: "... Senator Byrd had discussed an expansion without direction. Can you elaborate on the (inaudible) of that?"
Senator Tom Daschle: "Well, I think there is expansion without at least a clear direction to date. But we will continue to ask the questions required to better understand that direction. And before we make commitments in resources, I think we need to have a clearer understanding of what the direction will be." (Daschle Press Conference, February 28, 2002)
Lott on Daschle:
"How dare Sen. Daschle criticize President Bush while we are fighting our war on terrorism, especially when we have troops in the field?" (Reuters, February 28, 2002)
Hehehe
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Udie wrote:
But back in 1999..
Lott On Clinton's Military Intervention in Iraq:
Senator Trent Lott (Republican, Majority Leader): "It's a--a responsible thing for a number of us, including me, to say when--I think that the policy of the timing is questionable, and I have done that." (CNBC News Transcripts December 17, 1998)
Was that the "war" clinton started literally 10 min before his house impeachment hearing started and ended literally within 15 minutes of the hearing's completion? Clinton's squealing lucky he doesn't get handed over as a war criminal......
"Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) announced, 'I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time...Both the timing and the policy are subject to question.'" (New York Daily News, December 17, 1998)
same "war" to cover his sorry IMPEACHED[/]b ass, a criminal act in my opinion (thank god for clinton my opinioin doesn't matter ;) )
"Senator Lott, who surprised some Republicans with his statement of opposition to an overseas military enterprise, said he favored a 'more clearly defined' operation." (New York Times, December 17,1998)
again the same "criminal war"............................. ..............
George W. Bush On Military Intervention:
"But I'm going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the exit strategy obvious." (Transcript, second presidential debate, November 11, 2000)
Had Bush started this war I'm sure he would have done so just like that, just remember who started this war ok.....
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) On Bush's War on Terrorism:
Question: "... Senator Byrd had discussed an expansion without direction. Can you elaborate on the (inaudible) of that?"
Senator Tom Daschle: "Well, I think there is expansion without at least a clear direction to date. But we will continue to ask the questions required to better understand that direction. And before we make commitments in resources, I think we need to have a clearer understanding of what the direction will be." (Daschle Press Conference, February 28, 2002)
UM TO KILL ALL TERRORISTS where ever they are!!!! you f**king handsomehunk liberal!!!!:mad:
Lott on Daschle:
"How dare Sen. Daschle criticize President Bush while we are fighting our war on terrorism, especially when we have troops in the field?" (Reuters, February 28, 2002)
He's absolutely freakin spot on correct. Damazinhunk is a politician thru and thru I doubt he knows how to spell the word strategy much less understand it's defenition. Lott's a hypocrite too, but in this instance he is absolutely correct.
Just so you know, I have about as much respect for lott as I do dashle................
Hehehe
Glad to know you think this is all funny......
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We missed you Udie.:)
Lott had come under attack from Democrats and some behind-the-scenes grousing from Republicans Wednesday when he said he could not support Clinton's military action -- a move that defied a long-standing tradition that party leaders close ranks when American troops are engaged in hostilities.
By contrast, other senior Senate Republicans, including the chairmen of the three major national security committees, supported the operation and few made even passing references to the impeachment proceedings. While many House Republicans accused the president of provoking war to save his presidency, outgoing House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and Speaker-designate Bob Livingston (R-La.) supported the airstrikes. Voting 417 to 5, the House yesterday adopted a resolution of support for U.S. troops.
417-5 wow, sounds like it just might have been legit. Or possibly there are only 5 intelligent Congressmen.
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I cant belive you guys are bringing up politicians, in the same thread as our fallen soldiers.
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Well, its not the most blatant hijack ever but........ easymo has a point.
This was a tribute to our fallen and in that spirit I give my and THANK YOU to those who have sacrificed for our freedoms.
One of which is to carry on these political discussions. God Bless America.
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Udie, We all feel bad about the down chopper. Then you start with the blame Democrats that’s trolling.
Was that the "war" clinton started literally 10 min before his house impeachment hearing started and ended literally within 15 minutes of the hearing's completion? Clinton's squealing lucky he doesn't get handed over as a war criminal......
No, Bush daddy started that war, Saddam kicked out the inspectors so he gets bombed for it. But that doesn’t matter, Lott made these comments while troops were in the field in harms way.
again the same "criminal war"............................. ..............
If it’s such a criminal war why are we fixing to bust his bellybutton some more?
Had Bush started this war I'm sure he would have done so just like that, just remember who started this war ok.....
The CIA?... Relax Udie just kidding.. They tell us it was a band of terrorists from Saudi Arabia. Maybe we need the Canadians to teach us how to read maps because we seem to be about 600 miles off target. You mention the term “war”.. There’s been no declaration of war -- the detainees at camp X-ray have not been given POW status. You can’t declare war on a pro noun.
same "war" to cover his sorry IMPEACHED ass, a criminal act in my opinion (thank god for clinton my opinioin doesn't matter
Was 17 Dec ‘98 before or after he was impeached for lying about blow jobs? heh.. you should read “The Hunting of a President” by Gene Lyons and Joe Carolson (sp) two writers/pundets who were NOT Enron “consultants“.
UM TO KILL ALL TERRORISTS where ever they are!!!! you f**king handsomehunk liberal!!!!
Maybe you agree with Ann Coulter that a few liberals oughta be taken out and shot as an example to all the rest.
I find it interesting that most of the real combat veterans are on the Democratic side in the house. All the hawks seem to be Republican. There‘s a word for that.
Hehehe
Glad to know you think this is all funny......
What’s funny is I’m able to locate the actual quotes from 3 years ago in less than 5 minutes.
Here Udie to show I’m not a mean guy... have some political links
http://bartcop.com/ Bart is waiting for Udie to come and debate
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/latest sure you want to be aligned with these guys?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi
Their fast with breaking news.. a little to left even for me
http://www.buzzflash.com/ quick on breaking news
http://www.mediapotatosonline.com/ like the name implys
http://stratfor.com/ military news -no spin-
http://vhosts.usits4.hotwww.com/larouche/thaddeus/index.htm
You claim to be a Republican... read what a real Republican has to say.. Ted Stevens
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Udie, We all feel bad about the down chopper. Then you start with the blame Democrats that’s trolling.
Please point out where I blamed any Democrat for the downing of the chopper? Oh yeah you can't because I didn't! (typical democrat tactic of trying to put words into my mouth) I haven't blamed anybody for the loss of our troops, hell 1/2 of them were probobly Democrats. It sucks, they were Americans fighting a war for our freedom.
No, Bush daddy started that war, Saddam kicked out the inspectors so he gets bombed for it. But that doesn’t matter, Lott made these comments while troops were in the field in harms way.
No, Saddam started that war. Bush did exactly what he said he would do and kicked him out of Kuwait and stopped him from invading Suadi Arabia. Had it not been for you pinko commie anti-any-kind-of-war-even-just-ones Bush would have been able to finish the job, I blame him for not doing it anyway.
You know what I'll give ya, ok Lott was wrong for critisizing, on tv to the talking heads, Clinton's attack on Iraq. Though I'm sure he probobly tried to do it in private, but with Clinton that was quite impossible. That has no bearing on Dashle. He's out to damage Bush on any issue the American people will believe. (as Lott was Clinton) They tried Enron , didn't/hasn't worked yet. (hmmm how much have they looked into the Clinton administrations dealings with Enron? All/Most of the illegal stuff happened under Clinton's term) They've tried pinning the recession and his joke of a tax cut, that hasn't even been fully implimented, on him, didn't work. Now they're going for the real scare tactics, it won't work.
They say Bush isn't telling them enough. Well, I can remember just a few short months ago in October when he did share information with congress and EVERY F**KING THING HE TOLD THEM THEY TOLD THE PRESS. Congress is a joke and can't be trusted to keep what they had for breakfast a secret much less national security issues. Dashle needs to keep the F away from the cameras and get to the business of the Senate, like er... um... voting on Bush's federal judge apointees and stuff like that. Or..... um.... the freaking energy bill he's been sitting on.
If it’s such a criminal war why are we fixing to bust his bellybutton some more?
Ofcourse that's my subjective opinion based on what I consider the fact that he just dropped a few smart bombs on them to keep his sorry assed impeachment off the tv for 1/2 of the 20 minute soundbite orum...er... the news. When Saddam kicked out the inspectors we should have put the 500,000 troops back on the ground and kicked him out. Clinton let him get away with it...
The CIA?... Relax Udie just kidding.. They tell us it was a band of terrorists from Saudi Arabia. Maybe we need the Canadians to teach us how to read maps because we seem to be about 600 miles off target.
Come on man I know you're not an idiot. Where was the leader of the terrorist group who attacked us based at? That was just a stupid paragraph man, I hope you're not that simple minded.
You mention the term “war”.. There’s been no declaration of war -- the detainees at camp X-ray have not been given POW status. You can’t declare war on a pro noun.
when was the last time they did? They don't have enough spine to do that or they don't want to afford our enemies the supposed rights a declaration of war would give them.
Was 17 Dec ‘98 before or after he was impeached for lying about blow jobs? heh.. you should read “The Hunting of a President” by Gene Lyons and Joe Carolson (sp) two writers/pundets who were NOT Enron “consultants“.
just to correct you, he lied under oath. It doesn't matter what it was about.
Maybe you agree with Ann Coulter that a few liberals oughta be taken out and shot as an example to all the rest.
classy statement there 10bears :)
I find it interesting that most of the real combat veterans are on the Democratic side in the house. All the hawks seem to be Republican. There‘s a word for that
Funny most I know are Republican and HATE Democrats even worse than I do. Ole Joe Lieberman seems to be quite a hawk nowadays too, he was the first member of congress I heard call for an attack on Iraq, way back in October. I think the word you're looking for is a phrase "full of toejam". Which is funny because that's just what I think you happen to be :D
What’s funny is I’m able to locate the actual quotes from 3 years ago in less than 5 minutes.
heh I can spell google too. It was a busy day at work so I didn't have any time to look stuff up and after a twelve hour workday I don't have the will now at home. I wasn't going to respond to this, but you know me see a wall and I just gotta push against it :D
Anyway, I this isn't what I started this thread for. I let Eaglers response get me fired up becaues he posted almost exactly what's on my mind. Though I guess this is exactly what they are over there fighting for.
I don't guess it matters much anyway, there's just too many freakin idiots out there that one day they are going to F it up for the rest of us. Kaboooooom!
Sorry easymo
hiya Tahgut :):D :p
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Yes, I heard that our soldiers are out there, "defending our freedom," and indeed several have been killed. It's a tragedy, and I am very sorry indeed for them and their families. Now, the only thing to do is to win this battle.
The greater tragedy is that this will not stop here. I hate this bloody war business, because it's a self-growth industry. And that's also why I'm disgusted with those that are beginning murmur doubtfully, or get concerned now that we are beginning to lose our soldiers in one of the first real ground battles in over ten years. The great majority of US enemy-fire fatalities over the last decade have been from mines and bombings, no? All, I can say is that the American people must be prepared to reap what we have sown. We wanted a war, and by God, we've got one now. We are going to lose some soldiers doing it, and that is the price we have to pay, because like it or not, America is now involved in Afghanistan until the bitter end if we ever hope to end this there. We can avoid Iraq, we can avoid Iran, we can avoid N. Korea, but there is simply no way at this point we can negotiate anything with the fighters in Afghanistan. We'll hold on to it and kick them out, or we'll be the second major power to abandon Afghanistan in 20 years, something that we can't allow to happen.
F*ck war.
-ispar
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They tried Enron , didn't/hasn't worked yet.
Interesting... They tried Whitewater. That didn't work either, but it did cost us taxpayers a bunch.
When Saddam kicked out the inspectors we should have put the 500,000 troops back on the ground and kicked him out. Clinton let him get away with it...
How is this Clinton's fault? Last I checked, the actions against Iraq WRT Kuwait were by a coalition of countries. This was not simply a U.S. problem. How is it that Clinton is the only one that could offer a solution?
They don't have enough spine to do that or they don't want to afford our enemies the supposed rights a declaration of war would give them.
How we treat our prisoners regardless of the legalese that is being spun by the DoD will have a direct effect on the treatment of U.S. POWs in the future. It's something to consider.
he lied under oath. It doesn't matter what it was about.
Yes it does (to some of us).
he should go up to Bush personaly and talk, NOT IN FRONT OF CAMERAS He's playing pure election year politics when we are at war, that to me is unforgivable.
American politics are exercised in public with much assistance by the media. That's how it works. I'd rather have it all in the front where I can see it. I think the Philadelphia Inquirer has the right idea:
Still, the country runs best when a loyal opposition - from either party - asks tough questions, even during times of war. That is how our check-and-balance system of government thrives. The most frightening prospect would be a White House and Congress controlled by one party, giving carte blanche to any and all war plans an administration might conceive.
That counterbalancing function is all the more important with this administration, which repeatedly has acted as though its actions should not be questioned.
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Because it's not just in times of war - but especially in times of war - that questions must be asked.
... and those same questions must be answered publicly.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Interesting... They tried Whitewater. That didn't work either, but it did cost us taxpayers a bunch.
Only because all envolved kept their mouths shut (ie. susan macdougal et all) Evidence was never turned over and the investigation was constantly held back by Democrats....
How is this Clinton's fault? Last I checked, the actions against Iraq WRT Kuwait were by a coalition of countries. This was not simply a U.S. problem. How is it that Clinton is the only one that could offer a solution?
Exactly my point, then how on Earth could it be Bush 41's fault? See the hypocracy? ;) Though we should have acted alone in my opinion world safety/freedom is worth it.
How we treat our prisoners regardless of the legalese that is being spun by the DoD will have a direct effect on the treatment of U.S. POWs in the future. It's something to consider.
Just like past wars in Japan, Korea and Vietnam? We've seen how American POW's have been treated in the past, what's diferent now? You think if Al Queda captured an American soldier or civilian he'd be alive long enough to be a POW? LOL!
he lied under oath. It doesn't matter what it was about.
Yes it does (to some of us).
heh to the LAW it doesn't......
American politics are exercised in public with much assistance by the media. That's how it works. I'd rather have it all in the front where I can see it. I think the Philadelphia Inquirer has the right idea:
Bullcrap! This is a freaking war man, we have troops on the ground most likely in "undisclosed" countries. Some may actually be there undetected by those governments. Bush tell's Damazinhunk where they are and Damazinhunk leaks it and then the governments know our guys are there and start looking to kill them. Congress has already proven that it leaks like a siv, why should they be trusted now? BUT :D You're right these questions should be asked/answered. Dashle could meet with Bush when ever he wants to, yet he brings this stuff up infront of cameras, you're a fool to think it's not politicly motivated to hurt Bush / Republicans in an election year because the Democrats are weak and have no other hope to save there 1 vote majority in the Senate. In a time when we are in a real war, undeclared or not, that is not how to be a leader which he is supposed to be. I truely wonder if Damazinhunk cares mroe about the future of this country or the power of his political party. He's no leader that's for sure.......
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A Time For Greatness
Column by Senator Tom Daschle
September 2001
It is clear from their painstaking plans that the terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon thought they had covered every detail. But there is one crucial detail they overlooked: Hardship and heartbreak are not new to Americans. As individuals and as a nation, we have endured great challenge and struggle, yet none has ever broken us. When tragedy strikes, Americans sift through the ashes of despair to find faith, courage and an unshakable commitment to freedom, democracy and each other.
Our greatness in times of tragedy is what distinguishes us as a nation. We saw that greatness last week in the passengers of a doomed airliner who defied their murderers and prevented even greater destruction. We saw it in the police and firefighters who lost their lives trying to save others, and in the rescue workers who worked for days without sleep searching for even one more survivor. We continue to see that greatness in millions of Americans who are contributing to disaster relief funds, and the millions more who wait hours to donate blood. The cowards who attacked our nation could not see this about us because they were blinded by their own fanatical hatred of us.
Now is a time for mourning and remembrance. It is time for shock and anger. But most of all, it is a time for greatness. We can't all take part in the rescue efforts in New York or Washington. But there is much each of us can do: If you own an American flag, raise it. If you can afford to, contribute to the disaster relief effort. Light a candle. Offer a prayer for those who lost their lives, a shoulder to the families and friends they've left behind, and a kind word to those around you. Fight hatred at home as vehemently as you would hatred from abroad. Whether by birth or by choice, we are all Americans. Refuse to let the terrorists divide us.
When the time is right, we will respond decisively and punish those who committed these diabolical acts. Until then, be patient and support President Bush as our government navigates through these difficult days. Whatever differences we may have on other matters, they are nothing compared to our common love for America and our common desire to bring the killers to justice. Have hope – know that we will come through this even stronger than before. Above all, go back to your daily lives. Show the terrorists they failed by embracing with renewed vigor the freedom and economic opportunity they would destroy. Ultimately, that may be the most patriotic thing any of us can do.
One of the demolition workers in New York had it right. "They hit the World Trade Center. They hit the Pentagon. But they missed America." We will win this war against terrorism because, inside of nearly every American is a passionate patriotism and a fierce determination to protect the people and values we love. That is the fundamental reality the terrorists did not understand. It is our greatness, and now is the time to show it.
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Hm, bad news indeed. It was a matter of time before it'd happen though.
Denmark has put Special Forces on the ground in that operation too. I wonder when we'll see our first casualties in war since WWII...
They're there to do an important job. My thoughts are with them and their families.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I wish he'd keep singing that tune, but he stopped the week before Christmas......
Thanks to you're Country Santa!