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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hblair on October 30, 2001, 05:19:00 PM
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Warbirds. Warbirds. Warbirds. You know, that WWII simulator that people bypassed cheezy Air Warrior to pay 2-300 bucks a month (that would be 2-3 Benjamin Franklins a month) to fly?
Warbirds. That simulator that raised the bar.
Yeah, Warbirds. That's where I come from.
Not some steenkin, cheapo, two bit, has-been, piece of junk, 5 buck a month, pac-man with wings gamey game.
AW events? Bah!
Warbirds S3's and Scenario Lite's is what we should be trying to emulate. :)
Warbirds. Hitech and Pyro's last project.
Aces High. Their current project. Not some steenkin erased-from-the-server-replaced with-online-poker piece of crap shoot em up E-Z moder, cheezeball meeting place for eighties guys.
I came from Warbirds and I left it behind me two years ago. Surely you *Air Warriors* (cough) can leave that game behind you.
You are all Aces High pilots now, ya know. I don't care to re-live your history on this board, and I know you don't want to re-live mine. :P
<Lights fuse and runs til his side is killing him, (about 200 yds.) crawls the rest of the way> :D
[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Originally posted by hblair:
Hmmm, a pinch of this,
a little of that,
stir,
and let simmer.
:D
griz
<--who sees, after 2 years, that newbies have more posts than he does-->
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Originally posted by hblair:
I came from Warbirds and I left it behind me two years ago. Surely you *Air Warriors* (cough) can leave that game behind you.]
Tell ya the truth I had left the game itself about a year and a half ago. I however, did not cancel my account because people I call friends worked there. It was the one thing that really made the game so appealing to me in its hayday. EA took over and I still supported my friends tho I maybe flew once every couple of months. Then EA layed off some of my friends and I cancelled my account after a year of blindly donating to the cause. At that point, time and a very basic computer did not make AH attractive to me. BAck to AW, I had cancelled my account, but still there were some friends left :(. However, they are all gone now and any attachment I had to the game.
Originally posted by hblair:
You are all Aces High pilots now, ya know. I don't care to re-live your history on this board, and I know you don't want to re-live mine. :P[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
True, even in my first or second post I never mentioned AW. Some people automaticly ass-u-med :). I knew it was going to happen. Heck some guys are still bent over it. With time they will get over it :). I am sure they are having fun shooting me down :).
Originally posted by hblair:
<Lights fuse and runs til his side is killing him, (about 200 yds.) crawls the rest of the way> :D
[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
Dont look behind ya, as you were running by I stuck a homing beacon on ya ;).
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LOL Hblair, me too :)
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HB was a lowly ezmode Air Combat Arena dweeb. :D
[edited to add "ezmode" :D ]
[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: Sancho ]
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Yup, After I used up my 50 bucks a month (sometimes I'd go 100, but very rarely), I'd play H2H or the ACA. You be right, I was an addict in those days and spent a lot of time there. The ACA was full realism for a while before it got buggered.
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But back to the subject....
People from Warbirds = good
People from Air Warrior = bad
Got it?
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I'm with HB :D
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Hah!
I have you beat hblair!
I came from the greatest game ever made... well the 2 greatest games ever made... Flying Circus (free beta period) and Red Baron II!!!! Both I flew for free with and never spent a dime more than the box cost me with RBII! HAH! Take that hblair! HAHAHAHAHA!
I shall fart in your general direction!
Rocket
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:) (http://www.wavcentral.com/sounds/movies/pbride/think.wav) (http://204.97.147.41/pbimages/vizz.jpg)
"You'd like to think that, wouldn't you?!"
Originally posted by hblair:
But back to the subject....
People from Warbirds = good
People from Air Warrior = bad
Got it?
[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Wait till people like Filth and $ACE$ get here and hand you your taunting tushy on a rusted-out C47 hubcap HBlair.. :)
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Arlo I came from WB too but I got to give ya credit. GREAT COMEBACK!
<S>
Screw this Brand A Brand W crap. We all AH pilots now.
Kill em all, let HT sort em out.
:)
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Thanks, Ghosth. I just wanted to clarify that I've got nothing against WB, either. I've always thought the communities (AW,WB,AH) were just different branches of the same family. My old squad used to pay a great deal of homage to the Jolly Rogers over in WB (of course, we picked up their banner when they left AW to fly WB). Great buncha guys!
< S > all former and present WarBirders.
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I not going to read anything but the great man him said once
Warbirds. Warbirds. Warbirds. You know, that WWII simulator that people bypassed cheezy Air Warrior to pay 2-300 bucks a month (that would be 2-3 Benjamin Franklins a month) to fly?
Warbirds. That simulator that raised the bar.
Yeah, Warbirds. That's where I come from.
Not some steenkin, cheapo, two bit, has-been, piece of junk, 5 buck a month, pac-man with wings gamey game.
AW events? Bah!
Warbirds S3's and Scenario Lite's is what we should be trying to emulate.
Warbirds. Hitech and Pyro's last project.
Aces High. Their current project. Not some steenkin erased-from-the-server-replaced with-online-poker piece of crap shoot em up E-Z moder, cheezeball meeting place for eighties guys.
I came from Warbirds and I left it behind me two years ago. Surely you *Air Warriors* (cough) can leave that game behind you.
You are all Aces High pilots now, ya know. I don't care to re-live your history on this board, and I know you don't want to re-live mine. :P
<Lights fuse and runs til his side is killing him, (about 200 yds.) crawls the rest of the way>
AMEN!!!!!!! W00T!!!!!!!!! your my hero!
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Originally posted by Arlo:
"You'd like to think that, wouldn't you?!"
[spanish accent]"Why do you keep saying that? You know, I don't think it means what you think it means..."[/spanish accent]
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Ahhh Flying Circus!! my first online flygame +) LOVED IT!! Where I first met the AK's (as a SKYLORD) what a hoot!!
Also flew abit of RB2, once again against the AK's for the most part. I'd love to see someone convert that game to D3D.
Well when in FC, I heard that the SKYLORDS also flew AW. Sooo I wandered on in and checked out the ww1 arena.... ick.. but heeey whats this?? the WW2 ARENAS!!
back in the early 90's I read about Air Warrior and tried to get it going on the 386, well after several hours of long distance charges I was unable to get it to work. All of a sudden I found myself in that place I had tried to gain access too!
Needless to say I didn't return to the WW1 arena, I was stuck in RR ETO1 for the next 18 months, initially as an 86th and finally as a member of 4wing.
AW is the grandaddy of em all, it will be a sad day when the servers are turned off and AW fades into history. The community is the only thing that kept AW alive these past 5-6 years, lets hope the future is bright for this gaming genre we all so love.
SKurj
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not if those Awers keep talking about AW and not AH. (dont take offence it makes me sad...)
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Stop it, STOP IT NOW! This isn't getting us anywhere. Now, let's all join hands and sing "We Are The World"!!!
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Ahhh ... Inigo Montoya is indeed my favorite character from that movie ... but alas, the die is cast and I am stuck in the role of Vizzini.
(http://www.smorgenstern.com/images/stills/058.jpg)
"When I found you, you were so slobbering drunk, you couldn't buy brandy! And you! (Turns to Fezzik) Friendless, brainless, helpless, hopeless! Do you want me to send you back to where you were, unemployed, in Greenland?!!!" :) (http://204.97.147.41/sounds/greenland.wav) (click)
Originally posted by Blue Mako:
[spanish accent]"Why do you keep saying that? You know, I don't think it means what you think it means..."[/spanish accent]
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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**sings** I've got the whole world in my hands.... I've got the wholeeeee world in my hands!@!!
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Methinks you flatter yourself just a bit,there? ;0) (j/k)
Originally posted by JaCkNiFe:
**sings** I've got the whole world in my hand.... I've got the wholeeeee world in my hand!@!!
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I concur with hblair and other ppls. And this old bald man too:
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[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Commander rialbh ]
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I am with hblair on this one.
warbirds.
you are not a true online-simmer unless you crapped your pants when you saw those $100+ bills in Warbirds 1.11 (to have a bigger bell the next month)
LONG LIVE THE REDS!!!
DEAth TO THE FROGS.
Animal
(one of the pioneer volcano divers)
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"You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Ha ha ha--"
[Vizzini stops suddenly, and drops dead]
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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:D (http://204.97.147.41/sounds/cliffs.wav)
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Hblairs's right, we're all AH'ers now <smooch>
But.....
Tell us former AW'ers how the WB events worked out, would you please? We're all ears, we like this stuff.
Mind you, if WB events had such a strong following, what happend when you all moved here?
Here's to the future!
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Seeker,
WarBirds events are running fine. "They all" who moved do not represent whole WarBirds community. Lots of people visiting AH returned to WB as well. Today is another WarBirds event, EMC 32 and its 3rd frame. In frame 2 we flew happily 109 Emils, Franzs, Ju88s and Me 110s in the skies of North Africa, so the WB events are still very much tehre and alive, thank you.
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Forgot, http://www3.ient.com/emc/ (http://www3.ient.com/emc/) - that is the premier WarBirds event. Weekly continuing campaign. Then there are the Scenario Lites and S3s.
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Thanks Grendel.
The mystery deepens.
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And how the events worked?
Briefings for todays fight: http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum5/HTML/001389.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum5/HTML/001389.html)
And after action report from last week's EMC: http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum5/HTML/001382.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum5/HTML/001382.html)
And if you're really interested, I got lots and lots of After Action Reports, guncamera films and photos in my WB page:
http://dns.mikrobitti.fi/~jukkak/warbirds.htm (http://dns.mikrobitti.fi/~jukkak/warbirds.htm)
Haven't updated it for a long time now though but combats are going on strong still.
I haven't flown in AH scenarioes except one (first scenario and came out with two kills :-) ) so I can't comment much about them myself though. At least the times are really screwed for European pilots, so not much chance for jumping in to test.
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www.s3events.com (http://www.s3events.com)
for close to 3 years, every sunday ( with 2,3 weeks of a break bewteen events ) over 300 pilots shows up to fly a historical sceanrio.
Success of S3 events in WB is yet to be matched by anything i've seen in sims.
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I flew WarBirds too but where I "come from" is SubLogic Flight Simulator for the Apple II. That's where it all started you newbies. :)
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you all suck. I started with THIS game. I didn't come from anywhere else, so nyah. :p Unless you're gonna tell me to count Aces of the Pacific and Aces over Europe. :D
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If you want to pull senority Funked, I was doing a numbers only flight with this two-cart system wheeled into our school room in 1977. :D
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In 1974 me and another kid sitting in a desk three rows away flew paper airplanes, made from computer punch cards, at each other in mock aerial combat!
<neeners!>
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
In 1974 me and another kid sitting in a desk three rows away flew paper airplanes, made from computer punch cards, at each other in mock aerial combat!
<neeners!>
Hey! It has to be electronic to qualify! ;)
Incidently, this was a Trig class that we used this IBM 2-cart system for..one held the multiple boxes, and the other cart held the huge black and white monitor.(Actually, televsion set!)
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And just for you young guys squeaking about upgrade costs:
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
In 1974 me and another kid sitting in a desk three rows away flew paper airplanes, made from computer punch cards, at each other in mock aerial combat!
<neeners!>
In 1974 my parents were in the bedroom playing downed Allied airman and French farmer's daughter...I was the result.
You've all been beaten.
SOB
:D
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Eeeeewwwweeee, Microchannel bus? <shudder>
I had almost put that out of my memory. ;)
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Confirmed Kill V.91 -> WB1.11r3...
I had to pay for CompuServe too...
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Confirmed Kill V.91 -> WB1.11r3...
I had to pay for CompuServe too...
-SW
I don't remember what version of CK i was in, but we had "Blue" as one of the country colors, and about 4 "flyable condition" planes..V.82 or so?
Anyway, I can remember telnetting in...and DOS AW in 1989, was something like $6 an hour. Glad those days are behind us!
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Yeah that must of been around v.82-v.84, I knew guys who played the earlier versions and they would always talk about the blue country. ;-)
-SW
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Well, I don't know about "early" but, I flew in the very first online flight/fighter sim -- Airfight (?) on the PLATO system back in the late 1970s. About a dozen sorties or so at about two seconds per frame (60s jet combat no less, minus the missiles as I remember). It was virtyally unplayable at that framrate and with a keyboard ( I did pass close to a couple of planes before I crased on occasion). I began playing Empire, the "RTS" Star Trek game. I still remember my first kill against a Romulan bird of Prey being commanded by some obvious dweeb :)I was a Jr. High School kid being smuggled into a univeristy hospital to play on the system so my Skillz were meager to say the least.
Charon
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]
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ya gotta love HB. ROCK ON D3\/\/D :D
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Originally posted by Arlo:
Ahhh ... Inigo Montoya is indeed my favorite character from that movie ... but alas, the die is cast and I am stuck in the role of Vizzini.
You should never take on the role of a short bald guy who ends up dead halfway through the movie. I just hope you don't look like him... <shudders>
"Who are you?"
"No-one of consequence."
"Please, I must know"
"Get used to dissapointment."
"Okay"
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Ya worry me bud. Try datechat ... I'm not here for that. ;)
Originally posted by Blue Mako:
You should never take on the role of a short bald guy who ends up dead halfway through the movie. I just hope you don't look like him... <shudders>
"Who are you?"
"No-one of consequence."
"Please, I must know"
"Get used to dissapointment."
"Okay"
and Arlo says, "Hiyas, Rotor!" LOL
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Originally posted by hblair:
But back to the subject....
People from Warbirds = good
People from Air Warrior = bad
Got it?
I flew in the WB beta. Does that make me good? ;)
Tex
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Originally posted by Animal:
I am with hblair on this one.
warbirds.
you are not a true online-simmer unless you crapped your pants when you saw those $100+ bills in Warbirds 1.11 (to have a bigger bell the next month)
LONG LIVE THE REDS!!!
DEAth TO THE FROGS.
Animal
(one of the pioneer volcano divers)
Lord, I wish my AW bill averaged 100$ Not sure the average is down that low yet even after years of $9.95.
Tex
btw-most of those scenario types on WB came from DOS AW :)
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I think HBlair looks pretty in a dress, but he always goes for those sleazy miniskirts.
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Okay, time to show my age again.
Let's see...
1993 -- Joined Air Warrior at the then amazing rate of $9.95/month for 4 hours, and $3.00/hour thereafter. Flew a whopping 4 hours per month to keep my bill down.
1995 -- Joined the Confirmed Kill open Beta as Tick, and ended up a member of the VF-1 ... somethingorothers. Loved CK because I was an avid Flight Simulator Toolkit developer and CK used that engine at first. Alas, I didn't like the move to the new engine when Domark got assinine, and I left WB at that time.
1996 -- Did two months back with AW, but found it dull.
2000 -- Found this game called Aces High, and have been hooked since.
Slightly OT...I was dissapointed to hear how bad WW2OL was when released. I always thought a true combined-arms sim would be awesome. Alas, it looks to be a goal for another time. I get my fix by playing Operation Flashpoint these days. But one day I can see our squad dropping troops from a goon into a town, with members of our squad actually taking the roles of the troops. That would kick total prettythang...
Okay...I'm done babbling... :D
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what HB said .
WB used to be the game of choice.
AH is all that exists now :)
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Hm. Many have experience VERY old sims.
Guys, would you tell about those gigaold "sims"? :-) Or even experiences from Air Warrior's old days. I smell something that I could use in an article ;-)
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Grendel check this site: http://www.migman.com/museum.htm (http://www.migman.com/museum.htm)
I first learned flying in this one: http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/FSI/FSI.htm (http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/FSI/FSI.htm)
Learned ACM, gunnery, navigation, and instrument flying on this one: http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/FSII/FSII.htm (http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/FSII/FSII.htm)
...Chasing around little stick figure biplanes. :)
Here is my first true combat sim: http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/F15_1/F15_1.htm (http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/F15_1/F15_1.htm)
Die Libyans!!! :)
Apple II forever!!! :D
[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Here is my first true combat sim: http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/F15_1/F15_1.htm (http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/F15_1/F15_1.htm)
Die Libyans!!! :)
[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
Funked, me too ;-) Screaming around in those hostile skies with my F-15 - my flight simming began there! The model planes were first of course, but F-15 was the first truly good simulation for me.
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I'm an old EAW'er :)
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
You should never take on the role of a short bald guy who ends up dead halfway through the movie. I just hope you don't look like him... <shudders>
"Who are you?"
"No-one of consequence."
"Please, I must know"
"Get used to dissapointment."
"Okay"
....he does, almost EXACTLY!! :p
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Originally posted by Grendel:
Funked, me too ;-) Screaming around in those hostile skies with my F-15 - my flight simming began there! The model planes were first of course, but F-15 was the first truly good simulation for me.
Almost ashamed to admit it but I played F-15 on my Apple IIe whilst listening to "Highway to the Danger Zone" on the tape player, pretending I was Maverick.
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Yeah, F-15 on the Apple ii was cool, and Falcon 1 on a 286 (monochrome amber monitor)was cool, but Red Baron on the 286/386 was about like the Doom of flight sims. I can remember hiding in and around the clouds long before I had the opportunity to do so elsewhere. What about being allied when bloody April came around with all those Albatross(sp?)D3s :) What a blast. Chuck Yeager's Air Combat was fun as well.
Charon
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I started with Falcon in CGA, Milkrun, Dragon's Jaw, Dragon's tail, triangular mountains, eni planes who turn around you always pointing nose to you. Man, I was a fighter pilot!
And F19 retaliator was the best for the time. Those undetected missions in Iran ... You could have medals, your career progressed ... Wohoo!
I also played "topgun" on whatever game console from the time. You could dogfight 1 Vs the over one in Split screen. The screen was all dark except the the horizon line who was a white line, and the other plane, a 3D wire F14 (made with aboout 6 wires), but looked great for my imagination at the time.
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Yep I ran Falcon on my 4.77 MHz PC. :)
Dinger/CFIT and I used to fly F-19 and ATP with one guy as pilot and the other as WSO/Co-pilot. :)
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Dinger/CFIT and I used to fly F-19 and ATP with one guy as pilot and the other as WSO/Co-pilot.
Cool! I wasn't the only person to do that!!! Back in <cough> 1989 </cough> my friend of mine and I would load up on pop, start the sim, and fly for hours at a time. It's amazing how a "sim" (and, let's face it, I have to use that word loosely now) with such rudimentary graphics and laughable frame rates seems more "real" to me in fun and memory than ninety percent of the 3D accelerated titles that have come down the pipe in the past three years.
Anybody out there remember Mig Alley Ace on the Commodore64/128? I used to play that with my RAPCON buddies in 1987, doing co-op missions over a solid green landscape.
Ah, how times have changed. ;)
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I thought it was just called "Mig Alley" (same name as the newer game from Interplay). Split screen 1v1 dogfighting. Was playing it in `84 with a nvy bud. He could never figure out how I always knew when he was lining up for a shot. (EG)
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lol. I played F15 on my friend's apple IIe. And once I played some Harrier game on the Commodore 64. :)
Oh, I played F-16 Fighting Falcon on the Sega Master System and F-22 on the Sega Genesis. LOL
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I think I've seen this movie before! Recently, as a matter of fact! ;)
Originally posted by hblair:
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