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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MRPLUTO on March 04, 2002, 05:33:20 PM
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...an encouraging observation: HiTech has been on a lot recently, which in this case probably means he's been testing the new aircraft flight models, using existing "airframes".
Last year, I remember he warned us to watch out for a very fast P-51 packing quite a punch. Of course, it was the about-to-be-released Me-262.
So, while there are no guarentees that 1.09's release is imminent, it does mean progress has been made to the point where...well who knows.
Also, I heard HT say there might be a "surprise" plane in 1.09. My guess is the Stuka.
Since this is probably not comforting enough, let's get 1.09 off our minds by arguing about what planes should be in 1.10! Since 1.09 will have a Battle of Britain plane set, I'd hope for an early Pacific plane set next. How about: P-40b and/or e, Ki-43 Oscar, F4F-3 and/or -4 Wildcat, A6M2 and/or M3 Zero, P-38F, B-25c and P-39D. And don't forget the SBD Dauntless and D3A2 Val dive-bombers and the B5N2 Kate torpedo bomber.
Also, what about GVs? Some don't care at all for them, but I'd like to see the T-34/76, Sherman, and something to use GV perks on. Maybe the Tiger I or Panther?
Speaking of GVs, how hard would it be to offer a selection of camoflage patterns? Each GV could have three: winter, summer, and desert. Martha Stewart, are you listening?
MRPLUTO, VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~
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On a side note, i always anounce planes in the arena if im testing new models.
i've just been flying again recently.
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
Also, what about GVs? Some don't care at all for them, but I'd like to see the T-34/76, Sherman, and something to use GV perks on. Maybe the Tiger I or Panther?
MRPLUTO, VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~
I'd rather have a Pershing tank than a Tiger I or King Tiger.
ack-ack
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I'd like to see a Korean theatre. Gimme some F86's and Mig 15's to mix it up in.
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Originally posted by hitech
On a side note, i always anounce planes in the arena if im testing new models.
i've just been flying again recently.
:eek: GET BACK TO WORK YOU SLACKER!!
:D
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P-39q-10
BW-239
P-40N
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prop-driven planes over jets any day!
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Easy Eight Sherman/76mm, t-34/85 are quite equal to PzKw-IVh.
Pershing and Tiger are good match too.
Panther is über, so is Königstiger...maybe JS-III or SU-100 against those.
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Well, given HiTech's amazingly fast response, so much for my theories. Unless it's part of a disinformation campaign! Of course, if HT has time to fly, then maybe 1.09 is almost finished!
Anyway, I'd still like to hear what others are interested in flying and driving...I'm surprised to hear right away that people want Korean War era stuff. I'd be more interested in early WW2 aircraft: Dewoitine D.520, Polikarpov I-16, Heinkel He-111, Brewster Buffalo, Mig-3, S.M. 79, Ju-52, A-20 Boston/Havoc, and Wellington. Also, two important planes: the B-24 and Ki-84. And the already much discussed Me-163 Komet.
MRPLUTO, VMF-323, ~Death Rattlers~
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I'd much rather see a representative 1944 Spitfire before a Ki84 (although I'd like to see the Ki84 also). Something along the lines of the Mk IX LF, with our current Mk IX having the options for rockets and .50 calibers disabled and being representative of the 1942 IX, which was like the very first one that came out.
I'd also like to see the Mk XIV, either as a cheap perk or free. I'd lean towards free for the introduction, seeing as the climb rate and top speed are about par with the 109G10, which is free, although granted it does turn better.
The Japanese planeset could use some filling too, the Ki84 would be a big step towards that (and then they can put in all the cool early war Japanese stuff with the early USN/USAAF stuff and we can have a REAL party :D).
I'd also much rather see all the issues with the Panzer IV and M8 worked out (one way or another) before we introduce more tanks.
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Commonwealth Wirraway!
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Will be nice to have early afrika plane set too, need early cobras, p40s, stuka. Malta, Africa Corp will be nice.
Still no perk gv, people keep getting gv's perks and no where to spend them.
And please eary russian planes too.
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Speaking of GVs, how hard would it be to offer a selection of camoflage patterns? Each GV could have three: winter, summer, and desert. Martha Stuart, are you listening?
The camo issue comes up from time to time. As an ex- AirWarrior I miss the ability to change the terrain and plane camos to match. It seems to me this ability could be acheived easily, once the color schemes (art work) were complete. When entering the main arena one could simply select "Summer - Winter - Desert". All planes and GV's would be camo'ed accordingly. This would be very cool. Obviously I could be looking at winter terrain with another player looking at the very same terrain but seeing desert instead.
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If i were a betting man, i'd lay money down that 1.09 is a done deal, with the exception of final QA before it goes public.
P.S. good to see HT and crew in arena more, "all work+no play makes Jack a dull boy"
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Max I 2nd that it would be great for them to add that to the sim! ooh ooh imagine the possiblities :D
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I'm all for more of the Pacific war set. P-40, beaufighter, boomerang :), catalina, betty's, buffalo etc etc.
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All the cool Japanese stuff is late war. The Ki.84, the Ki.100, the J2M3, the B6N, the DY4 - there's a lot of high performance right there.
The Early War Japanese aircraft don't seem to do as well in sims as they did in RL, and the late war stuff seems to do better than RL.
I'd like to see all the above plus the H8K Emily flying boat.
Oh yeah, plus the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver!
And, since there's been so much time to work on them, I'd like to see a Spit Mk XIV and a Stuka and an Me163 and a He.177. And a P-38F for the Sicily event.
And a B-24 for Citabria/Fester.
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Early war Japanese aircraft were flown by seasoned veterans. Later war Japanese pilots were lucky if they had landed solo before.
Air combat success can be dominated by huge technology gaps and numbers, but pilot quality still has a lot to do with the final results if the numbers and technology gaps are not big enough.
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Mazz's Wish List... Pretty Please HT - Im sure you can model all of these in what.. 20 minutes? :P
Polik-Arpov I-153
Grumman F4F Wildcat
Lavochkin LaGG-3
Fiat G.55
Curtiss P-40 Warhawk
Bell P-39 Air Cobra
Messerschmitt Me-410
Yakovlev Yak-3
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-5
Nakajima Ki-44 Skoki
Lockheed P-38J Lightning
Focke Wulf Fw-200 (B)
Douglas SBD Dauntless (B)
Ju-87D Stuka (B)
Ju-87G Stuka (B)
Heinkel He-111 (B)
Consoliated B-24 Liberator (B)
Douglass A-26 Invader (B)
North American B-25 Mitchell (B)
Hawker Sea Fury MkXX (Perk)
Messerschmitt Bf-109K4 (Perk)
Grumman F8F Bearcat (Perk)
Spitfire MkXIV (Perk)
Kawasaki Ki-100 (Perk)
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-7 (Perk)
Bell P-63 King Cobra (Perk)
Mitsubishi A7M Reppu (Perk)
Heinkel He-219 (Perk) (B)
Boeing B-29A Superfortress (Perk) (B)
Mazz
<-TFC->
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We need the Meteor III, the Kikka, the P-80A and the 'flying canoli" the Caproni Campini....
(http://aerostories.free.fr/reaction/img15.gif) ....
to bring "jet parity" to AH
;)
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Once the WW2 planeset is filled in to everyones satisfaction, why not have a korean war arena. I realize this may be in the distant future, but its still something to think about.
I would like to see some german transport vehicles in the game, and another Krautbuff would be cool too.
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Bah I say to Korea!!
WWI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SKurj
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Avia B.534 pretty please :D
Sea Hurricane...
and say -> NO <- to Korea ;) Although Skyrider... well uhmm... the Skyrider... ok give us Skyrider but NO Korea :D
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Advise-
When the update-tard fever gits ya, play Ghost Recon, IL-2, Operation Flashpoint, Stronghold, and IL-2. Revert to Ghost recon when in a “1.09 update freaky Jonsin’ state”, or Il-2. If that fails, load IL-2, COOP. If that fails, git some popsicle, or reload IL-2.
This “1.09 Film Maker Mania Update ” is insane. New spit cockpits isn’t going to reshape the Palestinian conflict. Trust me.
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I'd hope for an early Pacific plane set next. How about: P-40b and/or e, Ki-43 Oscar, F4F-3 and/or -4 Wildcat, A6M2 and/or M3 Zero, P-38F, B-25c and P-39D. And don't forget the SBD Dauntless and D3A2 Val dive-bombers and the B5N2 Kate torpedo bomber.
Amen MRPLUTO!
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Originally posted by Creamo
Trust me.
Trust you? (http://208.183.128.3/sounds/giggle.wav)
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"How about: P-40b and/or e, Ki-43 Oscar, F4F-3 and/or -4 Wildcat, A6M2 and/or M3 Zero, P-38F, B-25c and P-39D. And don't forget the SBD Dauntless and D3A2 Val dive-bombers and the B5N2 Kate torpedo bomber."
Gets my vote.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Polik-Arpov I-153
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-5
Polik-Arpov I-153 - It was one man - Nikolai Polikarpov :)
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-5 - as i know, such plane did not exist. May be u mean Mig-3U (Uluchshennyi) with 2X20mm cannons?
PS:I support all ur wish list +
Soviet bombers:
Tupolev Tu-2
Ermolaev Er-2
Iljushin Il-4(DB-3)
Petliakov Pe-2
Petliakov Pe-8
I not too impudent? :)
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After the Polikarpov I-16 and Mig-3...
...the Petlyakov Pe-2 twin-engine ground attack aircraft deserves to appear by its high numbers in combat. It was fast, but lightly armored, with an inadequate rear machine gun, I believe.
By the way, does anyone know which syllable "Petlyakov" is accented on? PET-lya-kof? pet-LYA-kof? pet-lya-KOF? Thanks.
MRPLUTO, VMF-323, ~Death Rattlers~
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I would like a AH WWI planeset and arena.
Oh to be back in the air in a not so trusty Neuport, Pup, or Camel blasting those nasty Huns out of the sky. :D
Or hot on the tail of a Fokker monoplane with my N-11.
The old Eagle sighs, mutters something about "beware of the hun in the sun", then shuffles off to his cave.... dreaming of flaming DR-1s and planes with two wings... real wings with wires...
Ille ne passerant pas!
AKEagle+
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I am in agreement Eagle +)
But errrmm I'd be flying the Albatross +)
SKurj
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
By the way, does anyone know which syllable "Petlyakov" is accented on? PET-lya-kof? pet-LYA-kof? pet-lya-KOF? Thanks.
MRPLUTO, VMF-323, ~Death Rattlers~
In russian it sounds so:
pet-lya-KOF
Vladimir Mikhailovich Petlyakov
(http://www.warlib.ru/articles/000076/petlyakov_1.jpg)
Pe-2
(http://cofe.ru/Avia/P/P-48-1.jpg)
(http://www.warlib.ru/articles/000076/pe-2_8.jpg)
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a_lazyman,
Thanks for the pronounciation help and great pics!
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An idea: Could someone suggest some (sea?)planes that could be used as minelayers? Mines dropped in the water might remain lethal to all ships for several hours until they become disarmed. That's how most WW2 mines worked, except they were active for weeks or months.
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Another idea: Eventually, I'm sure we'll be able to be individual soldiers. What weapons would be available? I'd vote for the Panzerfaust (German bazooka: "armour-fist"); MG-38(?) sub-machinegun, (known incorrectly as the "Schmeisser"); MG-42(?) machinegun (the one with the bipod); and grenades. Please help me out on the designations of these weapons...I'm not completely sure of them. Oh, one more weapon: a sniper's rifle.
MRPLUTO, VMF-323, ~Death Rattlers~
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MRPLUTO...
This forum isn't big enough to contain the infantry discussion +)
I'd imagine if we could be 'soldiers' it will be in version 4.00 of AH
SKurj
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The caproni campini wasnt a jet!!!
It was a piston engine in a tube
(I have a model)
And I want the plane no-one seems to have mentioned..
The Do-335 Pfeil
and as I have previously said early night radar for a wizzo in the other seat for the
Beaufighter
Do-217
He 219
Mosquito
and Do-335
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oops and I forgot the seaplane set
Catalina
Emily (mmmm)
Sunderland
Do-24
for scouting the fleet? hmmm would anyone fly them.
The sunderland had uber guns but pathetic bombload. maybe wait till subs are introduced?
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"for scouting the fleet? hmmm would anyone fly them."
Sure. Perhaps if HTC made it so that if the scout (PBY) is used in combination with the mission planner that the volunteer pilot/copilot can click on the arena map on the location they spot the enemy fleet. Then the mission participants can see a "bullseye" of some sort where upon they can vector to strike it. If the fleet is damaged or sunk then that PBY/scout crew who placed the bullseye on the fleet get full share of the mission perk points when the mission is done. But they have to be alive and in close proximity to the fleet (within 25 miles) to get those. Not parked on the water, not off burning circles in the sky three grids away and not hanging in a chute after bailing from 30k :) If they die the bullseye still stays where it was initially placed (does not track the fleet) untill the mission is over or someone in the mission moves it to bring it closer to the fleet in tracking it. But the have to be within 5 miles of the marker and within visual range of the fleet it's marking. And perhaps only allow one bullseye marker, per fleet, per grid. (If two fleets are in a grid then two bullseye markers can be placed but by seperate crews though. This will cut down on low life perk point potatos who fire off thier own missions in the planner and free load on others success. It's a rough idea but it could be appealing to a lot of people.
Also? Maybe allow it to be the only aircraft type that can resupply a damaged fleet? You know to go along with that new, more complex and realistic naval damage model we'll be getting in two weeks ;)
Or? Points for picking up ditched pilots?
So right there are three ways a PBY could be made more fun to use in the MA than it probably would be.
Otherwise it will just be a noveltry. A fun one for sure. Much the same way a lot of people use C47's to scout for land attacks ;)
Westy
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I like it westy. complicated and, as it stands, prolly full of holes for bush laywer types to exploit, but definitely adds a realism factor to finding the fleet for perks.
Course at the speed it takes to create a fighter (and Im not complaining, good things take time) Theres prolly lots more useful planes before seaplanes but..... one day maybe?
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Originally posted by Fariz
Still no perk gv, people keep getting gv's perks and no where to spend them.
HiTech what about Ferrari F50 as perk GV for fariz ?
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Hmm lets just RESET all the perkcounters in MA :D So noone will complain about cumulated zillions of perks for a while again... :D
Edit: Or give us more perk rides to spend them in :)
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
MG-38(?) sub-machinegun, (known incorrectly as the "Schmeisser")
That would probably be the MP-38, known correctly as the "Schmessier" It was extremely rare though. More common was the MP-40 (the German SMG you see in all Hollywood movies) incorrectly known as the "Schmessier".
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Hortlund,
Thanks for the info...that's the one I was thinking of: "the one you see in Hollywood movies".
SKurj,
Yes, we need much more space to discuss infantry. But will it really take until 4.00? We have already seen deadly pizza-flinging giants (on the last evening of the 2000 convention). A smaller figure with a Panzerfaust would seem the next evolutionary step.
MRPLUTO, VMF-323, ~Death Rattlers~
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The MiG-3 is a decent plane, but it's only really good at high alts compared to the 109F. The MiG-3U is the best of the series at all alts, plus it has 2x20mm MGs but it's a '42 aircraft. The MiG-3 has abysmal E retention and it's armament would be comparable to the C.202... maybe a little better with 12.7mm gunpods on the wings, but it's still no real gem.
To have a "good" early war planeset for the Russians, a LaGG-3 ('41 model), MiG-3 (for intercepting bombers), I-16 Tip-24 (good armament), and I-153P (twin 20mm cannon, can also load bombs and rockets- a good close air support aircraft) would be really good for an early war Russian scenario.
I've been playing too much Il-2. But Il-2 doesn't support large scale online wars... which is why it would be cool to have a (somewhat) complete early war planeset for the Eastern front in AH... that and an I-16 for the MA would be a lotta fun. :-)
-SW
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If Pyro is wondering where people got the idea of a "surprise plane" in 1.09, he should reread this post. Did HiTech really say this? Did anyone besides MrPluto witness this "announcement"?
Also, I heard HT say there might be a "surprise" plane in 1.09. My guess is the Stuka