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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Downtown on July 03, 2000, 06:53:00 PM
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Everyone else is advertising for their rides, we got request for BOB and 42" Pac plane sets.
I want the
(http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1/0621.gif)
Also the KI-43, KI-45, G3M and G4M.
Call it a CBI Planeset.
I know a couple other folks want the underdog of the war the P-40 represented, let Pyro and HT know, acknowledge this post with a punt Below!
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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PUNT
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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You got my vote, while you're at it add any planes which saw action before 1943.
ra
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P-40b AND P-40E!! The most underestimated plane(s) to date.
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Bring 'em on!
(http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/enthor/avg40b.jpg)
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
[This message has been edited by Sunchaser (edited 07-03-2000).]
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I would suppose that HT will be taking some time off his rigorous schedule(and rightly so).I too have lost immediate family members and can attest to the immense drain it puts on the will.I should hope that we all drop our expectations of AH future devopement for an indefinate amount of time.I personally lost all drive and hope for at least a full year each time I suffered such a catastrophic loss as Dale has now to endure.
That being said,at the end of my mourning period,I gradually started to realize my inate passions again.I'm sure HTC will go on again as we all learn to do.The hardest lesson in life is 'letting the pain go'.
But,...P-40 has always been my favorite dream too Downtown (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).Life goes on mates,keep the passion.
By-Tor
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I've said it before.. I'll say it again:
If the P-40 is modelled... I'll make it my permanent ride. (squad nights excluded)
I've loved this plane since I was 4!
AKDejaVu
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Hey Sunchaser, I have that exact same model plane as you do. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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*PUNT*
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"Happiness is a belt-fed weapon"
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(http://www.web-birds.com/p40/p40-02.jpg)
(http://www.web-birds.com/p40/p40-w000.jpg)
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Here is a link to a site with some excellent reference material on the Flying Tigers.
http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/ (http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/)
I've attached some pictures...the two in color show the only Flying Tiger variant of the P-40 flying today. The fellow in the cockpit is Erik Shilling...alive and kicking today...sitting in the cockpit of that aircraft.
(http://www.doitnow.com/~alfakilo/AVG.jpg)
(http://www.doitnow.com/~alfakilo/AVG2.jpg)
(http://www.doitnow.com/~alfakilo/AVG3.jpg)
If you like the P-40 and the way it was flown by the AVG, then you gotta like the BnZ and the HO!
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P-40B, P-40E and P-40N. Nuff said.
Amercian Icon? You bet!
- Jig
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I'll fly it.
popeye
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Erik sat in that plane at Chino, he didn't fly it. Also that plane is a "C" the Flying Tigers Flew "B's"
I have had much communication with CC and Erik on the Subject.
I also reccomend The Official Flying Tigers Web Site (http://www.flyingtigersavg.com)
Dan Ford wrote "Flying Tigers" for the Smithsonian (http://www.danford.net)
Of course P-40.com (http://www.p-40.com)
As well as rec.aviation.military newsgroup.
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
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Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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Other thing with the Chino "C."
Note the P-40Bs in the B&W picture of the Tigers, English L shaped Pitot Tube.
The Chino "C" has a straight Pitot Tube.
Also the Tigers didn't paint their nose cones red, they were spinach (dark forrest green) like the rest of the green on the planes.
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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when they wereen't repainting um dayly to confuse the japanese
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I have never read that the Tigers repainted them daily, the chinese did however build a number of bamboo mockups of P-40s that were strafed quite regularly by the Japanese.
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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So that's where it went!
Dammit Beefcake, give it back, I knew I built one but all I could find was that pic.
I have 13 P40s, six are in AVG markings but not pilot specific, the rest S. African, Russian, British and US.
I am too lazy to look it up right now but I think the AVG did indeed paint spinners red.
I could be wrong though.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Well, check the links I have above, and ask Erik Shilling and Dick Rossi yourselves if you don't belive me.
Dick and Erik can be reached via the rec.aviation.military newsgroup, also via deja news.
And you can ask the others (Tex Hill, Ken Jernstedt, Etc) at the Official Flying Tigers Website. (http://www.flyingtigersavg.com) Post a message to the web editor and he will get back to you.
They were green.
Also you can check in with Dan Ford (http://www.danford.net) at the My Delphi Forums (http://www.mydelphi.com) look for the Annals of Military Aviation Forum. Dan Ford wrote "Flying Tigers" for the smithsonian.
Other than that, you have to build a time machine and go to China, mid august 1941 to July 1942.
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
[This message has been edited by Downtown (edited 07-05-2000).]
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You get my Vote and Punt.....Love the P40,
and enjoy it immensly in the other sim specially the B model, im suprised it hasnt been done yet in Aces High but i got vibes that its just round the corner after the JU-88 and Lancaster.
Long live the poor man's spit,
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Bah you bring the stukie I'll stuka you to death
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I'll take a nice p40 anyday (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Bring on the PTO!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
S!
Rocket
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I want one, I really do! (P-40, that is)
buhdman, out
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Walt (buhdman) Barrow
(formerly lt-buhd-lite)
The Buccaneers - "Return with Honor"
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I was lucky enough to get to watch the Cavanaugh P-40N fly at the 4th of July show (held on the 3rd for some reason). I went over to the airport early and snagged a spot about 75 yards from the runup area at the north end of Addison Airport. The P-40N has been painted up in honor of Charlie Bond who was also a volunteer at the museum. Watching that bird lift off and fly was a wonderful thing to see.
They also few a Steerman, L-4, 3 T-6's, a T-34, TBM, and the Mustang.
SB
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Sure was pretty watching it fly SharkBait (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I was just down the ramp from ya. At Cavanaughs then out by the Taxiway for the flybys.....now if I could convince my wife not to announce to everyone that "Look the cute plane stuck its legs out" as it was dropping gear.
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Yo SB!!! Long time.
You gonna do some AH killing, or just lurking? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye
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Hiya Pops =)
Seems the only AH killing I do these days is myself <g>
We get a Pacific Theater up and I'll live up to my name once again!!
SB
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Checking in!! Favorite comedy movie too I might add!
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Ooops.. I've already replied to this thread... 9 months ago (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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*punt* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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P-40b!!!
underdogs are my favorite planes to fly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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me too, me too
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Don't know how well it would fit with the planeset. Maybe the P-40N?
How would the P-40N compare to say, my Jug?
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It would fit about as well as the zeke or c.202. But, I don't really care. I'd still fly it exclusively.
AKDejaVu
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I dunno how well it fit in, but she is a vicious looking beastie.........
(http://www.crosswinds.net/~milenko201/drendel_p40.jpg)
AND
(http://www.crosswinds.net/~milenko201/p-40kittyhawk.jpg)
BTW, I got quite a few P-40 pics, as well as P-51, P-47, and P-38's, looking fer sumthin let me know.
<S>
Milenko
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PUNT
anRky
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Gets my vote.
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I'm still here.
AKDejaVu
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I would prefer a P-40B or P-40E.
oddly later models of the p40 get better range and less speed.
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Heya P-40 guys!
How about we try to convince HTC on these for 1.08:
P-40B and/or P-40E
Mosquito FB.VI Series 2
P1Y1 Ginga or Ki67
Me410A
Tu-2
J2M3 Raiden "Jack"
Re2005 or G.55
That would get you the P-40 (I don't think the US set is lacking in the late war aircraft (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) and would get some of the most desired aircraft that remain to be added.
What do ya say?
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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The P-40B and P-40E would be a most welcome addition to the AH planeset, methinks!
You guys really need another version of the P-47! The P-47AA! Yea! That's the ticket!
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Very nice! I am sure I speak for the rest of
the "Hell's Angels" when I say, "Hell, yes!".
We're a young squad and I don't think many of them have found their way to this board yet.
We'd love any P-40, but especially the one
pictured above.
www.3rdpursuitavg.homestead.com (http://www.3rdpursuitavg.homestead.com)
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got my vote (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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DRILL
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I have heard that the Krauts killed that bird in Afrika/Sicily like flies on your kitchen-table. Is that true, or just a rumor???
Best regards
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P-40's would be sweet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Loved it in WarBirds, when its E model was brand new.
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Still waiting patiently for my P-40B/E (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Buhdman, out
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As far as the Krauts swatting P-40s like flies in Nth Africa, ahem, I 'don't think so ;?) They definitely had the statistical advantage, but it was actually lower than the adv. that the LW had over the RAF's Spit Vs during late 1941-early 1943.
As far as which P-40 I'd like 2 see modelled 1st, I definitely vote for the P-40E Warhawk/Kittyhawk I.The Desert Air Force's P-40s were THE original Flying Tigers.Members of the AVG admitted that they took the idea for the shark/tiger mouths from DAF P-40s ('Pappy' even mentioned it in his autobiography).
In fact, WW2's top P-40 ace was Australia's top ace, Clive "Killer" Caldwell ,who got his handle due to his habit of shooting up targets of opportunity on the way home from a sortie & never coming back with any ammo left in the clip - an epithet he supposedly disliked.He scored 20.5 kills in the P-40 whilst serving in the DAF.Although he was an RAAF officer, he was chosen to lead one of the DAF's two most famous fighter squadrons, the RAF's 112Sq. (the other of the 2 was the RAAF's No.3 Sq. which ended WW2 with the top kill tally of any DAF squadron).
Caldwell then returned home to defend northern Australia from the Japs and nailed a further 8 kills (flying a tropicalised Spit Vc) for a final total of 28.5 confirmed kills (as well as at least 6 probables and at least 18 damaged!).He was one of the very few Allied pilots to score kills against all 3 major Axis powers - Germany, Japan, and Italy, including 5 German kills in 1 day whilst leading 112Sq.
His score is even more remarkable because he did not fly another air to air mission from late 1943-early 44.This was mainly thnx to Gen. Macarthur who refused to let Australian ground & air forces join with his American forces on the island hopping campaign of 1944-45.Whilst Americans frog leaped Jap held islands otw to the Japanese home islands, Australian forces were tasked with dangerous & generally meaningless campaigns to destroy Jap units which would've withered on the vine anyway.Thousands of Aussie casualties were suffered in the last 18 months of WW2 on these missions.Pacific-based RAAF squadrons basically spent the last 18 months of WW2 on extremely dangerous & irrelevant CAS sorties against dug in Jap positions.Frustration grew to the point that in early 1945 Caldwell led a "mutiny" of leading RAAF wing & squadron commanders in protest.
However, as much as I'd like to see Caldwell's camo scheme for any future AH P-40 (he flew both the P-40B Tomahawk & P-40E Kittyhawk), there IS a major problem with his a/c code.When he returned back to Australia to lead a Spitfire fighter wing against the Japs, his personal a/c code was "CR-C" (his initials).However, whilst leading 112Sq. in Nth Africa, his a/c code was different.All 112Sq.'s a/c had "GA" as the 1st two letters of their 3 letter a/c code.Guess what was the last letter in Caldwell's a/c's code? Yes, you guessed it, it was "Y" !!!! ROFLMAO.
So even though any P-40B or E modelled in AH really deserves to be modelled as Caldwell's a/c as he was the P-40 ace of aces, I'm not sure whether most AH users (including patriotic Aussies like myself) want to fly an a/c with the code "GA-Y" painted in huge letters on their a/c !!! Admittedly, the code on the starboard side was "Y-AG"(or "Y-GA", I can't remember which), but you can't keep your enemy on your starboard side all the time ;?)
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Yup, I'm in..and a Ki-43 for a counter. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Still patiently waiting.
AKDejaVu
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I want tyhe AVG type P40.
I also want an early P39/P400.
I also want an F4F.
These would add much charater to the rather boring and unvaried US lineup.
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Hey Sunchaser, didn't know your here to.
The P-40s and Hurricanes got slapped around by the 109F/G and the 202. The allies in north africa had the numerical advangtage but the itlians/germans had better quality planes and tactics. There were only 120 something 109Fs in north africa compared to alot more hurris and P40s.
The P-40 can go up agaisnt a zero the historical way using BnZ. But against the 109f/g and 202 the p-40 is outclassd by these fighters.
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Yes!! P40 please, and in chinese markings, russian markings, N Afrika markings
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SKurj
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Damn....another year gone already??
Pdog, I have been here forever, just took a break for IL2 and will probably take another one soon.
So HTC, about that P40....
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<homer mode> mmmmm p-40
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Whadda ya know, my favorite thread pops its head up again. :)
anRky
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I'd fly the P40 if it got introduced. It wouldn't be my main ride, but I have always thought that plane was just plain pretty. Whats the difference between the P40B/P40E/and the P40N?
Just curious is all.
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P-40's Vs Zekes! :)
That would be a blast in the CT! :D
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P-40B would have to be in original AVG Flying Tigers colors with Chinese insignias (per the mirrored image in the original post by Downtown). I would love it as much as the P-51 that was designed to replace it.
As for the differences, like all US aircraft over time: increase speed, power, and weight; decrease maneuverability. P-40B had 2 x 0.50 cal and 4 x 0.30 cal vice 6 x 0.50 cal of later versions. P-40B had inferior (at altitude) Allison engine and was only flown by the AVG. The P-40C had minor changes, mainly the addition of a few pounds to support using a drop tank. Eventually, the Merlin was used. Without looking it up, I am pretty sure from the P-40E and later. But the airframe changes to accomodate the engine and heavier armament had adverse affects on turning and climbing, but increased max speed and max altitude.
I have little interest in the E or N, they are essentially similar to a P-51B Mustang minus about 10% to 20% or more of the range, speed, altitude, and climb performance. The P-40B not only looks better, but can turn pretty well compared to later fighters. Yet, it nearly equaled the superior diving performance of later, heavier US fighters.
I would still like to see all three major variants come out at the same time (perhaps a dual release of the P-40B/C: the B in AVG colors, the C in RAF colors?
Also, might as well throw in the P-51A/A-36. Of course, my preferences aside, the P-40B/C needs the A6M2 Zero, Ki-43 Oscar, and North African variants of the Bf109E/F and Ju87 to have a real party.
I would love to fly any or all of these planes.
P.S. Even throw in the F2A Buffalo, which of course requires adding the F4F as well :p
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streakeagle,
The P-51 was not designed to replace the P-40.
The British were going to purchase a bunch of Curtis P-40s when North American told them not to, that North American would design and build a new, better fighter for them. They did, and the British named it the Mustang MkI. When North American tried to interest the USAAF they couldn't. It wasn't until we were at war that we got interested.
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Ok bring the P40 and... erm, while you're at it, why not bring the Catalina as well? ;)
It's an early-mid-late war plane, PTO, ETO, u name the place, she was there.
Yes, but, ok the P40 is ok too :D
Daniel, aka Cyrano
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Good to see you're still trying Downtown! :D
I'd like to see the P40 also!
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yep.. love to see a p40 b or e (both have allison engines) in AH but.. Besides the half dozen true fans and martyr's out there... they would be useless in the current MA. Even The zeke we have is the one with the titanium armor so not an early model.
We would need at least 3-4 planes all introduced at once and a place (besides the CT) for em to fly to make it worthwhile. I would say, P40E, 109e, SpitI, ki43 and say an f4f3 or P39 with early versions of the zeke and hurri one thrown in. Even stukas and vals would work inb such a crowd.
For a place to fly em we would need and early war "area" in the arena or... a modified RPS with say 2 days at the beggining of the tour for early war and if it were popular add days as needed... Perhaps a few days at the end for the late war and fantasy planes like the 152 and such also.
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For what it's worth, the CM's submitted a list of planes (at HTC's request) to be developed to support scenarios. A P-40 varient was on the list (either -E or -N). I will definitely spend a lion's share of time in MA in this plane. The -B is too early at this point in the a/c development schedule. The -N is, IMNSHO, the most likely varient to be produced first. It was the last model produced in larget numbers (over 3,000), and served in every theater except western Europe.
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When I said it was designed to replace P-40... I meant exactly what you said, I just didn't want to go into detail about the facts: North American turned out the design of one of the greatest airframes in the war in a couple weeks as an alternative to producing P-40s for Britain... To me that's just long-winded way of saying it was designed to replace the P-40 (even if the scope is limited to a British contract). And eventually it sure as hell did replace the P-40 (the primary single-inline engine fighter when the war started)... name another single engine inline fighter that flew with the USAAF in signifcant numbers (throws out the P-39 which we pretty much pushed off on the Soviet Union) besides the P-40 and the P-51... once the P-51 got the merlin its production far exceeded the meager numbers of P-40s. But Curtiss had been a powerful company and would never be forced to build P-51s the way GM, Ford, and Vega were forced to license build other companies designs, so token production of P-40s continued throughout the war. I don't remember, but was the P-40 the last Curtiss military design to ever go into production?
Curtiss did try to sue North American over the P-51 design. They claimed that North American used their access to the P-40 design as the basis for the P-51 (hence the short design time). I laugh at Curtiss for that: aerodynamically and structurally, the only things they have in common are single-inline engine and low-wing tail dragger plus the standard US 0.50 cal armament. The P-51 incorporated the newly developed laminar flow wing to get superior performance with less power (i.e. low drag!).
If the E did not have Merlin, was the F the first Merlin? I am too lazy to look it up. But the E did have substantial changes to the airframe/radiator. Only the B/C has the sleek chin scoop evolved from the XP-37. The E starts getting too heavy... and the N would be the last variant I would want to fly.
But I am not as picky as I sound... Just as long as HTC keeps adding as many well-modeled planes as possible. I love them all, I just have a few favorites like the B-17, P-51, P-40, and F4U.
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[ 08-20-2001: Message edited by: streakeagle ]
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(* punt *)
Pretty please :)
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works for me :)
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PUNT
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Absolutly gotta have one, yup, gimme gimme! :D
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Yup :)
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Yeah, i need a new american fighter to kill. Im getting tired of blasting P-38s and runstangs.
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only the F and the L were merlin powered with single stage 2 speed superchargers. The N (allison) was the fastest p40 but the F (merlin) was faster at 20k. The merlin and the P40 was not a happy marriage and only about 1700 merlin P40's were produced even tho Packard was easily able to produce any merlins needed.
lazs
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The P40 is one of the best looking prop planes ever built. I'd like to see it in Aces High.
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'Since a lot of these stories are about a P-39, I'd better point out a few things that may sound technical at first, but I assure you are not. Every fighter plane had certain foibles. The P-40 had narrow landing gear which gave her a tendency to groundloop if you let her swing the least bit on landing. Or even on takeoff. I remember a story an Australian flyer told me about the first P-40 squadron to arrive at Darwin in the early days of the war. They came in from the Philippines and Java, and everyone at the RAAF station watched these Yanks as they took care of their strange, aggressive-looking aircraft. And then the squadron leader started to take off, and halfway down the runway the P-40 ground-looped. She spun around in a cloud of reddust, and one wheel crumpled, and she caught a wing and cartwheeled, and in a second there was nothing left of her but a heap of twisted metal ticking quietly in the heat.
All the Aussies ran over, aghast, and the pilot miraculously crawled out of the wreckage and strolled away. And my friend ran up to him and said, "My God, what happened?"
And the Yank said, "Nothin' happened, son. She just swung a little."'
-from Nanette by Edwards Park
Oh, BTW--
PUNT
anRky
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109E3 - 7, Spit Mk Ib, P40B, Hurri Mk Ia
PUNT
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Originally posted by ra:
You got my vote, while you're at it add any planes which saw action before 1943.
ra
Effing ah!
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(http://www.dbstaines.com/images/06212.GIF)
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RAAF, or RNZAF P-40E/K/M/N
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/RNZAF%20P-40.jpg)
Tronsky
486 Sqn (NZ),"Hiwa hau Maka"
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Bring the P-40! Nice plane, nice fiter for North African and PAC scenarios :)