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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: pimpjoe on March 07, 2002, 11:03:56 PM
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i was in the CT for a while and i engaged a p47, p38, and about 20 spitfires...is there anything that can be done about this?
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BLAME FUNKED :D
He's training his offspring :eek:
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Originally posted by pimpjoe
i was in the CT for a while and i engaged a p47, p38, and about 20 spitfires...is there anything that can be done about this?
Obviously we need to perk the P47 and the P38.
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lol Hortland :)
Westy
(been too busy to be online the past week but last time it was P-51, 51, 51, 51 and more P-51's. So Spits, Spits, Spits actually surprises people?)
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Peace, guys. Tomorrow is another day (and another CT set up). The LW dominated the first half of this CT tour, sweeping the Allies from Sicily, Malta, and Linosa in just a couple of days. After the reset, I enabled Spit's and as a result all the folks suffering from Spit-deprivation went on a Spit-binge. That didn't stop the Axis from taking Malta again, and holding on to a good chunk of Sicily as well. And that was against 2:1 odds much of the time.
I guess the question I have is, does the higher Allied attendance since the reset relect a wide-scale desire to fly Spits? And if so, where were they and what were they flying before the reset Tuesday night? Or is it simply a case of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"? Do the people so hate flying against Spits that they're switching to Allies so they don't have to?
The bottom line is, we can't please everyone all the time. That's one of the reasons we rotate the planeset and terrain every week in the CT.
Sabre
CT Team
P.S. Thank God the next set up is Brady's! It'll be his turn to deal with the "give us our Spits - get rid of the Spits" debate for a week:). Brady, you got your esbestos underwear on?
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"Do the people so hate flying against Spits that they're switching to Allies so they don't have to?"
??? :mad: Damn NANCY boys.
-- Westy
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S:mad:P :mad: I:mad: T:mad:S
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Sabre dont use the capture of malta as a guage for LW being vastly superior!!!
that is rediculous.
I was online for the capture and it was with 10 people online.
I arrived after half of it was milkrun then a few showed up and a fight insued. hurricanes(maybe 3 or 4 players) vs 109s and ju88s and il2s(maybe 6 players) constantly throwing ourselves at the base less than a mile apart.It in no way shows LW as superior.
Linosa was almost a milkrun after the allied players left and just me and drunky tried to level it.A fight (and a good one) insued when furzy and a friend tried to stop us (by this time 4 or so axis) but finally we overpowered it when the hangers were leveled by a 8 man squad (4 stormo) flew too many ju88s for furzy and co to handle.
I suggest next time the allied fleet is off the coast of A10 you fly LW and try to sink it with just 2 or 3 spits and f6f around.
Then you will see just how 'dominating' the LW are!! lol
you wont be able to torpedo it without dieing loads of times,you cant climb out of the base becuse flak slaughters you.you cant stay low and turnfight spits, you cant sink the ship by divebombing unless you are extremely lucky or the defenders leave you to it(unlikely).All the while the allied players can launch from a pretty safe platform,climb above into flak zone and dive on the defendrs and all the while shell the crap out of A10.
real fun to be LW in that mess i can tell you!(and that was sarcasm)
sabre my guess is you havent flown as LW much, correct me if im wrong?
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Originally posted by hazed-
sabre my guess is you havent flown as LW much, correct me if im wrong?
try 0 as LW... unless he went 0-0 and merely landed a lw ride without anything happening. :rolleyes:
then again he has only a few sorties in CT under this map, must be busy doing other things. ;)
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Simmer down, Hazed. What I said was:
That didn't stop the Axis from taking Malta again, and holding on to a good chunk of Sicily as well. And that was against 2:1 odds much of the time.
I don't see the use of terms such as "vastly superior" or "dominating" anywhere in there, do you?:). I merely meant to infer that availability of the Spit may have made the Luftwaffe's job harder, not impossible. The comment was also an offhanded compliment to those who have been flying LW inspite of the Spitfires. In any event, it sounds like you've had some pretty fun fights in the CT, along with the frustrating times (good and bad in everything, I guess).
Any you're right, I haven't flown Luftwaffe in this set up. I flown very little at all, as Shane points out. I have spent a lot of time in Luftwaffe planes, however. I love the 109, and fly it often. The few times I've been in the CT this tour I've flown Allied because that's were my squadies were flying. Other tours I've flown exclusively Axis.
Right now, in addition to keeping an eye on the CT (which I check several times a day to see that everything's running smooth), I'm working a special terrain project with Sundog, working 40 hours a week, tending to the needs of a new house, my wife, my four kids (three teenagers:eek: ! what was I thinking), and trying to finish a novel. Anyone who's been an active member of the CM corp can probably appreciate the negative impact it has on your flying time. That doesn't mean I'm not paying attention to the situation on-line. Brady, Hblair, and I are doing our best to give people the AH experience they're looking for, and take all suggestions, gripes, and complaints seriously. So you'll forgive me if the sarcasm is lost on me.
No hard feelings here, Hazed, and I'm not angry. I'm just a little frustrated. Guess my skin's been worn a little thin lately. Not enough beer, I think:cool: .
Sabre
CT Team
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who cares ... it's all in fun :)
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This just in: Spitfires one of most popular WWII aircraft among natives of planet earth.
Extra News Update: Spitfires primary RAF fighter in World War 1939-1945.
News Flash: RAF significant combatant in all theaters of World War 1939-1945.
Spits are a historical part of this setup. If you guys want to legislate Spits out places where they were historically significant, have fun, because a lot of us won't fly there.
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we call 'em toejamfires and you call us spitcriers. :D
weeeeeeeee
F.
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I love flying against Spitfires in my 205 in the CT. I'm glad they're there.
What I don't love is flying against between five and eight Spitfires at once, consistently, all night long in my 205 in the CT. That gets old. It's not so much a plane thing as it is a numbers thing IMO. The Allies have enjoyed substantial numbers advantages every time I've logged into the CT for the last week, which strikes me as kind of silly when there are only 30 to 40 people flying. Ah, well.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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see...even the master spitdweeb:p himself doesnt like seeing the hordes of em!:)
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double post:o
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What Todd/Leviathan said.
I logged on tonight for some rare online flying and there were only 6 people in the CT at 9pm eastern time. So I simply went to fly with my MOL squaddies in the MA before the TOD.
I hope folks come to thier senses. It's no fun when it's 3 to 1 odds generating perpetual gang bangs (be it in Spits or P-51's). This will only hurt the CT in the long run. If it continues to be like this and numbers drop off to single or the teens again then the players only have themselves to blame.
Westy
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Last time I was in the CT I was preparing to take off in a Mossie only to have a 109 dive through the AA (completely useless stuff) and vulch me.
Now, you can argue that it was my mistake for trying to get off the ground at a base that had an enemy anywhere near it, but from my perspective it was a demonstration by somebody (the 109 pilot) who simply wanted more Spitfires in the CT. I'm sure that he didn't get any fun out of that vulch, I know I didn't. On the other hand I do enjoy a good fight, even if I lose, and if I have to fly Spits to get that, so be it.
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hmmm was that me karnak? if so it was nothing more than seeing a dot at a base and being determined to not let *another* gang-banging spit/allied get up, by time one gets id at 3k, it's a little late to pull off when you're tearing in for the kill.
iirc, i even apologized for that vulch, then proceeded to pop you again later on when you had more alt and another mossie wingy, which was a fun fight, no? then you logged i guess because you weren't allowed to get your eggs on target?
to me it's not so much the spits themselves, as it was the constant nbr imbalance in conjunction with them being mostly spits.
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Spits..(http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/cwm/cwm/piss.gif)
If we try all together maybe we can get them rusty..:p
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LOL Stegor:D
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Pimpjoe, I taught Dumb Mother F... uhhh I mean Dead Man Flying everything he knows about Spits! He is merely a Spitdweeb apprentice, and a lowly one at that!
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Lets just remove all Spitfires from the CT permamently. They obviously have no place there.
Let the CT be the place where people can get away from the aircraft that they constantly squeak about, the Spitfire, N1K2 and La-7. Permamently ban those fighters from the CT.
Just don't expect to see amny people, including me, in the CT after that is done.
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Karnak... from what i have seen (been watching CT numbers daily) since the change in spits, the numbers have been cut in half in the CT....
make your own conclusions...
SKurj
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I've always wondered how those that claim to want historical matchups would respond when they finally got them. I guess this response is quite historically accurate. I seriously doubt the Germans enjoyed seeing so many spitfires either.
I guess the CT should be changed to the LW arena... and all the apropriate LWhines should be made law. Then, all runstangs and spitdweebs could be put in their place... Of course, it would be a pretty boring arena now that you don't really allow anyone to fly on the other side.
AKDejaVu
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Well AKDejaVu there is a huge difference between replicating WWII era aircombat with historically opposing WWII aircraft and replicating WWII itself.
Westy
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Well westy.. I wasn't even referring to simulating WW2. Right now, the CT can't even handle historical matchups all that well.
AKDejaVu
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No the CT can't handle it without checks in place (perk point cost). For as the numbers increase the herd usually tends to gravitate towards the numbers first and then the emmediate gratification rides second (no slam to those who actually love the 51 or the Spit and prefer it for more personal reasons)
This line from you post is the one that made me feel you were trying to say that the CT somehow ended up resembling WWII; "I guess this response is quite historically accurate. I seriously doubt the Germans enjoyed seeing so many spitfires either."
Westy
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The point of that line is, if you want historical matchups (historical accuracy)... you have to expect to see the same matchups over and over again. They were not diverse. They did not cater to the whims of the enemy. They used the most effective plane for the job. Somehow.. that's not condoned in the CT.
Really... the one complaint that should not be cropping up is "seeing too many spits".
I can understand some of the complaints about some of the U.S. planes being used that weren't in the area... but wonder if people realize just what they are saying when they bring it up.
Its just wierd to see people complain about too many spits and too many non-brit allied planes in two adjacent threads.
I'm trying to figure out just what the hell that leaves.
Really... the nearest I can figure... what the axis side really wants is all 109s and 190s against the hurricanes. Not those damn spit 5s and DEFINATELY not those damn Spit IXs. Then... the LW pilots can enjoy the kind of arial combat success they feel they are entitled too.
Really... it should be named the LW arena.
AKDejaVu
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"used the most effective plane for the job. Somehow.. that's not condoned in the CT."
Well we're on two different planes of thought then. I thought the complaint was more the issue of the large lopside in numbers which was made all the worse as the gang bangers flew mostly Spits.
Westy
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Didn't see anything about lopsided numbers westy... just the unusual ratio of spits to p47s and p38s. With the request that something be done about it.
lopsided numbers are another story... and when you have to modulate that by creating a less desirable CT... then you are shooting yourself in the foot.
Even in the other thread.. the complaint wasn't about numbers but rather having a chance against the planeset.
As I read through this thread and the other, the age old question comes up. Does the LW complain because they lack numbers or do they lack numbers because they complain.
When I fly the CT.. I fly LW because I like to have more enemy to engage. I've killed more spitfires than anything else. I just fail to see what needs to be fixed in that scenario. And I really fail to see what merrits "spitdweeb" being thrown around in this arena too.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Didn't see anything about lopsided numbers westy... just the unusual ratio of spits to p47s and p38s. With the request that something be done about it.
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My post had little to do with Spitfires and a whole lot to do with sheer numbers. I enjoy fighting Spitfires in my 205, and it wouldn't bother me if every single enemy I encountered in the CT was some Spitfire variant. What made the CT experience so horrendous wasn't what was flying against the Luftwaffe, but rather the sheer numbers flying against it. It may be historical for the Luftwaffe to be continuously outnumbered two, three, or sometimes four to one or more, every night for a week... but it's also not very fun. I don't enjoy being someone's gangbang fodder.
lopsided numbers are another story... and when you have to modulate that by creating a less desirable CT... then you are shooting yourself in the foot.
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I don't fly in the CT anymore because of the consistent, often ludicrous numbers imbalances I faced when flying there. Would modulating numbers create a less desirable CT? It's hard to make it any less desirable to me at this point.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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My post had little to do with Spitfires and a whole lot to do with sheer numbers.
And your post was the first to mention numbers. Not a single one before yours did.. and yours was well down the list. The thread was started by someone else. Someone else that did not mention anything but overuse of a plane.
I don't fly in the CT anymore because of the consistent, often ludicrous numbers imbalances I faced when flying there. Would modulating numbers create a less desirable CT? It's hard to make it any less desirable to me at this point.
I did not say a numbers imballance was fun for the LW flyers. I just doubt that reducing the numbers of pilots flying for the allies to match the numbers flying for the LW is the right direction to go.
I also have doubts about the "there aren't enough LW flying so I'm not going to fly in the CT" crowd. Nothing better than reinforcing the lopsidedness. Of course, you combine this with the "I see too many spits so I'm not going to fly" crowd and that really doesn't leave many.
8:1 numbers are not a result of an arena imballance. They are the result of an individual thinking he should be able to fly and fight allone regardless of what the enemy wants to do. Disregarding all other options... many of those individuals choose to log off. Its better than flying with a group of people from your own country.
AKDejaVu
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The purpose of the CT is to be an alternative to the MA. I believe the setups should be fun first and historical second. If they were perfectly historical they would be lopsided and noone would fly there. Sometimes they are not as perfect as we would like them to be. We learn from our mistakes and move on. We are limited in the terrains we have at our disposal right now but have more on the way. My WWII arena planeset is up next week and then hopefully we'll be flying in a brand new terrain/setup the week after. Please don't write the CT off just yet. Keep trying it out.
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I also have doubts about the "there aren't enough LW flying so I'm not going to fly in the CT" crowd. Nothing better than reinforcing the lopsidedness. Of course, you combine this with the "I see too many spits so I'm not going to fly" crowd and that really doesn't leave many.
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If refusing to be gangfodder in an arena that I did not find enjoyable because of its massive numbers discrepencies reinforces lopsidedness, so be it. It wasn't always that way. In fact, the numbers were quite even (even with Spit Vs active, I might add) in the terrain before that, leading to plenty of excellent matchups between Ki-61s, N1Ks, F6Fs, P-38s, etc. Once the switch was made to the Sicily terrain, for whatever reason -- planeset, inclination, scenario training -- the numbers gravitated toward the Allies so extremely as to make my time flying there less enjoyable than I'd hoped. As I pay to enjoy my time flying and not provide an extra target for hordes of enemies, I've chosen to fly in other arenas for now.
8:1 numbers are not a result of an arena imballance. They are the result of an individual thinking he should be able to fly and fight allone regardless of what the enemy wants to do. Disregarding all other options... many of those individuals choose to log off. Its better than flying with a group of people from your own country.
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I don't think that you're getting that these were the odds while flying with people from my own country.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Also, keep in mind that there were allied squadrons practicing in the CT this past week which did affect the imbalance at times.
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If refusing to be gangfodder in an arena that I did not find enjoyable because of its massive numbers discrepencies reinforces lopsidedness, so be it.
LOL! Now.. if refusing to fly in that arena because of lopsidedness prevented you from commenting on how lopsided it was everyone would be happy. Work/play to solve the problem or shut up.
I also challange anyone to show that the "gross lopsidedness" is causing the Axis to suffer heavier casualties... causing them to be "gangfodder"... or anything of the sort.
The fighter kills are still very close in the arena. That tells me that for every "gangfodder" situation one side encounters... the other is seeing the same thing somewhere else. Time to scout your fights better.
AKDejaVu
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BTW... I'm not trying to bag on the CT. I like the idea of it and think it has its own brand of fun. I just grow excedingly tired of the continuing "your ruining my fun" death spiral that is always dominating the discussions here.
Its not everyone else that makes this game fun for you. Virtually ANY unpleasant scenario anyone describes here can be easily avoided... its just that they feel they shouldn't have to avoid it.
If not enough unpleasantness is occuring, we must complain about the less pleasant... then about the not necessarily pleasant... then just create things to complain about.
Bah... why bother. No matter how you do it, someone is going to complain about what people fly. They are going to complain about numbers (both sides) and they are going to threaten to quit/not play until things change. It just gets tiresome watching people come here and reinforce that time after time.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
LOL! Now.. if refusing to fly in that arena because of lopsidedness prevented you from commenting on how lopsided it was everyone would be happy. Work/play to solve the problem or shut up.
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I flew when there was a problem, then I stopped flying after awhile because of it. I don't quite understand what more you'd like me to do other than to continue being vastly outnumbered. I was there, I flew it, I tried to make the best of it, and then I got bored. This isn't a matter of put up or shut up, DejaVu. It's a matter of when enough is enough. Honestly, it's like you think I showed up, checked the numbers, and then logged off if they didn't suit me. It's more like I showed up, flew for a week straight while generally being outnumbered, and then just stopped showing up when I got tired of it.
[/B]The fighter kills are still very close in the arena. That tells me that for every "gangfodder" situation one side encounters... the other is seeing the same thing somewhere else. Time to scout your fights better.[/B]
The arena setup has changed recently, possibly skewing your findings. As well, I found that many Axis kills resulted from vulching fields. When you're in a vulching situation, and you have a target rich environment... the vulch kills tend to pile up.
In addition, the numbers discrepencies I've mentioned only hold for the times I was flying. I have no idea what the arena numbers were when I wasn't around, and it's entirely possibly that the situation reversed itself at every other time, evening out the aggregate numbers. However, if you want specific support for my case, check out Westy's post. NathBDP would surely back me up as well. Hblair has basically admitted to a numbers discrepency in posts here.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Bah... why bother. No matter how you do it, someone is going to complain about what people fly. They are going to complain about numbers (both sides) and they are going to threaten to quit/not play until things change. It just gets tiresome watching people come here and reinforce that time after time.
LOL I don't remember asking that anything change in the CT. I was merely making an observation about conditions in the CT, and I gave reasons for why I don't fly there right now. I didn't insist on any changes, and my returning there isn't conditional upon anything. I fly where it's enjoyable, and I don't fly where it's not enjoyable. I didn't like the consistent numbers disadvantages, so I left. How do you get, from that, that I threatened to quit or not play until things change?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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balance who cares about balance not me i prolly the worst pilot in the CT maybe thats why. all i want is to be part of history all be it vurtral. this game which i stumbled upon by accident doing a search is a fantasy come true to me.
if i could ever go back in time a ww2 fighter pilot is what i would like to experence even if on some cold jan afternoon high above germany i get killed to me it would worth it to fly one of these birds for real back then
but in a way ill take what we have now least if you get killed you can reup over and over and over again so even if its 10 to 1 spits to whatever i dont care less u actually care about your pilot score. nuff said
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Originally posted by keyapaha
if i could ever go back in time a ww2 fighter pilot is what i would like to experence even if on some cold jan afternoon high above germany i get killed to me it would worth it to fly one of these birds for real back then
Now there's a true-blue WWII aviation buff! :)
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"less u actually care about your pilot score."
Personaly I could care less about score. I'm strictly into enjoying myself when online which most often is finding (or trying to) good, exhilerating air combat. For me it's not being a punching bag for a team of back slapping gang bangers nor is it by joining them in doing the same with someone else.
Essentially I could not improve or make clearer what Todd/Leviath tried to express in several of his last posts if I had a 100 years to do it. So what I can do is back him up with a resounding "what he said!!" :)
Westy
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Looks like DMF defeats AkDejaWho? again.
Btw, the CT does suck, for the reasons listed by Leviathn. Mostly being outnumbered and having cloud layers come in to give more of an advantage to the Allied P47 BnZ cherry pickers.
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It's more like I showed up, flew for a week straight while generally being outnumbered, and then just stopped showing up when I got tired of it.
And now you just complain about that week. As if it is the standard for all that is CT. You can't quit playing because the CT is a certain way and then maintain it is still that way.The arena setup has changed recently, possibly skewing your findings. As well, I found that many Axis kills resulted from vulching fields. When you're in a vulching situation, and you have a target rich environment... the vulch kills tend to pile up.
Hmmm... you quickly dismiss exactly what you are complaining about.
The preferred method of operation in the CT (and MA for that matter) seems to be to want to follow the path of least resistance. Most chose to engage in numbers against fewer numbers. Some call it milkrunning. Even to the point that it is done "much of the time". Numbers have nothing to do with it. The first thing a person does when they get into a bad numbers situation is to look at the roster and cry "numbers are skewed"... even though only 20% of the enemy was in your area... and there's only a 1.5:1 numbers advantage. I guarantee... somewhere else someone in your country is engaging the enemy with a numbers advantage.
Damn... I even see someone here trying to justify "spits make it too difficult" because 4 pilots managed to stop him from destroying a CV... as if the planes actually made the difference.
Sigh.In addition, the numbers discrepencies I've mentioned only hold for the times I was flying. I have no idea what the arena numbers were when I wasn't around, and it's entirely possibly that the situation reversed itself at every other time, evening out the aggregate numbers. However, if you want specific support for my case, check out Westy's post. NathBDP would surely back me up as well. Hblair has basically admitted to a numbers discrepency in posts here.
Why bother? People only remember the bad times when they are posting about the here and now on this BBS. They only remember the good times when they are posting about the past. That's why someone will insist that the CT is like the good ole days... and then get pissed when they discover its exactly like the good ole days.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
And now you just complain about that week. As if it is the standard for all that is CT. You can't quit playing because the CT is a certain way and then maintain it is still that way.
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I never maintained that it was still that way. Do you even read what I post?
The first thing a person does when they get into a bad numbers situation is to look at the roster and cry "numbers are skewed"... even though only 20% of the enemy was in your area... and there's only a 1.5:1 numbers advantage. I guarantee... somewhere else someone in your country is engaging the enemy with a numbers advantage.
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I don't recall you flying at any time when I was around. Funny, then, that you demonstrate perfect knowledge of what was going on in the CT during the times I was flying there. By and large, the Sicily terrain created massive furballs in limited areas owing to the map layout. Luftwaffe often had no choice in this matter when pigeonholed into the southeastern/eastern portion of the island. There wasn't much choice involved. It was fun in this context because it meant that the fights were relatively easy to find, and the time to the fight wasn't very long. The reasons it wasn't fun for me have already been discussed.
Why bother? People only remember the bad times when they are posting about the here and now on this BBS. They only remember the good times when they are posting about the past. That's why someone will insist that the CT is like the good ole days... and then get pissed when they discover its exactly like the good ole days.
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I have little inclination to check out the CT again for the time being. I'm having fun doing other things, but that doesn't mean that the CT hasn't changed for the better. However, as long as what I'm doing right now continues to bring me enjoyment, I don't see why I should change it for the sake of a CT. If you want a positive spin on the entire Sicily setup, it did reintroduce me to what an extraordinary plane the 205 can be.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Let me make this very clear for you dmf... and for many others that are doing the same thing.
This thread started out about someone complaining that he is fighting too many spitfires. He didn't complain about skewed numbers, nor anything else.
Alas... the springboard is set for everyone and their mother to come in and tell why they no longer fly in the CT.
DID THE PRESENCE OF THE SPITFIRE CAUSE THIS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS THREAD STARTED OUT AS!
sheesh.
I'm sorry that you don't like the CT enough to fly in it right now. I have not flown in it this week because the numbers have not been over 6 in primetime when I've checked. I guess that 5 of those 6 must have been allied though... in order to meet those 8:1 odds.:rolleyes:
Everyone please stop exagerating to support your point(s). Please stop insulting others to get your way. Please stop with the "I QUIT because..." posts. Please stop and think about ways to have fun in the CT vs only settling for one particular thing and stomping your feet when its not as easy to do.
AKDejaVu
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I've been having fun in the CT. Taking on one or two spits in a 109 or 190 and at least surviving, (making 'em auger, ditch or maybe even kill 'em) is a challenge.
I rarely flew the LW birds, and don't have much experience in them or in a historical matchup. I've learned alot.
But still I seem to be limited to snapshots or deflection HO's, which seems dweeby. I just can't stick to the spitties 6.
I've tried roping, but can't get the 109 or 190 turned around onto the spit fast enough for a good shot. Any suggestions?
I believe the 109E would help level the playing field against the spits (I usually try the A5, though I'm gonna try the F8). And I hear its on the way.
edit--> BTW, its nice to have a sustained, SMALL engagement where you can learn the strengths, weaknesses of aircraft and their matchups. It's difficult for me to learn in the MA, a sustained fight usually gets me killed by Niki,La7, or some other quick swooper :)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Let me make this very clear for you dmf... and for many others that are doing the same thing.
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And again you misrepresent what it is I'm trying to communicate.
This thread started out about someone complaining that he is fighting too many spitfires. He didn't complain about skewed numbers, nor anything else.
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So? Implicit in pimpjoe's complaint was the notion that there weren't just Spitfires, but an awful lot of Spitfires. In any event, this wouldn't be the first topic to stray from the explicit meaning of the original post, and there's no reason that subsequent points should be any less valid. Would you have preferred I started a new thread entirely when I responded to pimpjoe?
Alas... the springboard is set for everyone and their mother to come in and tell why they no longer fly in the CT.
DID THE PRESENCE OF THE SPITFIRE CAUSE THIS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS THREAD STARTED OUT AS!
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I think it's valuable to find out why people aren't flying in the CT. Why are there only six people up in prime time now compared to 50 earlier this month? Why do you care so much that it wasn't the original point of this thread? It makes the point no less valid. If it would quit your whining about things being off-topic, I can make a brand new thread all about it. At this point, however, I feel that would be beating a dead horse.
I'm sorry that you don't like the CT enough to fly in it right now. I have not flown in it this week because the numbers have not been over 6 in primetime when I've checked. I guess that 5 of those 6 must have been allied though... in order to meet those 8:1 odds.
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Who's exaggerating now? My original comment was that I faced consistent numbers ranging from five to eight in combat. I also listed the arena numbers, which favored the Allies two, three, and sometimes four to one while I was on. Why do you keep latching on to the largest number listed to make your point other than hyperbole? As well, I keep stating that the CT may well be different now, so why even bring that up?
Please stop insulting others to get your way. Please stop with the "I QUIT because..." posts. Please stop and think about ways to have fun in the CT vs only settling for one particular thing and stomping your feet when its not as easy to do.
Please enlighten me about what way I would like to get? I also see nothing wrong with "I quit" posts insofar as they are instructive to the CT crew for future reference, other than the notion that they belong in a separate thread. I don't stomp my feet when something becomes boring, tiresome, or frustrating... I go where the fun is. For better or for worse, the CT is in competition with the MA for players' time, and over the last couple of weeks it's woefully failed to stack up. I look forward to the things hblair has in store for it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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eek...simmer down fella's. i didnt mean for this to turn into a flame fest:(
its not that i dont like fighting spits. i just dont like fighting 6 of them at 1 time. i would like to fight a p47, mossie, p38 ect. just as often as spits.
i understand the CT is about historical match ups. and that there were tons of spits agains few LW aircraft. but we have to remember that we have to keep it fun. nobody likes to be gangbanged. especially by spits. i like the CT. i dont go in there often but when i do i generally have a good time. but when it is just gangbangin spits and the occasional p47 or p38 i tend to log off. i can get gangbanged by spits in the MA.
please dont take my post the wrong way.
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DejaWho?, do you realize that (apparently from your own pedantic and achromatic stance in this thread) you are just as guilty as (apparently you are trying to make Leviathn look bad for changing the subject of the thread**off topic?) Leviathn for what you are trying to traduce him for by perpetuating his first post--and so on?
Play the game first, talk toejam about it second.
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Why do you care so much that it wasn't the original point of this thread?
BECAUSE BEFORE YOU REPLIED TO ME I WAS STATING AS MUCH!
I'm replying to seeing nothing but spits as being the result of going for historical matchups and you reply with an argument about the numbers being skewed.... as does westy.
Nobody wants historical. They quit when they see it. The sides become skewed... and its the fault of those flying spitfires.
Yep.. that's it.:rolleyes:
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
DejaWho?, do you realize that (apparently from your own pedantic and achromatic stance in this thread) you are just as guilty as (apparently you are trying to make Leviathn look bad for changing the subject of the thread**off topic?) Leviathn for what you are trying to traduce him for by perpetuating his first post--and so on?
Play the game first, talk toejam about it second.
LOL! OK nath. I know you posted because you care so much. It couldn't be because of that "find yourself a girfriend and stop masturbating" comment in another thread.:rolleyes:
AKDejaVu
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eh? wtf is your point exactly?
Why do you come to a gaming board and say toejam about people's lives? Are you really that desperate for material?
Oh yah, it's because typing stuff like that is purely assumptions--which can't be countered in any way shape or form; and I'm not about to post pics of my g/f so you can b33t your m33t to it. Which, I'm 100% sure, is why you keep repeating the same retort over and over.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
BECAUSE BEFORE YOU REPLIED TO ME I WAS STATING AS MUCH!
I'm replying to seeing nothing but spits as being the result of going for historical matchups and you reply with an argument about the numbers being skewed.... as does westy.
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Westy and I made statements about the numbers before you even posted to this thread. Pimpjoe likewise just posted that the overall numbers were a concern to him in addition to how they broke down by planes. So, as I expected, implicit in the original post is an argument about the numbers as well as an argument about the variety of plane types.
I've also consistently stated that I have no problems with the variety of planes I saw. I love fighting Spits, and it wouldn't have bothered me if every single plane I faced was a Spit.
Nobody wants historical. They quit when they see it. The sides become skewed... and its the fault of those flying spitfires.
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I don't believe that the numbers imbalance resulted from enabling the Spit V. It was present in the Sicily map prior to their being enabled at captured fields. Also, the previous map enabled Spit Vs, and the sides remained fairly balanced regardless. In fact, Spit Vs match up much better against the Japanese planeset than they do against the faster, better climbing and accelerating Luftwaffe stuff. The numbers in the CT during the Sicily map were very skewed toward the Allies for whatever reason... probably, as hblair stated, because groups of players were practicing for the scenario.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I almost never fly spits, or niks for that matter, just too damn easy to get kills with, whats the point? If I've flown either of them a total of 10 times since ah came out, that'd be alot. But the fact is the only decent allied a/c during that setup for angles fighting (read single plane dueling, which ofcourse was highly frowned up as a means of engagement during wwii) was the p38 and that suffers badly from an ability to hold onto it's e in anything but a nose down fight leaving the planeset pretty seriously biased towards the lw if your looking for a sustained dogfight like we often look for in the ct. If you try to angles fight a spit in your fw190 you deserve to be shot down. Quit complaining about what the other guy's flyin' and use your airplane for what it was designed for. When someone complains about too many spits or too many niks (assuming their modeled reasonably) all I hear is Whaaaaa......I dont know how to fly my airplane to shoot them down,....it's not fair! :mad: The lw had a very well rounded out planeset this round, any number of a/c would have done nicely as spit killer as long as you dont get stupid with it. Yes, spits enabled draws alot of ma riff raff into the arena to fly spits. If you want to offset the numbers advantage then hook up with other lw drivers and fly as a team thereby giving you numerical superiority in the piece of sky you choose to fly in. If you feed yourself into a mob of spits it's your own damn fault for bein' shot down. Quit blamin' the designers for you inability to figure out how to defeat your opponent. Problem is you want to fly like you fly in the ma and these matchups preclude that in many instances, it's not a matter of flyin' better, it's a matter of flyin' smarter.
Peace
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