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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: pimpjoe on October 31, 2001, 12:54:00 AM
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i've noticed a lot of the new AWers commin in and putting "UBB SUCKS PURPLE MONKEY BALLS" or "UBB SUCKS ARSE" and things like that. my question is...if it sucks that bad...why read and post?
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It's an admittedly crude suggestion for an Ace's High nntp server. Some prefer it to UBB (not as clumsy: easier attachments, speed, not having to dig through a 100 post thread to get to the latest post). Right now this is the only hangout. Options are being considered through an *unofficial* sponsor but I don't know if everyone here would be comfortable utilizing it or not. Nothing definate.
*ShruG*
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Hey, I like this board... I don't find it hard to use. Could you still 'wade' through all the posts if you wanted to, or would you only be able to read the latest one?
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Most newsreaders give you the option of keeping all messages viewable or only the unread ones.
I'm not even saying that UBB is "hard" to use. It just seems a little bit clumsier and can be easier to miss a message that may have been useful ... when you're used to the speed and convenience of a newsreader.
For instance, you could probably keep abreast of 3 or 4 topical newsgroups in half the time it would take to bop back and forth among all of the discussion boards offered here. You can mark threads and specific messages to be highlighted or ignored. You can mark individuals to be highlighted or ignored. Attachments are a simple matter of click and browse (if the file is on your machine) or cut and paste (if it isn't) and need not have a remote host (although if this is enabled it could cause problems if the NG members aren't careful).
It's just a preference some have over UBB. I don't mind utilizing both, it's just a bit more cumbersome.
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Urchin, you can do what you please with NNTP, it "works like Email".
We've all got a built in newsreader, with IE it's called Outlook express, Netscape's is built into the browser.
Configureing it can be as simple as clicking on a link.
It's true that some people may have NTTP (or is it NNTP?) access blocked from work, which is why I hope (and I'm sure of) HTC will always keep the UBB going, but it can be mirrored to both, and NNTP (or is that NTTP) really is sooo much better.
Some features:
Threads can be sorted
Read posts can be ignored (or not..)
Certain posters or threads can be blocked (from your end)
threads can be down loaded to be read offline (not so important in these cable days, but of significance to modem users)
Threads or posters can be highlighted for attention
Forwarding
Attachments
Speed
Flexibility.
spilchakers (Hitech, you reading this?)
And I'm sure there's more.
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WTG JOE :D i sall that a night or too ago and i was like OK WHY DO YOU WAST YOUR TIME PUTTING THAT MESSAGE ON THERE IF IT SuCK???? so i will seeya later joe!
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Originally posted by pimpjoe:
i've noticed a lot of the new AWers commin in and putting "UBB SUCKS PURPLE MONKEY BALLS" or "UBB SUCKS ARSE" and things like that. my question is...if it sucks that bad...why read and post?
"coming"
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I want to be able to spam this board from my work too so NNTP is out of question.
Wanna see new threads only? Try Daily Topics. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_daily)
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I happen to think that the BSing back and forth on the newsgroups (in this case, web based message boards) is as an important part of the game as anything that's actually *in* the game.
UBB is very clunky, slow, and it's easy to miss replies.
Not to mention very wasteful of bandwidth. Every time I want to check a response, I have to re-download every message posted to the thread, again, and again, and again, and again.
On the other hand, when I fire up my newsreader (I've got a gooooood one, too, Gnus running on XEmacs) it checks *all* my newsgroups, and tells me the ones that have unread messages. Then when I go to the newsgroup (simple tap on the spacebar), my newsreader downloads all the messages for me automatically (since I have it set that way) so I don't have to click and wait, click and wait wait, click and (ohhh a heated discussion here, think I'll go fix a snack--ok, I'm back) wait wait wait wait. Instead of the waiting, even while my newsreader is downloading, I have to do nothing but tap the spacebar to read through the whole newsgroup.
anRky
UBB SUCKS PURPLE MONKEY BALLS!
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If it were an NNTP board rather than a UBB board, you could killfile Arlo.
God knows the rest of us have. ;)
MD
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ok, i'll deviate from my normal happy-go-lucky character here.
I do not understand why the concept of 'HTC does things differently' is so hard to grasp.
New players to this game usually keep a very low profile for a while, but in the last week I've watched the AW crowd come in make noise about almost everything that we do different here in Aces High. What, is what we've had for 2 years not good enough for all you sim experts?
Time to get the picture most of us have been drawing in bright colors for ya - you're not in kansas anymore, and things here are done a little differently. Instead of griping about it and advocating for it to be done 'your way', why don't you just conform?
I usually don't like to post anything that will hurt or offend people, but some of the AW guys have offended me by their attitude towards a game I'm pretty happy with. 'Change this, change that' - well, what if I dont wan't it to change? I like the way scenarios are done, I like this message board, and I like this company.
I think it's time for some of you to get off of your high thrones you were given in that 'other sim' because it means jack s**t here. Your ability to be taken seriously and respected in this community is not connected in any way with your years of experience in another.
I'm not saying that you're bad people, but you have to come off a little less condescending to veterans of 'this' community. There were 3 lifeboats from which to choose from when AW went down. You chose AH but I bet a dollar no one in the other two would feel any differently. We are not the Carpathia, you are not 1st class passangers off the Titanic. You're new players and no longwinded post will change that fact.
A year down the road if you want to squeak at the CM team, perk points, 'how this community isn't for you', the ubb, lazs, htc, or this ubb, feel free and I bet people will take you about 100% more seriously then we do now.
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Just a quick note...
The ex-AW'er guys didn't just come here and decide to pick on the UBB forum because it was different, or something.
You should've seen the uproar when Gamestorm (the company we played AW through) decided to ditch the NNTP-compatible boards they were using for something else. Although it took them awhile, they finally decided that going back to supporting NNTP was a worthwhile thing to do. But bless their hearts, they never could get it right after they messed it up the first time.
anRky
UBB SUCKS PURPLE MONKEY BALLS!
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moose:
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I do not understand why the concept of 'HTC does things differently' is so hard to grasp.
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LOL, moose, I swear to COD I posted my last reply before I ever saw yours. :) I guess we were just psychically connected there for a minute. :)
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A year down the road if you want to squeak at the CM team, perk points, 'how this community isn't for you', the ubb, lazs, htc, or this ubb, feel free and I bet people will take you about 100% more seriously then we do now.
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I've been flying AH for over a year now, and I think people take me *less* seriously now than they did in the beginning. :P
anRky
<who doesn't *like* to be taken seriously often>
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Hey AN,
I actually do take you seriously because you've been around, and I bet others do too.
You should be elected spokesperson for all the transfers until they settle in. :)
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Bravo Moose. Direct and to the point with no personal insults. Well said young man :)
Let's hope some new folks read it and not take it as any kind of insult or slam.
Westy
(kinda surprised me. that coming from you and all :) )
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Originally posted by pimpjoe:
i've noticed a lot of the new AWers commin in and putting "UBB SUCKS PURPLE MONKEY BALLS" or "UBB SUCKS ARSE" and things like that. my question is...if it sucks that bad...why read and post?
Don't worry pimpjoe, they're just Rotor's teeny-bopper fan club hanging on to his shirt tails. I mean, let's face it, if they can't even come up with their own sig then who is gonna take 'em seriously.
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(http://home.iprimus.com.au/melandgreg/AH/sig-blue-3.jpg) (http://webpages.charter.net/davidlj/)
Click on image to go to the 412th home page...
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:rolleyes: See what I mean, Westy? Well DO ya? LOL
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*sniffs moose's bait*
*swims away happily*
Aub
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
Rotor's teeny-bopper fan club
Admit it, you want membership dont ya?
:p
<snipped lack of love for bandwidth>
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<screams hysterically> We looooooooooove you Rotor! <screams again and passes out>
[lol at love of bandwidth comment, sig pic is 18k :)]
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Blue Mako ]
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
<screams hysterically> We looooooooooove you Rotor! <screams again and passes out>
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Blue Mako ]
Thank you, thank you very much. Want a pink cadillac?<tm Elvis>
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Nice post Moose, well thought out and to the point and not insulting. It took me a little by surprise, but in a very positive way. You are very articulate.
I think over the next several months we are all going to look back on this point and time and laugh at all that transpired on this board. By that time we will all truly be a Band of Brothers.
Salute!
(http://home.att.net/~lmluper/markatsig.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
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Hey moose... good post, I think most of the regulars here feel the same way (see below too).
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No Arlo. I do not see what you mean. Do YOU see the support Moose's post recieved. Have YOU "gotten" it yet?
I replied in more detail in the topic titled "ubb r0xx0rz"
Just be regular Arlo OK? If you think you are, you're not. You did this on your entry to BigWeek too. After several weeks of "trying to make right" all was well there too. Just mellow out, join in and keep pushing for the SCW stuff.
Westy
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Originally posted by Immel:
"coming"
"You're" :)
Hiya Hans...take care of yourself and
Good Luck on your coming trip!
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Originally posted by Moon Dog:
If it were an NNTP board rather than a UBB board, you could killfile Arlo.
God knows the rest of us have. ;)
MD
And don't forget the freaking SLOW-TO-A-CRAWL-BECAUSE-SOMEONE-EMBEDDED-A-FREAKING-
HUGE-IMAGE aspect of UBB boards vs. the
"I-ONLY-GET-THE-HEADERS-AND-THREADS" of
the nntp reader. Assuming you can SQUELCH the
HTML freaks by chastising them into plain-text
submission :)
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I see the bandwagon ...... it's big ... it's loud .... it's a bandwagon.
Ok PodWesty .... you don't see what I mean. If you wanna try to convince me that I, personally, came in being an bellybutton and everyone I've poked fun at hasn't been, cite your examples and I'll see about making restitution on a case by case basis. If I see no reason to make restitution and you, in clear conscience, still do, what will you want then?
(NOW do you see what I mean?) ;) :(
Originally posted by Westy MOL:
No Arlo. I do not see what you mean. Do YOU see the support Moose's post recieved. Have YOU "gotten" it yet?
I replied in more detail in the topic titled "ubb r0xx0rz"
Just be regular Arlo OK? If you think you are, you're not. You did this on your entry to BigWeek too. After several weeks of "trying to make right" all was well there too. Just mellow out, join in and keep pushing for the SCW stuff.
Westy
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Arlo, this isn't about restitution or making amends. It's about just plain stopping the baloney. I can't say it any different or clearer other than it was't funny, it's still not funny and you're not a victim, so just stop trying to play one.
Instead of trying to have the last word in with Lazs, whom IMO you've provoked, just turn the "inane" spigot off and post about planes, WWII, the SCW or baseball....or whatever.
Westy
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Originally posted by moose:
ok, i'll deviate from my normal happy-go-lucky character here.
I do not understand why the concept of 'HTC does things differently' is so hard to grasp.
New players to this game usually keep a very low profile for a while, but in the last week I've watched the AW crowd come in make noise about almost everything that we do different here in Aces High. What, is what we've had for 2 years not good enough for all you sim experts?
Time to get the picture most of us have been drawing in bright colors for ya - you're not in kansas anymore, and things here are done a little differently. Instead of griping about it and advocating for it to be done 'your way', why don't you just conform?
I usually don't like to post anything that will hurt or offend people, but some of the AW guys have offended me by their attitude towards a game I'm pretty happy with. 'Change this, change that' - well, what if I dont wan't it to change? I like the way scenarios are done, I like this message board, and I like this company.
I think it's time for some of you to get off of your high thrones you were given in that 'other sim' because it means jack s**t here. Your ability to be taken seriously and respected in this community is not connected in any way with your years of experience in another.
I'm not saying that you're bad people, but you have to come off a little less condescending to veterans of 'this' community. There were 3 lifeboats from which to choose from when AW went down. You chose AH but I bet a dollar no one in the other two would feel any differently. We are not the Carpathia, you are not 1st class passangers off the Titanic. You're new players and no longwinded post will change that fact.
A year down the road if you want to squeak at the CM team, perk points, 'how this community isn't for you', the ubb, lazs, htc, or this ubb, feel free and I bet people will take you about 100% more seriously then we do now.
Byte me hard moose...get a humour implant while you're at it also. Lots of folks have played both these games for years. I don't give a rats bellybutton who has played "for how long" so just button it.
p.s UBB sucks, get over it.
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Arlo, this isn't about restitution or making amends. It's about just plain stopping the baloney. I can't say it any different or clearer other than it was't funny, it's still not funny and you're not a victim, so just stop trying to play one.
Instead of trying to have the last word in with Lazs, whom IMO you've provoked, just turn the "inane" spigot off and post about planes, WWII, the SCW or baseball....or whatever.
Westy
Hey Westy...I guess I missed why you stormed out of Big Week again, it must have been a real pisser because you went off so fast it seems like you forgot your sense of humour.
If I find it want me to dust it off and return it? <insert whichever instant gremlin you wish here>
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Oh geez! I took the kids trick or treating last night, went to the grocery store this afternoon and later paid some bills. I once heard a story from an old man about his cowboy days. I went to bootcamp in San Diego. I used to own a pretty nice Mustang with a 302. One of my grandmothers was named Francis.
This response makes as much sense as yours did if you take into consideration that all of those events probably provoked Lazs.
*ShruG*
I'll talk to you when you disconnect from the collective, Westyborg. :D
Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Arlo, this isn't about restitution or making amends. It's about just plain stopping the baloney. I can't say it any different or clearer other than it was't funny, it's still not funny and you're not a victim, so just stop trying to play one.
Instead of trying to have the last word in with Lazs, whom IMO you've provoked, just turn the "inane" spigot off and post about planes, WWII, the SCW or baseball....or whatever.
Westy
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Originally posted by Otter:
Byte me hard moose...get a humour implant while you're at it also. Lots of folks have played both these games for years. I don't give a rats bellybutton who has played "for how long" so just button it.
p.s UBB sucks, get over it.
Cripes.
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Let's get several things straight.
A)UBB *does* suck purple monkey balls (or arse) All HTML boards do.
B) Most web boards do, as compared to NNTP. (works like e-mail)
C) Most game companies use HTML boards to reach the lowest common denominator.
D) AW did the *same thing* so it's not about trying to make this - like that.
Will it change - unlikely. The *best* of the web-boards are HTML *and* allow NNTP access thusly giving the user a CHOICE. Alas, those are few and far between.
Is anybody slamming HTC here - no.
Is anybody slamming AH here - no.
But the observation that web-boards suck in general is valid.
What we did in AW was "tolerated" the HTML boards and used our OWN NNTP boards for events that we put together. I assume that won't ever change.
Rotor's just having some fun with the dreaded UBB boards... dont take the bait.
-W
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Heh, I like this UBB. I liked it more in the old format, because back then it was faster.
Having said that, NNTP *is* more user friendly. It is faster, more configurable and so forth. I'm an avid newsgroupie (alt.binaries.pictures.erotica .freuleins.in.gstrings.bestia lity being my favourite) so wouldn't mind NNTP. AH and pr0n on same application. Nice.
:D :D
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Over in AW we prefer to get our prOn at alt.sex.fetish.sheep
Mbaaaaaa!
-W
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Now the AH community is Borg and I've been assimilated? Whatever Arlo.
Otter, wiggle the bait and make it look alive next time. BTW are you an AH player now or just part of the new troll faction? IF you want to know why I left BW permanently look it up on Google via "bigweek.general." Matter of fact if *anyone* here wants to see how much of a hoot some BWers think trolls are going here just do a search on that group but add in "AH" and "troll" to the search.
Westy
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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Ratbo:
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Let's get several things straight.
...<snipped>
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Wish I could've said it that well!
DITTO! (there, I just did!) <G>
anRky
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: AN ]
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
Let's get several things straight.
A)UBB *does* suck purple monkey balls (or arse) All HTML boards do.
B) Most web boards do, as compared to NNTP. (works like e-mail)
C) Most game companies use HTML boards to reach the lowest common denominator.
D) AW did the *same thing* so it's not about trying to make this - like that.
Will it change - unlikely. The *best* of the web-boards are HTML *and* allow NNTP access thusly giving the user a CHOICE. Alas, those are few and far between.
Is anybody slamming HTC here - no.
Is anybody slamming AH here - no.
But the observation that web-boards suck in general is valid.
What we did in AW was "tolerated" the HTML boards and used our OWN NNTP boards for events that we put together. I assume that won't ever change.
Rotor's just having some fun with the dreaded UBB boards... dont take the bait.
-W
that's your opinion and I respect it. However, why is it so hard for you Airwarriors to respect us and our game? I'd like an impromptu vote to see how many prefer it the way it is right now. I like ubb and I dont think it sucks 'purple monkey balls.'
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Two (actually three) completely different subjects that don't have as much relation to each other as you'd like to believe.
*ShruG*
< S >
Originally posted by moose:
...why is it so hard for you Airwarriors to respect us and our game? I like ubb and I dont think it sucks 'purple monkey balls.'
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Now the AH community is Borg and I've been assimilated? Whatever Arlo.
Otter, wiggle the bait and make it look alive next time. BTW are you an AH player now or just part of the new troll faction? IF you want to know why I left BW permanently look it up on Google via "bigweek.general." Matter of fact if *anyone* here wants to see how much of a hoot some BWers think trolls are going here just do a search on that group but add in "AH" and "troll" to the search.
Westy
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
"troll faction"? Are you now paranoid as well? If you recall from Diche's ng, I had to drop the $30.00 a month plan. Now that AW is almost no more and wwiionline can't program their way out of a paper bag and HT lowered the price I am on the way in. As soon as we get my DNS won't resolve fixed.
By the way, you know me, you know I only proposed one troll action ala "Rancid" and that was going to be for an April Fools joke.
When I first came to AH there were a few people who seemed to think it was them vs. the world, as I recall you weren't one of them then.
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"Are you now paranoid as well? "
Not in the least. and my sense of humour is not only intact but growing. Not from this stuff mind you. When you think some folks "entrances" and the continued reply of "odd" posts with others in the AH community (ex: Arlo) are normal and funny I have to assume you're part of the well over done but still perpetuating "let's tweak the AHers noses" trolling.
Westy
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
"Are you now paranoid as well? "
Not in the least. and my sense of humour is not only intact but growing. Not from this stuff mind you. When you think some folks "entrances" and the continued reply of "odd" posts with others in the AH community (ex: Arlo) are normal and funny I have to assume you're part of the well over done but still perpetuating "let's tweak the AHers noses" trolling.
Westy
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
I wasn't aware of a "let's tweak the AH'ers" conspiracy. I will be more than happy to start a "let's tweak the pompous bellybutton who "ass u me's" one though.
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Channel 2, Otter. We've seen stuff like this before. Westy's an old friend and he'll either get over it or not. Either way, there's no sense in beating ourselves or him up over it. :)
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Really Otter? Off to Google. Be back in a bit
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Really Otter? Off to Google. Be back in a bit
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
Can't wait to see the message thread signed by and/or including
anRky
arlo
ack-ack
-ATC-
blesk
brat<ok this might be a gimme>
B1
Buff1
culero
DD
+Dead
Dawn
fry
frenchy
Flos (flossy)
=GB=
GE
HT
Immel
joey
kitty
kbear<we all know he's their>
L1
Lemur
+Lone
Mage
moggy
Moon Dog
otter
oopsy<ok another gimme>
Quarters
Rotor<hmmmm>
Sog
Tex
+Tiff
TK
Tinker
unabomber<well he could have been in BW if he had a computer>
vik1
wind
Xanax
yippee38
and a whole lot of other people all brought together by a flight sim. Most are playing or have played AH. The competition was there at one time, and yes some of them (like you) don't mind tweaking some egos. But their is no Bigweek wide conspiracy bro' and you know it.
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Not sure what you're talking about Otter. You're making this an AW vs AH thing. I'm maintaining my stance that a few made jack tulips of themselves here on purpose and got called out on it. They even continue. Here's two easy finds showing how some think it's a hoot to have started this.
ONE (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=GADD7.55926%24Te5.142066%40nnrp3.clara.net&rnum=39&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dbigweek.general%2Barlo%26start%3D30%26hl%3Den%26as_drrb%3Db %26as_mind%3D19%26as_minm%3D10%26as_miny%3D2001%26as_maxd%3D2%26as_maxm%3D11%26as_maxy%3D2001%26rnum%3D39%26selm%3DGADD7.55926%2524Te5.142066%2540nnrp3.clara.net)
TWO (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=y9LD7.55999%24Te5.144553%40nnrp3.clara.net&rnum=50&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dbigweek.general%2Barlo%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26as_drrb%3Db %26as_mind%3D19%26as_minm%3D10%26as_miny%3D2001%26as_maxd%3D2%26as_maxm%3D11%26as_maxy%3D2001%26rnum%3D50%26selm%3Dy9LD7.55999%2524Te5.144553%2540nnrp3.clara.net)
Westy
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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OK, I know that UBB has this quote function, but it's still a pain in the bellybutton to have to wade through an entire post to see a reply. Meanwhile, other posts have been made and it becomes extremely difficult to determine who is talking to whom.
No, UBB doesn't completely suck. It has its good points and bad points. As far as accessibility goes, UBB probably wins out. But as far as functions and capabilities, NNTP wins.
~Matt
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
I'm maintaining my stance that a few made jack tulips of themselves here on purpose and got called out on it.
Westy
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
Thank you. I guess you grew up and left us all behind? My opinions are mine and mine only. All those posts you mention in your google search are after "the fact" No one knew what i was going to do. I may have given a hint about posting in reference to events, but that is about it. I acted on my own. If that makes me a love muffin in your eyes Westy, so be it. I will never forget those times we made love muffines of ourselves together. Good memories all. Never in my first two posts did I mention AW. I am not going to change because of what you think of me. I will continue to joke and laugh at myself and those who take it too seriously. I have yet to question anyone's abilities in this game. I did and will still do some razing, BFD. It aint no different than it has been when you hung out, and it will be no different in the future. Wether you like it or not, I am a paying customer and have as much right to squeak, whine and poke as anyone here. I have taken a lot of shots, but expected them. I am not a victim nor do I want simpathy from you or anyone else. I will continue to point out how some stances are flawed as I am sure it will be pointed out to me when I am flawed. I should have taken a hint when you snubbed me when I asked you about your kid.
There is no conspiracy, yes a lot of AH'ers are laughing in other places. Those AH'ers include me.
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[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Seeker ]
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Low, Westy, real low.
Earl needs dragging into this? I do?
The lot of you should buck the hell up.
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If you can't tell, Seeker's a tad bit upset. I don't suppose I can blame him. Westy, check your messages, dude. Barring that - my email's the same as it's always been.
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Wow, they are just as entertaining on that newsgroup thingy.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel:
Wow, they are just as entertaining on that newsgroup thingy.
Thank you, we aim to please :).
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Moose,
UBB has nothing to do with respect for you or AH. And remmeber it's not an US vs THEM thing. AH is populated to a large degree by ex-AW's, this latest influx is just that. Some think UBB boards blow. They get to say that. It's not about *you*.
So Rotor is trying to start a little "movement" with the 'purple monkey balls' stuff. Think it'll change anything?
Do you think *he* really *cares* that much?
Take the hook out before you swallow it.
-W
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Rotor, Arlo, Otter and Seeker...
I said "Hi" to Rotor several days ago in his inaugeral post. I said nothing about his goofiness other than making a big entrance. But as the number of posters grew rapidly over the weekend so did the inane postings. I simply express on Mon and Tues how I thought the posts were assinine and jeuvinile. Mostly via posts backing up Pongo, Moose and several others whoi were saying the same. And several concured with my posts also - even other ex-AWiers.
Suddenly *I* was being called a turn coat, a part of some "borg", forgetting who friends were and all for adding that my opinion that expressed distaste for how several AWiers decided to introduce themselves to the community here.
IMO you people turned this discussion into what it has become and by contiuneing to press some imagined slap on the face for ALL AW. I felt I had no choice but show the bullsh7t for what much of it was. A few posts from BW. And it's not as if I did not give any warning about retreiving some posts via Google. I will not post or browse BW via Google nor resubscibe via nntp. I'm as done with BW as it was with me. I only know what was going on behind the smoked windows of BW because I got an email that this was all some "fun sporting" by boys on BW and not to fret. After remembering what some FA jerks did on BW about three years ago I was amazed that some of you BW people would do the same.
End of lecture.
Westy
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Which part of "the lot of you" did you miss Westy?
Kindly show me where I've taken part in the above ridiculous mess? I've my own foul ups to cover, I sure as hell don't need your's or Arlo's.
You and GE should get a room, your temperaments are so close. Bitter, bitter, bitter.
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Rotor, Arlo, Otter and Seeker...
I said "Hi" to Rotor several days ago in his inaugeral post. I said nothing about his goofiness other than making a big entrance. But as the number of posters grew rapidly over the weekend so did the inane postings. I simply express on Mon and Tues how I thought the posts were assinine and jeuvinile. Mostly via posts backing up Pongo, Moose and several others whoi were saying the same. And several concured with my posts also - even other ex-AWiers.
So, those who arent exAWers that laughed and posted as such do not count? Only those who in your eyes saw it your and those other ways? Get a grip and get off the high horse.
Originally posted by Westy MOL:
I only know what was going on behind the smoked windows of BW because I got an email that this was all some "fun sporting" by boys on BW and not to fret.
Get THIS ok, I DID IT ALL MYSELF, I INITIATED THOSE TWO POSTS ON MY OWN. I AM THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME.
Originally posted by Westy MOL:
After remembering what some FA jerks did on BW about three years ago I was amazed that some of you BW people would do the same.
End of lecture.
Westy
The FA jerks who you talk about came in on at someone's invitation to create trouble w/o paying or playing for a game. I have done nothing here any different than when you participated in teh same type of razing.
As far as you saying "bigweek parted with you" that is all in your imagination. If you were to back and you were to be jumped on by Clro and or anyone else I would still defend you bellybutton like I have done a thousand times over.
There is no conspiracy. Get over it.
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Well, talk about someone turning something silly into something just plain sad.
The comparisons you make aren't even remotely related. You, however, are behaving the same way KBear and Avenger did (and in return you jumped all over them for, along with many others). My response to you is much more restrained.
You seem to love Googlesearching and helping others Googlesearch. Googlesearch and add KBear or Avenger instead of AH, Troll, conspiracy or mean people and see if you recognize yourself.
Until you come to your senses, do us both a favor and take your own advice and turn off the inane spigot. You know my aversion to using "ignore" tools but don't make me have to.
Later, lecturer.
Originally posted by Westy MOL:
After remembering what some FA jerks did on BW about three years ago I was amazed that some of you BW people would do the same.
End of lecture.
Westy
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Rotor, Arlo, Otter and Seeker...
Westy
Westy,
do me a favor as a friend. Don't lump my posts in here with anyone elses.
In a nutshell I despise the attitude expressed that I or anyone else cannot post an opinion here about the gameplay, the game or the diddlying UBB boards, paying customer or not, or for that matter as a noob or old timer.
Mooses post and anyone elses like it is simply ludicrous. I don't need to learn the secret double handshake or have a phenomenal k/d ratio or even have some virtual piots " respect" in order to participate in this community.
Fact is we're all kissin' cousins in here anyway and any goob who knows the history of AW, WB and AH knows that.
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Otter? You forgetting anyone?
-W
<walks away crushed>
Otter listed:
Can't wait to see the message thread signed by and/or including
anRky
arlo
ack-ack
-ATC-
blesk
brat<ok this might be a gimme>
B1
Buff1
culero
DD
+Dead
Dawn
fry
frenchy
Flos (flossy)
=GB=
GE
HT
Immel
joey
kitty
kbear<we all know he's their>
L1
Lemur
+Lone
Mage
moggy
Moon Dog
otter
oopsy<ok another gimme>
Quarters
Rotor<hmmmm>
Sog
Tex
+Tiff
TK
Tinker
unabomber<well he could have been in BW if he had a computer>
vik1
wind
Xanax
yippee38
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Earl's not on there!
Originally posted by Ratbo:
Otter? You forgetting anyone?
-W
<walks away crushed>
Otter listed:
Can't wait to see the message thread signed by and/or including
anRky
arlo
ack-ack
-ATC-
blesk
brat<ok this might be a gimme>
B1
Buff1
culero
DD
+Dead
Dawn
fry
frenchy
Flos (flossy)
=GB=
GE
HT
Immel
joey
kitty
kbear<we all know he's their>
L1
Lemur
+Lone
Mage
moggy
Moon Dog
otter
oopsy<ok another gimme>
Quarters
Rotor<hmmmm>
Sog
Tex
+Tiff
TK
Tinker
unabomber<well he could have been in BW if he had a computer>
vik1
wind
Xanax
yippee38
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Originally posted by Arlo:
Earl's not on there!
Hey Arlo you freaking neanthertal<sp>, could you please snip some of the post? Thank you.
=GB=
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
Otter? You forgetting anyone?
-W
You and Arlo need to sit in the same corner :P.
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Seeker and Otter I added your names to my post as regards to your comment about low blow and Otters suppositions that I've lost my humour, become paranoid and that I'm seeing conspiracys. BTW, Otter. How is it you found out about this specific topic anyway?
Arlo, comparing my posts with Avenger and KBear is way out of line and uncalled for. It's definately made me do a 180 in my opinion of you in that I'm positive you're a wee bit "odd." As for Google? It's the way to link a public post without asking people to load up BW via newsgroup, wade thru all the sh&t and see for themselves what the same folks who had been "trolling" in here had to say elsewhere. Nothing more and nothing less.
Rotor, this is out of hand now not because of you. It's out of hand because of Arlo. I'm not on any high horse, cashing in on any grudges nor anything else. If you're so inclinee go back and look at the original posts. My post that Arlo refers to as inane and KBear/Avenger like was written after I did just that. The skewed perspective is not mine that's for sure. My error (and Lazs imo) was in continuing to discuss this bull with Arlo (and now you, and now Otter)instead of ignoring him. I persisted in trying to drive home the point I was making. Where as some (Vermillion for example) said his peace and was done.
Westy
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Rotor, this is out of hand now not because of you. It's out of hand because of Arlo.
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
I dont know, but I dont see anything out of hand. So Arlo and Lasz are going at it, BFD. Geezus H. Khreist on a krutch. You were the one who mentioned "conspiracy". Verm took personal offense to what I had posted, so I apologized to him. Nothing more nothing less. Like I said, a LOT of AHers hang out at BW now. Go figger ah? Some of the AHers that hang out over there have been involved with HTC longer than you. Sorry pal you went off on the wrong tangent, and what you did WAS not like the Westy I knew. I am done.
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"Sorry pal you went off on the wrong tangent"
No Rotor. Wrong. Read my first post in this topic. Then my second which was a reply to Arlo. Then go read my further explanation in the 'UBB Suxxors' topic and if you have to reread the whole discourse in this topic. IMO you and Arlo are way off base.
Westy
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Way off base about what? NNTP vs UBB? What Rotor's sig meant? How some took offense over the sig when they didn't know what it meant?
You, otoh, start off with:
"Someone make the bridge. I would but it's not my place as a non participant in BW anymore to offer up the nnttp addy."
Then end up going into a frantic Googlesearch for posts you can take out of context and post here to prove that Rotor and Arlo planned to come over here and toejam in your running buddies Wheaties just to piss off the community as a whole. And to top it off, you make damned sure to show where the "backdoor" to BigWeek is.
Do you really believe this is some sort of attempt to "bridge the gap"?
*ShruG* I bet you do.
You're right about one thing, though. It's way past the point where we needed to ignore each other. Better late than never, though.
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Moose! very good post earlier. a lot of us came here from AW almost two years ago. We enjoyed the game and stayed because in our opininon neither AW or WB came close in any aspect from modeling, graphics, and playability.
To you new arrivals from AW <S>! Glad to have you, being an old AW'er from wayyyyyyy back. But remember this. This ain't Kansas Dorothy! Ya can't click your heels and say "there's no place like home, there's no place like home" and be back in Kansas.
steeper learning curve.....and after flying all 3 sims at one time or another, by in large the most talented community of virtual fliers I've experienced. also the most knowledgeable about every aspect of the game and real life aircraft of the WW2 era.
Also........many many great people here to help you fly........and get shot down :D
It's a growing Community of generally helpful and fun people to compete with.
Again welcome and <S>! But remember.....this ain't Kansas :p
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
[QB]Seeker and Otter I added your names to my post as regards to your comment about low blow and Otters suppositions that I've lost my humour, become paranoid and that I'm seeing conspiracys. BTW, Otter. How is it you found out about this specific topic anyway?
<hands Westy a clue stick> I am here because I am an inveterate reader of BB's and the topic struck my fancy so I read it and the replies and added my 2 cents worth.
If you notice the only participation I have had in the original Rotor thread was to point out how humourless some of you have become and then left it at that.
You're still implying (and hung up) on the actions some AW'ers who happened to be BW'ers took by posting a pretty damn funny tongue in cheek message into a troll party conspiracy aided and abetted by a cast of thousands and it ain't so.
As a matter of fact I haven't even visited that thread since I posted and didn't read any of Rotor's other posts so frankly I don't care what transpired between any of you guys.
The fact remains if Rotor don't like UBB and Pimpjoe does then fine, go ahead and say it, just don't turn it into this stupid us vs them toejam.
And if any of you morons make another "this aint Kansas anymore Dorothy" comment I will sing show tunes.
And don't think I won't.
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What I was trying to say was that the issue about the ubb is but a microcosm of how some folks have entered this community.
What I can't understand is that people can dish out nasty insults and complaints but balk at the sight of an insightful, thought out post. I'm not blowin my own horn here either - time and time again the people who actually analyze a situation and try to explain as best as one could get ignored and flamed.
At this point, it's time to quote Hangtime:
"Engage the enemy, not the keyboard"
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Moose,
As insightful as your post was ... and yes there was some insight there ... it was actually off topic (or sure seemed that way to me).
"i've noticed a lot of the new AWers commin in and putting "UBB SUCKS PURPLE MONKEY BALLS" or "UBB SUCKS ARSE" and things like that. my question is...if it sucks that bad...why read and post?"
Then again, the author (Pimpjoe) does seem confused as to the intent of Rotor's sig.
I put my best foot forth to explain that Rotor was merely commenting that NNTP was, in his opinion (and shared by many), a better way to do things. Then Urchin stepped in and asked a legitimate question and Seeker and I expounded on the technical merits of NNTP.
Even after Gunhog stumbled in without bothering to go past the initial post and decided to hoorah Pimpjoe, things kind of stabilized and got back to a rather pleasant discussion over the technical subject.
Then your post of insight.
Followed by polite applause by Westy and then taken as an opprotunity for a jab from Mako which made little sense.
Ok, fine.
I'd been trying to show Westy that he was being pretty one-sided in his point of view and took an opprotunity myself to merely point at the direction the thread was taking and who was taking it there but he was too blinded by his desire to chastise and lecture me.
I took it badly and things went pretty much south from there.
Westy's determination to use Goggle to find BigWeek posts to prove his assumptions of some sort of complicity between Rotor, myself and others based on a mysterious email he claimed to have recieved(especially after having said earlier that it would be rude of him to post the nntp addy since he no longer was a participant of that ng - his own decision) was at BEST, very poor form and certainly didn't help things.
That seems to be the entire thread in a nutshell (plus some inferences to other threads within).
So don't take offense at my not wanting to congratulate you for a job well done. Everything has it's place ... and time even. And although it probably would have happened anyway, given the influences that Westy now falls under (and I for that matter), this thread looks as if it's been a significant factor on putting the deathnail in an online friendship that I had cherished for years. I'm still torn over whether it's for the best or not (I've never seen this side of Westy). If I come to the conclusion that it was for the best, THEN I'll thank you.
[ 11-03-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Pretty pathetic there Westy. Really.
Immel
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"he was too blinded by his desire to chastise and lecture me."
I got as far as here Arlo. That wasn't it at all. I think you're plain unable to comprehend the simple message I was trying to get across. At this point I don't care if you "hear" what I was saying ot not.
Immel I don't understand your reasoning behind your comment at all.
Westy
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Immel I don't understand your reasoning behind your comment at all.
Yes. That's probably the saddest part.
:(
Immel
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heh, time to ask the 1,000,000 dollar question.
What the hell is BigWeek?
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It's a newsgroup. Good people for the most part (if you don't count me and maybe a couple or three others). Hosted by a member of an AW squad (or former AW squad) - the Kraits (out of the UK). Top notch people - did alot of work on their own that made AW a much better experience than it would have been.
The current incarnation of this NG is actually the third server (maybe fourth) that an individual has volunteered to keep up for a group that has spanned them all. It actually started out as a web-based board for the AWIII beta group (that's irony, no?) :) The name was derived from a scenario run in the beta arena. I'm sure you're familiar with its background since it's an upcoming event in AH (again, ironic).
There are others who post on this board that are even more familiar with the history and background of the BW NG. Perhaps they will chime in. I've been chiming way too much and my bell is rung. (Can't unring a bell?) :D
< S >
[ 11-03-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Well, the solution I see is that you set up a NG server for AH.
I'll stay here on the ubb because I prefer it, but you might get some traffic.
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I kinda doubt it but that option is being considered by one of the former hosts of BW,which I mentioned to PJ right off the bat in the thread ... and probably should have stopped there. :)
BTW ... sorry bout the earlier post. You're in no way to blame for mine and Westy's falling out. So ... actually ... I'd be an bellybutton to say "thanks" is in order. I'd much rather just forget the whole damned sorry episode (which i played a MAJOR part in). :(
[ 11-03-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Originally posted by moose:
Well, the solution I see is that you set up a NG server for AH.
I'll stay here on the ubb because I prefer it, but you might get some traffic.
Some UBB boards can be configured for both. It's hard to expain except that NNTP "works like email" tm Mosca) and is very convinient for sorting threads, topics and archiving.
This version of UBB is by far one of the better ones but having that extra functionality would be nice.
Sorry for the byte me comment. Out.