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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: funkedup on March 08, 2002, 06:39:38 PM
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I was looking through the Pilot's Notes for this type and there is no mention of a bombs greater than 500 lb. Buzzbait and Nexx haven't found any indication of 1000 lb bombs either. Does anybody have any information on this?
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Hmm did someone get leather boxer's fer xmas? +)
SKurj
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oh now i get it skurj. if anyone questions anything about ANY allied plane they are a 'luftwhiner'? sheesh you need a new joke book.
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I checked:
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- Fighting Aircraft of WWII, by Bill Gunston
- Aircraft of WWII, by Stewart Wilson
- British Warplanes of WWII, by Daniel March
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No mention of 1,000 lb bombs for any model Hurricane in any of them. 500 lbs was the maximum I saw listed.
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Well, it's an Allied aircraft, so natrually it's just part of the consipiracy!
was that a better joke Hazed? :p
SOB
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I've never heard of a Hurri IIc carrying 1000 lbrs either. I have heard of them carrying 8 rockets, though, so the anti-LW conspiracy slipped up.
ra
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If the shoe fits Hazed...
SKurj
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Originally posted by ra
I've never heard of a Hurri IIc carrying 1000 lbrs either. I have heard of them carrying 8 rockets, though, so the anti-LW conspiracy slipped up.
ra
Yes, the Hurricane IIC did the testing of the Rocket Projectiles though they weren't standard on the IIC. However the Hurricane IV could carry 8 x 60lb RPs or 2 x 500lb (or 250lb) bombs.
Regards
Nexx
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So? the P38could carry 2X2000
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No P38's that could cary 2x2000 saw combat.
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P-38s from the G-10-LO onwards could mount 2x 1,600 lb bombs and the P-38L-5-LO could mount 2x 2,000 lb. Additionally various G/H/J models were modified to the droop-snoot configuration and could also carry the 2,000 lbers. I haven't found any exact dates but I'm pretty sure these did see combat. Maybe Widewing or someone else has more/better info?
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Originally posted by brady
No P38's that could cary 2x2000 saw combat.
That is incorrect, Brady. All P-38s beginning with the F model could carry up to 2,250 lbs per hardpoint. A typical example would be the installation of two 310 gallon drop tanks. Simply multiply the number of gallons X 6.08 lbs + the tank's weight of 221 lbs. This totals 2,105.8 pounds per hardpoint.
My regards,
Widewing
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"I received the following picture from Jack T. Curtis, who flew the P-38 with the 367th fighter group (9th Air Force). He pointed out that two 910 kg (2000 lb) bombs were sometimes loaded on the P-38... Thanks for the picture, Jack ! "
(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christophe.arribat/bogbomb.jpg)
"Colonel (now General, Ret.) Charles M. Young and his P-38, loaded with 2000 lb bombs"
from http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christophe.arribat/galp38.html
maybe widewing can tell us if its a true pic :)
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I looked into this a while ago and looked high and low for a defenate source that could confirm this, since I wanted to have the 2x 2k load option for the P38, howeaver about 3 books that I found stated that while thier were models that were produced that could do this non of them saw combat, it would appear that my sources may of been in erour. Tomarow I may have time to dig them out a post a list of them. If they indead were used in combat , how often, how many and whear would be my next ?, any input?
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HUrri can carry 2x1000lb bombs and 190F8 can't in AH :eek: ow crap! now that really hurts. :mad:
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Weren't no 190 ever built could carry 2 x 1000 lb bombs.
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Originally posted by Glasses
HUrri can carry 2x1000lb bombs and 190F8 can't in AH :eek: ow crap! now that really hurts. :mad:
lol...I'll keep my mouth shut and my fingers stuck ;)...but yeah, Glasses...lol :D
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Glasses, in the RL, the Fw 190 F8 can carry 1000kg(2,205lb) bomb + 2x50kg(110lb) fragmentation bombs. F8 could carry 14x21cm(8.27in), six 28-cm(11.02in) rocket-launchers or 24 R4M unguided rockets :eek:.
Le pregunté a Hitech sobre la posibilidad de que convertieran el F8 en un jabo real y me dijo que eso era asunto de Pyro, o sea me dio largas. Y el que quiera traducir esto que lo haga, es domingo por la mañana y tengo una resaca tremenda y no me sale de la polla intentar escribir en ingles.
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Originally posted by brady
I looked into this a while ago and looked high and low for a defenate source that could confirm this, since I wanted to have the 2x 2k load option for the P38, howeaver about 3 books that I found stated that while thier were models that were produced that could do this non of them saw combat, it would appear that my sources may of been in erour. Tomarow I may have time to dig them out a post a list of them. If they indead were used in combat , how often, how many and whear would be my next ?, any input?
There is definitive data available. Eglin Field tested the Lockheed 2k installation in 1943. Testing proved highly successful and the test data was forwarded to 8th Air Force Fighter Command. Shortly thereafter, the 8th began using droop snoot P-38s as lead aircraft for Group-sized level bombing missions against hardened targets, such as submarine pens. Mostly, these raids were conducted by P-38J aircraft. This type of mission was considered to be of the "short-range" variety. This is because fuel load was limited to avoid exceeding max gross weight limitations. To extend the radius of combat, a different combination was tested. This employed a single 310 gallon drop tank and one 2,000 pound bomb. While this load-out was used several times in the SWPA, it was never used in the ETO or MTO. Generally, for long-range bombing missions (led by droop snoot P-38s), the typical load would be two 1,000 pounders. All P-38s would drop on command from the Norden equipped droop snoot.
Droop snoot P-38s occasionally carried two 2,000 pounders when operating as pathfinders for B-26 Groups during the days just preceeding the June invasion of France.
Be advised, however, that the installation of 2,000 pound bombs required a special kit, which was fabricated by the 8th AF from drawings supplied by Lockheed and the Engineering Department at Eglin. Included in the kit were anti-sway braces, which were required to stablize the bombs on the shackles.
So, while the use of 2,000 pound bombs was uncommon, they were carried into combat by run-of-the-mill P-38s for special missions and/or pathfinder sorties.
Tac: Note the stablizer braces fitted to the bombs. Yes, these are 2,000 lb. bombs.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by DarkglamJG52
Le pregunté a Hitech sobre la posibilidad de que convertieran el F8 en un jabo real y me dijo que eso era asunto de Pyro, o sea me dio largas. Y el que quiera traducir esto que lo haga, es domingo por la mañana y tengo una resaca tremenda y no me sale de la polla intentar escribir en ingles.
para el caso que te van a hacer, mejor que no te lo traduzcan, Dark. Vas a sacar lo mismo para el avion (nada en absoluto) pero a ti te arrancarian la cabeza; de modo que ,si, casi mejor q no te lo traduzcan :D.
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Eso era lo que me inmaginaba que cargaba a ver si tambien algun dia arreglan lo de los flaps tambien que a la velocidad que caen los flaps en todos los aviones alemanes es generica.
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Very interesting, info widewing, I wish we had that option in AH.
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If the Hurri couldn't carry the 2 1,000lb eggs, the option should be removed. 'Nough said.
There is no need for any of the conspiracy, or "it ain't fair" BS. Just address the point at hand without all the hand wringing and whining. That crap hurts your position more than anything else.
I would prefer that the British aircraft were modeled with the fidelity that the German aircraft are in that if it isn't certain, it doesn't get the option. The Spitfire Mk IX, and now the Hurris, are cobbled together and have options they shouldn't have.
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Nope, it's not a valid loadout and won't be available in 1.09.
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Thx everybody. This issue came up in the planning for Invasion Sicily and it seems everybody's research agrees that I.S. shouldn't have Hurris with 1000 pounders.
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Originally posted by SKurj
If the shoe fits Hazed...
SKurj
skurj i havent even asked about, looked at, nor do i care about, the hurricanes bombload.I rarely fly them apart from for odd try out flights.you imply funkedUp is a luftwhiner when im not even sure he was in anyway solely a flyer of LW planes? did you check?.I always saw funked as a p47 fan but i could be wrong.So with this in mind your quote makes about as much sense as quoting names out of a phone book.What on earth are you talking about? the shoe fits who? and what has this got to do with LW?
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Originally posted by Pyro
Nope, it's not a valid loadout and won't be available in 1.09.
oh and i missed that reading skurj's nonsense. See what I mean skurj?
you talked trash for no other reason than to annoy, and you succeed only in making the BB a less enjoyable place to browse.Turns out funkedUp was right to question it. Whats more he had a good reason to ask(sicily scenario).
and you was ?.......er wrong to imply he was whining?
who knows perhaps you'll admit it?
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I'm not even going to try to explain this again lol
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by hazed-
skurj i havent even asked about, looked at, nor do i care about, the hurricanes bombload.I rarely fly them apart from for odd try out flights.you imply funkedUp is a luftwhiner when im not even sure he was in anyway solely a flyer of LW planes? did you check?.I always saw funked as a p47 fan but i could be wrong.So with this in mind your quote makes about as much sense as quoting names out of a phone book.What on earth are you talking about? the shoe fits who? and what has this got to do with LW?
Then why the F did u bother posting in the first place Hazed??
My initial post was one attempting humour it did in no way offend the originator of the thread.
If you didn't find it funny, tough luck man. get over it
Leave your problems in the CT in there and lighten up dude..
SKurj
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Well not sure if Hazed is the to lighten up :rolleyes: .
THX for the info pyro