Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: HeLLcAt on March 10, 2002, 02:24:38 PM
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Everyone!
I think the F8F Bearcat is needed, it might as well be perked right about 8-10 points, because of its climb and speed. The B-29 Superfortress should also be perked and added to AH and also the P-40N Warhawk, which should not be perked. If anybody agrees with me please right back to this post!
~BlueiceJ~
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Bearcat saw no action, theirfore as far as I know is excluded from AH, B 29 would be cool but I would rather see a buff for USSR and Italy first, P 40 is a must.
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We don't need another "Ubber Dweeb Ride".
What we need are planes that are so glaringly missing from the plane set. There are NO dive bombers at all. There are no Axis Carrier planes to speak of except the Zeke. Many land planes are missing - P-40, B-25 German Bombers, Japanese Strike planes & bombers, etc.
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The F8F wouldn't be an "uber dweeb ride". Yes, it DID have awesome acceleration and climb, but consider it's weapons.
4 x .50's (the 4 20mm's weren't added until after the war ended)
That is a huge weakness for a perk plane, since it's death for a perkplane to slow down and saddle up on something and 4 x .50's lack the power to kill in snapshots. Were the F8F added to AH, I doubt it'd see as much usage as a F4U-1C or Tempest for that reason. I think the most use the F8F would see would be on H2H servers.
J_A_B
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what is the zeke?
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FirstBorg,
That is the Allied code name for the A6M Zero.
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Bearcat did see action in WW2! I thought the armament was 6 x .50's or 4 x 20mm cannons? That would be a pretty sweet ride. We basically need as many planes as we can get. Preferably, The WB III Planeset would be very nice! That would give us a great selection of everything!
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We do have dive bombers, the TBM Avenger. It's not the best dive bomber, but it suffices doesn't it? AH has really gotten too dweeby anyways. The planes that should be perked aren't, and the people in their are dweebier than ever.
~BlueiceJ~
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The TBM is not a dive bomber, the Bearcat did not see action in WW2 unless I am mistaken.
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F8F never saw combat. it was deployed to some squadrons and was on its way to the pacific but the war ended before it could get to its destination. it would be neat to have in AH but not a "must have" kind of plane.
as for the others....we need more Jap and LW stuff before we get a B29. the p40 would be an outstanding plane to have in the set...but like i said...we need more Jap and LW stuff. the italians need WAY more stuff before we get more american birds. IMO
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Originally posted by brady
The TBM is not a dive bomber, the Bearcat did not see action in WW2 unless I am mistaken.
F8F was in production and in operation late in the war. the CV it was on didnt reach the front lines before the war ended.
whels
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I cannot point you to the site where I read this because I dont remember it, but the F8F did in fact fly patrols in the Pacific during the last weeks of the war and in my mind that counts as combat time.
Mazz
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combat sorties are combat sorties.To be reanked as such surely it has to at least fire at or bomb something of the enemies or better still see and fight an enemy aircraft or something similar.Otherwise its just a sortie and doesnt qualify as 'saw combat'.
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I think the question of "did it see combat" regarding the F8F is missing the point.
The F8F would be useless for scenarios. That much is obvious. Since scenarios are the only part of AH which re-creates WW2, they're also the only part of AH where an aircraft's combat record matters. Were the F8F added to AH it obviously wouldn't be for scenarios, so its combat record (or lack thereof) is irrevelant.
What matters more is how the F8F would impact the one place it WOULD be used--the MA. And in this case, I question its usefulness as it would HAVE to be perked but a perk fighter with only 4 .50's wouldn't likely see much airtime. Heck, the F4U-4 with 6 .50's is hardly used and it's also faster than the F8F.
I've got nothing against adding the Bearcat to AH; but I don't really care to see it either. IMO it'd be an interesting plane without a role (much like the TA 152). I feel there are better choices to add right now, both for the MA and for scenarios. The P-40 would definately be a great addition!
J_A_B
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Even with only 4x.50s the F8F would be a monster arena aircraft. Someday we will probably get it in AH as a perk or something that can only be flown in some late-war-uber environment.
Hooligan
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Yes, now I am rethinking everything I said because everyone is making feel like crap :D hehe. I agree with the addition of the P-40 and we do need more LW And Jap planes, like more fighters and more bombers. If they would hurry up with everything, we will have a sweet plane set. We need a plane set more like WB III, they have a ton of planes, but I can't wait until 1.09 is out, which will most likely be never! Well write back people,
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~BlueiceJ~
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mmm... i'd rather have the F7F Tigercat ;)
Bring the P-61 and A-26 to AH! :)
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I would love to have the black widow. Its kicks but.:D :D :D :D
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Originally posted by Tac
mmm... i'd rather have the F7F Tigercat ;)
Bring the P-61 and A-26 to AH! :)
You and I and about 2 dozen others are in total agreement, any of these planes would be great, been asking HT and Pyro for the Black widow since 1995, guess I need to bribe them :rolleyes:
I'd gladly take the F7F in exchange for a Black widow.
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In 1938 the U.S. Navy contracted for the development of a prototype twin-engined carrier-based fighter, designated the XF5-1. While the prototype did not enter production, its evolution and testing gave Grumman valuable experience in this type. In early 1941 Grumman began work on a new twin-engined Navy fighter, designed to have high performance and unprecedented firepower. A contract was awarded in June 1941, with the first flight taking place in December 1943. The new aircraft, known as the F7F Tigercat, featured foldable wings and tricycle landing gear, with four 20mm cannons and four .050 inch machine guns providing an offensive punch. In addition, it could carry either a pair of 1000 pound bombs or a single torpedo. Grumman received a contract for 500 Tigercats, which were to be supplied to the U.S. Marines to provide close-air support for their operations. Unfortunately the production Tigercats materialized too late to see operational service with the USMC before the end of the war.
Black Widow saw service so guess it would be more suitable plane. It also looks cool :)
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actually id rather see all the american toejamty bellybutton planes kicked out of this game
and id love to see some more spits and other british planes added.
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Oh yes! The F7F Tigercat would be cool! And why not ME410 too. Those two have always been my favourite two engined.
-Charge+
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It wouldn't be proper to allow the F8F into the historical scenarios, BUT how about a THEORETICAL ARENA!? :D I would love to have the opportunity to fly various experimental aircraft that were developed during WWII but which never made it into combat.
I realize that the flight data on some of these is incomplete and therefore no flight models could be worked up. Some of these aircraft DO have sufficient flight data to allow the development of flight models for Aces High.
How about it HI-Tech? :)
Regards, Shuckins