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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Krusher on March 10, 2002, 10:05:03 PM
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cc to that.. open old wounds? not at all..
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Watched it w/ my roommate last night. Unbelievable! S! To those 2 french dudes. They captured history first hand from the hero's perspective. Did any body notice how much irony there was in the program? I thought it was chilling...
S! to FDNY!
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Still disturbed by the whole event. I spent time reading with my kids last night...maybe in a year I'd be able to stomach it.
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I am like you Rip. I thought it was/is too soon to air this.
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not to soon as too many have already forgotten..
shame is those ppl probably didn't watch it
very well done, professional, one hell of a tribute to FD's across the country.
it made me sad and VERY angry at the same time
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I have to add that this was the best TV show on the regular networks that I've seen in 20 years. I don't think it was too soon, it was a good reminder of why we are where we are today 6 months later. Seeing those firefighters do their job in the midst of all the chaos was remarkable.
The desturbing part was when I realized what the crashing sounds they kept hearing were, about 2 min later the french camera man confirmed my fears, it was very sad and kept me choked up through the whole program.
These two guys got some really great footage of the city of NY too, I'm sure they didn't even plan it that way. But they actually caught on film all/most of the important people/events that happened that day. When they were just trying to shoot the FDNY doing its job.
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Those two frenchmen are now sueing the FDNY for illegally distributing boot leg copies of that film on VCR.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Those two frenchmen are now sueing the FDNY for illegally distributing boot leg copies of that film on VCR.
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Can't be true ???
If so they are just scumbag :(
I've read somewhere that they were giving money to a charity fund
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how did they get copies of it?
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FF Union Upset Over Bootleg 9/11 Video (http://www.firetimes.com/story.asp?FragID=1463)
Naudet, making a documentary about a probationary firefighter Sept. 11, was with one of the units responding to the scene. He took 90 minutes of video, including some graphic shots of the faces of firefighters who died.
"He came to us and said he didn't want to profit from guys dying," said Edward Burke, a trustee of the Uniformed Firefighters Association. Burke said he first came to them late last year to discuss how to distribute proceeds from the documentary.
Pictures from the video have now been in public print, Burke said, and Naudet came to the union recently and asked that a request be put out to protect against widespread distribution.
The union sent out a warning to its 8,500 members yesterday in the form of an open letter from Naudet.
"Unauthorized and unregulated circulation of the tapes increases the likelihood that the footage will fall into the hands of parties who will make use of the footage in an exploitative manner and without regard to the firefighters' families," the warning said.
It also said that such use "decreases the value of the footage and will therefore reduce the revenue that the fund will receive."
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Correction: "Threaten" to sue...
http://library.northernlight.com/FA20020310920000015.html?cb=0&dx=1006&sc=0#doc
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The important point is (at least for me)
It also said that such use "decreases the value of the footage and will therefore reduce the revenue that the fund will receive."
It's not how I've understood at first , at first I only understood that they were trying to increase their revenue and nothing else.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Correction: "Threaten" to sue...
http://library.northernlight.com/FA20020310920000015.html?cb=0&dx=1006&sc=0#doc
Firefighter tell New York that the filmmakers threatened to sue firefighters who circulated bootleg copies of the raw footage - footage fire officials believe should have been turned over immediately to aid in the search effort.
Top notch journalism here. :rolleyes:
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Not everything deserves a critique.
That show is what TV was invented for. Well done and very compelling.
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The thing that really struck me was how radio communication broke down early on because of the overloaded communication system, and the fact that someone in their living room watching CNN had more information than those on the scene.
I think they marketed the program in a foolish way. To me, the program was 100% about the firemen and the job they did. But from the TV ads it made you think that it was just about the buildings collapsing. It was a much better program than I had anticipated.
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Only point I want to make about the broadcast is this. Many in this country and around the world need to be reminded WHY we are in Afganistan right now.
I couldn't see it at home as I had to be on the road. I have it taped (I hope) and will watch it next weekend.
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I watched it, very good documentary. Were there firemen trying to rescue the people trapped on the upper floors? All I saw on the program were the firemen in the lobby. I could hear the bodies of people jumping out of windows smashing into the ground. Also, what killed the Chaplain?
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i dont watch tv so i missed this
any idea when it will be rerun?
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Moose, CBS has the rights to air it one more time. They have not yet announced when that will be.
There were many firemen who started up the stairwells when they arrived at the Trade Center. I heard at least one say during the program that they got to the 20th floor before the other tower collapsed and they were told to evacuate.
All of the reports that I have read state that Chaplain Judge was killed by falling debris. I wonder if there were other firemen in the lobby of #1 that were killed when #2 collapsed.
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yes
what's strange is the fact that the plane hitting the other tower (2), causing it's collapse before tower 1, actually saved all of the lives of the fireman at the station in the documentary... otherwised they'd been crushed when tower 1 collapsed with them on the upper floors helping others/fighting the fire..
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One of the firemen commented on that. They knew that the elevators were down so they began to go up on foot.
They said it took approximately one minute per flight of stairs. The crash in WTC 1 was somewhere near the 80th floor...
That's 80 minutes. Awful long time to be stuck in a fire.
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I think if someone is forgetting about how mad we should be about this and why we need to be hip deep in everyone elses business, then they need to watch the unedited version of this Documentary.
We all know why CBS put the thing on and that was for ratings...but I still feel that America does not understand the severity of what has happened to us. This was a warning plain and simple. It may have not been intended as one but I would say that the biggest point I got out of it is that we better start paying attention to more than just why the Sunday paper wasn't on the front porch and what color is my new car going to be.
I have a chance to talk with young folks and I can not believe they have the nerve to tell people they would run to Canada if their nation asked for their help. But I am USMC through and through so I would say I am a little biased on that point.
The documentary was more than I expected and with out editing it would have been enough to scare every man and woman in this nation so badly....well I am just thankful that this documentary was edited.
Ripsnort.....your an awesome father. I bet your kids appreciated you reading to them too:)
Mave. If you did not tape it I did so if you need to borrow it let me know.
Sorry to ramble guys but I was awed by this doc. like many of you were.
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Jebo,
I am with you on your post. If I am faced with someone who say's they'd run to avoid fighting I'd have to end the conversation right there to avoid demonstrating to them the futility of cowardice.
Thanks MUCH on the offer of the tape. I'll let you know.
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being from NYC and living near it, I had mixed emotions.
9/11 was very difficult for my family and most of us in the tri-state area. from the moment the first tower was hit our phone did not stop ringing for weeks. it became horrible just to answer the phone because you knew it would be someone saying "so-and-so is now missing."
the actual event itself was mind-boggling. but oddly enough, its those small personal moments that seem to be the most pronounced. like not being able to reach family for 2 days because the phone lines were overloaded. or, on 9/13 the smell and ash started falling on my town covering everything.
i could go on and on. all i know is that it will take some people years, if ever, to get over the actual events.
the documentry was well done and tasteful. if there is such a thing for such an event. all the photos of people burning and jumping out of the WTC have been hidden away somewhere.
thank goodness. however, despite how ugly those photos might be....maybe the whole world really needs to see the un-edited version so everyone can really understand what terrorism can do.
next time someone complains about the USA being war mongers bring them to NY- make them stand in a 14 acre burned out hole in the ground located in the middle of a major city and then rub their faces in the corpses of the 11 Firemen that they found today, 6 months after 9/11.
Lets Roll
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Jebo,
The VCR failed the mission. How can I get a copy of the tape. I can opy yours if you want. (Multi deck VCR here). I'll email if you have a profile posted other wise please e-mail me at motor31@yahoo.com.
Thanks I REALLY want to see this show.