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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Thunder on July 04, 2000, 12:18:00 PM
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Hangtime and Thunder are in the Officers Club. Thunder is working on his fifth Bourbon & Water and Hangtime slaps down another Scotch. Thunder watches Hang kick his cat across the floor because he was gettin too friendly on his leg. Well Hang...I agree with you! It's time for a 2 vs 2 duel with P-51's against 2 matched LW planes. You think if we radio Berlin we will get anyone to meet us over the chanel?
Hangtime looks over at Thunder with a steel look! "MAKE THE CALL"!
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I feel offended if I see messages that inlcude the true or fictional fact that cats are kicked.
Az (in the name of Ariel)
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"Triumphant we fly"
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Fahgedabout 2v2. That's just 1v1 with..ah.. 2 more planes.
8v8!
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Thats just 7 more skirts to hide behind! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) You and Hristo?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Lets not take it to "Furballin" right off the bat!
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Az.. as I'm sure u know; my poor old puddy tat has the life of Rielly. It adoped me some 10 or more years ago; and was my childs companion till she got a Rotty. Then, it was my turn to perform a rescue.
The cat has never suffered a moments indignity while in my presence.. and it will remain so. There's a special place in hell for those that abuse animals.. and all joking aside; you may rest assured I shall do my utmost to insure her remaining time is pleasant and safe from harm; in any form. Even tho I am not a 'cat person' and have always considered them less desirable as companions than my dogs; it recieves respect and attention from me as part of the sacred trust that is attached to sharing your home with one.
My virtual cat; Hairball, on the other hand, has an attitude that requires constant adjustment. And; praise be to those that care; gets a stiff virtual kick now and again. As do I. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks fer caring..
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[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 07-04-2000).]
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My Word...
An 8 v 8 squad duel?? Lordy; that WOULD be fun. Unfortunatly; I cannot vouch or commit my squad.. it's not my place to do so.
However; if I can get 8 sharp pony pilots that are willin to do the deed; I'm sure something could be arranged. I have Camel willin to saddle a pony for this; and it's fer sure Thunder and I would be happy to play.. that's three; so far.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hristo.. u gonna leave me in this G10 all tour; or has this past week been pennance enuff? I need to work with my team in a pony; just as u need to drill yer team in the a4.
Advise; plz... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 07-04-2000).]
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I will volunteer to fly the a5 for the Luftwaffe team, a 8v8 would be awesome
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Salute Zigrat! Definately a formibable foe and a worthy LW pilot! I will look forward to flying against you. It seems we are moving toward 8v8! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) 2 v 3 now... sounds like we are looking for a few more good men!
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ill take one of the 51 if that is ok with you
guys. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hangtime, our intelligence reports you have made 23 kills in G-10, while being shot down 24 times.
As much as this record shows you need more training in the particular type, I am ready to free you of the wager, but under following condition :
Make a total of 50 kills in G-10 and you can go back to your P 51D.
As for the duel, I will see how much response I get in JG 2. Any other Fw 190A-5 volunteers are free to join, so we can pick the sharpest.
I repeat, 8 vs 8 at least, SEA, no icons fight, 10 k merge, no diving into the merge ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)), anything goes after. Are those conditions acceptable ?
Jagdflieger, let's hear you.
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In.
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Sturm Crows
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If the demand is great enuff... can we up the numbers a bit? 12v12? 20v20?
And why limit ourselves to a particular plane type? How about Axis planes vs Allied planes? I mean, this duel thing really started with the "Luftwaffte pilots are better" thing. Should hold true for any plane type, eh?
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If its no icons, which is a blast!, You should keep it to 2 plane types, whether it is 51's and 190a's.
I'll fly a 51 if there is a spot open.
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Hang ur 51 still allergic to LW 30mm?
If so count me in <GRIN>
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Count me in... at least if hristo accepts me (doing pretty lousy lately (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) but Im considered a good wingman so who knows (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Bee
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I found this interesting when I looked it up.
Query results:
The Bf 109G-10 has 442 kills and has been killed 494 times against the P-51D.
I thought that by performance chart I saw earlier that the 109G-10 would have done better.
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LOL.. 10k against a4's??
Man; I dunno. I'd rather it was at 20k; the a4 being so damn agile down low. How 'bout we spilt the diffrence.. 15k. Everything else seems just peachy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And thanks.. 50 kills and your 109g10 is ransomed back; and I appreciate it. I also appreciate just how damn hard it is to fly in a furball. Salute those loyal 109 drivers that actually like the damn thing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ok; We got Thunder; Camel; Ammo and myself. Thats four... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The 13th Combined Pony Wing is born. Meets and training schedule in SEA to be announced... candidates for the composite wing will stay tuned for further developments. All may train.. our 8 best will fly on DuelDay.
As I understand it this will be a FWA4 v p51 exclusively match; 8 on either side; merge alt to be determined; in SEA, one death; last team still in the air wins it.
We gonna have a blast!
Salute!
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[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 07-04-2000).]
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I am mid way through our Halibut season, 6 to 7 day a week, 14 to 18 hours a day. I cant make it at this time, But the season is 8 months ending Nov 20th, i then go back to 9 to 5 hours with weekends off till Mar 15th.
As i have had 1v1 fights with Hristo,most memorable was in the old terrian. 15k merge W of F8. This fight lasted 12 to 15 minutes, his 109 & my p51. Neither of us willing to lose alt. On the 7th or 8th merge he nailed my fuel and as i take 25% with DTs i ran outa octane in short measure. Gliding back to mother earth, i was meat to his 109.
I had a sore wrist and my fingers on the left hand were cramped from jumpin to rudder keys and flap keys. It took about an hour for my heart to get back down to normal.
This fight was nothing short of spectacular.I would love the chance to go 4v4 or 8v8 at the end of the season.
I have the uttmost respect for Hristo as a good pilot and a challenging opponent. These fights are a learning experience that none should pass up. You cant learn tactics against certain AC without guys like Hristo (109), Leonid (La5), Gatt (205) and so on.
<S> all, and cyas up!!
Dog out.........
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And I will fly my spity... WHO SAID NO SPITFIRES? Oh, no spitfires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
What about mix, spits and ponies vs 109 and 190?
FAriz
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spitfire versus a5 would be pretty fair, we could do that one too at some point
though i think the spitfire is *slightly* better its pretty even
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hi all:
well if you dont mind to much, i would like to sit in a lawn chair on the ground with cooler full of beer, some sun screen and a couple of blonde babes. and just watch the action high above, please watch where you crash and die.
wolf37
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THUNDER BIRDS
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As of 7:27 pm this evening; Hangtime has 50 kills and 35 deaths in the 109g10.
Pennance complete.
Gawd; hope I never get stuck in one of those damn things again.
<S> Luftwalles; that's one mean machine.
Now; back to the regularly scheduled slaughter. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Wardog; if yer avial come fight day; sure would like to have yah with us. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 07-04-2000).]
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Umm...Ahhh....Mmmm...
Dingy, meekly pokes his head out of the barracks in Bishland and sees the invitation for a 10v10 Luftwaffle vs American iron duel.
He glances nervously left and right and makes sure Hang and Thunder arent looking and then pops a message in the mailbox addressed to "Luftwaffle Lovers Anonymous".
The letter reads:
"Dear Sirs,
I read with interest your idea of a 10v10 Luftwaffle vs American iron duel. Despite being allied with Hangtime and Thunder and the rest of the Luftwaffle hating Bishops, I find myself, irretrievably drawn to such a superbly performing plane.
If there is room left, I would sincerely be interested in participating on the side of the Luftwaffles.
Hell, I love to make fun of em, but they can sure make a sweet ride.
Sincerely,
Dingy
Dingy runs back across the street to the barracks and goes back to pulling Nit lead out of his ass.
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Hang....you know you weren't gonna do this thing without me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
My Pony will be polished and loaded and ready to dance...your right, this will be fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm sure you can count my wingy good to go as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas in the training arena!
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I'll fly a Pony (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
- Jig
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OK, Jagdflieger, we shall do first training on Sunday morning in US time, afternoon Euro. Around 3 PM GMT. Joined training with JG 2.
So far there are 6 of us. However, I expect quite a few JG 2 members to participate too.
Please, if you see greater numbers in TA, come and participate.
Meanwhile try to get as much experience in MA as possible in Fw 190A-5.
Please download RW if you haven't done so already. It is essential for this type of fight.
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 07-05-2000).]
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Hooooooly moly.
Just flew some practice P51D's against FWa5's in the SEA.. the A5 is fargin invisble aginst the terrain. The pony on the other hand; sticks out like a sore thumb.
"As it should be" you might say.. after all; the bright skinned allied A/C were that way to bring the LW to the fight, right??
Only thing is; when the allies did that they had a huge numerical superiority to the LW.. and was a key part of the strategy of bringing the tattered remmanants of the LW to battle so it could be eradicated.
So; that leaves us with an 8 v 8 duel where the LW has a significant advantage in aircraft climb, manuverbilty and visbility.
What can we do to even up the contest somewhat?? Wait for P51B's?? (a more historicly correct adversary for the FWa5's) Shall we turn icons on?? Or even the odds by using the historicly accurate numbers of at least 2 to 1.. ??
Certainly; as it stands, the way the graphics are rendered on a PC screen what we have is not at all acceptable to produce a 'fair' fight.... both sides should be equally visable or invisble at the least.
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[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 07-05-2000).]
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Plane quality is decidd by many facotrs, including camo scheme (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I agree, US planes did not need to hide the way the Luftwaffe had to make their planes harder to spot.
However, it is a double edged sword. If it shines, it is an opportunist. If it doesn't, it is Luftwaffe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Or would you rather be flying camouflaged Spitfires ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
P 51D has some very important advantages over Fw 190A-5, but camo ain't one of them.
Let's leave no-icon rule, unless you all agree it should be changed.
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Man, I would be flying for luftwaffe even without warm up and proper skill keep up for last 4 months, if I would have that account up..
For the first times after those warbirds days I am willing to go for duel sort of thing... or hmm, I did duel with By-Tors spit vs my Bf109, and also Camels P-51 in 109.
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Fishu, make that comeback, please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I would say get away with the restrictions of Co-alt merge Hangtime and the Allies should stand a chance (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
i'd luve to join that fight .. but you have no HOGs in yer line up... ahhwwww (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
DW6
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Flew 2v2 last night...ponies vs. a5.
With no icons on, I would lose the a5 50% of the time. Guys it was so bad that while saddlin up over the a5, I would lose it in the terrain simply during the view change...would take me sometimes 5-10 seconds to find it again, thus losing the advantage I had gained.
With icons on, I have my moments and can give a good fight from time to time...with icons off, I'm afraid I'm not the pilot the rest of you are.
I've been flying real planes off and on since I was 15 years old...If the perspective was as it is in this sim, I would have died years ago (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas when icons are on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Rude (edited 07-05-2000).]
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Rude
Maybe HT can model the p51-Ia or p51-B, either would even the odd with no Icons. The Ia is the RAF version in RAF Camo,and the B would be all Olive Green.
Dog out..
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ALl the more reason to support my post "What DNIL Said".
We need weekly historical matchup arena.
XX
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Rgr that WD (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang and I were discussing the same this morning. You, prolly more than anyone, know how I am...not interested in offering me or my aircraft up for ez kills just so they can boast about it later...I seek better odds...or as an old nine ball player would say, "Give me some weight" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up my friend!
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