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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on March 11, 2002, 02:03:34 PM
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Admittedly, I'm not the best stick in AH, however, I can hold my own. I ran into a guy I know but haven't had the opportunity to fight co-alt, co-e. Usually he or I had a huge advantage and the outcome was par for the course.
But. This past weekend we met briefly. I'm flying a P51B for the first time in a while and spot an F6F at 11 oc nearly co-alt. I see him nose down for speed, so instead of diving in, I stay level & roll into him a little. He's climbing for my 6, so I kick rudder, turn & dive for him. I get a quick snap shot with a few hits but no damage, not on the Hellcat.
Well, here is where it got interesting. I haven't reviewed the film enough to get the manuvers down but he was on me in a heart beat. All legit manuvers. He hits me, so I nose down and extend (hehe) away to assess damage. Left flap and left gear. Not too bad, think I'll climb on back up and give it another go. Nope, he's got an F4U with him now, so better head on back home.
Silly F4U wanted me too bad and paid the price. The Hellcat simply flies right on by our field, looking for a fight. What the heck, I'll follow. I eventually see him again. He just wasted a friendly (4 in all if memory serves) but there is an N1K about to go for him. A warped sense of chivalry I know, but I'm not going to let the N1K shoot him down when he's low & slow. In I go!!
I knew this guy was good but had no idea he had it down that good.
Cavalear. Ya whupped me.
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Originally posted by Apache
Admittedly, I'm not the best stick in AH, however, I can hold my own. I ran into a guy I know but haven't had the opportunity to fight co-alt, co-e. Usually he or I had a huge advantage and the outcome was par for the course.
But. This past weekend we met briefly. I'm flying a P51B for the first time in a while and spot an F6F at 11 oc nearly co-alt. I see him nose down for speed, so instead of diving in, I stay level & roll into him a little. He's climbing for my 6, so I kick rudder, turn & dive for him. I get a quick snap shot with a few hits but no damage, not on the Hellcat.
Well, here is where it got interesting. I haven't reviewed the film enough to get the manuvers down but he was on me in a heart beat. All legit manuvers. He hits me, so I nose down and extend (hehe) away to assess damage. Left flap and left gear. Not too bad, think I'll climb on back up and give it another go. Nope, he's got an F4U with him now, so better head on back home.
Silly F4U wanted me too bad and paid the price. The Hellcat simply flies right on by our field, looking for a fight. What the heck, I'll follow. I eventually see him again. He just wasted a friendly (4 in all if memory serves) but there is an N1K about to go for him. A warped sense of chivalry I know, but I'm not going to let the N1K shoot him down when he's low & slow. In I go!!
I knew this guy was good but had no idea he had it down that good.
Cavalear. Ya whupped me.
Cavalear is good alright! I've had three encounters with him, and he lead the series 2 to 1. He's killed my SpitIX and my Yak-9T. I got him with a Zeke. I can't recall any details.
My regards,
Widewing
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Cav is one of the best fites in AH(IMHO)...If... you are lucky enough to find him alone in MA...Defintely the best F6F jock around...And the most fun of (almost) any plane or MA situation...
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Yup,
Cav is one mean dude. Better leave it there. Don't want anyone resting on laurels:)
BTW I've been flying the hellcat a bit over the last few days and its one hell of a fiter.
Gremlin.
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Cavalear is definitely a good stick. Have run into him in various birds from a spit to the corsair and to the hellcat. He always pushes me to the limits and I can almost assuredly bet he leads the series of fights between us. He is a well respected foe, and I would love to see a fight between him and the Mathman.
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he was on me in a heart beat. All legit manuvers.
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Just out of curiosity, what manoevers would you consider un-legit?
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Originally posted by Goth
I would love to see a fight between him and the Mathman.
I would like to see a fight between us too, but I know what the outcome would be. I am sure he would kick my bellybutton all over the sky (I ain't that good, just gettin lucky). I must admit though, it would be one fun fight.
-math
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Originally posted by Yeager
he was on me in a heart beat. All legit manuvers.
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Just out of curiosity, what manoevers would you consider un-legit?
I threw that in to keep the "he cheated" remarks out. In other words, he didn't warp, didn't magically appear on my 6. Legit may have been the inappropriate word.
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He is a damm good sitck and truly a sportsman !
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Cavalear it's really good with F6. I had my best 1vs1 against him with 2 F6F, 2 moths ago. A duel of approximately 10 min at nightfall, very low speed's, SL. Unfortunately I don't have film of the figth.
Cavalear, you remember?
Greebo it's also an ace with the F6F.
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Originally posted by DarkglamJG52
Cavalear it's really good with F6. I had my best 1vs1 against him with 2 F6F, 2 moths ago. A duel of approximately 10 min at nightfall, very low speed's, SL. Unfortunately I don't have film of the figth.
Cavalear, you remember?
Greebo it's also an ace with the F6F.
I ran into Nath flying the F6F last night. He hasn't quite figured out how to fully exploit the Hellcat yet, but when he does, watch out, 'cause he's quite talented.
My regards,
Widewing
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I've only ran into Cavalear flying an F6F one time. The engagement I really remember against him had him in a mossie. That was a bit more of a challenge than I was expecting. I really hate it when mossie pilots understand the capabilities of the plane.
As far as hellcats go... I'd give Mathman the nod as being the most fun to fight against. What makes him fun is that he cannot stand to be shot down by another F6F. I've never landed a sortie where I've shot him down. Every time he re-ups and gets me before I manage to find my way home. If he gets the first kill.. I do the same to him. Its quite hilarious. Of course is passed back and forth... but I always know he's typing it after he's replaned and started heading back my way... cause I'm doing the same thing after he gets me.
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Cav is good. Had a nice fight f6f vs yakU with him, took about 5 minutes of intense dogfighting, and every bit of my skill. I won, but only because YakU is a better god than f6f.
Fariz
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If you fly Knights, and you ever join any mission I post, theres ALWAYS a F6F flight in the mission (unless its a historical planeset, ala all Japanese, all British, etc.). Cav ALWAYS leads that flight and Cav ALWAYS returns home. I feel very fortunate to have two of the best behaved, best overall mannered pilots in AH, who also happen to be in a short list of "Best pilots" in AH, Swoop and Cav (and their both BLOODY BRITISH!) :) I try to model myself of their behavior online, its tough, but these guys are true gentlemen.
Don't get Swoop started on Spitfires, I've yet seen anyone Ace him out yet in one.
To be honest, I cannot imagine being on another squad, the guys I fly with are just simply the best to be online with! They're the only reason I haven't left AH for greener pastures! I'm sure others feel that way about their squadmates too. :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
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"Don't get Swoop started on Spitfires, I've yet seen anyone Ace him out yet in one."
Oooo...Oooo...Get on over here Swoopy you damn dirty Ape!!!!
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:D
Actually I get shot down in Spits quite a lot. Usually when I get drawn into a low fight......I kill whatever it is I was chasing then get jumped by half the arena......and the spit doesnt run away very well. ;)
This is why I've been flying the P51 more recently......and spinning lots. LOL.
Also found that spending more time in .50cal armed birds like the P51 and F6F has ruined my gunnery in cannon armed birds. So Invasion Silicy is gonna be interesting if I cant hit anything.......so.......back to the typhoon for me for a while until I can hit stuff again. Then I'll be a crappy shot in the .50cal birds again.......
There just isnt a happy medium. :cool:
Just for interest, Cav and I hated the Hellcat when we were first forced to fly the damn thing in Hostile Shores. Since then we've both kinda developed a love for them........but I still wont dump my lovely spit for an ugly old F6.
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Widewing speweth:
I ran into Nath flying the F6F last night. He hasn't quite figured out how to fully exploit the Hellcat yet, but when he does, watch out, 'cause he's quite talented.
You barely shot me down on the deck in a Spit V when you start d800 off my six, and you have the gall to say this? rolf.
I'd beat anyone in this game in the F6F 1v1, including cavalear. And I fly it about 3 times a week.
So, Widewing, stop making blanket statements about people's skills because you get one or two kills on them when they are not even fighting you or when you start off with six with the greatest advantage possible while in one of the best TnBers in the game. IF you had lost to an F6F in the position described above, that would surely be sad. Don't forget that I was also setting you up for DMF.
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Ah.. eventually you'll get a girlfriend Nath... then you'll find that playing with others can be more fun than playing with yourself.
AKDejaVu
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Edit.
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
I'd beat anyone in this game in the F6F 1v1, including cavalear. And I fly it about 3 times a week.
If Cav and I beat Nimitz and Curly in the loose deuce semi final you'll get your chance to back that statement up.
And mate, have you any idea how to accept a compliment or are you just gonna give DjV even more ammo than he has already?
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
Widewing spewth:
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"I'd beat anyone in this game in the F6F 1v1, including cavalear. And I fly it about 3 times a week."
I'd take you on Nath but this F6F is Cav's turf...Sorry to spout but...Eww..Bring on the 1 Vs 1 Ladder..Yeah mon!...
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Ripsnort posted(before he had to delete it):
Nath, you have alot of growing up to do..."Best Pilot" doesn't necessarily mean "Best Stick". Think about it. If there were such a top 10 "Best Pilot", you'd lack 50% of what that award would require, modesty and personality. (Ouch, that may leave a mark, but I suspect you already have many marks)
haha. The LAST thing I'd want to strive for is the acceptance of a group of 35yr olds who make it their life to have 5000+ posts on a gaming board, meanwhile their skills in the actual game are the complete opposite of their l33t posting skillz.
People come here and front on me and I'm going to do the same.
to Snoop and Sirlion, why wait? I'd be willing to take you both on at the same time.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Ah.. eventually you'll get a girlfriend Nath... then you'll find that playing with others can be more fun than playing with yourself.
AKDejaVu
LOL, missed that one. :D
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Nath,
how dare you! I'm nowhere near 35. :D
And I see you're avoiding the Cav issue......wassamatta? Scared of little old Cav?
I'll take ya on if ya really want but I dont really see what it'll resolve. The issue here is Cav being awesome in the Hellcat (which he is).
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Humm, scarey. Somehow Nath in his self-centered outbursts reminds me of the four fellows of Manowar, though in a positive way.
A small quote of what's it all about:
"Pounded by the hammers
Of the giants of the world
I can see in darkness
I'm the overlord
Single combat I await
My shadow brings them fear
The spikes upon my chariot
Will grind them when they're near
Born of Black wind fire and steel
Born of Black wind fire and steel
Born to teach them all to heel
Born of Black wind fire and steel"
See? Comes quite close, doesn't it :D
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And I see you're avoiding the Cav issue......wassamatta? Scared of little old Cav?
Already challenged him in my first post.
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
Already challenged him in my first post.
FYI, Cav doesn't seek out people for fights, people seek out Cav. That in itself should say tons. ;)
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Whats with this Nath guy.....:rolleyes: I think that you need to calm thy self.
I can almost smell the arrogance. :eek:
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And what?
Cavalear was only used as an exemplar to prove my point against Widewing's banal remark about my 'skill' in the F6F.
I'm willing to duel Cavalear to prove my point further--while likewise subjugating him and his new found claque's beliefs of his 'F6F skills'.
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
And what?
Cavalear was only used as an exemplar to prove my point against Widewing's banal remark about my 'skill' in the F6F.
I'm willing to duel Cavalear to prove my point further--while likewise subjugating him and his new found claque's beliefs of his 'F6F skills'.
Nath, Cav has been in AH since beta days (214thCavalear, with The Wrecking Crew back the) and has been in the Hellcat cockpit since it was first introduced, we've had a helluva time ripping him out of it, but, since hes the quiet type, he doesn't draw alot of attention. Those are the guys that make ya jump. ;)
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This is just a game....
with the levels of confidence here, why bother?... You should be in the air force, doing what you do best,... right?
:rolleyes:
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As I will be. I'm 18, my goals are to be a pilot in the USN.
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I liked it better when you were banned. Widewing gave you a compliment but of course it didn’t say that you were god of the sky so I can see as how it would rub you wrong. Suffering from low self esteem maybe? Try the ARMY or Marines, they can do wonders for that attitude. Of course fluff to fluff I guess**.
As for Cav, he’s a class act and great pilot. You know Apache, he could have easily been your wingman ;).
Zippatuh
**Disclaimer** Not intended as a global slam of Airforce officers or enlisted. Although you are a bunch of panzies! :p
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NathBDP, Confidence is great,.....
Arrogance will get you nowhere fast in the military.
:)
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Yeah, it's a game. And winning is fun.
btw take a look at this quote by Widewing and read it carefully:
I ran into Nath flying the F6F last night. He hasn't quite figured out how to fully exploit the Hellcat yet, but when he does, watch out, 'cause he's quite talented.
How can you see this clearly invidious remark as being a complement?
It's like saying, "you're good, but not good enough."
What's equally sad is that he's basing this opinion of my F6F skills on a lame kill where I couldn't even do anything besides try and make him an easy shot for Leviathn. Widewing started d800 off my six in a SpitV.
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
Widewing speweth:
You barely shot me down on the deck in a Spit V when you start d800 off my six, and you have the gall to say this? rolf.
I'd beat anyone in this game in the F6F 1v1, including cavalear. And I fly it about 3 times a week.
So, Widewing, stop making blanket statements about people's skills because you get one or two kills on them when they are not even fighting you or when you start off with six with the greatest advantage possible while in one of the best TnBers in the game. IF you had lost to an F6F in the position described above, that would surely be sad. Don't forget that I was also setting you up for DMF.
Geez, try and give the guy a compliment..... Talk about ingrained feelings of inadequacy......
Nath, either you're pregnant or you're not. You were shot down, period. Not partially shot down, not 50% shot down, just plain dead. And, I didn't even mention it. You seem to ignore the fact that I was dueling with you, DMF and some other F6F too. All of you were trying to get position on me. I pinged the other Hellcat and he disengaged. You, on the otherhand, screwed up. You got too far from your wingman, and he could not save your bacon. I chased you down, you tried to maneuver free, even tried a power-off barrel roll. Nothing worked. I pulled off power, half rolled, skidded and shot you (for what it's worth, I'm 17/2 against Hellcats this tour, and only 6 of those came in a SpitV).
I saw DMF coming. However, if I expect to have any chance, I have to kill you when the opportunity came, regardless of your wingman boring in. Yeah, my rolling skid killed my E, as it was supposed to. DMF could have hardly missed, and he didn't. Yet, considering the odds and the quality of the opposition, I was content to break even. I got you fair and square, DMF got me fair and square. What's the problem?
I thoroughly enjoyed the fight. Despite the long odds, it was fun. I also enjoy dueling with some of the better pilots, such as you and DMF. I hope we meet more frequently in the MA.
Why, however, is it that you cannot accept the fact that I shot you down without making excuses? "You were in a SpitV" or "I was setting you up for DMF", blah, blah, blah. Remarks such as "when you start d800 off my six" are beneath you. I suggest you consider HOW I got on your 6 in the first place. God didn't place me there to punish you. Or, did he? :eek:
My regards,
Widewing
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Ah.. OK... it wasn't ENOUGH of a compliment.
Geez nath.. hurry and grow up.. would ya?
AKDejaVu
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Damn must be pre 1.09 boredom setting in on the boards for this thread to pop up !
Appreciate all the positive comments guys Thx.
To Apaches post yes i remember being hounded by a P38, N1k, P51 and of all things a B26 trying to nail me in the weeds was a fun fight and glad it was not the N1k that finished me :)
Darkglam sorry cannot specifically remember that 1, hell 1 week is a long time for me to remember, now if i lost v an F6F then maybe i would because they burn at my soul ;)
As for Nath ?
No problems with Nath and his attitude, in fact I him, as for his comments in this thread if you think thats bad you should have been around for his first stint in AH, he was FAR worse on the BBS and in the MA. In fact so bad i believe he is to date one of very few actually to be banned for a very long time.
I have no idea how well your doing Nath now you are back in AH but before you were a VERY good pilot and few could challenge you and win, and many people missed you as an opponent but not your bad mouthing antics :)
Arrogance in a competitive arena is no bad thing especially when you "may" be facing some of us in the duel soon, so pre fight tactics of arrogance and derogatory remarks of others abilities which may get them angry and tense and hence easier to kill is a smart move :)
Widewings remark about Naths skill in the F6 could not have been better aimed at hurting Nath if he had tried.
That would have been an arrow through the heart of Naths belief that he is the ultimate AH pilot.
Kick a dog and he is very likely to bite back, its in his nature.
PS I will duel anybody for FUN
But NOT to prove a point either way.
Everybody loses sometimes the mark of a man is how you handle it
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See what I mean? :cool:
Now that's true British class at it's best.
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I was the other F6F, you got one of my elevators in the initial pass.
I didn't disengage, but with a severly handicapped turning ability, I was forced to stay above and try to BnZ you. I couldn't get my guns on target fast enough, and DMF got you.
I saw the whole engagement from about 1.5K above you both.
-SW
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If Widewing can get a kill on Nath when starting on Nath's 6, then I <
> Widewing's skill, because that's more than I can do.
There is always a group of guys, like Nath and Cav and Cit and Drex who I know I'll never be able to beat. These guys are the REASON I fly the P-51--if I can't beat 'em, at least I can run from them :)
J_A_B
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Widewing,
Thanks for your wonderfully prolix reply, however, you wasted your words. As they will be made defunct in two sentences:
My original post was used to point out that your wonderfully skilled kill on my low F6F without E is nothing to base "hasn't learned how to exploit the F6F fully yet" statements on. So when you come here and start making pilot skill suppositions on events which don't prove anything except that you know two basic E bleeding tactics, then I'm going to come here and front on you.
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As regards to how you got on my six, that's probably because I was evading the other plane there, as well as trying to get a shot on him while you were coming in with alt and speed. Although this has nothing to do with what you originally posted about, I feel the need to set toejam straight.
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Hey Nath... you want to be in the Navy right?... A pilot?
You cannot cut it.. :(
I already see it now.....
"... What you mean "I" Screwed Up!?"..... It wasnt my fault... I am the best, and everyone knows it!".... -Nath
Meanwhile the CO, points out the fact that a brand new F-18 is destroyed becuase someone thought they were the best, and did not account for a carrier landing mishap. Luckily enough Nath you escaped...."
Hey Nath a Dose of reality for you. :-) You will always have someone better than you, and you will always be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for your OWN actions.
It is something that is a basic "Known" in life. Deal With it.
:)
It's like saying, "you're good, but not good enough."
PS. With this attitude.. and the way that your actions reflected as, based on this, I would really like to see you even get through Basic Training. Im almost positive that the MTI's are going to love you ;) :D
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This is a game.
Real life is different.
kthx, drive thru.
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LOL the real joke is he wouldnt make it through OTS, much less Flight school. That requires alot more humility and maturity than he has. They will eat him alive.
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Do you know me irl? Didn't think so.
kthx drive thru.
This is pretty funny though,
http://www.beatdownposse.com/images/old/films/def.ahf
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
I was the other F6F, you got one of my elevators in the initial pass.
I didn't disengage, but with a severly handicapped turning ability, I was forced to stay above and try to BnZ you. I couldn't get my guns on target fast enough, and DMF got you.
I saw the whole engagement from about 1.5K above you both.
-SW
Geez, it's a wonder I survived as long as I did... DMF, Nath and AKSWulfe..... I gotta find myself easier opposition. :D
I wasn't aware as to what damage I had inflicted to your Hellcat, I saw a few hits sprites, but it was obvious that the damage wasn't fatal. I dared not try to pursue with the others all trying to get at me. When you didn't reverse, I concentrated on the other two.
Nath is complaining that his energy state wasn't good. Well, neither was mine. I had made a couple of clearing turns prior to going after his F6F. My advantage was that the SpitV accelerates much better than the F6F. So, even if I were at Co-E, or slightly less, I'd run him down fairly soon anyway, unless there's a much greater lateral separation than actually existed.
Anyway, thank you for the missing details and clarification of what happened to "that other F6F".
My best,
Widewing
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My original post was used to point out that your wonderfully skilled kill on my low F6F without E is nothing to base "hasn't learned how to exploit the F6F fully yet" statements on. So when you come here and start making pilot skill suppositions on events which don't prove anything except that you know two basic E bleeding tactics, then I'm going to come here and front on you.
In that case...
Couldn't you have just said
"Thx Widewing, but different from what you may think, I'm quite confident in the F6F. I think I can say I've mastered it enough"
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:rolleyes:
ps) Having trouble in docile communication?
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Too boring.
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Darkglam sorry cannot specifically remember that 1, hell 1 week is a long time for me to remember, now if i lost v an F6F then maybe i would because they burn at my soul
:) It should be that :D Unfortunately for you, I had very lucky day and for me it's same F6F, Zeke's, 109, 205, c47...Well, the La 7 and spit have preference.
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selfexteem is a weak point
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or lack of, in this case.
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real men go in the submarine.
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
Widewing speweth:
You barely shot me down on the deck in a Spit V when you start d800 off my six, and you have the gall to say this? rolf.
I'd beat anyone in this game in the F6F 1v1, including cavalear. And I fly it about 3 times a week.
So, Widewing, stop making blanket statements about people's skills because you get one or two kills on them when they are not even fighting you or when you start off with six with the greatest advantage possible while in one of the best TnBers in the game. IF you had lost to an F6F in the position described above, that would surely be sad. Don't forget that I was also setting you up for DMF.
Nath.... Looks like we need to tangle. I haven't been in the kitty much since the la7 and niki dweebs came about but I would love to ahve a few duals and see if I can get back into her. How about it? Next time we in MA and see eachother?
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sure
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Great! I got to learn what I forgot somehow. I'll see ya on in the near future.;)
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
I'm 18
That might explain part of it.
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Nah, don't think it matters.
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
As I will be. I'm 18, my goals are to be a pilot in the USN.
lol with your attitude you wont pass the phsycological tests needed. They will piss you off sooner and quicker than anyone at this forum and players in the game are able to.
HeHe hollywood movies dont always tell the truth about needed pilot qualities, like hotshot, arrogant selfcentred superboys.
That is for true a myth.
But if your acting ridicolous for fun, here then its another story.
airguard
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Even the best got shot down in WWII. Sometimes more than once...or even twice.
Quite often these great sticks were combinations of confidence, competence, and humility.
"Arrogance is not a virtue. Humility is not a vice."
Shuckins
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Thought you wore glasses, Nath?