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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funkedup on March 11, 2002, 06:24:32 PM
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Just read about this, and it bothers me that it didn't get more publicity over here in the states.
http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/03/07/germany.troops/?related
Just to let everybody know that people here in the US do appreciate their sacrifice.
and Rest in Peace.
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Funked,
I saw the story on NBC and it was in my hometown paper fairly prominantly. FWIW.
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Yeah Funked I read about it last week too. I meant to post but I've been busy with deadlines at work and kept forgetting :(
Those guys are fighting for our freedom too and paid the ultimate price for it.
Thanks to them for their sacrifice!
again thanks to all who are fighting these evil ones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I know a fair number of people from these countries play here (StSanta, etc).
May god bless their brave souls.
...Also, historically making the Germans mad has been a REAL bad idea. Nice to see them channeling their inate military ability into the war on Terror, and fighting for freedom. I'd like to see the Bund's up on the front line with the Americans/Canucks/etc. That'd be a great show of solidarity and commitment, not to mention it'd scare the hell out of these other pissant countries like Iraq/Iran/N.Korea/etc, to see Nato actually operating as it was supposed to - in unison.
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Originally posted by Gman
Nice to see them channeling their inate military ability into the war on Terror, and fighting for freedom. I'd like to see the Bund's up on the front line with the Americans/Canucks/etc. That'd be a great show of solidarity and commitment, not to mention it'd scare the hell out of these other pissant countries like Iraq/Iran/N.Korea/etc, to see Nato actually operating as it was supposed to - in unison.
Do you really believe that many people in Germany see this stupid hollywood-war as a war against terrorism and for freedom?
Our politicians say in their declaration what they have to say - but this is really not, what the population here is thinking.
In this point Germany has the same weak position as the FDR to the USSR: Their officials also applauded when the "peace-loving" USSR "helped" the socialist government in Afghanistan against the bad mujaeddin-terrorists. This was also called in their propaganda a just and glorious fighting against terrorism and for the freedom of the people.
We in Germany have to accept this - but please dont believe, that we are happy to be involved in a stupid and senseless propaganda-war and to see our soldiers dying for it.
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Originally posted by babek-
Do you really believe that many people in Germany see this stupid hollywood-war as a war against terrorism and for freedom?
Our politicians say in their declaration what they have to say - but this is really not, what the population here is thinking.
In this point Germany has the same weak position as the FDR to the USSR: Their officials also applauded when the "peace-loving" USSR "helped" the socialist government in Afghanistan against the bad mujaeddin-terrorists. This was also called in their propaganda a just and glorious fighting against terrorism and for the freedom of the people.
We in Germany have to accept this - but please dont believe, that we are happy to be involved in a stupid and senseless propaganda-war and to see our soldiers dying for it.
There are American, Canadian and European soldiers in Afghanistan right now. They are putting their lives on the line, for our safety. They are risking their lifes, for our sake. Some even paying the ultimate price, the ultimate sacrifice, to protect us all here back home.
And then you sit and type filth like this? You miserable diddly!
Get the diddly away from this thread, and never post here again you sad pathetic piece of toejam!
HOW DARE YOU
And in the very same thread where people wanted to show their respect for the Soldiers killed in action. Have you no shame?
Do you piss in church too?
You sad, pathetic coward.
[edit: lost my temper, I hope this will not earn me a ban]
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Originally posted by babek-
Do you really believe that many people in Germany see this stupid hollywood-war as a war against terrorism and for freedom?
Our politicians say in their declaration what they have to say - but this is really not, what the population here is thinking.
In this point Germany has the same weak position as the FDR to the USSR: Their officials also applauded when the "peace-loving" USSR "helped" the socialist government in Afghanistan against the bad mujaeddin-terrorists. This was also called in their propaganda a just and glorious fighting against terrorism and for the freedom of the people.
We in Germany have to accept this - but please dont believe, that we are happy to be involved in a stupid and senseless propaganda-war and to see our soldiers dying for it.
Babek you sorry little piece of toejam,,,I`ve seen the faces on the
families left behind,so pleace don`t air this kind of BS,you won`t
get any credit for it.Im at work and haven`t got the time for this
immature nonsens.
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babek....
Frankly since 1945 nobody cares what the Germans think anyway.
We only worry when you guys start the "Umpah" and Marching music and elect madmen to office who want to take over the world!
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Originally posted by babek-
Do you really believe that many people in Germany see this stupid hollywood-war as a war against terrorism and for freedom?
Our politicians say in their declaration what they have to say - but this is really not, what the population here is thinking.
In this point Germany has the same weak position as the FDR to the USSR: Their officials also applauded when the "peace-loving" USSR "helped" the socialist government in Afghanistan against the bad mujaeddin-terrorists. This was also called in their propaganda a just and glorious fighting against terrorism and for the freedom of the people.
We in Germany have to accept this - but please dont believe, that we are happy to be involved in a stupid and senseless propaganda-war and to see our soldiers dying for it.
Words of human whitch lived under Hammer of propaganda
Originally posted by Curval-
Frankly since 1945 nobody cares what the Germans think anyway.
hey Curval do you know what does xenophobia, intolerance mean ?
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Sure do....
Nothing I wrote even comes close..it was more a knee jerk reaction to someone who was writing something that offended me...
Xenophobia means "fear of foreigners" and is generally used to describe bigotry perpetrated against immigrants.
Dictionaries are not that expensive...don't you own one yet?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
There are American, Canadian and European soldiers in Afghanistan right now. They are putting their lives on the line, for our safety. They are risking their lifes, for our sake. Some even paying the ultimate price, the ultimate sacrifice, to protect us all here back home.
And then you sit and type filth like this? You miserable diddly!
Get the diddly away from this thread, and never post here again you sad pathetic piece of toejam!
HOW DARE YOU
And in the very same thread where people wanted to show their respect for the Soldiers killed in action. Have you no shame?
Do you piss in church too?
You sad, pathetic coward.
[edit: lost my temper, I hope this will not earn me a ban]
well... yes we know that stupidity is an international you dont have to commemorate that
pissing in church ... i dont visit churchs, but if i will be there once and i will have demand and no choise, i will do it without blame.
Why should i blame about rock,dust and 'water' ??
you seems to be just another who is absolutly right and who do not accepts your true is just an another fool
I bet that you already prepared plans, how should people of Iraq,Korea etc.. live didn`t you ?
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Originally posted by Curval
Sure do....
Xenophobia means "fear of foreigners" and is generally used to describe bigotry perpetrated against immigrants.
Dictionaries are not that expensive...don't you own one yet?
Xenophobia - correct
intolerance ?
Dictionaries are free by the way.
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
Dictionaries are free by the way.
They are? Where? NOTHING is free where I live.
Intolerance?
Yea, I guess I am intolerant when someone calls the war in Afganistan a mere propaganda war.
All of the countries that sent troops over there are fighting to prevent another 9/11...that is what the war is about!
Trivialising the war just pisses me off!
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
pissing in church ... i dont visit churchs, but if i will be there once and i will have demand and no choise, i will do it without blame.
Our "conversation" ends right here. I truly have nothing to say to you.
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Originally posted by Curval
They are? Where? NOTHING is free where I live.
Intolerance?
Yea, I guess I am intolerant when someone calls the war in Afganistan a mere propaganda war.
All of the countries that sent troops over there are fighting to prevent another 9/11...that is what the war is about!
Trivialising the war just pisses me off!
lets be exact what do you imagine under expression FREE ?
Do you think that 9/11 was 1st step ?
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Okay....if I pay for something it is NOT free. I purchased the dictionary I own.
When I say nothing is free where I live I mean exactly that...we have no free health care, no "dole", and no government hand-outs. No workie, no money.
Do I think 9/11 was the first step? First step in what?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Our "conversation" ends right here. I truly have nothing to say to you.
nice one... i could not imagine better example of Intolerance then you provided.
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Originally posted by Curval
All of the countries that sent troops over there are fighting to prevent another 9/11...that is what the war is about!
Trivialising the war just pisses me off!
my note about 9/11 was related to that post
Somebody has been sent somewhere.... were we work on things sutch this before or is it first step ?
My question about free .: i asked because i wasnt sure if you speak about money or princips.
So now we can continue
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
nice one... i could not imagine better example of Intolerance then you provided.
Well, excuse me if I'm not liberal enough to just shrug when you claim to have the right to piss in a church if you feel the need.
"Why should i blame about rock,dust and 'water' ?? "
Real classy. A truly brilliant display of zero respect. Obviously YOU dont give a toejam. But I do. Call me intolerant if you want. I really dont give a diddly. As I said, our "conversation" is over.
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Eaglecz...I'm still unclear on what you are trying to say...
But...the fact is that the attack on 9/11 caught the US (and everyone in the west) with their "pants down".
The natural reaction is to pull them back up...which is why there are troops in Afganistan now.
(metaphorically speaking, of course)
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
lets be exact what do you imagine under expression FREE ?
Do you think that 9/11 was 1st step ?
ahhhhh gotta stop posting angry..........
I'll keep it simple and lose the argument, Babek and Eaglecz you guys are a couple of toejam heads...........
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Well, excuse me if I'm not liberal enough to just shrug when you claim to have the right to piss in a church if you feel the need.
Originally posted by eaglecz
pissing in church ... i dont visit churchs, but if i will be there once and i will have demand and no choise, i will do it without blame.
am i blind or your note about my note missing that BOLD option ?
Originally posted by Hortlund
"Why should i blame about rock,dust and 'water' ?? "
Real classy. A truly brilliant display of zero respect. Obviously YOU dont give a toejam. But I do. Call me intolerant if you want. I really dont give a diddly. As I said, our "conversation" is over.
should i have respect to you ? ... do you deserve it ? how should i know ?
You have same level of respect as every unknown thing.
at least i do not tag your culture as bad way and im not going to send sheep to smash you because im right and there is no other true but my. I just endure your difference and leaving you your own.
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Originally posted by Curval
Eaglecz...I'm still unclear on what you are trying to say...
But...the fact is that the attack on 9/11 caught the US (and everyone in the west) with their "pants down".
The natural reaction is to pull them back up...which is why there are troops in Afganistan now.
(metaphorically speaking, of course)
and what about they ? Are they just lobotomized bastards ?
Do you belive that they do not use head ?
May be they are just normal like you and me. They do reaction agains action. ?? have you ever think about that ?
well i speak about this .: find reasons why instead of forever cleaning and then think again about solution
does it sound so bad ?
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I can't believe you guys got dragged into trading insults with that little piece of soviet s@#t!
Don't make bloody fools out of yourselves, use the damn ignore button.
miko
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I wonder what went wrong?
to all soldiers that strive for global freedom from oppression.
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Originally posted by miko2d
I can't believe you guys got dragged into trading insults with that little piece of soviet s@#t!
Don't make bloody fools out of yourselves, use the damn ignore button.
miko
exactly be obey , shut up and follow us or we will F#$K with you
chmm chmm why im not surprised ?? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I wonder what went wrong?
to all soldiers that strive for global freedom from oppression.
Old outdated russian hardware,,,,unreliable as hell,I think
those missile were about 30 years old.
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WOW! This started as such a well meaning thread.
to all who are fighting for the freedom and our liberty.
Remember, intolerance is sometimes the only course of action that should be taken. Intolerance is not universally bad! There are many things in this world we need to be intolerant of.....like the crap spewed by the idiots who tried to use this thread as a sounding board for their sad little ideas.
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Hmmm... whats your problem?
Did I wrote that I am happy that anyone of the soldiers died ?
No. I hate to see anyone dying - and I have seen too much people dying in my work.
Did I wrote that I am happy that their relatives suffer ?
Again: No. And again: I have seen too much people who suffered during their dying and the pain and suffering of their relatives.
Because I saw what I have seen in my life, I hate the fact that soldiers are sent in - what is in my opinion - a senseless propaganda war forced to kill, be killed and that many innocents - like the relatives of the KIA - suffers because of (what I consider) nothing.
The world is not devided in black and white. There are no evil countries who could be attacked - and I consider the term "Axis of Evil" as one of the most stupid terms in this time.
I surely dont demand or expect that you accept my opionion and I have to admit that I didnt expect some of the childish and hysterical overreactions I have seen after my mail.
Although I still dont understand why anyone should piss in a church - like someone suggested here - I respect the opinion of those who believe that this is a just war and that these policy and wars will change this world into a better place.
But maybe you should have the tolerance to accept also other opinions - and it is my opinion that no war could solve any problems.
And if you accept it or not: Its a clear fact that the support for this war here in Germany is by far not so great as shown in the TV or by the offical german politician decalarations.
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Originally posted by babek-
Hmmm... whats your problem?
But maybe you should have the tolerance to accept also other opinions - and it is my opinion that no war could solve any problems.
I see....we should sit down and have a cup of tea with the terrorists and "discuss" our problem then?
I think you will find that historically war is the ONE THING that will solve certain problems. This is one of them...like it or not.
A great big to all of the soldiers doing the dirty work on our behalf.
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Steve, with UTMOST due respect, its frightening to see a JUDGE react like that. :(
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Steve, with UTMOST due respect, its frightening to see a JUDGE react like that. :(
NP m8. Im not offended one bit.
Just out of curiosity..what part was frightening to see?
The "I'm not liberal enough to shrug when you want to piss in church"-part, or the
"stop turning a to soldiers who gave their life for our security-thread into some political "this is just a hollywood war which we dont want"- BS flame war?
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There are many example how senseless wars are.
I offer you a recent one:
What was changed in the region after Desert Storm - a just war against the terrorist Saddam?
The Kuwaiti-opressing regime came back to rule - all the proclamations to add democratic elements were forgotten.
The rights of the Kuwaiti women are very similiar (but not as extreme) as under the Taliban regime for the women in afghanistan.
Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?
Saddam was allowed to continue to be president of Iraq and to live in luxury. Although everyone knows what kind of terrorist he is.
Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?
Even in his defeat Saddam killed in bloody massacres thousands of Kurds in the northern Iraq and Shiites in the south while the victorious armies stood aside and didnt intervened.
Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?
Thousands of soldiers are today suffering because of chemical or nuclear agents used during the fighting in the ammunition.
Their children are born with severe deformities.
These facts are mainly ignored in the press.
Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?
Actually just see the government of the "new" Afghanistan: In Kabul war-criminals have become ministers because they are powerful northern alliance warlords. Do you really expect that these terrorist will turn Afghanistan to a better place ?
Out of the cities the clans are starting their fighting and the puppet regime in Kabul could not survive a weelk without foreign troops.
Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?
With military operations you could maybe be succesful against the symptoms of the madness called terrorism.
But if you are not trying to find out what fueles this madness and why these mad terrorists have no problems to get new fighters who do mad suicide operations - you cant win against the madness.
Its like the treatment of an illness.
You have to treat the patient and not only some of the obvious symptoms in order to heal him.
Otherwise the illness will go on - and also the suffering of the patients.
So - in my opinion - its not the time of some military actions but of able politicians.
The sad fact is that I cant see them in the list of the actual protagonists.
And one last thing to all who praise the brave soldiers who are fighting the war for us:
I also pray for their safety.
I have seen young men who lost their legs because of a mine explosion or other military events. They were not speaking how happy they were to send into a war-region and have started their personal war: How to live on with their mutilations.
These are the true brave ones - and I respect them much more than others who order them in fightings without expecting any real consequences - like the example Kuwait has shown before.
Whoever has seen people from war or have been a war region must have learned enough to hate war forever.
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Steve, just the anger overtones in the post itself I guess...(shrugs)
Babek, this thread started off as a to brave men, please be kind enough to start your own thread if you want to change the topic.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Steve, just the anger overtones in the post itself I guess...(shrugs)
Babek, this thread started off as a to brave men, please be kind enough to start your own thread if you want to change the topic.
I hope that one of us here is lucky enough to spot babek on the battlefield, that is in our scope ;)
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(babek wrote) Its like the treatment of an illness.
You have to treat the patient and not only some of the obvious symptoms in order to heal him.
Otherwise the illness will go on - and also the suffering of the patients.
This is essentially true. You are trivializing however the treatment of the "obvious symptoms".
If you were to contract a cancer due to environmental reasons, the first thing to do is treat the cancer. Cleaning the environment 1st will do you no good if you are dead.
The treatment of the cancer may be extremely painful, and many cells may die. This is often the price paid to cure a disease.
Now, once the cancer is gone, the root cause can be eliminated. Don't stand there and ask me to die slowly of cancer while the environment is slowly changed.
Hope this is not too obscure of an analogy.
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Actually it is a perfect analogy...
I you midnight.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Hope this is not too obscure of an analogy.
Absolutely not - because I am working as MD in a cancer station in hospital.
The actual fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or N.Korea is the same as if I would treat only the cancer cells of the liver of a patient and ignore that these cells are only the metastases of cancer cells in his pulmonary systems.
So after I took the malign liver-cells out I send him home and he will die finally.
The same is happening actually. A war which does not attack the true sources of the problems.
Actually - as long as the primary illness center Palestine/Israel is not touched the illness wil go on and any treatment in the metastasic systems will be useless.
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Just two days after I posted in a thread that we had troops there and I said I wondered when we'd have our first casualties, this happens :(.
It's a tough, dangerous job that isn't fully appreciated by the general population. There's a lot of grief in Denmark today, yet a strong determination to move on.
My thoughts are with the families that lost loved ones :(
I do not appreciate or agree with those trivializing the efforts of these young brave men. For those of you that aren't familiar with Danish foreign policy, Denmark has a habit of trying to stay out of any unnecessary conflicts, and so far Denmark's contribution to wars in general (such as the Gulf war, or the bombing of Serbia) has been very limited.
Believe me, when Denmark committs peace keepers (which it has done quite often) but especially Special Forces personnel, it's because it is the opinion of the Danish government that it is of utmost importance. There are few things I can see as more important that battling international criticism.
Comparing the Gulf war and Iraq to these criminal murderers is like comparing apples to oranges. This isn't about oil. It is well and truly about defending our lives and values, both of which these murderous terrorists want to put an end to.
Feel free to disagree with the employment of troops - but do *not* trivialize the risks they take and the job they do. However you feel about the overall political decisions, what the soldiers do on the ground is very dangerous and demands extreme personal sacrifice, sometimes the ultimate sacrifice.
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PUNT to support babek- and S! anyway soldiers who died in a war that is not theirs :(
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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
PUNT to support babek- and S! anyway soldiers who died in a war that is not theirs :(
Get lost you puke
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Wow, that's an intelligent answer...:o
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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
PUNT to support babek- and S! anyway soldiers who died in a war that is not theirs :(
Whats "not your war today" becomes "your war tomorrow"...America is living proof of that historically, time and time again.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Hope this is not too obscure of an analogy.
Yep...it was a lost cause:rolleyes: .
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yep...it was a lost cause:rolleyes: .
It is a lost cause with the "evil" ones, they will never understand logic. But you're analogy was spot on 100% correct as far as I'm concerned................
ok are you back from throwing up that we agree? :D
you pinko commie! :D
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I'm just a tad curious as to what 'Herr Docktor' considers the cure to be for israel/palestine.
popcorn, anyone?
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If terrorists had crashed 3 fully fueled airliners into skyscrapers in Frankfurt, you can bet your bellybutton that the US would have been the first country to help Germany bring the bastards to justice. If the same had happened in downtown Copenhagen, the US would have done the same. I'm glad the governments of these 2 countries understand this and are helping us bring these vermin to justice.
to the fallen!
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1st: I am surely not a commie. In contrary I am member of the Christian-Democratic-Union-party of Germany and this party is surely not known for a left policy :D
2nd: A cure for the patient Israel/Palestine...
I think its easier to find a cure against pancreatic-cancer or HIV/AIDS/SIDA...
But surely it is not an efficient cure to ignore the undeniable terrorism of one side and just blame the terrorism of the others.
As paradox it may be - perhaps they will bring the solution of the problem with their own barbaric terrorism.
More and more press agencies now also show the terrorism of the Israelis like here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1867000/1867726.stm
And the UNO spokes today officialy about the creation of an independant Palestine nation.
These are maybe the steps in the correct direction.
3rd: Popcorn... I like the popcorn you have in the USA. When I was there last year I ordered a medium size in a cinema and I was shocked when they gave me a huge basket with enough popcorn to feed a town in the 3rd world. I just waited there to see what for a kind of container would be the "large size".
;)
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Originally posted by Udie at Work
ok are you back from throwing up that we agree? :D
you pinko commie! :D
...pass the popcorn Hang.
:D