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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on March 12, 2002, 10:49:07 AM
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Thought this was a good quote regarding this question.
"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this [Democratic] party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
John F. Kennedy, September 14, 1960
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here here.
That's a good message for BOTH sides.
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I'd like to quote my Father in law, who I might add, was a STAUNCH democrat until 1964..."I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party LEFT ME!"
hehe!
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So, your point is?
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Baaaa.... they're all Used Car Salesmen of the worst sort.
xBAT
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A Liberal is someone who wants to control your public life. A Conservative is someone who wants to control your private life.
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A liberal will sleep with anyone, a conservative will sleep with anyone but you! :D
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Your Liberal of September 14, 1960
is
Your Conservative of March 12, 2002
while
Your Liberal of March 12, 2002 would be considered a communist in 1960
different times - comparing apples and oranges
John F. Kennedy:
"The quality of American life must keep pace with the quantity of American goods. This country cannot afford to be materially rich and spiritually poor."
"Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality."
"It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough jobs or enough profits."
"...there is always inequity in life. Some men are killed in a war and some men are wounded, and some men never leave the country, and some men are stationed in the Antarctic and some men are stationed in San Francisco. It is very hard in the military or personal life to assure complete equality. Life is unfair."
"Our success will be measured by the answers to four questions: First, were we truly men of courage? Second, were we truly men of judgment? Third, were we truly men of integrity? Finally, were we truly men of dedication?"
"And so, my fellow Americans. . .ask not what your country can do for you. . .ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world. . .ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the Freedom of Man. "
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Eagler! Best post today!
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I was a democrat (http://www.raf303.org/mietla/Iwasademocrat.avi)
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Is that the same Kennedy whose father BOUGHT him the presidential nomination.
Who built the model, for betraying our allies. In the Bay of Pigs mess.
Whose sexual escapades in the White House, made clinton look like a monk.
Who began the escalation in Vietnam. And whose policies LBJ followed with disastrous results.
Whose dabbling in politics, nearly ended life as we know it. On this planet.
Ya. Id say that was a liberal.
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Originally posted by easymo
Is that the same Kennedy whose father BOUGHT him the presidential nomination.
Who built the model, for betraying our allies. In the Bay of Pigs mess.
Whose sexual escapades in the White House, made clinton look like a monk.
Who began the escalation in Vietnam. And whose policies LBJ followed with disastrous results.
Whose dabbling in politics, nearly ended life as we know it. On this planet.
Ya. Id say that was a liberal.
You forgot to mention HOW his father got the money to pay for his election, BOOTLEGGER! And not to mention that Joe was Pro-Hitler and anti-semantic.
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Originally posted by Eagler
"And so, my fellow Americans. . .ask not what your country can do for you. . .ask what you can do for your country."
Excellent paraphrase by Jack, ;) do you know who said it first? Quote follows.
"In the great fulfillment we must have a citizenship less concerned about what the government can do for it and more anxious about what it can do for the nation."
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Warren G. Harding (1865- 1923),
Republican National Convention, Chicago (June 7, 1916)
thx, I did not know it was not original, figures...
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Warren G. Harding
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Originally posted by Eagler
Your Liberal of September 14, 1960
is
Your Conservative of March 12, 2002
while
Your Liberal of March 12, 2002 would be considered a communist in 1960
different times - comparing apples and oranges
No argument with the fact that the democrats in 1960 were more socially conservative than they are today. In the context of all that has happened in the past 40 years regarding civil rights and the awakening of our moral obligation to accept minorities as equals, this is just obvious. Politically however I am still in agreement with the original post.
John F. Kennedy:
"The quality of American life must keep pace with the quantity of American goods. This country cannot afford to be materially rich and spiritually poor."
"We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world."
JFK 1-20-61
"Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality."
yep...see above
"It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough jobs or enough profits."
"If the economy of today were operating close to capacity levels with little unemployment, or if a sudden change in our military requirements should cause a scramble for men and resources, then I would oppose tax reductions as irresponsible and inflationary; and I would not hesitate to recommend a tax increase if that were necessary." Dec. 1962
"...there is always inequity in life. Some men are killed in a war and some men are wounded, and some men never leave the country, and some men are stationed in the Antarctic and some men are stationed in San Francisco. It is very hard in the military or personal life to assure complete equality. Life is unfair."
This famous quote was directed towards reservists in the military who wanted out.
How about this one:
"We can say with some assurance that, although children may be the victims of fate, they will not be the victims of our neglect." Oct. 1963
"Our success will be measured by the answers to four questions: First, were we truly men of courage? Second, were we truly men of judgment? Third, were we truly men of integrity? Finally, were we truly men of dedication?"
"Never before has man had such capacity to control his own destiny, to end thirst and hunger, to conquer poverty and disease, to banish illiteracy and massive human misery. We have the power to make this the best generation of mankind in the history of the world--or make it the last."
Address to the United Nations General Assembly, September 20, 1963
"And so, my fellow Americans. . .ask not what your country can do for you. . .ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world. . .ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the Freedom of Man. "
No comment...too impressive
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"I have a dream ... Ow! Thanks a lot, I have a head wound." - Sam Kinison.
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Someone adept at buying people's votes while using those people's own money?
;)
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Originally posted by Eagler
Your Liberal of September 14, 1960
is
Your Conservative of March 12, 2002
while
Your Liberal of March 12, 2002 would be considered a communist in 1960
different times - comparing apples and oranges
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man no kiddin.
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Amen to that MrFish and Eagler, and a big salute to Midnight. My Dad was a Democrat back in the 60s, and he voted for George Wallace for President. I might add, Wallace was one of the best politicians this country ever had. He was a master at avoiding the media traps set for him, and served Alabama as Governor for many years. His wife Lurleen also served, and was a fine Governor. I believe between the two of them, they were Alabama's governors for 16 years.
I believe Wallace would have been a good President if he had not been shot. I remember having a styrofoam hat with a Wallace sticker on it when I was a kid. Think that was in 1962.
Don't mean to diverse from the original post, but was just trying to illustrate and agree with Eagler's insight.
The terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" are poor choices as descriptions of political affiliations. This has caused an unnecessary rift between the two main parties, imo, and as labels often do, tends toward sterotypes. We need to dump these terms and come up with something better and more to the point. I'm satisfied with the terms "Republican" and "Democrat", because they more accurately describe political temperaments during any particular time in history. There's just no way to say "Liberal" or "Conservative" without putting someone on the defensive. There seems to be an accusatory tone to those terms, like there's something wrong with being either. Most people I know are a little of both.
Les