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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hajo on March 14, 2002, 12:24:06 AM
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Playing AH mindinao in the morning before 1.09 patch. Tower FPS 60 to 65 (no planes vis) Runway...no planes vis also 60 to 65
In the air over mindinao 70 to 80 FPS.
Now....in the tower 45, on the runway no craft vis 45 to 48 planes vis 36. In the air over mindinao 45 to 51
What gives?????? This is to big a frame rate hit!
System\
Athlon XP 1600
ASUSA7M266 Mobo
256 DDR pc2100 ram
VisionTek GeForce4 Ti 4600 with 128 DDR
Win98 SE OS
Diamond Monster MX300 sound card
F1 selected rendering
FSAA software controled
verticle sync on
1280X1024 32 bit
Dx version 8.1
Sony 19in. 420GS Monitor refresh rate running 91.1
FSAA is not turned off, nor was it turned off the last 3 days, but I have a decrease at times as much as 25FPS since the new patch without any changes on my part on settings
Also at MadOnion 3DMark 2000 PC comparisons, this PC is ranked #3 in published 3DMark2000 Benchmark scores. This with FSAA software controled and verticle Sync on.....if both were off probably the Benchmark Score would be higher still. This is why this FR drop puzzles me. Would appreciate any input! Decreasing the resolution or color should not be an option or an answer to the problem. Small FPS drop would be expected, but one this large should not be.
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i had it too...drop your resolution a bit. i did it and it went back to normal...and it looks the same as the res i had it on before 1.09.
bug maybe?
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PimpJoe
Thanks for reply......but dropping the resolution is counter productive in my case. With the system I have in no way should I have a frame rate drop of this magnitude. I should be running very very well with the above mentioned system and settings. I built this system with AH in mind,and didn't skimp anywhere, and I have the latest and best graphics card on the market with 128DDR of its' own. I previously was running a GeForce3 Ti200 and after installing the GeForce4 I improved my FPS on avg. of 12 to 15. But dropping as much as 15 to 25FPS with this new version is unrealistic, and should not happen at that magnitude. I might be able to see a 5 to 8FPS drop......but 15 to 25FPS drop is wayyyyyyyyyyy to much in my humble opinion, and as I stated I didn't change a thing. Just dloaded and installed new version.
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I typically see 9 to 20... fps max., before 1.09
Thats all my old P-2 350 will crank out.
Quit yer whinin!
eskimo
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Ah....
Sorry, but all above 24 frames is fluid for the human eye... anything over 30 and you will notice no differnce (Exept in frame counter :D )
I do not understand why some poeple upgrade for 500 US$ to get from 50 to 100 frames...its worthless :D
JV44
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The 'Myth" that one can't notice over 30fps is just that a myth. Skurj replied in BUG reports that one can notice FPS over 30 unless motion blur is added. The reason I noticed is that my eyes got strained or tired faster, that's why I checked my FR in the first place or I never would have!
Thanks for replies
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I too took a big FPS hit.
Intel PIII 733EB CPU (133 FSB x 5.5 stepping)
ABIT BE6 2.0 MOBO
512 meg of 133mhz RAM
ASUS AGP-V7700 GeForce2 GTS Deluxe 32meg videocard
19" .26mm dot pitch non-interlaced EV900 monitor
CreativeLabs SB PCI128 soundcard
Microsoft Natural Keyboard
Logitech optical Mouse
Saitek X-36 USB joystick
USB CH Pro rudder pedals
25x CDR-W
50x CD/DVD drive
10gig hard drive connected thru Ultra ATA/33 IDE
Video driver: ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v6.31c
AGP in Default mode (x2)
AGP appeture set to 256
Video BIOS cache OFF
Video RAM cache ON
Sideband ON
Vsync AUTO
1024
32bit
bitmap enabled
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Haven't noticed any drop here. Running a 1.4ghz Athlon with GF3 and 512mb RAM. I run at 1600x1200 32 bit and I get a steady 75fps in the air (limited by refresh rate). It drops a bit in smoke over a busy field, but never below 30.
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As a reference, I lost 5 fps in the tower (1280x1024x32bpp), from 61 to 56 fps.
K7 700Mhz
384MB PC133
GF3 Ti500
AGPx4 ApSz 256MB
W98 + DX8.1
FSAA automatic (OFF for AH)
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I notice about a 10 percent loss.
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I have also taken a big hit on frame rates since the 1.09 upgrade. ALL my squadies have made the same observation, even those with higher-end computers.
I was averaging about 40-50 fps. I'd occassionally see FR of 60. FPS dropped when I'd engage, to high 20's - mid 30's.
Since the upgrade, I'm averaging high 20's to mid 30's fps just flying from place to place. I rarely see 40 fps, and have yet to see 45 again, much less 60. FPS usually drop to 20 or below in a furball now. I can barely score a hit anymore, as picture actually seems to blur, and planes leap from one postion to the next, versus making a smooth transition.
I have a 32 MB GeForce 2 pro video card. I'm going to have to get a new video card to continue playing. GeForce 3 ti200 runs about $150 or so on some web sights, plus tax, shipping, and handling.
To sum up: the upgrade is too much for my computer to handle and it is going to cost me a chunk of money to continue to play. I do not believe that I am the only one in this position.
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Originally posted by Smaug
I have also taken a big hit on frame rates since the 1.09 upgrade. ALL my squadies have made the same observation, even those with higher-end computers.
I was averaging about 40-50 fps. I'd occassionally see FR of 60. FPS dropped when I'd engage, to high 20's - mid 30's.
Since the upgrade, I'm averaging high 20's to mid 30's fps just flying from place to place. I rarely see 40 fps, and have yet to see 45 again, much less 60. FPS usually drop to 20 or below in a furball now. I can barely score a hit anymore, as picture actually seems to blur, and planes leap from one postion to the next, versus making a smooth transition.
I have a 32 MB GeForce 2 pro video card. I'm going to have to get a new video card to continue playing. GeForce 3 ti200 runs about $150 or so on some web sights, plus tax, shipping, and handling.
To sum up: the upgrade is too much for my computer to handle and it is going to cost me a chunk of money to continue to play. I do not believe that I am the only one in this position.
if you have the money get the ti500, better than the ti200, the ti200 was designed as a value edition of the geforce 3. If you are the type that knows what you are doing though, you can overclock the ti200 to make it as good as a ti500
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FRs dropped from 50-70 to 20-40 with 109, so count me among the discontent.
I wonder what's causing it? Integration of ah voice? The blinking base markers and base under attack warnings? Were additional strat mods made? I'm just curious. There's lot in 109, but nothing that would seem to cause such a big hit.
I definitely do notice a difference in gameplay, particularly when trying to draw a bead up close.
I'm I'm poor, cheap and stubborn. I hate upgrading, but if something doesn't change, looks like it's time for a new vid card or something.
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frame rates down hear too:mad: normal 40-45 now 10 -20
get it sorted please:)
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I honestly picked up about 10fps :D Lucky me!
Nim
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Accck! I hate people like that;)
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Well, count me in as one that lost frame rate. Used to run at 70-75 fps, but now it is down to 40-45!! Get more than 5-6 aircraft in the picture and it is so bad, I can't engage enemy without losing them to stuttering and warpiness.
Also, to those that say anything over 30 fps is a waste...it is not! You don't see it, that is true, but what that higher frame rate means is a larger margin for frame rate drop as the skies get crowded (the more objects in the scene, the lower your frame rate drops). So yes, the more fps, the better. If you start at 30 fps, as soon as you enter a furball, you are hitting teens or less in your fps....not good. with 75+ fps, it takes a lot of planes in the sky to crank it below 30.
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I hate to say it, but if your playing with anything under a GeForce 3 and under 1000MHz CPU, your frame rate will not be the best.
Your best bang for the buck in frame rate is your video card (GPU upgrade). CPU's can add crunching power, but they don't draw the graphics any quicker. :(
I'm using a GeForce 2 Pro, Athlon 1GHz, and 512 PC133 Micron SDRAM. When it gets buzy at an airfield (lotsa smoke, planes, and explosions) my frame rates hit 10-20fps.
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Originally posted by aknimitz
I honestly picked up about 10fps :D Lucky me!
Nim
I picked up a 15-20% better frame rate. Had to reformat both the AH partition as well as my Win98 boot boot partition. I wonder how old the OS load is on some of these peoples machines that are having problems...and how many times they changed Vid drivers w/o completely cleaning out the old one.
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Originally posted by Lars
I picked up a 15-20% better frame rate. Had to reformat both the AH partition as well as my Win98 boot boot partition. I wonder how old the OS load is on some of these peoples machines that are having problems...and how many times they changed Vid drivers w/o completely cleaning out the old one.
Mine is a month old load of Win XP with clean drivers. Athlon 1900+/MSI Pro 2 MB/512DDR/Radeon 8500.
Leph and some others have been putting forth solutions that they say are helping some guys. Seems to me that they're just getting these guys an extra 10-20 FPS that they shoulda already had.
My system is running at it's absolute top (un-overclocked) speed. Everything's tweaked. There's no more speed to be found hidden in driver updates or video settings. My 3D Mark 2000 & 2001 scores are right at the records for my CPU/Vid card combo.
In the 5 minutes it took me to download and install 1.09 I lost an average of around 25 FPS.
It doesn't kill me, because it's still playable due to the fact that my FPS were pretty outstanding to start with. But I'm never pleased with going backwards.
D
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Well jeez, my box must have just plain sucked for me to get almost a 20% boost in frame rates after the OS reload. Now I wish I didn't have to do the reload so I could see what all the squeaking is really about.
Time for that new RDRAM box I guess, hell, I just can't fly at 70fps anymore with this old PIII 800 and Gf3 Ti200 :eek:
Actually, I do empathize with those that are having problems, nothing worse than having fun one day and the next to be barely able to play the game, but I've never been the one to sit and squeak w/o doing everything I can do to make my box work for AH.
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It doesn't kill me, because it's still playable due to the fact that my FPS were pretty outstanding to start with. But I'm never pleased with going backwards.
I'm not sure if I follow. I understand displeasure in the face of fewer fps but, all optimizations aside, as time goes on and they keep stuffing more things into the game, wouldn't it make sense that your system will be less able to handle the load, not the other way around?
My "completely baseless and without any actual knowledge of how things work" guess is that the hit people are taking is primarily from the Voice integration. I would put money on a related optimization patch coming out, but again, just a guess :)
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System\
Athlon XP 1.5 (1800+)
Gigabit motherboard
256 corsair pc2100 ram
MSI GeForce3 Ti 200 with 64 DDR
WinXP
C-Media sound card I pulled out of some garbagecan
1076X768 32 bit
Dx version 8.1
hp 21in.
23.11 det drivers.
100fps before 100fps after (no matter where I am looking, up-down-tower-at the six of a meaty 109e).
If in fact it is the ahvoice, I would be darn sure your sound drivers are 'really' the ones for your card. I remember when I first started playing, I would warp and get really bad frame rates all the time. Know how I figured it out? Flak. Everytime I would hear the flak explosion I would warp and my frame rates would fall through the floor. They may have made some small sound change that took advantage of things in d8 or who knows that was very sensitive to bad sound card drivers.
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I am running a palomino 1600, 512 mb PC2100, win2K, and an original geforce 3, and I havent lost anything. I stay right at 75 FPS limited by my refresh rate. In a congested area, I get in the 40's (smoky field, vulchfest:), big furball).
Hajo you got more vid card, I got more memory. I am not using a PCI sound card, and i do not run anything in the background, other than MB monitor and occasionally RW. I would think that we would get similar FR's.
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at work:
AMD Athlon 1.1GHz 133MHz FSB
Gigabyte GA-7ZX rev 5.1
512MB sdram PC133
ac97 on board audio
Stb4400 - tnt 2 pro
3Com 905B NIC connected to T1
Maxtor 40GB 7200rpm drive ATA-133
WinXP Pro.
1024x768 - 32 bit res
Normal fight 10 to 15 planes - average 40fps
intense fight 30+ - average - 20fps can be 10's in smoke
At home:
AMD Athlon 1.2GHz 266MHz FSB
FIC AD11
256MB DDR 2100
ac97 on board audio
TI200
3Com 905B NIC (connected to an ADSL connection)
Maxtor 30GB 7200rpm drive ATA-133
WinXP Pro.
1024x768 - 32 bit res
Normal fight 10 to 15 planes - average 75fps (refresh rate)
intense fight 30+ - average - 40-45fps can be 20's in smoke
with 1.09
frame rates are up about 2 fps at work on TNT2
frames are unchanged at home
have been unaffected by AHV
but would like to see an option to disable