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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Maverick on March 15, 2002, 12:18:47 PM
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I an rather surprised to see no posts about this. The jury obviously didn't buy any of the insanity defense with only 4 hours to reach a verdict.
What do ya think should happen now?? The trial is in the sentencing phase and the death penalty IS a possibliity.
Final note here is that she wasn't tried on all 5 deaths, only 2 of them. I guess the prosecution was holding 3 back for the future???? Can't understand that tactic as this was a single mass murder without a significant spread of time or distance between them.
FWIW, I see no reason this woman should ever see the light of day or even be breathing.
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I don't believe she is going to be sentanced to death. She was mentally ill and under the care of a Psychiatrist. Her husband also knew of the issues and still felt it apropriate to leave her alone with the children. I'd much rather see the husband brought up on negligence charges and the Psychiatrist (psychologist?) brought up on malpractice charges than to agressively press for the death penalty on the wife.
The reason for only prosecuting 3 of the murders is in case there is a problem that results in an aquital. Since you can only be tried for the same crime once... it would be impossible to re-try the case if she was found "not guilty". Thusly, they broke it into two cases. If they fail on the first, they will get it together and try again on the second.
The reason this all sounds a little contrived is because you might be used to watching the complete ineptness that was the OJ trial. Seems these D.A.s are being just a tad bit more careful.
AKDejaVu
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she was tried for 3 of the deaths so that they could charge capital murder, and if she got off, they could try her for the other two. Which is what they should have done in the OJ case. They can do it like that to get around the double jeapardy law.
Both the prosecution and defense said this chick was crazy, but in Texas, crazy or not, you have to prove that you didn't know right from wrong, and she did.
I have been following this case close, and I think she should get death, and I also think her husband deserves jail time.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
... the Psychiatrist (psychologist?) brought up on malpractice charges .......
I would have agreed with that before I really looked into the case... It turns out that she was on the proper medication, but she and her husband decided she should stop taking the medication so that she could get pregnant again. That's another reason why the husband should face jail time.
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so that she could get pregnant again
That's a pretty frightening thought.
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Holy smokes R U serious NATE? I missed that (about forgoing medication to get pregnant). SHEEHS!??!
Nim
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She will live a far worse life by dying in prison with those kids on her conscience, (and inmates reminding her daily of it) than she would by putting her to death. I a stong supporter of the death penalty, but this is one of those cases that you want the person to dying slowly, painfully, via her mind.
One of the purposes of the Death penalty is to ensure that the person in question is no longer a threat to society...I don't believe she is a threat to society, she was just a threat to her kids.
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
I would have agreed with that before I really looked into the case... It turns out that she was on the proper medication, but she and her husband decided she should stop taking the medication so that she could get pregnant again. That's another reason why the husband should face jail time.
I hadn't heard that either Nate. Damn...
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i don't get all the fuss about sparing her because she was insane. is there a softer nation anywhere? even france?
if she can't function, then get her the f--- out of society. who cares why she did it: she did it, period....she just lost life's lottery and got stuck with some bad genes - that's her tough luck, not society's.
we don't have the time or money to keep these people shelved.
we don't need to spend the next 50 years nursing and trying to understand some psycho. 5 sec with a firing squad and let's get on with our lives, why all the showbusiness and drama?
i keep hearing all these people testify that she was a great mother....no, she killed her kids, she wasn't a great mother. what does it take to be a bad mother?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
She will live a far worse life by dying in prison with those kids on her conscience, (and inmates reminding her daily of it) than she would by putting her to death. I a stong supporter of the death penalty, but this is one of those cases that you want the person to dying slowly, painfully, via her mind.
One of the purposes of the Death penalty is to ensure that the person in question is no longer a threat to society...I don't believe she is a threat to society, she was just a threat to her kids.
I agree 100%
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is anyone who kills someone not nuts to some degree ...
never understood the insanity plea ...
LIFE! our tax dollars well spent :rolleyes:
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Well.... personaly I feel the whole death penality thing is just feel good politics. It doesnt really deture anybody from killing...it just gives the masses the feeling that SOMETHING has been done to protect them. It would work if they executed every murder out there... that WOULD be a deterant.
xBAT
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
She will live a far worse life by dying in prison with those kids on her conscience, (and inmates reminding her daily of it) than she would by putting her to death. I a stong supporter of the death penalty, but this is one of those cases that you want the person to dying slowly, painfully, via her mind.
One of the purposes of the Death penalty is to ensure that the person in question is no longer a threat to society...I don't believe she is a threat to society, she was just a threat to her kids.
The jury agreed with you Rip...She got life, with possible parole in 40 years.
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I think the death penalty would be more efective if it didn't take 10-20 years after convition to finally fry em.
One thing I never understood was why give someone life in prison? If the purpose of prisons is to rehabilitate why go thru the trouble for lifers?
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Originally posted by Mighty1
I think the death penalty would be more efective if it didn't take 10-20 years after convition to finally fry em.
One thing I never understood was why give someone life in prison? If the purpose of prisons is to rehabilitate why go thru the trouble for lifers?
so they can tie up our legal system with appeals - oh yeah and pay their lawyers with our taxes..
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She got life!
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Yes, she got life with the possibility for parole, and her lawyers are filing an appeal as we speak.
This is just nuts. Yet another shining example of how flawed out legal system is. You may not mind supporting murderers,..but I have a very serious problem with my money being used to feed/cloth/house a person that murdered 5 children.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
... but this is one of those cases that you want the person to dying slowly, painfully, via her mind.
Ahh... Isn't there some form of Constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment? Oh yeah... there is that one little thing... maybe you've heard of the 8th Amendment...
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you guys seriously think the father should be charged?
the guy goes off to work one day. before the days out his kids are dead and his wife is the killer.
is there any punishment available that could possably make this guys life worse than it became from that moment forward.
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Her husband tried to have her institutionalized but failed. He's not at fault.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
She will live a far worse life by dying in prison with those kids on her conscience, (and inmates reminding her daily of it) than she would by putting her to death. I a stong supporter of the death penalty, but this is one of those cases that you want the person to dying slowly, painfully, via her mind.
One of the purposes of the Death penalty is to ensure that the person in question is no longer a threat to society...I don't believe she is a threat to society, she was just a threat to her kids.
Ever since I started watching this case, my initial reaction has been the squeak be executed and the case closed. I just read on CNN that she's going to solitary confinement indefinatley. I checked up on solitary confinement... 23 hours a day with food slid in under the door. ONE hour to "recreate". I'd never thought of that before, it's scary, definately worse than death IMO. 40yrs of that would be perfect, unfortunately I'm sure it won't be all that long before her "administrative status" is changed and she's allowed to work her way into something far less horrible than solitary. I'll also wager her appeals work well for her. I hope not but I've got that funny feeling.
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The best way to spend as little money on criminals as possible is to have conditions that create as few as them as possible.
How to get there, that's a good question.
Personally, I think she should be locked up forever. She's clearly mentally ill. I'm inclined to punish those who aren't, yet committ horrific crimes, harder.
The difference, to me, is between fighting inner demons and losing, nor not knowing how to fight them, and just cold bloodedly deciding to murder another human in the worst way imaginatively, with little or no remorse.
YMMV. Just my opinion.
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they should have stoned her to death in the village square.
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Damn life in prison whoopee BS!!
They should make her and her family pay for the cost of keeping her alive, and give the family the option at anytime of choosing not to pay at which time, the family has to pay for the execution and disposal of the body...
Keeping her in a mental institution is CRRRAP too, why should the taxpayer pay to heal her? When IMO the taxpayer would NEVER want to see her released.
SKurj
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Her husband tried to have her institutionalized but failed. He's not at fault.
He didn't try hard enough
Did you hear him at the press conference after the sentencing saying she'd of killed them some other way, "poison the cereal". Sounds like he knew she was whacked and he still left them with her. He doesn't look like he's playing with a full deck either ... BUT the prosecutor doesn't want to look like the "bad" guy so this is where it'll end ... five dead innocents, one crazy sucking off the system and another 3/4 crazy wandering around Texas..