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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: StSanta on March 16, 2002, 04:12:04 AM
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Seeing that we got a good bit of conservative people here, as well as a few liberals, I thought it would be a good idea to ask where yer position on this topic is.
DK legalized it as one of the first countries in the world. Initially, our products were sought after.
Then the US came into the hoop, and are now the biggest producer in the world.
Iss porn something evil that gives young men (primarily) and kids wrong ideas about sex and corrupts their minds - i.e damaging to a persons' health?
Or is it just another form of entertainment, in place to meet another side of the human biological urge, just like sports, action films, drama and so forth?
I should add that what I'm talking about is mainstream pr0n. You'll find disgusting examples in pr0n, just as you'll find disgusting examples in other fields.
This is gonna be fun.
Am in the process of buying http://www.SantaSex.dk. JUst need to pay 'um. That'll also be fun. You could say that I am doing market research :D :D
And Ripsnort: yes, I will put up that film with you, SOB, Fatty and his mom. Think I'll edit out the part with the pig though.
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mmmmhhhh....
Lets assume Porn corrupt minds.... so if it would be evil because it do.....
....than Religion is also evil because its allso corrupt minds....
... My personal opinion is there was never a war because Porn, but 100th of war for religion....
....so my conclusion is Religion is more evil than Porn :D
JV44
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JV44 misses the point....
Pr0n *is* a religion.
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It's only considered porn if it is in color.
If it is in black & white it gets put out on a museum and called art.
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Santa, you revisionist pig! Denmark invented porn? We all know porn is as American as apple pie!
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I've allways wondered why so many find the depiction of adult sex acts immoral but not real sex . How can you decry the photograpic or video record of sex, but not sex ? America has a minority that tries to project their pesonal shame, or irrational hangups on the rest of the country in the name of morality .
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if you buy a women dinner and drinks and have sex , it's called a date
if you just give her the money and have sex , it's called a crime
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if like you said, you're exluding the extremely perverted side of it (btw isn't the deffinition of perverted -anyone who likes it kinkier than you?) then i doubt it does any harm. as long as a person doesn't use it as a replacement to actual relationships.
hell it's probably a healthy way for young adults to get some info before they start.
all that being said if any of my kids ended up in that industry then someone would likely die.
ps
kinky is using a feather as a sex toy. perverted uses the whole chicken
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John what I find funny is that a woman can stand on a corner and give it away for free, but once she puts a price on it she breaking the law .
Maybe they created these anti postitution laws in hopes that the potatos would start giving it away free.
Prostitution laws are dumb, and thats why it is impossible to police . Hopefully american society will progress to the point when we have laws that protect prostitutes from abuses, pimps and drug slavery like the rest of the civilized world .
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When people teach their kids that porn is dirty and exploitive, kids see it as dirty and exploitive, and sex as dirty. I don't think those are thoughts that should be associated with sex. People are too uptight, and their being uptight feeds a lot of the actual bad and exploitive parts of porn. If people would stop treating sex as something inherently 'bad', and as a result weren't so whoopeeed uptight about discussing it, a lot of the problems that are related to sex - disease, shame, exploitation, unwanted pregnancy - would be greatly reduced. The problem is, a lot of people think that if they don't treat sex as dirty, and if they have open dialogs about sex, that their kids will run out and have more of it and be dirty, heathen sinners and go to hell.
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I am unable to make a comment as Jenga is visiting for the weekend......
;) Tell ya what I think on monday.
(http://www.swoop.com/images/logo_small.jpg)
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SOB, Creamo, Animal....... Care to comment?
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By "porn" I'm assuming you mean xxx-rated adult videos and magazines. Not to split hairs here, but standards of what is pornographic are set by each community and thus subject to municipal control, so what is considered pornographic in Little Rock, Arkansas, might be considered erotic art in New York City.
Porn is demeaning to and objectifies women. Period. Kratzer, porn IS exploitave, and some porn can get downright dirty, too. I would never have porn in my house because I have a 16 year old daughter, and I hope the parents of the boys she dates feel the same way I do. Kratzer, I hope my daughter never dates your son if you feel like porn depicts normal relationships between two (or more) partners and you keep videos around for his viewing pleasure.
In spite of my personal feelings about porn I would be opposed to a world-wide ban on it because we all should be allowed to make our own choices, good or bad. I view porn in the same light I view drug or alcohol abuse- Not one good, productive thing has ever come from them, but if you want to view it, shoot it, drink it or snort it then knock yourself out.
Now I have a question for all of you who feel porn is harmless- How do you feel about condom distribution in public schools? Kratzer mentions STDs and unwanted pregnacies are a problem among our society, so why not distribute condoms in schools? I would be for that before I'd be in favor of distributing copies of "Debbie Does Dallas" to the kid who's dating my daughter.
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overall it is bad - too long to go into
but if it wasn't for porn, the Internet and the WWW would not have been born :)
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No, its not bad....I kill kittens daily :p :) :cool:
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I don't think we can accurately discuss this unless you provide visual examples of just what artistic sub-genre of the pornographic underground you're talking about.
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Elfenwolf you trollmeister )
"We will never have true equality untill gays can smoke crack and engage in sexual intercourse on passenger planes just like heterosexual couples do." -Elfenwolf
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I also agree with Elfenwolf. Daughters should be distributed at public schools.
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The male libido objectifies women, porno just puts what we're all thinking on paper and video . BTW romance novels are porno for chicks. Oh and teenagers should have to buy there own damn condoms just like we had to . Roughly nine out of ten ninjas think this song rocks in case you haven't heard .
HEY MISTER
By: Custom
Hey mister I really like your daughter
I'd like to eat her like ice cream,
Maybe dip her in chocolate
Hey mister on your way to work,
In your Volvo, suit and tie
We'll be crawling in your bed sir,
Messing around, maybe getting hot.
Its not what you did, its not what you didn't
God gave her the perfect body now I'm all up in it
Its not she's a tramp, its not she's not pure
she just likes getting her diddly on and its a good one of that I'm sure
Hey mister I really like your daughter
when I'm horny like thirsty she's a bottle of water
hey mister, how'd it get so bad
you raised her so well now she's calling me dad
in the back seat naked of her new Volkswagon
the perfect little gift for high school graduation
Its not what you did, its not what you didn't
God gave her the perfect body now I'm all up in it
Its not she's a tramp, its not she's not pure
she just likes getting her diddly on and its a good one of that I'm sure
(Rap Part)
I eat all the food in your fridge
Call my friends around the world
Rack up your long distance too
Breakstands neutral drops
Wreck all your cars
Drink all the booze in your cheezy bellybutton wet bar
Order stuff on your credit cards
Leave boogers in the skippy jar
Smoke your cigars
Answer the phone tell your boss you moved to mars
When you call in late from work tell your wife
You're at the titty bars
Its not she's a tramp, its not she's not pure
she just likes getting her diddly on and its a good one of that I'm sure
I hope I never have a daughter
I hope I never have a daughter
I hope I never have a daughter
I hope I never have a daughter
Na na na na na...
na na na na na
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Hand out as many condoms as you want in school - I'm all for it. Anyone who thinks kids won't have sex has their head stuck in the sand - giving them the easy ability to protect themselves won't cause them to have sex or not have sex - but if they do, it'll give them the opportunity to do so more safely.
Elfenwolf, as always, you have decided that my post says something it does not and have both missed my point, and illustrated it better than I ever could have done.
Thanks.
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Condoms have been distributed here as long as I can remember.
I dont know how expensive condoms are in States but here their price can also be a reason for a lot humping teenager to not use them.
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"Porn is demeaning to and objectifies women."
So if there's no women in it, it's not porn?
That explains the local newsagents shelves a bit....
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Originally posted by Kratzer
Elfenwolf, as always, you have decided that my post says something it does not and have both missed my point, and illustrated it better than I ever could have done.
Thanks.
Kratzer, what point did I make for you? You stated porn isn't "exploitive"- I disagree. Porn is exploitive and demeaning to women, objectifies them and dehumanizes them. Not just the women in the porn industry, but ALL women. Hey, this is only my opinion, but how does disagreeing with you illustrate YOUR point? Maybe you could clarify exactly what your stance is for me as I apparently am too stupid to keep up.
You're welcome.
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Originally posted by Seeker
"Porn is demeaning to and objectifies women."
So if there's no women in it, it's not porn?
That explains the local newsagents shelves a bit....
Hmmm...Seeker, the kind of porn YOU like objectifies sheep:)
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Samm, I could have gone another 5 years without seeing those lyrics.
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Hmmm,..without a firm defination of what porn is, these discussions are pretty moot. Are we talking about sex acts in videos/magazines, or naked bodies in pictures?
It is all a matter of perspective. Pictures/videos do nothing unless you want them to. You want to believe they objectify, that is your choice, you think it harmless, that is your choice. It is all in how you view it.
Nothing more, nothing less.
We are a very weird society.
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Amen Skuzzy.
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Only some use objects.
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Wow... I actually disagree with EW. :)
I'm sure I'll have more on this... :)
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uhh......im only 15 but since they have some stuff in schools for the kids to learn what goes on....i wouldnt call that porn
but for entertainment i would call it porn..
uhherrr..... make sence?:D
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tards.....
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Q: Why is she holding up a black bar??
A: Because she can.
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Porn is important to the economy of Los Angeles.
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Carefull baby she's a fembot !
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Mason, please post the uncensored version in the squad folder so I can come up with an informed opinion regarding porn.
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Originally posted by JoeDirt
uhh......im only 15 but since they have some stuff in schools for the kids to learn what goes on....i wouldnt call that porn
but for entertainment i would call it porn..
uhherrr..... make sence?:D
That "stuff" is called girls, Joe.....
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LOL!
no no sex education(sp?).
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porn's only considered immoral because of religion. if we weren't conditioned into having so many sexual hangups from birth on then it wouldn't seem immoral.
norms are lwyas programable by society - we settled on some judeo-christian model ages ago and havent made much progress since...
society is more exploitive to women than porn - it says "don't sleep around - if you do you're a dirty slut"
if it wasn't taboo then how would pictures of women sleeping around be exploitive?
or are you saying it is because it usually puts them in some submissive pose or something? that porn is designed for men - women porn embodies their fantasies i imagine.
besides women get bored if not dominated a little anyway - they never fantasize about some limp noodled whiney woody allen type that wants to be friends
after-all it's always a pirate or a construction worker or some dude with a big tool that knows howta' lay pipe.
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Originally posted by Samm
HEY MISTER
By: Custom
Hey mister I really like your daughter
I'd like to eat her like ice cream,
Maybe dip her in chocolate
...
Downloaded the MP3... it's not bad. Not great...
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man this country is soooo uptight sexually.
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Just now figuring that out?
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Originally posted by mrfish
after-all it's always a pirate or a construction worker or some dude with a big tool that knows howta' lay pipe.
ROFL, that's a good one. ARRR, matey.
This country is pretty close-minded as a whole and that's most of our problem is. Prostitution should be legal, as should marijuana. You can't stop either one, better to regulate them, make them safer, and earn some revenue.
Oh yeah, pr0n is good, mmmkay?
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Porn is bad, not because of religion though. Go talk to any marriage and family therapist about what porn is doing to families. That's not a god issue, it's a family issue. Some men believe that if they keep the snake in it's cage, then why not indulge the mind a bit? Nothing wrong, until you can't have an awesome sex life with your wife because you can't get those images out of your head. It's poison, and it will haunt a good marriage. Keep the fire in the fireplace, and you won't get burned.
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porn is great. do not resist the lure of good porn or you are denying yourself a simple and harmless pleasure. and i dont necessarily mean pleasuring yourself :). porn never started a war or made someone a paedophile. if you believe the propaganda about adult entertainment you'll believe video games cause all violence around the US.
I dont think we're as uptight here because religion isn't the big issue in Australia as it is in the US. i dont ever think i've met a man in Aust who dislikes porn.
we've tried making prostitution legal(maybe when a few more of the older senators shuffle off) and we have decriminalised marijuana. all we need now is widely distributed adult material :). thank god for the internet.
vote 1 for Pornography
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Originally posted by Greese
Nothing wrong, until you can't have an awesome sex life with your wife because you can't get those images out of your head. It's poison, and it will haunt a good marriage.
only if your wife 'ain't got the skills'.
sounds like an uptight/unattractive wife problem more than the fault of porn.
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Greese rents 'Chicks with Dicks', and next thing he knows, $200/hour marriage therapy sessions?
Poison indeed.
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You ARE kidding right?
My wife loves porn! Hell she encourages me to download VCDs of alt.binaries.erotica.vcd even. Out of our married friends at least 90% of the openly admit to watching and enjoying porn (both males and females).
My wife started lending out my porn VCDs out to her female friends LOL.
Originally posted by Greese
Porn is bad, not because of religion though. Go talk to any marriage and family therapist about what porn is doing to families. That's not a god issue, it's a family issue. Some men believe that if they keep the snake in it's cage, then why not indulge the mind a bit? Nothing wrong, until you can't have an awesome sex life with your wife because you can't get those images out of your head. It's poison, and it will haunt a good marriage. Keep the fire in the fireplace, and you won't get burned.
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Vulcan is god. :D
My gf doesnt MIND me watching it and has joined me on occasions but in general she doesnt understand the attraction :).
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Hm, very interesting replies here - and quite surprising, in some cases.
I should have made a clear definition of porn - I'm not talking Playboy images, but rather photos and films of humans engaging in sexual activity with each other. This narrows it down a bit.
Studies have shown that repeated exposure to porn results in porn losing some of its enticing effect - that's what the objective studies I've seenhave come out with. There are oothers out there too. Some, paid for by feminist groups, claim it degrades women and encourages sexism and rape, whereas others, paid for by porn advocates, state the exact opposite.
There is rampant sexism and inequality in porn. Females make more than twice as much as males. Except for tennis and some other professions, this isn't seen in many places.
An American acquaintance I have say the women actually doing the porn - the normal stuff - don't see it as degrading. They see it as a good job where they can earn a lot of money in a very short time span, which they then can use for whatever they want. The problem for them he claims is not that they find it degrading, but that other groups do and those groups apply pressure on the rest of society and that the pressure is coming from this idea that porn is seedy and evil. This is second hand knowledge though so I won't trust it too far (just as I won't trust second hand knowledge from the feminists I know).
Doesn't seem evil or wicked to me.
It's amusing how you can turn things around - in an argument with one of the feminists who argued that it was degrading to women and really using them, I asked if one could not see it the other way around. Smart women (and men) taking advantage of a biological urge that men are more 'allowed' to indulge in than woman in society in genereal. Essentially, women ripping men from money just because they have a sex drive. She said it was far out and reaching and it is, just as her argument that it's degrading to women is. It all depends on the situation and the woman at hand, I'd say.
If I had to choose between earning $750 an hour as a porn actor and flipping burgers for $7 an hour, I'd have to ask myself which is more demeaning and abusive. Just social constructs coming at play, I guess.
Will see if I can find some more independent studies, with some more meat on the bones.
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Hmmm...
A registered nurse with a degree in microbiology.
(http://search.excaliburfilms.com/pornlist/starpics102/Sadie_Jordan.jpg)
Ms. Patrick is obviously being exploited. :rolleyes:
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I'm with Greese. Been there done that. Porn will stick in your mind, did mine anyway. You can find yourself staring at every good looking woman that walks by, thinkin of here nekkid. Can cause marriage probs too. My wife doesn't dig porn and I like that. Sure, I laid around with potatos when I was single and watched that stuff just to see the girls reaction, did all that nasty crap. But couldn't imagine the woman raising my kids "digging" porn. My views on porn have changed since I got married.
Any of you guys with daughters mind posting some pics here of your daughter with a big dildo shoved up her avacado? I wanna look. Mind if I jerk off while looking at her? How big are her tits? Don't be closed minded.
Every HO you see in a dirty pic is some poor jokers daughter. If my daughter did that it'd break my heart. But hey, that's just me. Judging from some of the responses above, some of you would prolly be ok with it.
Now don't get all bent outa shape and 'splode on me like in the dope smoking threads. I gotta right to my viewpoint too don't I?
:)
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Hblair,
Porn can be addictive to some people - same as drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, bullying, etc. Some people have suceptible minds/physiologies - witness the whole native populations affected by newly-introduced alcohol. The level of hormones changes with age - it is the greatest in humans while the judgement is not yet sufficiently developed in teenage years.
Still, the fact that some people can be affected it is not the reason to prevent mentally-stable healthy persons from accessing something.
My wife and I watched porn together a few times. She even suggested it a couple of times. I do not think it matters in the least to her ability to be a good mother to my children.
As for posting our daughters picks, that would be exploitation and probably illegal. The daughters themselves once they reach the age of concent can post any pictures of themselves that they like - and there would be nothing we could or should do about it!
I admit that the idea of my daughter posting her naked picks does not attract me much even though by far it's not the worst thing that I can imagine. So I would use my influence during her upbringing to affect her presonality in a way that suits me.
Whenever I see a dirty pick of a woman, the last thing I think about is her father. If I do see an underage girl, I would think not only of her father but also of police - because that woudl be a crime under our laws.
Pictures and movies are media. How about the real thing? I visited the nudie bar a few times and even had a chance to talk to a "hostess" just for buying her a $17 ginger-ale.
She was a smart beautifull young woman making some money on the side while studying at a law school. I know that is often the case with such girls and even the prostitutes. There are plenty of retail and other jobs available in NYC and a person so smart, beautifull and charismatic would not have the slightest problem getting one for a decent salary. It was clearly their choice to be working where they did. I would not feel right in limiting their choices or mine for that matter.
At the same time I clearly understand how you feel. My heart woudl be broken too. But the answer is in you as a parent taking responcibility for your kids - not expecting a society to do it for you. It would never make a good job. I bet germans in 1938 were happy about the way society was handling their children upbringing. In a few years their sons ended up dead and their daughters raped.
miko
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I'm a bit surprised to see this much anti porn people here. Do you think that porn should be made illegal?:rolleyes:
I cant remember seeing anyone who is against porn yet video porn was made legal in Finland only a year ago. Of course that law wasn't obeyed by anyone and porn was distributed openly like everywhere else.