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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mietla on March 16, 2002, 06:32:04 PM
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the whole story (http://www.bayarea.net/~amazur/andy/models/zero)
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shweet!:eek:
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nice one.
i put off doing a 1-48 bf109k4 because i wanted to do a nice job - when i finally did it i still botched it about 25 places :)
i love those tamiya paints too they cover nicely in one stroke. they take a lot of stirring though.
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Beautiful!
I wish i had the patience to do something like that!!
Nice work
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thanks, this is the second model I've built myself. I did make a number of mistakes and I'm seriously thinking about buying another kit just like this one, just to do it right this time. After all, I have everything set up, all the paints and tools...
I'll give my wife a couple of weeks to calm down though :)
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That's your second attempt?
I hate you.
Very, very nicely done.
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Thank you Kratz, but I have to give all the credit to Tamiya.
This is an exceptionaly well designed model. There is a gazillion of parts, many of them highly detailed and painted, and yet, ... they are invisible after the model is finished. I really liked that.
I really enjoyed building it. I took an easy approach. I've set up the workbench, and worked on it 10-20 minutes a day. Just cut a part, paint it and let it dry. I think that this is the way to go. Do not rush it. Tamiya paints are great, cover well and are easy to work with.
everyone!
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I just don't have enough space in my house. As a result, I can't have stuff set up, so when I work on a model, I do it for way too long at a sitting, and get sloppy. :(
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$$$
what kind of money did it cost you for the paints and model. all i can ever seem to find is those cheap bellybutton revell models that are usually so warped when ya get them that they're almost impossible to put together.
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I'm very curious how much $$ this costs as well. I'd love to get into this ... but just couldnt really afford to spend much $$
Nim
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Originally posted by Swager
Beautiful!
I wish i had the patience to do something like that!!
Nice work
You know I was gonna post the exact same thing.
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Mietla...still waiting to see what the final cost was?
I found a Tamiya kit for $72.99
http://www.internethobbies.com/internethobbies/tam132mita6z.html
But check out the same kit with engine start up, idle, throttle,
and lites. WOW.. can only imagine how that would turn out. I
wish I had the time for kits like that. (check the price out too)
http://www.internethobbies.com/internethobbies/tam132mita6z1.html
Enjoy.
Events.
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I love modelling but it can be either totally relaxing or extremely frustrating.
When I was 8 I started modelling and had a 3 year project going on. I had 1/48th scale's of "almost" the entire US Naval fleet from WWII. My mother and I moved several hundred miles and the movers completely wrecked the box that my models were in. Not a single ship made it out alive..hehe
Needless to say I was I was devasted.
That's why I just moved to Die-cast model's..hehe
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What type of model maker are the best? I have seen some pretty cheesy ones, so dont even really know where to start. And there is no point in me gettin' a Tamiya since I havent really learned to paint 'em. Id just screw it up :D
Advice?
Nim
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If you go down to a good model shop, they will have a bunch of different ones - and the ones to start with will be obvious and around $10.
Airfix makes some decent 1/72 that are a good place to get started, imho.
I've got a 1/72 Spit Mk IX in the works that's by Italeri - it was pretty cheap too, and a bit higher quality than the Airfix ones, it seems... or maybe I'm just improving ;)
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The model is cheap (I think I paid les then $50), but then I went to a local D&J Hobbies to get the paint and tools... $120
I'm seriously thinking about getting another kit. I've screwed up this one in a number of places, and this time I know how to do it right. I still have the paint, the tools, the setup...
As far as the cost of paint is concerned, you can cut a lot of corners. I bought all the colors listed in the instructions without revieweg what colors they are and where they are used. I did not want to take another trip to the store, so I bought them all. It totalled around 40 colors, but some of these colors are almost identical. There are probably 4-5 shades of silver/metallic. Many colors are barely used and some of them are used to paint details which are hidden in a finished model.
I'm guessing that you could probablky eliminate half of those colors (this way or another).
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Just to note that that is a particularly expensive model.
Most of the planes that we fly here are available in 1/48th scale from Tamiya, Hasagawa,Revell, Hobby craft(hard to find an La7)
Prices range considerably. But very nice kits could be had for 20 US.
Start with something that has a simple paint scheme. Not only in the cam pattern but on the canopy..
If you want a recomendation for a first kit here it is.
The tamiya 1/48th scale spit Vb. One of the best fitting kits ever made it goes together without filling or sanding any gaps.
The markings provided in the kit are very good. The pait scheme requires only a few colours that are available from Tamiya in an easy to use acrylic paint. The cam pattern has no feather to the edges so a brush painted version is perfectly realistic.
So you need the Tamiya spit for 20 US or so.
An xacto knife with a pack of fresh blades.
Get Ocean Grey, Dark Green and Medium Grey for the cam pattern(try to get acrylics they are easier to work with.) Flat Black, Flat White, Silver maybe a few others.
A good bottle of Glue, You can use the tube of testors glue but a thin glue like Abrose Pro weld works better.....
You will need some white glue for the canopy..
Some water for the decals...
Of course at some point you will want to invest in some sand paper..an air brush..some decal solvents..etc etc ..
And maybe you want to find the markings for the london butcher so you can paint that spit Vb the same as the one in AH...
But the basics for building a good quality kit are pretty cheap.
Very nice Zero..
Thanks for sharing it with us..
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Originally posted by aknimitz
What type of model maker are the best?
From my (limited) experience Tamiya and Hasegawa are definitely the best. They offer a stunning detail , the parts fit perfectly and their paints cover very well.
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I have a 1:72 La-7 kit made in Chekoslovakia in 1975. Still has the CCCP stamps on the box. Paid about $5 for it and I am afraid to build the sucker now.
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responding to worr
posted by worr:
BTW...you think the decals are too thick? Do you use acid to settle them into the engraved panel lines? They seemed thick in the pictures...and that it typical for tamiya.
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As a matter of fact, yes I do think that they are too thick. I'm a very inexperienced modeler, so I did not know about the acid technique. Sure I've glued some together when I was 10-12, but this is my second serious model. I've done a Hasegawa Tomcat eight years ago, and now your Tamiya post awoke my interests in this hobby.
I tried to do this model right. I've set up my workplace, did not rush, but still I've commited a number of mistakes that I regret now. I'm seriously thinking about getting another kit to do it right this time. After the first one I think I know how to change a sequence of painting/assembly to get an optimal results. Unfortunatelly, the instructions are not optimal in this regard. They do not indicate which side of the element need a paint, they just indicate the color. I did not try to think ahead to figure our which side to paint and which to leave alone, so as a result many elements are not painted right. Also, very often it is better to glud a bunch of parts together and then paint them.
Another example of a screw up on my part. I was able to make an almost perfect coat of paint on the underside. Very even, very thin and thus showing all the panels and rivets. I was very happy with it. But then I taped only the edges 1/2 inch or so, before applying the top coat of paint. Big mistake! The top coat was great as well, again I was very happy with it, but guess what... the bottom was misted over. My perfect bottom coat was ruined. No problem I said, I'll just fix it. To make a long story short, by the time I was done fixing the top layer looked horrible.
Another obvious and horrible looking screw up are the yellow leading edges of the wing decals. For some reason they've designed it as three pieces per wing. Bad design. Should have been a single piece. Maybe someone can align them perfectly, I obviously could not. I'm thinking about ripping it off and just painting the yellow edges over.
This time I'm going to tape over the entire model real well.
Anyway, I have not decided whetehr I'll build another kit soon yet, but if I decide not to do it, anyone interested in a paint set? Most of them hardly used, and I don't want them to dry up in my garage. Whoever wants them, they can have them.
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Hell, I'l take them, but I'll pay ya something for them.
BUT! You should not stop. It looks very nice! Ya got talent!!
Take a break and then try again if you are not satidified, but it seems like you are damn good at it!!
Swager
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double post
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Even if I decide to build another kit, there will be a lot of paint left over. As I said, some of them were used to paint a single 1mm x 2mm detail which is not visible after the model is finished. Like the golden/brass valves on the oxygen bottles burried inside the fuselage behind the pilot seat.
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Nice Mietla!
Don't bother with cheap kits if you are starting out!
Just buy a good new Hasegawa or Tamiya kit. They cost a bit more but the better fit will make it easier to build cleanly than a cheap old kit. It will be easier and more fun. Two really
great kits to start out with are the Hasegawa 1/48 Bf109G6-G14-G10-K4 series. As a new guy avoid the Bf109F-G2 series as they have a slight fit problem with their different cowl arrangement, you prolly wont care but itv will take some effort to align it right. The other great kit is Tamiya's FW190 A series. They are easy to put together.
A decent fitting cheap kit with recessed panel lines is the Revell_Monogram 1/48 Bf109G10. It costs about $10.
Dont buy models of Spitfires, they are all ugly. :)
I love D&J. :)
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Ok ... so where's a good place to pick up these models? Local hobby store? I prefer to get 'em online, anyone got a good spot?
Ok, so Tamiya makes the best models. Should I also use Tamiya paint?
Nim
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You can go to your LHS or try mailorder places.
A good mailorder source is: http://www.squadron.com
Tamiya paint is OK but I like a brand called PollyScale better. The problem with Tamiya paints is that they dont have any standard FS or RLM (USA and LW military standard) colors available, they just tell you to mix them. Polly Scale has premade accurate military colors, plus it costs less. :)
BTW I like acrylics over enamels in most cases. Tamiya and Polly Scale are acrylics.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nice Mietla!
Two really great kits to start out with are the Hasegawa 1/48 Bf109G6-G14-G10-K4 series.
A decent fitting cheap kit with recessed panel lines is the Revell_Monogram 1/48 Bf109G10. It costs about $10.
ditto on the g10, it's very nice.
the others you mention - i had a dog of a time with the radiator flaps. i will say at least they give you that option and if you're patient enough to sit there while they dry in place they look great.
also i'm not sure why they didn't mold the bulen on the g14 right onto the fuselage - i had to use filler to get them to fit right.
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If you haven't taken a look at the stuff at this site, I'm sure you'll all enjoy it:
http://www.hyperscale.com
You can get lots of inspiration looking at the kits these folks have built, and the subjects vary from WWI to Civil Aviation to AFV's. Also some informative articles, tips, book and kit reviews can be found here. If you're having trouble finding a particular Hasegawa or Tamiya kit, or if you want to shop around, try this link:
http://www.hlj.com
It's a company located in Japan, but owned and run by an expat. American. Pretty good prices when I compared my local hobby shop prices with them... just pick up a few more kits or things to even out the shipping cost ;)
Enjoy!
mauser
P.S. Nimitz, Tamiya paint is great, but if you can find Poly Scale it's great too. Also heard good things about Gunze Sangyo and Aeromaster paints. This is for acrylics (water based), I'm not sure about enamels.
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wow! It came with tape so you could paint the canopy frames??? Hehe, I haven't made a model in about 15 years, but I remember having to either cut the tape myself, or try to paint with a toothpick and a steady hand! :)
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"the others you mention - i had a dog of a time with the radiator flaps. i will say at least they give you that option and if you're patient enough to sit there while they dry in place they look great.
also i'm not sure why they didn't mold the bulen on the g14 right onto the fuselage - i had to use filler to get them to fit right."
They will both fit fine and dry quickly if you use liquid cement from the bottle and not the tube cemet. First glue the outside single flap, let it dry. Then glue the lower inside flap, let it dry. Then glue the upper one. :)
The Beule on all 109G kits must be seperate due to molding restrictions. The fit fine on Hasegawa kits. Make sure you clean up the sprue gates and nicely and it will be clean. :)
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I bought that damn Revell G10 kit... I hated it and eventually gave up. The panel lines on the fuselage didn't even line up, and there were some other issues that really annoyed me.
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Get Tamiya or Hasegawa, you'll be very pleased.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nice Mietla!
Don't bother with cheap kits if you are starting out!
Just buy a good new Hasegawa or Tamiya kit. They cost a bit more but the better fit will make it easier to build cleanly than a cheap old kit. It will be easier and more fun. Two really
great kits to start out with are the Hasegawa 1/48 Bf109G6-G14-G10-K4 series. As a new guy avoid the Bf109F-G2 series as they have a slight fit problem with their different cowl arrangement, you prolly wont care but itv will take some effort to align it right. The other great kit is Tamiya's FW190 A series. They are easy to put together.
A decent fitting cheap kit with recessed panel lines is the Revell_Monogram 1/48 Bf109G10. It costs about $10.
Dont buy models of Spitfires, they are all ugly. :)
I love D&J. :)
GH..
I mentioned the Spit kit because spits are so easy to paint..especially the Tamiya Vb as it comes with decals for the yellow leading edge.
And its soooo purdy
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Pongo I'm telling hblair you think Spits are "purdy", even, persish the thought "sooooo purdy".... :D
Yes the Tamiya 1/48 early Spit kits are also excellent models to start out with. :)
There will soon be a new 1/48 LA7 kit through either Eduard or Gavia. The new Eduard kits are every bit as good as Tamiyas or Hasegawas and Eduard actually does them for Gavia so it will good.
Then theres the upcoming Tamiya 1/48 262 and brand new Hasegawa 1/32 Bf109G6. :)
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When I was a kid back in the (mumble mumble)'s airplane models always had their own section of the toystore, and the selection was huge. Now they are hard to find and very expensive (relatively speaking). I blame it on all those Hippies sniffing glue in the sixties!
You guys are giving me the bug again though. I tend to build em, keep them for a few weeks then give them to one of the kids to play with. If one ever does come out good though I'll keep it.
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Hehe takes me back to a misspent youth spilling enamel paints on the carpet, and spending hours making pristine freshly-painted models look haggard, old and bent outta shape, covered in mud & rust. And the terrible toll the damn cats used to exact on them, knocking the things off shelves. *sigh* :D
Anyone remember Mr Tamiya Catalogue modeller man, francois Verlinden? He painted those things like a dream...
Here's a few (http://scalemodel.net/bookstore/publishershelf.asp?publisher=Verlinden)
The Verlinden Way II (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930607261/102-3722154-4488156)
The mothership (http://www.verlinden-productions.com)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Pongo I'm telling hblair you think Spits are "purdy", even, persish the thought "sooooo purdy".... :D
Yes the Tamiya 1/48 early Spit kits are also excellent models to start out with. :)
There will soon be a new 1/48 LA7 kit through either Eduard or Gavia. The new Eduard kits are every bit as good as Tamiyas or Hasegawas and Eduard actually does them for Gavia so it will good.
Then theres the upcoming Tamiya 1/48 262 and brand new Hasegawa 1/32 Bf109G6. :)
I have the hobby Craft 1/48 La5 and La7 with the Aeromaster markings for the planes that we have in AH. But an eduard kit would be welcome. The 1/32 Hasy G6 is a beautifle kit and I wish that tamiya had built the Zero to that level instead of going museum quality. I hope they get a grip with the 262 and dont go crazy.
edit.
Just found the Tamiya 262. its the Jabo version in 1/48th.. What dweebs. Teasing us and making us wait for the a1 version.
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Just found the Tamiya 262. its the Jabo version in 1/48th.. What dweebs. Teasing us and making us wait for the a1 version.
Yep! :)
I actually wish the Hase 1/32 109 had more detail. The cockpit is totally unacceptable since the floor doesnt even touch the fuselage sides leaving a huge gap. Thankfully we have the resin guys. :)
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Some comments:
As far as accuracy & detail is concerned, the Japanese import kits (ie. Tamiya, Hasegawa, etc.) are usually of a higher standard. But they come with the commesurate price. In general the US kits (Monogram, Revell, etc.) are not quite up to the same level, but they are considerably cheaper.
This isn't to say that you can't make a fine model from a US kit. Often they're only lacking in tiny little detail points that no one would really notice anyways.
I'd strongly suggest that anyone getting into modelling starts with some inexpensive kits from their local model/hobby shop. 99.9% of us don't have the patience and skill to do such a great job as meitla has on only his second model. Most of us are gonna screw alot of stuff up and go through a learning curve. If you expect a highly detailed replica as opposed to the glue covered messes you made as a young boy, it's gonna take some time to learn to do it right. You're going to probably trash some plastic in the process. Always nice when you destroy a fuselage that cost $12 instead of one that cost $60. :)
There are multitudes of sites online that proffer kit reviews, tips, techniques, etc. The usenet group rec.models.scale gets a pretty good amount of traffic, with real-world reviews and plenty of good info. You can also fine several newsstand magazines, the best US one being FineScale Modeller.
http://www.micromark.com is my favorite place for tools. They cater to the hobbyist.
Speaking of tools, when you wanna take your model building to the next level you need an airbrush. It's possible to turn out a decent paint job with a bristle brush or a spray can, but nothing compares to an airbrush. 'Specially if you wanna get into detailed camo paint jobs and such. I use an Aztec/Testors A470 with an Airmaster compressor. http://www.testors.com/Product.asp?product%5fid=A4709
Essential tools:
Exacto knife - I've got a bunch. One of the wooden box sets is a great start.
Liquid model glue - If you're not 9 years old, you better not be using that goop in a tube. :)
Several thicknesses of Cryoanalate glue (Super Glue) and accellerator - used for alot more than just sticking things together.
Dremel tool - Quite possibly the coolest tool ever invented. I use both a corded one and a rechargable.
Picks and tweezers - I've got lotsa sizes of tools that I use to hold, seperate, clean, adjust, etc with.
Lighted magnifying glass. I've got one of those biggish round ones that clamps to the table.
A good place to work. Dragging the kit onto the kitchen table whenever you wanna work on it isn't conducive to a quality finished product. I'll post a pic of my workspace soon.
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Great advice Dob. The airbrush you've recommended looks pretty sexy, I'm going to get it for my next model.
What's Dremel tool?
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never mind, found the tool.
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"never mind, found the tool."
I'm not even touching that one :) pun intended.
I just bought the Revell 1/32 FW-190F-8 for $25 at my local place... I havent even opened the plastic yet so I cant really comment on the model, but if everything fits thats a fair price nowadays for a 1/32 bird.
cp
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A little more info on some of the things I mentioned above.
The Aztec/Testors A470 airbrush is a neat little peice. It's both single & double action. Which means you can set it to either just throw out a set amount of paint when you press the button or you can swivel the button as you press it to vary the amount of paint released. You can get away with either for general use, but it's nice to have the option of both modes in one brush. Just that much more flexability.
The changable tips are another trick feature. Fineline, splatter, wide coverage, etc. Nice to not have to fiddle a bunch with needle settings & stuff for this. And in theory, you just need to remove & clean the tip after each use. (I find that I like to do a cleaning on the whole tool after I've used it a bunch.)
Alot of art/drafting type stores carry this brush. I bought mine from http://www.micromark.com. $129.99 for the set with all the nozzles in the nice wooden box I linked to above.
Aztec also has a single action brush in the same body with the changable tips.
The Dremel tool is a wonderous thing. :)
http://www.dremel.com/html/home_fr.html
Craftsman and a couple other brands market a same/similar product that's called a rotary tool. You can find 'em at any hardware/department store. It's like a high speed grinder or drill. It's got a ton of bits that can be used for grinding, sanding, shaping, cutting, etc. I use 'em all over the house/garage for a ton of things. On my model table they're mostly used for shaping & removing plastic.
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