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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Downtown on July 05, 2000, 09:47:00 AM
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Well, I have read his posts and find them quite amusing. I left my iEN account and WB Squad behind for Aces High. I had a lot of great squaddies in Warbirds, and unfortunately since AH doesn't play on MACs my squad couldn't move over.
I readily admit that my favorite features of Aces High are the Flat rate $29.95 a month and the 3D view system.
Following closely behind this is that HTC appears to have almost exactly incorperated several suggestions I made on the GAMEPLAY/FEEDBACK Forum into this sim. We have a much more indepth strategy than Warbirds does, and will apparently have. Additional suggestion that other made (like the hot rearm points) have been incorporated and IMHO add imensely into the sim.
I also readily admit I have seen better graphics in Flight Sims. Not in a online sim yet, but in box sims. Of course I haven't played a boxed sim with a 3D cockpit.
Well, there is my opinion with Aces High and everyone who posts here has their own opinion and is more than welcome to post it. I haven't flown a WWII Aircraft so I can't speak for the FM, both WB and AH's FMs seem close to what I imagined in reading books by WWII Pilots. Also for the short period that I had both an HTC and iEN account, I know my AH Flying made me a better WB pilot.
So, to the point. MACBOY.
He keeps comming here and posting about how much better WB is than AH. I personally don't see it. I also believe that a good portion of this community came over from Warbirds and apparently they don't see it either. I read posts by players who hold accounts still in AH and WB and fly both, and they say that the differences are slender also.
So who can't fly AH and see for themselve. The Mac community. I guess that they are becomming frustrated. Flying a 2D version of a game on a graphics engine that is 5 years or more old and paying $2.00 and hour to do it would anger me also.
I just think I would direct my anger in a more profitable avenue. IMHO Macboy has two options.
Continue to wait for the development of WBIII which promises to have a 3D Mac version, or hope that HTC will port the sim over to Mac compatiable.
Instead of being patient and attempting to show HTC that he could bring hordes of MAC flyers to AH, Macboy chooses to Attack HTC and its product and members of the AH community.
I feel that this has the opposite effect of what Macboy desires. I haven't seen anyone get their way through throwing temper tantrums. If you want something I find the best way is to propose a logical argument.
Macboy could be saying, hey HT if you give us a Mac version I can have 200 pilots here in a month, 200 X $29.95 = 5990 A month, thats $71,800 a year. That should pretty much take care of a MAC programmers salary. If that isn't enough, Macboy needs to find 50 more, or 100 more, but make the argument, and show HTC that it would be worth its time to have a Mac programmer. I feel that this avenue would work.
But I feel that saying, Hey, your product sucks, I wouldn't pay $29.95 a month for that crap, well your demonstrating right there that it wouldn't be worth HTC's time and effort. Why do something if you know fromt he get go that it won't pay off in the outcome.
Anyhow it is very apparent to me that Macboys childish outburst and posting temper tantrums are based on jealousy and PC Envy.
I feel that the members of the AH community need to show some understanding and compassion for our unfortunate Mac Flight Sim brethern. Don't be so hard on Macboy, how would you feel if your only choice was Warbirds? How would you feel if your only choice was to fly in 2D? How would you feel if you had to pay between $1.50 and $2.00 an hour to fly? You would be pretty frustrated wouldn't you. How would you react?
So when you see Macboy go off on a rant, just remember where he is comming from. Tell him we understand that it's frustrating, and that if he just calms down, and will be patient, everything will be okay. I mean he shouldn't have more than a year or two too wait for WBIII, which will have a 3D Mac version.
Honestly, I find his posts amusing enough to put up with them for that long.
Post away Macboy it reminds me of my kids when they can't get what they want. Do you clench your fists and stomp around when you see us get a new release?
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I do feel sorry for the Mac people up to a point. They are a good part of our flight sim enthusiast community, so nobody likes to see them not be a part of it.
On the other hand, an analogy of DVD vs. VHS may work in this case. Seems to me that if I want DVD quality video and audio, I go out and buy a DVD player, instead of yelling at the VHS manufaturers to produce the same high-quality sound and video of the DVD format.
For whatever reason, HiTech and Pyro don't want to get into the same multi-platform situation that they found themselves in with Warbirds. Can't blame them for that.
You Mac guys have a great machine out there. It does many things very well. But for whatever reason, it has not been supported or touted as a gaming rig. In this day & age, if you want to be able to play all the games you want, you have to buy a PC. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the simple truth.
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Good post Downtown with valid points and a compassionate view. Imho MG had crossed the line quite a while ago and could care less about any repercussions to his jeuvinile behavior. Other MAC users have posted here and for those folks I wish there was a way to bring them together with us.
It's not just MAC users who have a problem. They just have the biggest and most vocal of love muffines representing them. In my opinion there is a larger group who cannot fly here because thier Pentium I or II's cannot run AH. I don't see them whining or being disruptive.
I don't see any reason anyone (especially HTC) should cut MG any slack. He's never been a community member in AH and he's certainly never tried to be one.
-Westy
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While I can undestand MG´s pissing because lack of Mac version in Aces High I cant feel sympathy for him. If he wants a Mac version of AH is because he wants to be here. If he wants to be here, then he likes AH. If he likes AH why does he underrate it so much?
Remembers me about the story if the fox who cant get the grapes. "they are too green" says the fox , to try to convince himself that the grapes are bad,when they taste just great, to try not to miss eating them.
That is an actitude of a 4 year old kid. My little cousin does that, too.
So I feel sorry for the Mac players ,but for sure I dont feel sorry about Macboy, MG or however he is called. If he doesnt like AH, as he yells at 4 winds, then there is no reason to want him here, if he likes AH then there is less reason to want him here as he acts like a little kid.
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This whole Mac/PC issue is ridiculous. When I want to ski, I buy skiing equipment and fly to the Alps. I do not try to use the skiing equipment for anything else and do not worry that it is idle for the most of the year. I do not do anything else in the Alps but ski and eat (I go to the French Alps). It costs me money, but that is why I work eight hours a day.
It would be extremely stupid on my part to squeak that I cannot ski well using my office chair and why don't they landscape the mountains to make it possible. I do not ask them to make special ski for me so that I could do it in Brooklyn.
That is what some Mac users (in many cases you could say fanatics) are asking for. "I already have my crappy overpriced non-standard computer that is much better for word-processing then the PC, now make everything else revolve around me".
Yes, I do call Mac crappy. I am using real stuff - Sun hardware running UNIX - for my work. For my gaming I have bought two computers over the years and I am considering the third one. I do not care what model it is, as long as it runs the game(s) that I want to play. It so happens that all three of those have been PC's so far. Pure coincidence. The fourth machine I will consider may be Mac, X-box, Nintendo, Sun or whatever else the best flight-sim will run on at the time.
AH runs on PC and I will buy a PC. I do not want HTC to dedicate any resources to porting and maintaining to any other platform even if they have money for a programmer. As an experienced professional I know that any system with duplication is three times as vulnerable. There may be features not supported by OpenGL, that DirectX suports and vice versa, so the feature set will be the lowest common denominator. Any feature will take different time to implement on different platforms, so the upgrade cycle will depend on the slowest one. Time will have to be spent on testing, debugging and technical support.
The only reason AH is evolving so fast is because the HTC guys do what they know best with minimum of distractions. Many people can't play AH - those who cannot afford any computer, those that do not have access to the Internet, those for whom $30/months is half their monthly income, etc. So a few more people who would not buy a PC will not be able to play it either. My heart bleeds for you...
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Good analogy miko. Flight simmin' is a hobby. Much like skiing is a hobby. Hobbies cost money. If yer serious about yer hobby, you will find a way to afford it. If that means buying a PC, so be it.
As far as MG goes...
What a bratty little kid he is. Spoutin' off on the quality of a sim he knows nothing about, has never played, is nothing short of pathetic. And the funny thing is he posts like he's some kind of authority on it.
I've been in his shoes... having been a Mac flyer for roughly 5-6 years... I never once felt the inclination to come on to one of these boards and incessantly squeak about the fact that a sim wasn't available for...er wait... no, he's not complaining about that. He's just saying AH sucks.
Right then. I don't feel sympathy for Macboy. Pity, yes.
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Miko,
That is the worst analogy I've ever heard. Not that I would advise anyone to ever buy a Mac. But skiing on an office chair. Come on. Mac has a viable OS and viable hardware. I guess in your perfect little world everyone would be forced to buy one brand of computer in order to do word processing, one brand for photo editing, one brand for games, one brand for finite element analyses etc. Yeah everyone want's to spend $10,000 on 4 different computers. That's about as far-fetched as anything I've read on this board.
So in essence your saying that HTC is telling the Mac community that if you want to play our game not only are you going to have to fork over $360/yr but your going to have to go plunk down an extra $1,300 on a PC.
No in fact I'm pretty sure that HTC doesn't plan on blowing off a huge section of their market because they think that PC owners should only be the privileged few that can play their game. In time I imagine that they will port AH over to Mac. After all would you be willing to just hand over 1/3 of the possible market share to your major competition?
Use your brain man. Remember where most of the HTC team came from?
Spritle
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I hate Bill Gates with every fiber of my being.
And hate all things Windows. Detest all things Microsoft. And will not, with my utmost power, not put a dime in his pocket.
And when a game comes along that splits a community because of it. I scream bloody murder.
Warbirds brought Macs and PC's together. Aces High splits them apart again.
The only time I come on this board is to reciprocate PCcentric advertising on a Warbirds Bulletin Board.
No, I won't buy a PC. I am vehemently for keeping Macintosh alive and growing. I will NOT give in to Billy, the ripoff crook, EVER, plain and simple. A lot of German's gave into Hitler too. I will not go that route period!
I am for a new era of cross-platformability. I love my Mac and want it to enjoy interaction with other computers of all other persuasions. Because of Billy Gates way of keeping his stuff proprietary, he has excluded Macs in a lot of things. Inevitably, mac has gotten to a point where they have to meld into the population, or die. This also takes a concerted effort for the programmers to use development tools that are cross-platform. Because HT/Pyro can't evolve, you have a game that isn't evolving. Thus, a cheap PC-centric game using old, hard-to-port coding. If that is what they can live with, and accept being antiquated, then so be it. Sad.
Aces High is PC-centric. Fine and dandy. Warbirds is cross-platform. Cool. So I obviously have a stake in keeping Warbirds alive. Alive and flourishing. For the most part, Aces High, to survive must leech as many players as they can from Warbirds et al. Fine. But I take issue with PC guys who could care less about Macs and the importance of cross-platformability for a competitive environment, as Billy is totally against, and come spewing toejam on a board I hold dear for my reading pleasure.
Warbirds and WWIIOL will be mac-compatible, and they are taking their time to get the sims right. They are not throwing together a slap together continual beta-test sim only available to windows to earn a quick buck.
Bad mouthing Warbirds on AGW will get you people like me screaming at the top of my lungs on your board to go jump in a lake. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. This is WAR!!! as far as I'm concerned. Ego-driven types like Pyro and Hitech will have to deal with people like me if they are going to try and leech off the players that keep me flying/fighting in a mac-compatible game. I'm just passionately vocal about it. I don't hate AH for lack of compatibility, I hate AH players coming to an ALL-Warbirds UBB, AGW, and bad-mouthing MY game. Well, of course, I'm going to take offense. And I won't sit idly by as it happens.
Play your slap-together outdated code of a game, but remember, if you are going to come bad-mouth and/or advertise a PCCentric game on a UBB where macs/pcs co-exist, you are going to get some definite feedback from the participants that CAN'T come over to your game because the programmers think it not feasible at this time. Cheap and shallow are they.
Take in consideration, many who bad-mouth Warbirds don't play now, or never have played Warbirds. So whats different from me badmouthing Aces High? Hypocritical some of you are.
Stay off AGW with your bad-mouthing and advertisements, and I will reciprocate. AGW is a haven for me and many others to discuss WB issues, as this board is for you and your AH issues.
When I need to work through the issues about WB, trying to have healthy dialogue about things in WB that need fixed or stuff coming in the future, or just to chat about fun stuff, inevitably, here comes an Aces High fan, spewing somewhere on the board about how IEN sucks, Jay sucks, Iceman sucks. It gets quite trashy. We have to put our faith into these guys, they are in control of the game that we play now. Whatever happened in the past is now past, and some of us go with the flow, because we HAVE TO.
I don't care about discussing AH on the AGW boards, by any means. Its when the bad-mouthers come on defending Aces High, using language that defames IEN or the game, then I take offense, just as you do when anything is mentioned about WB in a good light on this board.
So call me childish, call me what you will, its all prejudice on your part, and hypocritical at the least. But, I stand up for my convictions, even if I make enemies in doing so because, selfishly, I want to keep using my Mac, AND fly with friends on the internet. Aces High doesn't provide that, fine, but don't come over to AGW and cram a limited platform flightsim in my face and call my flightsim things that it is not, turning my pleasurable reading into disgusting flames and untruths. If we want to talk badly of AH, fine, that doesn't mean some sappy, blinded by love, star-struck flightsim AH newbie come spewing and ranting defensively about his crappy flightsim. For the most part, if there is anything negative about Warbirds written here (lol, every other thread), you don't have WBers coming over to defend WBs. We leave you alone with your community and judgements. You don't allow it. I am a perfect example of that. Why should we allow it at AGW?
No other flightsim enthusiasts come to AGW to advertise their product without rebuttal, why should Aces High be able to? If some other PC flightsim came to AGW to advertise how wonderful their shallow product is, I'd be on their boards in a heartbeat to let em know how I feel about them posting community-splitting crap.
Comprende? I didn't re-read or edit this as I post, so hope nothing gets lost in my un-disciplined amatueristic writing and ideas I am putting forth. But if you comprende.
Good.
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Please Go Away.
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JimBear,
You can relate, eh? I have the same feeling over at AGW.
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Happiness is a warm gun momma" - The Beatles
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Ever consider the fact that you might be taken more seriously on your point if you weren't being a hypocrite in the process?
I am not for insulting WB, AW, FA, AH, et. al. I try not to make any comments too personal. I respect others that do the same. I hate it when someone, on either side, stirs up trouble between our communities. I knew that your posts were rebuttals (at least in your mind they were). Does that make you any less guilty than those here you detest?
As for asking people here to stop insulting iEN, WB, etc.- how do you say that with a straight face, then slam HTC with practically every reference you make to them? While fundamentally I agree with you about posting on AGW about AH, your delivery here always prompts me to respond when I would never consider posting on AGW- in effect, your attempts here to stop us from posting on AGW backfire.
There was no doubt you would be here to take issue on this topic, and I don't blame you for that. You should however take issue with the people personally that wrote on the topic, not the company whose sim they fly. I'm sure you are an adult, and can see the difference. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 07-05-2000).]
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You're full of sh&t or a real pshycho MG. Both now that I think about it. You added in a post on WWII Online last week that it was now time for you to go harrass the AH players at thier web board. You're not fooling anyone here MG.
-Westy
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MG
You and others forget 1 important thing when bad mouthing either sim.. Many of us fly both WB & AH. I still fly and hold 2 WB accounts as well as my AH account. No doubt ill also join and have an account with wwiionline. But wwiionline will be strickly an Sub thing.
As for cross platform play, HT said that will be down the road a bit. So back off the slurring till it happens, your not making to many friends here at the moment,and youll have few to call your 6 when Mac is part of the system. HTC has done well with 2 people programing, if you cant see this then and the amount of work that has been done there is some wrong with your gray matter!
I fly both with equal enthusiasim,as do many others. Your choice of platform is just that,your choice & yours alone.
Suggest you give it time & start making friends now! This will help greatly in the future..
Dog out.........
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Apache deleted this post. Ain't gonna use the language I had in here, just ain't gonna do it!
[This message has been edited by Apache (edited 07-05-2000).]
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"So in essence your saying that HTC is telling the Mac community that if you want to play our game not only are you going to have to fork over $360/yr but your going to have to go plunk down an extra $1,300 on a PC." - Spritle
Misses the point. HTC aint 'telling you' nuthin'. Squat. They made this nifty little game, and it needs a certain computer to run it. Simple. You can moan about this as much as you want, but thats the facts.
Maybe the government should step in and set up some kinda OS Standards Board and force companies like HTC with only 6 employees to release cross-platform products, or nothing at all.
Or lets make them face a panel of so called experts who can ram market share data down their throats, so at the very least they understand how foolish and doomed to fail they really are.
And MG, as much as you say that you want to rid the AGW board of all things AH and return to the haven of discussing WB matters... the only time I seem to see you 'discuss' anything is when AH gets mentioned. In a bizarre way, you love this toejam (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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MG belched:
IEN sucks, Jay sucks, Iceman sucks.
#1. TRUE
#2. TRUE
#3. FALSE He`s the only thing their doing right over there,as far as Jay Littman goes-he`s an idiot,Hotstink is a cretin,and you are a lower life form than either of them Mac Geek.
I haven`t seen any recent posts from AH players bashing WB on A Group(of)Whiners lately-so as I said before STFU and go away idiot!
P.S. Is there pattern here?
#1. Supports a dying OS.
#2. Supports a dying game.
#3. Probably has a Beta format VHS too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Actually, I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for MG too. While I have to admit that I've enjoyed laughing at the spectacle he makes of himself, it's getting a bit sad when you remember that he is a real person. Watching the loosely threaded fabric of his mind unravel is becoming increasingly disturbing. Is he in a squadron? Maybe they could help him out.
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HiTech Creations
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MG
first of all, and prior to anything else. If I'm not wrong Wb was developed for PC much before being done for Mac. So AH is first written for AH and sooner or later for Mac.
Second, HTC is a 6 guy team. To keep development at a fast pace they need to concentrate in PC. to put a Mac version would be a diversion of resources, and they think its not worth the effort right now. Like it or not, I agree with them.
Third I never insulted Wb. I always have stated that they are different and that I like AH more,and when I did it you answered me "stop spamming this board". If that was to spam then what are you doing?. Still I have to read you here sayig toejam about AH when you dont know it and you LIKE it. (yes, sir you like AH whether you admit it or not is your problem,but if you squeak so much for a Mac version is for something isnt it?).
fourth...what Wardog said. One day AH will be in Mac, MG. and you'll want to fly it. But right now I wont call your 6. For that matter, I think that VERY few people would call your six. And you know why.
Be nicer, and you'll be treated with more respect. Be as you are now and we'll all want you outta here.
As simple as that.
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lol Pyro (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY:
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Grr.. u made SUPERFLY cry, time to die :P
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Hehe Pyro. You sly dog.
All the other rebuttle posts are just emotional puking. Yours, though, ever so sly. Good job. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Welp, I'm outa here. Just thought I'd stir it up some. Just to let you have a vent and rally for the game you enjoy. Cya! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"A lot of Germans gave in to Hitler too. I will not go that route period!"
Macboy, please don`t compare Bill Gates to Hitler in an attempt to make yourself sound righteous. Every time somebody compares something they don`t like with Hitler, it trivialises the crimes of this evil man.
Wilfrid
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I'm going to approach this logically from a technical POV, as amazing as it may be to actually throw facts into YAHWO. (Yet another Holy War Online, pronounced "Yah-Woe").
HT made a decision to use D3D. For this you accuse him of ego-centricity? Or is it because he decided to do a 3D WW2 Flight sim? Would he have leeched any less if he made it a Korean War sim? Or was HT now banished to writing code to games like Java Whack-a-mole without being brandished a leech? Come on.
HT COULD have used OpenGL, and wrote it on a Mac with a PC Port, much like X-Plane does. X-Plane is also riddled with display problems, although to Austin's credit, he does a hellva job, but he still has no multiplayer support for it.
D3D leverages other things, like DirectPlay for sockets (My guess is HT doesn't use it and instead writes directly to winsock.) and DirectSound. These are useful tools, and HT likes them. Well, maybe he puts up with them.
Anyhow, in case you haven't noticed, big software shops are going the way of the dinosaur. For every Bungie and Blizzard, there are a ton of shops that don't last. Small dedicated groups with talent are the only way you're gonna see anything decent arrive.
So, instead of squeaking that HTC pulls your community apart, why the diddly don't you get a copy of CodeWarrior and do something about it? Huh?
BTW, I bet you're a lousy pilot, so no loss.
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Spritle,
I would welcome players into the game regardless what kind of hardware they are using. The more, the merrier. I am just saying that making the software for different platforms is difficult and expensive. Look at WB - it's two games, not one - one for PC and another one for Mac.
So rignt now it is apparently not possible to port AH. If it was, I wonder if MacOS would be the first platform of choice. You have plenty of other nice platforms, like BeOS, Linux, etc. that allow you to run multiple processors for example.
For all we know neither Hitech nor Pyro may even know how to program for Mac and may be too busy to learn.
As for buying four top of the line computers, yes - you have to do that at least every 3 years to be able to play flight sims, plus interim video upgrades. Thank Lord that the price of that kind of system has dropped from $4500 to under $3000 over the last 6-7 years. Still a lot of money, but it is a game, after all - not a necessity.
A little bit of history - Mac, not PC was/is a monopoly, completely closed system. When they came up with a nice operating system and interface, they did not license the technology to anyone, instead they advertised amasing systems for completely ridiculous amounts of money that only corporations dared to buy and sold crappy systems for twice the money of a comparably equipped PC (I did my shopping). So the public bought atrocious but cheap PCs that were produced by hundreds of companies for less then IBM brand. And you could buy peripherals dirt cheap compared to Mac from thousands competing vendors.
And anyone could write an operating system for a PC - there are many commercial UNIX ports, Lunux, BeOS, etc.
Everybody knows that the issue is not hardware, but software.
Why wouldn't those Apple guys port their wonderful (no irony here) OS to a cheap and plentifull PC? They wanted to be the only wendor of all Mac Hardware, Software and Periferals and they almost lost their shorts.
Then a few years ago they licensed their stuff to a few other companies and in a few months we had plenty of Mac clones better and less expensive then the ones from Apple. Thw whole market for Mac revived and what did they do? They yanked the license from those companies who invested millions in production facilities and became a monopolists once again.
The PC and Microsoft stuff was not as good but more accessible to the people and we were buying it and voting with our $$. We elected windows as "The OS" and PC as "The Platform" and Bill Gates as The Reachest Man in the World completely democratically and fully aware of their shortcommings (Yes, Macboy, just like Germans elected Hitler in 1933).
From where I stand, (UNIX and X) both Windows (all flavors) and Mac are almost equally crappy systems. I know what a real OS should be like - I had to work on many flawors of UNIX and several models of hardware. Not a single one of them I could use for gaming. The fact that I currently have a Sun running Solaris 2.7 at my disposal does not give me arrogance to demand that everything be ported to it.
I feel sorry for the people that have access to Mac who cannot obtain a real gaming computer.
I do not even suggest to them to wait for the port because I want to see them in the arena now. Most of them are great guys. PCs get cheaper every day, AH is very tolerable to the older equipment. I cannot believe that it is preferable to play WB in 2D to running WB or AH on P2/333.
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I hope WWII online works out for little old Macboy, as anyone paying any attention has to have some serious doubts about the long term viability of WB.
Almost every time I am going to log on to AH, I first check out the numbers on WB, and lately every time I have checked, AH has more players that WB. This might still be post con dropoff, but it's been over a week since the con and it's still that way. Maybe a growing trend? WB wasn't doing well financially before, it has to be feeling the sting now. Macboy might find himself without a game if WWII doesnt fill the bill.
Just a thought.
Funny thing, guys who discuss AH on AGW (a private board, not an official game company sponsored board like this) usually discuss differances and opinions. They dont jump on AGW to attack WB. Why doesnt little MB notice and respect that? And why doesnt he figure out that everyone, and I mean everyone has figured out he has no clue about what he is talking about?
BTW, Bill Gates is my hero! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ;o
Dago
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Welp, I'm outa here. Just thought I'd stir it up some. Just to let you have a vent and rally for the game you enjoy. Cya!
Nice attempt at a recovery... kinda like when a cat walks into a door...
*SMACK* "mmmeeEEOOOOW!" (dusts self off) "I meant to do that...."
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LOL Pyro!
I bet he still drinks Schlitz too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
udie
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When I set out my Macboy/MG trap I never expected so many fish? Wow, I am gonna have to open a fish market.
What Macboy/MG keeps avoiding is that ARGO said it was okay to compare AH and WB on the AGW board. I know some folks have done that and been attacked.
I check AGW all the time, and except for Badger (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1/seg.gif) I see iEN Customers are the ones complaining about iEN, Iceman, Hotseat, and Jay. Check AGW Right now, check these threads, they aren't AH Pilots, and AH isn't mentioned?
http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw/Forum3/HTML/013142.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw/Forum3/HTML/013142.html)
]http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw/Forum3/HTML/013152.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw/Forum3/HTML/013152.html[/url)
http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw/Forum3/HTML/013147.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw/Forum3/HTML/013147.html)
I think Macboy needs to look a little harder at his community, and how it treats others before he comes here ranting his diatribe.
HT doesn't need to do too much to leech players from Warbirds, iEN and the whiners on AGW are doing just fine.
Everytime Macboy/MG comes here ranting, I will pluck an amusing thread from AGW where a iEN customer is attacking iEN, Warbirds, or the AGW and Warbirds community. I have never checked AGW and not found such a thread.
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Hals und beinbruch!
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LOL Kieren!
MarkAT
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I wonder if Macboy realizes that Microsoft has invested at least $150 million in Apple over the last couple of years.
If he really wants to escape the shadow of Bill Gates, mayhaps he should go fire up the old VIC-20 and complain that both Aces High AND Warbirds don't work on it.
-- Todd/DMF
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Advice for Macboy
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)GET A REAL OS! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)GET A REAL OS! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
udie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Well, I'm a Mac guy. Preparatory statement: HTC has pulled off an amazing feat in pumping out a quality game in record time. If either of my PCs could handle it, I'd definitely be giving AH a try, and would probably enjoy it enough to keep my account. Unfortunately, I don't really have enough free time to justify getting a decent PC box just for games at this point. Maybe soon. Look back through anything I've ever posted. I've never slammed AH, the game.
That said, I'll reiterate what I said long ago. I do think it was a mistake to not make the game cross platform from the get-go, and despite HT and Pyro's comments, I doubt much effort really went into ensuring the code was as cross-platform as possible. No slam, just a guess. It's still going to be a "Mac port" or a "Linux port" ... "sometime down the road," not a Mac game or Linux game, like WB3 and WW2OL will. Those were designed from the ground up with the Mac platform in mind.
With a development staff as small as HTC's the investment of a Mac or Linux programmer would have been small compared to the probable gains. Sure it would have slowed the development down SOME, but it would speed things up in the long run, and increase revenue.
Better than 20% of the beta signups for WW2OL were Mac, and there were *thousands* of signups. I just don't see the business sense in ignoring 1/5 to 1/4 of a market, especially when that segment is experiencing growth, and your two main competitors have announced support for them. That's one less thing on your tally sheet in the "Compare these products" box, and with three competitors, you should be aiming for as many edges over the competition as you can.
It just wouldn't have taken that much effort to secure 20% more players, and a devoted following among the largely fanatically loyal Mac crowd. Cause that's one thing we are ... pretty loyal when someone makes an honest effort to support us right.
And one last thing. Pyro, Superfly, I think it's kind of unprofessional to make posts like you do against potential customers, even if they ARE trolling or asking for a virtual clubbing. You got players to take care of it, no need to do it yourselves. It's one thing to take issue with a person and their comments; it's another entirely to join in the ridicule of someone in a public forum as a representative of your company.
Feel free to disagree, that's just my opinion after seeing a couple of similar posts in other threads by you two.
Spitboy -SW-
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First person to reply to udie with ANYTHING about Linux will be shot.
(D'oh)
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Does that include you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
udie
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I can't believe i read this whole thread.
Hey Pyro, in case ya didn't notice, it ain't just Macboy coming unhinged in this BBS.
Cabby
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"The Jungle Air Force"
Welcome To The Jungle!!!"
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LOL Cabby, as if you've ever had a positive thing to say in your many hate posts over on AGW.
Best thing I've ever done was to stop reading alt.gripen.whiners on a regular basis.
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Originally posted by Macboy:
I hate Bill Gates with every fiber of my being.
And hate all things Windows. Detest all things Microsoft. And will not, with my utmost power, not put a dime in his pocket.
No, I won't buy a PC. I am vehemently for keeping Macintosh alive and growing. I will NOT give in to Billy, the ripoff crook, EVER, plain and simple. A lot of German's gave into Hitler too. I will not go that route period!
Theres Linux for PC, its not bill gates product (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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MacBoy,
I'm sorry you've become so unhinged about all this. At least in another country you would have had proper psychological treatment by now. My only suggestion is to just walk away. Posting like this only results in a rebuttal which in turn joggles your already severely damaged psyche, causing yet another sad post by yourself.
MG/MacBoy are just aliases. I hope the real person inside that mind hears me when I say please get help, because only you can help yourself.
Remember, life's not a world war. Only humans like cabby think so, and they're a dying breed. Kinda like the neandertals.
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Say, just what is a Mac? Is that the stuff they sell in the small corner of the store next to the abacuses, Hi-Fi equipment,typewriters and 8-track players?
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Say, just what is a Mac? Is that the stuff they sell in the small corner of the store next to the abacuses, Hi-Fi equipment,typewriters and 8-track players?
You're about a fry short of a happy meal, now, aren't ya? Check out Aces High's competition (Warbirds and/or WWIIOL) and learn something, Or perhaps get a better joke book. dweeb
And leonid, what country would that be? And, oh, what country do you prejudge me to be from? Huh? Damn gene pool over here needs some chlorine.
1776, are you really this guy?
http://geraldholmes.freeyellow.com (http://geraldholmes.freeyellow.com)
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Originally posted by Downtown:
I check AGW all the time, and except for Badger (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1/seg.gif) I see iEN Customers are the ones complaining about iEN, Iceman, Hotseat, and Jay. Check AGW Right now, check these threads, they aren't AH Pilots, and AH isn't mentioned?
Downtown.....
I would appreciate your checking the facts before making offhand provocative remarks (even with a smiley) about anyone, masked under the guise of being a separate topic.
I am an iEN customer today and have been since 1995 (-dach-) when it was CK under early beta, which is I believe long before you ever heard of WB. I was already a member of AGW prior to your joining in April of 1999. I am a current member of JG2 and a past member of JG27, as well as "The Wardawgs". I pay my $9.95/month and $1.99/hour per hour just like anyone else, so I have no idea why you decided the above was an appropriate comment. I don't write or zealously promote AH on AGW. I have only ever commented on the ineptitude of iEN's business strategies and particularly Mr. Littman's (or his mandarins) peculiar ideas of what defines good public relations and customer service. As a paying customer, I feel I'm completely within my bounds to do so.
In discussing the business issues revolving around the companies that provide these virtual flight simulation products, it became apparent to some of us that there were people on these boards who wanted to carry on an informed and reasonable discussion about the viability of these companies, their products and strategic directions. These things will ultimately affect us far more as customers, than the wing loading of aircraft or grain weights of ammunition being modeled. In response, a few of us set up a separate eGroups discussion list (Web and/or email based) which surprisingly to me, has now grown to over 50 people including participation from Playnet and iEN staff. So far, it has been a much healthier, often demonstrating more substance than much of the content that pervades the general boards today.
I'm not defending any of Macboy/MG's comments as they are generally over reactive, highly personal and often insulting, but they are based upon a natural fear and insecurity of feeling abandoned by HTC in his hobby. Perhaps he might, but I think more likely he would not, be writing under pseudonyms and behaving this way if he was able to fly Aces High on the Macintosh system, his platform of choice for all personal computing.
HTC's view is probably similar to most who are running a software business today. Why would one develop an application for an operating system and platform that only represents approximately a 4.8% market share? Perhaps as an add-on later for incremental revenue volume, but certainly not today with an organization which has just six people, one of which is the only programmer.
Regards,
Badger
Looking for a different kind of environment to discuss your favorite on-line flight simulator?
http://www.egroups.com/group/flightsimsonline (http://www.egroups.com/group/flightsimsonline)
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Badger, the smiley was the point, it matter not to me in the least whether or not you have an iEN account. I notice that your posts on AGW don't paint iEN in the best light imho. They don't paint a rosey financial picture for that company either.
If iEN fails or needs a rapid influx of cash flow, I bet dollars to donuts that the first thing they do is sell of Warbirds. This of course would again delay the release of WBIII. I know that you have your technical discussions, and apparently others enjoy having them with you. And they may be technically accurate, but they seemed pretty harsh. And on AGW you are seen as a straight up iEN basher imho, just like Ripsnort as seen as a cheerleader for AH or WWIIOnline on AGW. Rightly or wrongly they are lables applied, much like Macboy/MG's Mac whiner lable.
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lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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MacBoy said "And when a game comes along that splits a community because of it. I scream bloody murder.
Warbirds brought Macs and PC's together. Aces High splits them apart again."
What a load of garbage!
What an idiotic concept, laying the blame on HTC for the 'splitting of the community'!
The community will always be split, as long as people have different opinions about the best flighsim, OS, Nachos, movie, religion etc etc.
Another thing .. you appear to equate Bill Gates with PC technology. FYI Linux and a few other Open Source OSes run on PC's.
If a port is going to happen, port to a REAL OS, Linux, and not to an elitist OS which is System whatever for the Mac ... SHEEESH! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Your strangely warped opinion is quite funny though ... hehe
Cheers
Yosus
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Ooops .. just read the entire thread ... looks like I didn't add anything that hadn't already been said (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif) ..
Ahh well .....
Cheers
Yosus
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Crabby shows up and adds his nickels worth of purile whine too. And within 24 hours of MG's hissy fit. Cod. So predictable.
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To Spitboy:
Your post makes a lot of sense and I like your ways of expressing your points of view.
But I have to disagree...HTC is a 6 people project, and 6 people means that they can develop the product fast only, and if, they concentrate resources on the biggest share of the market...I.E. PCs.
You say that Mac is 1/4 or 1/5 of the market. Ok...but if to get that 20-25% of market they are going to slow down the development of AH and so piss off the other 80-75% then I think that is not a good strategy.
I am sure that Mac version will be available in the future. I am sure you'll enjoy AH when it goes out in Mac. But right now there is no reason for HTC to raise a Mac version, as it wouldn't do good for Ah's development.
At least that is my opinion.
Originally posted by Spitboy:
And one last thing. Pyro, Superfly, I think it's kind of unprofessional to make posts like you do against potential customers, even if they ARE trolling or asking for a virtual clubbing. You got players to take care of it, no need to do it yourselves. It's one thing to take issue with a person and their comments; it's another entirely to join in the ridicule of someone in a public forum as a representative of your company.
Feel free to disagree, that's just my opinion after seeing a couple of similar posts in other threads by you two.
Spitboy, what MG is doing is to splat toejam over AH all the time. AH is a project of only 6 guys working VERY hard day after day, lovely raised by them and done with a lot of dedication.
If I work VERY hard on something only to see a stupid come and spread garbage over it I'm going to call him...well you know...
instead they laugh a bit and make a joke at his stupid behaviour. If I was pyro I wont be so good with him. I'd literally call him what he is, a damned stupid spammer with the mind of a 4 months old subnormal monkey.
They got players to care about, and they sure care about mac users. But for sure they dont mind a toejam if MG comes to AH or not.
And I dont do it, either.
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Cabby, Spitboy, MG: What online flight sim game did you fly before WB's, if any? And, if you did, why did you come over to Warbirds when you did?
Just curious.
Straight-forward answer, hold the sarcasm please. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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In a hissy-fit, Macboy/MG wrote:
Play your slap-together outdated code of a game ....
Sorry Macboy .. I closed my WB account ages ago (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW.. just WHEN is WB3 going open beta?
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http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix
'feel the heat .......'
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Rip, I first got into WW2 online sims with Mac Air Warrior's open beta in 1995. AW had a long history of supporting Macs in the dark ages, before AW4W (and Amigas, too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ). MacAW was the port of AW4W, which was the AW entry into the Win95 platform.
Remember that pre 1995, there was only AW. And since its inception in the late 80s to around 1994, Macs were supported in AW, through DOSAW.
The plug was pulled on Mac AW (it was a mercy killing) around 1998, after it shockingly failed to gain a following at $2 an hour on AOL alongside PC AW4W, which was free, and PCAW3, which was $2 an hour. Remember. MacAW never evolved past DOSAW stage, and yet they expected Mac folks to pay $2 an hour in 1998 for a port of a 1994 game that was never finished and never should have left beta. Interestingly, Jay Littman was the producer for MacAW, and he's now the WB3 producer.
I played WB since WB 1.11, long before the demise of MacAW. I played both alongside each other; MacAW for the excellent, small and close community, and WB for the superior graphics and gameplay at the time. I did play MacAW til the bitter end.
RAM, you make a good point. I did admit it would have slowed down development, but I still maintain it could have been kept to a minimum of delay.
Re: Pyro and Superfly, I have the utmost respect for what they've done. It's easily apparent that this is not IPO fodder for them, but something they believe in and WANT to make. But that's irrelevant to me. Any business reps should act like business reps in a public forum with their customers. Sure, this venue is a little different, and we can all be buds and chums and share jokes and beer. But ridiculing people maliciously is never something I like to see company reps do. I said the same things about Hotseat over on AGW, btw; he often goes off on people in a similar manner.
Call me old fashioned, but that's my belief (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Spitboy -SW-
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Wow.. a thread started to bash someone.. then continued when the individual retaliates.
One observation I have to agree with about the AH community... they tend to hang around waiting for an easy target.
So.. Pyro.. how little does a thread have to accomplish before it gets locked?
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The reason I asked, Spitboy, is that alot of the WB folks now sound like alot of the AW folks did when WB's came out. Thankfully its a minority.It's fate that history repeats itself once again.
As for me, I played AWDOS when it was like $5/hour, moved to CK(WB's) V.82 since it was something 'different'. I can remember AW guys coming online in beta just to bash the game...hehehe. I can remember not liking the flight model in CK (WB's) too, but never went to extremes to point out its flaws. I couldn't anyway, I've never flown a real Warbird, only Cessna's.
Anyway, good to see you sucking up again to the community that appears to be leaving you behind...JUST KIDDING! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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My course is endless through the year.
I bow all heads and break all hearts,
All owe homage-I am Fear.
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Well yeah, and it sounds like a lot of the MacAW folks whenever WB was mentioned. Anytime a new product comes out, there will be those that flock to the new, and those that remain with the old. Each feels their product is better, and can't understand why the OTHER morons don't get it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It'll happen again once WW2OL comes out, mark my words.
I'm cornfused by your last statement, though. You mean HTC or WB when saying "leaving us behind."?
And I'm not "sucking up," tho I know you meant that in jest. Just trying to present a different viewpoint from a Mac perspective.
Spitboy -SW-
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I really hope MG isn't from the USA (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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My first sim was in 1974, while in the USNavy (Viet Nam verteran), in the Operations room aft of where I worked as a Quartermaster (navigator) in the pilot-house of a flag ship guided-missle destroyer-cruiser. It was a simulation of naval battles that could be played on about 12 round screens each being manned most of the time. Thats where I hung out alot during off-hours, and a few hours during work (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The ships and submarines were outlined rectangles (the submarines only visible on surface breach or you were one) with guns (small lines) that could turret with a track-ball. All on a small network. Loved it. State of the art.
Then, for me, came Falcon, a bit-mapped version on a small Mac Plus in 1985. I was hooked again. The mac was revolutionary as it was a fabulous tool for my graphic design field. Other computers at the time were mainly data-entry stuff, with no mouse, and only line-entry stuff, which didn't interest me, unless it was a type-setter. So, I now had, the best of both worlds, fun and games that easily interfered with my productive artsyfartsy stuff.
Then I grabbed any flight-sim as soon as it came on the shelf. Chuck Yeager Air Combat (which I played with a friend occassionally because of his lack of interest, couldn't get into it even when I begged (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif), Hornet, A-10 Attack! and A-10 Cuba. Even dabbled a little in MacAW, but was so dissatisfied with the look and feel of the game, couldn't do much with it.
During this time, I was reading Parsoft's (A-10 Attack!/Cuba) boards, and reading about a new game that came out called Warbirds. It was all the rave, and continuously talked about, and they were soon to come out with a mac version, not long after its debut. First thing I got up in the morning, the first place I automatically went was the Parsoft boards to see if "it" had arrived yet. Every single morning, every single moment I could, I was waiting waiting waiting.
Then finally, Warbirds Mac Beta!!!! I was there! Even though the Mac beta arena was FREE, I would go fly in the $2/hour PC arena (available to macs too) because there were more players. I thought to myself, and discussed with many a mac pilot how awesome these guys were for porting it to the mac and Caligula was our God. (Mac was a bit more respected during those times). An online multi-player game, with not just one other player, not just macs, but with anyone in the world. I've been struggling to make money to play the thing ever since. Heroin ain't nothin'.
And for those misintrepreting my message. Its not the game. There are tons of games available for PC only, and I would go nuts trying to fight the masses in the name of macs. I realize whats going on with the platform thing, I might have been born at night, but not last night. But its the harrassing at AGW from IEN bashers and AH promoters that gets my dander up. I don't know Jay Littman, so I tend to just listen with regards to whatever he has done to foul up anything or his business sense. Its the untruths about WB on AGW to make it look shoddy or worse than it is to attract PC'ers that is what gets me in an uproar. AGW is a place to discuss Warbirds, warts and all, and yes, to compare with other flight sims. Not to have players from other flightsims come a-bashing Warbirds. The ex-warbirders two years ago wouldn't have put up with it, but they can sure do it now they have a place to run.
mg
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<Ripsnort flips MG(Macboy) a nickel into the old worn hat MG has in his trembling, dirty hands...turns and continues strolling down the boulevard whistling>.....
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Lets see Ripsnort/soup4you/dinkyminky/?/, you ask what sims I've played, I tell ya, then you flip me a nickel. You're about as scummy as they come, eh?
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Oooh. The spittle flies from the lips and the frothing drips from his chin. The glassy eyed cold stare comes next and then it's straigh jacket time for ole "Mactard" MG.
I'd wager that what little, very little, there was in the sympathy account for MG ran out quite a long time ago and that it just hit the massive deficit stage.
You're obssessed MG. Time for you to seek some help.
-Westy
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<Pssst...Mac, the TinkyWinky/NoSoup4U, was a joke on you...but don't tell MG okay?) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hmm, I have a daughter?!? Oh boy, now I'm in big trouble!
One other note: your outragious posts only strengthens this community and verifies how good customer support and software is within the AH community. Thank you for your part in solidifying the future for HTC.
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Spitboy, we run a very liberal message board. We prefer that people police themselves and try not to have to close threads all the time. We're not so insecure that we can't take somebody throwing barbs at us. We're tolerant but not deaf. We also have the right to refuse service to anybody and will do so when we think it's in the best interest of the game.
Go into a local business and start insulting the people there because they don't carry what you're looking for. Take some personal shots at the owner and then tell him how crappy his business is and how inept he is. See what kind of reaction you get. It won't result in them poking fun at you, but they might poke something else.
But the fact is, you wouldn't do that. Yet it's very common on the internet to see that type of behavior. It's real easy to be an bellybutton when you're not dealing face to face. I've been guilty of that myself in the past.
Our customers get to interact with everybody in this company all the way up to HT. But that doesn't mean we're here because you don't have a dog to kick. Whether you want it or not, there is a personal level of interaction with us, and we expect people to treat it as such.
I actually do understand MG's frustration, I just think he's going about it the wrong way. As he's just shown, he can make a lucid post and I think he'd be much better off doing that than ranting and trolling. I don't know why some people feel the need to stir this pot but that they do, from both sides. To what end? We've been through this before when CK/WB first came out and it's not much different now.
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HiTech Creations
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Not that this will help with anything, but...since when does a frickin quartermaster navigate a frickin..."flag ship guided-missle destroyer-cruiser"? and wtf is that? For how long has a bridge been called a "pilot-house"??? Look fellas, this guy is a bag of lies trying to incite a riot. Nothing more nothing less. Like a hacker/cracker, he has nothing better to do than stir up trouble. Downtown, you should be spanked and keel hauled for giving this moron an excuse to post here. The Mac thing is an excuse nothing more nothing less. The FM is an excuse. The graphics are an excuse. This guy will use ANYTHING to get people stired up. Any response to his BS will be used as another excuse. IMHO everyones best rebuttle would be silence. If you engage, you loose its that simple. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Guess I lost huh...ooops.
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"Engage the enemy; not the keyboard"
Hangtime
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Go into a local business and start insulting the people there because they don't carry what you're looking for. Take some personal shots at the owner and then tell him how crappy his business is and how inept he is. See what kind of reaction you get. It won't result in them poking fun at you, but they might poke something else.
Turn that analogy around a bit. You're a customer in a local business' store. You've been there before, but only know the owner very casually. Some guy comes in and starts bad-mouthing the owner. The owner starts bad-mouthing back and the two get into an insult battle in front of you and a bunch of other customers. What would YOU think as a casual observer? I'd venture to think they were BOTH nuts. The better, more professional way to handle it is to let the authorities handle it, and just make sure to kick everyone out if things get out of hand.
You've got your whole police force of players to handle trollers. They do a pretty good job. (And if they fail, you've always got Propoganda Minister Ripsnort The Enforcer (joke, JOKE)).
I'm just suggesting that HTC staffers have more to lose than gain from stooping to the level of trollers. You've got a good product and team that stands on its own merits.
Spitboy -SW-
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Macboy,
Thanks for editing that last post.
Lets keep it pointed in the right direction.
Yeager
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I don't even know why I started this thread?
I would be reading a thread on here or AGW and someone would discuss something and there is a post from Macboy. Spewing.
I guess I just got aggrivated and reacted. I thought I could get him to see how hyprocritical he is being. Somehow I thought I could get him to understand. I don't think I can anymore. I just spewed. I can understand some of the frustration the Warbirds types must be feeling, especially the MAC users. I just don't understand why he feels the need to make very presonal attacks. And that is what they are.
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My observations in this stuff:
1) AGW is a private board, not a company (IEN) owned board solely for the purpose of discussing the company product.
2) The Owner of AGW has stated he has no problems with AH discussed there
3) Most Posts in the WB -vs- AH vein on AGW are attacks on AH by insecure WB types. Very rare I have noticed an anti-WB thread started. Most are started as anti-AH, with
some players posting replys to counter the original posts, with objective observations and truth.
3) This Board is run by AH, and it isnt appropriate to come here and start threads by spewing garbage about the game. Threads should be contructive, they can be enquiring for knowledge or they can be someone wanting to have fun in with the community.
just my thoughts,
Dago
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Originally posted by Spitboy:
Turn that analogy around a bit. You're a customer in a local business' store. You've been there before, but only know the owner very casually. Some guy comes in and starts bad-mouthing the owner. The owner starts bad-mouthing back and the two get into an insult battle in front of you and a bunch of other customers. What would YOU think as a casual observer? I'd venture to think they were BOTH nuts. The better, more professional way to handle it is to let the authorities handle it, and just make sure to kick everyone out if things get out of hand.
Spitboy I hope you arent saying that Pyro's tone was something NEAR Macboy's. If you think so then I strongly suggest you taking a look at all MG's posts and all Pyro's answers.
Your analogy would be more correct if you are in the shop and the guy starts insulting the owner of the shop...and then the owner starts looking the guy with incredulity.
Other day the same guy comes and does the same. Then the owner starts smiling ironically.
Another day the same guy comes,spams, and the owner starts laughing at the stupid guy.
And finally one day the guy comes and the owner ends asking the guy if he has mental problems or he is **REALLY** that dumb.
I think that is a REALLY fun mode to take Macboy...to not take him seriously at all.
Pyro's post was pure irony. nothing near MG's toejam.
Hope you see my point, because IMHO Pyro has shown a lot of pacience, class and irony about this guy.
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Have to side with Spitboy on that.
I do not care much if one of the (prospective) customers starts shooting his mouth off, but I will be worried when the business owner stoops to his level even a little bit. After all it's him I will be dealing with.
Pyro's post was nowhere close to the level of the Macboy's but we treat his posts much more seriously. Not that it's likely that we would lose respect for Pyro even if he does fly off the handle once in a while, but it's just upsetting to see him provoked to such extent.
Please, Pyro, next time just close the thread or at least post under the different name.
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Once again I am finding myself as an outsider looking in on this game. I was an alpha tester and I like the game. Very good FM's.....aircraft....etc. HTC is going to go far.
I am also a Warbirds fan. Have been......always will be. I fly with the best buff group (sorry dok....had to say it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) in WB's ......the 450th BG (H).
Ya know it really saddens me to see all of this bashing going on and on between the games. It is very very dishartening. Why are we doing this????? Why do we read this!!!!
Know....I know that some of you are going to come right on and read this and say "there is another WB lover.....lets bash him into the ground" If you feel you must.....do it. I am sorry that it has come to this.
Just remember this is a game. WB, AH, AW,...WWII ONline......all GAMES. And it is pretty sad when we have to come over from our other boards to competing companies and bash each other. It's just plain sad.
If you feel that you must bash me because I am sitting back and reading this......then please email me. Im just sorry that it has gone this far (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
It's amazing how a game that is to bring fun and joy......brings this.
An ashamed and saddened Samart
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LOL what a load of BS.
FWIW Macboy... mg? no way mg was nuts like this.
Anyway, way back in the old days there was this computer - the Amiga. And some smart arse wrote a Mac emulator for it. It ran Mac software 20% faster than the equivilent Mac. Initially the emulator was hardware, but then some hackers figured out all you needed was software to do it. And shortly thereafter the Amiga could quite happily run Mac software.
The question is - why could a cheaper hardware platform run Mac O/S faster than a Mac which cost a whole lot more?
Of course it never took off, the Amiga guys didn't like the Mac O/S and the Mac software was so damn expensive.
So whos the evil empire then? Apple selling their overpriced proprietery hardware?
Funny thing is that the Mac people I know went into complete denial and often assumed a fetal position over this emulator.
For anyone who says its BS, I ran it, tried some Mac software, and deleted it shortly thereafter.
Mac is just another platform and O/S. Problem is it doesn't have market share.
I see WB III is going to go to Linux. Not slagging either O/S but I think IEN are getting desperate, and they NEED the Mac/Linux markets.
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Spitboy I hope you arent saying that Pyro's tone was something NEAR Macboy's. If you think so then I strongly suggest you taking a look at all MG's posts and all Pyro's answers.
No, it wasn't implying that. Just that they should refrain from even being baited into replying at all. And I wasn't just referring to this thread. I've seen Superfly post his "crying baby" emoticon on several occasions, and I can't help think it's meant in a snide manner. And don't forget it was Pyro who "outed" Macboy by matching his IP to MG's. He's replied to MG several times, and a few of those replies were obviously attempts to belittle MG somewhat.
I think my analogy stands. There's no need for any HTC employee to belittle anyone here. If a person is being combative or disruptive on your corporate board, ask them to stop. If they don't stop after being politely asked, ban them. Period. Just like I'd expect a store owner to do with an irate customer. Ask them to leave. If they don't, kick them out or have the cops haul them out.
But hey, like I said, that's just my opinion. Doesn't make it right or wrong - was just hoping to make Pyro and Superfly think about how their responses might be seen by the casual observer.
Spitboy -SW-
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I really agree with Samart
HTCs are doing unbilebable job.
Gentlemen Just fly and enjoy AH
No need basing other sim at all.
Macboy and all Mac users
My 1st personal computer was Mac 512K
I loved to use Mac for job and hobby.
however It is so tough to use Mac for flight sim.
Please don't put special emotion to your Mac when you play sim.
I recommend you to buy PC (no meaning to give up your Mac. use Mac as you do.)
It just a tool or box however it can solve all problem you have.
You can fly current WB with D3D.
You can fly AH
You can fly most of all sim in market.
You don't need to wait any more.
You don't need to feel the difference between Mac and PC when you are in the sky.
Make it simple PC is just the tool but let you take the sky.
Your wings are for flying.
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While I can kind of agree that Pyro and Superfly may have been a bit coarse in their replies (not just here), I can see where they are coming from. Here is, for all practical intents and purposes, their labor of love. When someone rips it apart without even trying it, I can understand completely how they would react the way they do. It is natural. How many people here would react the same way concerning something that they worked on as hard as HTC obviously has with AH?I know I would, and I suspect that I am not alone.
-math
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You guys get as unhinged as me, my heck. Lets all relax. Take a break. Be thankful we live in a day and age where the only way most all of us would have experienced flying WWII planes would be to grip a 1/16 model <your ride choice here> between our thumb and forefinger, and vroom around the room, like the 190 movie from Doc Doom. Thanks a ton to the 3 companies, and their respective code thumpers for giving all of us a chance to experience the thrill of going at it in the virtual skies.
I'll lay off. Give ya'll a break. Let ya vent your frustrations on channel 1, instead of at me, sheesh, ruthless bastards, and go on with your miserable lives hehe
I'm excited for WBIII and WWIIOL, and I'm finding trying to vent the frustration of waiting in here is not that fun. Thought ya'll woulda had a bit more sense of humor, but you guys are very nasty people. You'd think that the savings on the ol' checking account would make your steps a bit lighter, hmmm. Think about what you have said in response to my posts, look at your ownselves for a moment, and any toxicity in your posts, and perhaps reflect on what anger you have built up, stored and penned-up, and perhaps change your own attitudes towards those that don't agree.
Always remember, when you are pointing your finger at someone, there are three pointing right back at ya.
C'est la vie, check 6, happy hunting and ciao!!
Macboy has done his job and shall flitter away in the wind from the AH boards.
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Hmm... that's a second reasonable post from Macwhatever. I bet if I ran into him at a con or whatevah, he'd probably turn out to be a decent guy.
I guess the lesson for me is to not take this toejam, any of it, too seriously.
But personally, I get a kick outta Pyro et al's posts. They're flight sim dweebs just like the rest of us... semi-human just like the rest of us... and if they wanna twist the knife a bit... what's the harm? Makes me feel like I'm doing business with real people and not some corporate PR spokesperson lacky. And I like that.
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Originally posted by Macboy:
Thought ya'll woulda had a bit more sense of humor, but you guys are very nasty people.
Umm, sense of humor? Your Pyro/HT bashing posts here and in AGW certainly didn't have a humorous tone to them, as well as your consistent name calling of posters...
You'd think that the savings on the ol' checking account would make your steps a bit lighter, hmmm.
You've already made your point in a post on AGW that the only reason folks dropped out of WB's is due to finances, why bring this up again?
Think about what you have said in response to my posts, look at your ownselves for a moment, and any toxicity in your posts, and perhaps reflect on what anger you have built up, stored and penned-up, and perhaps change your own attitudes towards those that don't agree.
SOunds like you need to take a good close look in the mirror and start 'liking' yourself, IMO, you have some serious mental health problems, I'm no doctor, but have alot of friends who are (Wife is a Burn ICU RN getting degree for PA practice) Please save us your analogy of what you should be doing.
Always remember, when you are pointing your finger at someone, there are three pointing right back at ya.
Another self-justification line, as though what you've done over the last few months is appropiate in your mind.
C'est la vie, check 6, happy hunting and ciao!!
Macboy has done his job and shall flitter away in the wind from the AH boards.
Done your job? Now you're saying "I've piss everyone off and I'm finished here..."
Hey, I'm willing to let by gones be bygones, but please, seek a close friend and discuss your anger...it might save your life, help you grow old enough to see your (possible) grand children.
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Since at best only 1/4th of the people would be playing the mac version of AH would they be willing to pay 4 times as much? They pay 4 times as much for their hardware.
Mac support would increase the work on every release..Increase the testing, increase the integration testing, increase the desk and hardware costs for HTC.
I am facing right now the prospect of stoping playing till I can upgrade my PC. Do I ask HTC to undo the last version cause it drops me to 20fps at best..no I dont. They are selling a game, I can buy it or not.
If these people want support in AH for the Mac it seems to me they are going about it the worst possible way.
Never played WB on line..but are these guys sure that the purported lack of updates is not linked to the fact that updates would have to be done cross platform......
edit.
a good mac programmer-50k
stuff needed per year to keep him working -20k
70000 /12 (months) = $5833 per month
5833/30(cost per account) = 194
number of mac pilots to even start to break even for HTC. 194..
that does not even begin to start making up for the costs to the over all development and design and support of having 2 production versions.
They would likely need 500 Mac pilots to make it worth while.
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I've never seen Pyro or any of the HTC people be rude or flippant with anyone who has expressed their displeasure in a constructive manner.
Macboy set the tone of all future discussions by his initial posts, and now he's reaping what he's sown.
The customer is not always right, especially when the customer doesn't know how to criticize without profanity or personal attacks.
If I had worked on something as long and hard as these guys have with AH, I'd take exception to his remarks, too.
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Hey Spitboy,
The last thing I need from you is lecture on how to behave. You should be lecturing MG/Macboy in the art of diplomacy.
You don't seem to really have a grasp on how much this character has whined, squeaked, moaned, made false accusations and flat out insulted HTC.
I held back my comments for a long, long time. As for my crying baby face, that was to make him realize that that's what he appears to me as. I picture a little boy in a toy store cyring and screaming on the ground because his mom won't buy him the toy he wants. He doesn't give mature and diplomatic opinions to this board; with the exception of that somewhat sober one on here. Besides, I believe I've only done the cry baby thing twice, so don't over play it.
We've stated, over and over and over and over again where we stand on the Mac issue. We never said never, and we never said yes. We are not a huge company with money coming out of our asses. This continual whining is getting him/the mac community no where, and he's only perpetuating the gap between the WB and AH community. Yes, I know he's not the only one. I gave 2 years of my life to WB (can I get a nickel Rip? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ), and I have no desire to destroy the bond with that community. It's a part of our history, and we will never lose that.
There is only so much immature drivel that a man can hear before he starts laughing and stops taking the other person seriously. All of this "Rip posted about AH on AGW, so I'm posting here!" BS is just stupid. You're not going to earn anyone's respect by making posts like that. It's just really gotten to that point where I have to laugh, and now it's moving to annoyance. I'd take the man a lot more seriously and with more respect if he would give us the same.
Peace.
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<Rip hears a faint Trumpet sound around the corner, finds a blue jeans man wearing a Tom Landry hat with a large basket full of coins in front of him, blowing softly on his trumpet the theme song to 'Superfly'...Rip tosses him a quarter>
FYI: I made a formal apology (well, not an apology, rather a statement being guilty as charged... regarding my tasteless unabashed promotion of Aces High in OFF-TOPIC forum..seeking disgruntled WB users to come over to AH to 'check it out', while offering my services of helping them in the training arena) on AGW in regards to my January posts(Interesting enough, alot of the negative feedback of my information posts back then are playing now! Daff, Cabby, Laz, Stigler even said hes going to check it out!): read something like this:
Posted by Ripsnort in AGW
Bingo Ding...and most are willing to eat a few bugs for a couple of weeks while they address them in exchange for a spectacular flight sim! Night bombing is simply awesome! Especially the explosions! Woo hooo!
Ding, please understand MG's bitterness:
WB's hasn't had an upgrade for along time.
AH comes out, and folks go to AH, not only pay a flat rate, but AH does not offer Mac version, so there's a slap in the face.
Attacks begin on those who even mention the word AH.
Attacks begin on each other in AGW, out of frustration of watching AH develope into something short of spectacular, while WB flyers dump loads of hourly rate money into IEN with nothing in return.
Sure, that's going to get anyones blood pressure up.
When I first posted a thread about "What do you guys think about armour in WB's" back in January, I was bombarded with insults. I became defensive and started posting threads about AH in off-topic , more or less retalitory strikes.
I'm as guilty as anyone.
Those who stood by and said nothing are guilty.
However, one cannot even express his opinion on AGW anymore, pre-AH one could, post-AH everyone gets flamed if they mention AH.
That tells me AH is a real threat to some folks. It shouldn't be.
I for one would like to make peace, and wish everyone else would just chill out. AGW is becoming a mockery on other BBS, and newsgroups, we all contribute to that negativity that is portrayed.
It's time it stopped
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LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I am a little late in this thread. I read it all and found it very up-lifting and funny. The PC vs Mac Ol'e. For myself I was a bonafided Amiga loyalist, well sort of.
GUYS! Get a grip.... Your beautiful and passionate lover has not just left you for another man. Your old and faithful dog has not just died. No one has pissed in your morning coffee or tea right before you had a drink.
This is simply a matter of the right tool for the job. Could you expect the engine of a Cessna 152 to power a Boeing 747? A fuel injection system for a Volvo will not work on a Ford?
It won't work, get over it.
IMO this thread boils down to a few issues:
- Mac User wants to play AH
- AH is not a Mac platform
- PC User is callous to Mac User frustration
- Mac User will not invest in a PC to run AH
- Mac User would rather toss whiney comments and inuendos
BTW IMO Pyro's initial statements simply showed a color of humor. However it seemed to strike hard to an individual(s) with exceedly high senstivity. In those cases of self inflictied hurt I suggest they go cry in a corner. Not do it in plain sight where strangers get to witness the spectacle.
You can complain about this forever, and to what end?
You want sex with multiple partners? Go buy some condoms. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Yankee
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Mino's sig: "One more dead brain cell and you're a talking monkey."
Yankee
LOL! Hey, I resemble that remark! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Rip,
I am so sorry that I touched a chord close to your heart. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I'll buy you a beer at the con whether you're standing upright or not. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Yankee
BTW - love the pic!
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I am disappointed with any general manager of a company that tells someone "one more dead braincell and you're a talking monkey" then offers to buy him a beer.
Trying to prove a point? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
Let's clarify....
I did not call Ripsnort a talking monkey. That statement was directed towards a specific person who, I felt, completely deserved the bashing.
You gonna help me out here Rip?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yankee
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Please don't use facts to cloud the issue here. I don't apreciate it at all! I AM THE CUSTOMER DAMMIT!
Ya think Rip isn't replying because someone already bought him a beer?
AKDejaVu
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Hehehe, yes, concur she used that line on someone else, but it generically included alot of AH folks! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Homer: 'MMMMmmm...Beeeeer..."
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ROFLMAO!
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Isn't Sympathy between toejam and Syphilis in Webster's Dictionary? Thought so.
IMO if all Macboy has to fret and squeak about is WB vs. AH then his life must be pretty good.
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man yall are raising the mark for ultimate amazinhunk in aces hi / wb so fast i think i might not be able to keep up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Towd, he raised that mark along time ago in AGW , sir, check this out, I never laughed so hard in my life as to when I read a post of his over in AGW when I was having a civil post on AGW, after he used the 'F' word to Dago, I simply reminded him to please get some help..his response...:
MG: Rip, YOU are the one in need of help. Dissing me here will get you no where, and your clan of AHers can't help you here pal. You are in my house now, and the maturity level here sees past your chirade. Don't tread on me buckaroo.
ROTFLOL !!!
Wooo Hooo!
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So the upshot of this thread is we gonna get an Amiga version of AH right?
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
So the upshot of this thread is we gonna get an Amiga version of AH right?
Quick, somebody give Matt Jaeger a call!
(I doubt, even amongst Amiga users, maybe 5 people will get that.)
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Man. 75% of the people in this thread are wacko, egomaniacs, plain bitter people or AH Cheerleaders.. sad.. very sad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) You should all have a read of the above some time down the track when your hormones have stabilised.. you will be saddened (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) and I don't mean macboy either... and some of those posting are trainers or more too.. shame... I expected better from what I heard about this community.
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Somehow I get the feeling that if all the parties who participated in this thread were in a bar, imbibing the Brew heavily, and blasting their diatribes at one another, they'd be laughing themselves to tears about right now. In fact, I know. We used to do this very thing when I worked for Tower, a long, long time ago... and we were a tight crew too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<sigh> the good ol' days (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Cheerleader,
If you don't feel too uncomfortable about it, May I ask under what handle you use to fly AH and what handle you use to fly WB?
The reason I ask is this.....all too often it is easy to write posts (preaching and otherwise) under handles which aren't immediately recognizable. Wouldn't it help to just lay all the cards on the table when posting? (including using or signing with the handle one uses to fly)
Obviously the name you chose and the words you have used are similar in style to one other WB flyer.
One last note, Why don't we just shaddup and fly the sim we like. Who cares if Macboy flies WB and I fly AH. Who cares? Who Cares?
I think the communities can share things.....nope they can't (and that means both AH and WB). After reading the dribble on both boards, both communities could stand to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard.
Anyway, I like to fly sims, period. I've tried them all and have my personal tastes and favorites, and I'll leave it at that. When I post, it is usually at the sim I fly regarding those things that interest me within the sim I fly.
Cobra
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Cheerleader1 = Macboy. Skirt and all.
Get some help MG. And at the very least please don't multiply.
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Originally posted by Cheerleader 1:
or AH Cheerleaders...
YYEEEESSSS! <RAM jumps yelling>
GIMME AN A!!!
GIMME A C!!!
GIMME AN E!!!
GIMME AN S!!!
ACES!!!!!
GIMME A H!!!
GIMME AN I!!!
GIMME A G!!!
GIMME A H!!!
HIGH!!!!
ACES HIGH!!![/i]
Sorry for the enthusiasm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Oh what the hell, need to make this sad thread 100!
{Ram-Mode on:}
Two
Four
Six
Eight
Who do we appreciate?
HT
Pyro
Super
Nate
Ronni
Yankee
gooooooOOOOOOOOO Team!
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Okay, that's 100 !
BTW, found this 'Mac Boy' website: http://lowendmac.com/first/28.shtml (http://lowendmac.com/first/28.shtml)
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Man. 75% of the people in this thread are wacko, egomaniacs, plain bitter people or AH Cheerleaders.. sad.. very sad
You are correct. Even more sad is the 1% that decided to dig up a thread that had been burried for 3 days. Get a life dude!
AKDejaVu
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"Ram mode on"
LOL RIP! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)