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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: N1kPaz on March 19, 2002, 10:24:25 AM
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I dont know about evil, but it definately exploits young ladies of limited means. It uses money to compell them into doing things which no "normal" woman would concent to or participate in. It then takes these exploited girls and further exploits the dudes that cant get enough of them. My buddies dad has accidentally rang up two $60.00 plus phone calls to god knows where because he is semi-computer illiterate and has a desire to see "pink". Oh well, just wanted to throw my opinion in and the other thread was locked.
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locked for a reason but still...
evil is in the mind of the person...
porn is evil to some, not so to others.
forced porn is of course, evil by nature.
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I think it's just positive that they are paid well. I really can't understand this point of explotation. There is no must for anyone to go into porn industry, or if there is it is societys fault not porns. And as Seeker said what if there aren't any females..:D
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dude...you take a poor 17 18 or 19 year old girl who is used to working for chump change (5.40 an hour) and you offer her more money than she can make in a month to do something that she finds somewhat repulsive...is this wrong? i dunno...sounds wrong to me...maybe i am just a backwards yank or something.
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She could say, "no."
Instead... the industry is at fault for enticing the woman away from her principles with large amounts of money. :rolleyes:
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Thats a very circumstancial point zapkin.
First, the girl has to be "found" by that "someone" that offers her the "job". The girl has all the choice in the world to say no.
And even, if the girl is that desperate for money, then I think the girl would be much better off doing that than ending as a street hooker.
I believe the thing works in the opposite way. Girls who WANT to do that actually LOOK for such jobs.
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My theory is that the main reason to your "strange" attitude towards porn is that because Americans have issues with nudity some of you can't handle the added discust it brings to porn.:)
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ya'll can harbor whatever delusions ya'll need to justify your smut addiction!
The very nature of the situation whether it be the porn industries fault, or the fault of the young lady in question, is unquestionably tragic. The exploitation of young women (not even old enough to buy liquor) is a scar on our supposedly civilized and "human rights" conscious society. IMHO
I find it unsettling.. i guess i am just too moral for my own good...and the scary part is that i dont even go to church...WTF!!!!!
I work with alot of young ladies (17 to 21) and I can tell you this: most of them are basically still kids. I would hate to see them exploited by an industry created and supported by sexually deviant whackos.
And no..im not really uptight about sexuality, i just think women deserve a certain amount of respect and hardcore porn is certainly not respectful of women... (the money shot is a good example of this)
Sorry if I pizz of the smut lovers amoungst you...to each his own...but if i ever found my daughter in this predicament i would likely spend quite a bit of time in jail because of my actions towards her "employer" hehe...
I guess being the father of three young girls might have tainted my opinion on this matter...or maybe added clarity...use your own judgement!
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Your smut addict statement sounds as funny as: "If you are against war on drugs you are a drug dealer":rolleyes:
Dont get me wrong I like being a smut addict. I just think you are out of bullets.:)
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I have a daughter also, but I can't share your outrage at this.
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A locked thread is a pretty definitive hint, don't you think?
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For those interested in subject of american porn I recommendchesking this link - I watched the expose and it was very educational.
American Porn (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn)
Why was the other thread closed? It was a very civil discussion. Was some rule violated?
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
For those interested in subject of american porn I recommendchesking this link - I watched the expose and it was very educational.
American Porn (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn)
Why was the other thread closed? It was a very civil discussion. Was some rule violated?
miko
So they are really trying to make porn illegal? I had no idea that there are this kind of things going on. As Bush is trying to make all kinds of restrictive laws to your society hes overhelming support is quite amazing.
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very strange what some will stand behind or allow in the name of protecting some "freedom" :rolleyes:
don't forget the fact, my guess is at least 90%, that the average porno "star" is frying or has fried his/her brains out on drugs. I think if you studied the average "star's" youth/childhood, you'd find them to be pretty disfunctional... your average professional just doesn't wake up one day and say "Think I'll make a career change, Porno star sounds good". Usually troubled individuals with more baggage than you'd care to carry up a flight of stairs.
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Guys, im not outraged. I just like to express my opinion from time to time. I don't look down on ya'll for viewing porn...ive checked it out from time to time...i just think that it is not good for YOU or the people it exploits. In my opinion it is just another example of the haves exploiting the have nots...simple.
and i speak from experience...i was once an avid porn viewer...then i went to therapy and they helped me sort alot of stuff out (still got plenty to sort though). Once i was feeling better about myself and my situation i didnt need to stick my face in smut every day. i didnt need to view the degredation of teen girlies to feel good.
i would suggest that same course of action to others who are obsessed with the degredation of beutiful young ladies...
oh...by the way...for those of you who dont know me...i occasionaly like to stir some toejam..sorry.
PS: im not saying make it illegal..that would just create a hugely profitable black market. I just think exploiting young ladies is bad bad bad...unfortunately it seems to be good business. what a world we live in.
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mora...look at the last doofis we had in office...the guy spent so much time catering to special interest groups he didnt notice what a laughing stock he had turned the american presidency into. i think maybe we are just glad to have a leader we can respect again,
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Zap, so you went from one extreme to another is that any better. You seem to see things too much in black or white "Either with us or against us".
Going off-topic lets get back to porn.:)
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interesting....
http://www.xxxchurch.com
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Originally posted by Eagler
very strange what some will stand behind or allow in the name of protecting some "freedom" :rolleyes:
Many people do not believe that you can have freedom sliced into suitable chunks.
I could definitely live without porn. In fact I would prefer to live in a world where there is no porn produced because there is no demand for it to justify production and.or no people willing to engage in it's production. I would raise my children to that effect.
I just cannot entrust someone with deciding what we should like or think.
I do not want anyone to try to solve the problem because the way our society is going about it, it is just a huge waste of money and causes the problem to move into unregulated and uncontrolled (other then by organised crime) black market.
I definitely do not want anyone to tackle the problem by the only way that may work - cleansing of the genepool or total individual surveilance.
miko
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Originally posted by N1kPaz
i just think that it is not good for YOU
Well I can't figure out how it can be bad for me either. :)
Originally posted by N1kPaz
and i speak from experience...i was once an avid porn viewer...then i went to therapy and they helped me sort alot of stuff out (still got plenty to sort though).
Sooo...you went to a shrink to get rid of good porn? I think you went there for all the wrong reasons...
Originally posted by N1kPaz
...i occasionaly like to stir some toejam..sorry.
...I think you might have a real problem right here. :D [j/k]
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I ag... agr.... arggg.... Agree with hblair on this issue. Except for maybe one little thing, I don't think any laws should be made to outlaw porn....have at it guys.
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What is all this talk with men being responsible about sex and sexuallity? I have NEVER forced clothes off of a girl or her to have sex with me. She makes the decision, she takes it as far as she wants it to go. We talk like men are in control of the industry. If the girls didn't do it we wouldn't have an industry. I have an ex-girlfriend who is 22 and was making $15/hour canadian living in a town (not toronto) with her son. She wanted more money and she lacks the morals not to do something like that. It was her choice and she seeked out a position in that field. GREED. No pimps came knocking on the door with a gun and trenchcoat and got her hooked on coke. Now she drive a beamer and I'm still running around in my POS saab
People always seem to say "Those poor girls", they obviously haven't really met them.
They are always in control, they just won't let you know.
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but don't you see that it's only 'exploitive' because of society's view of sex?
if we made nose-blowing taboo then nose-blowers would be ostracized and cast down, but it doesnt mean what they are doing is inherently wrong.
in the 1800s showing large tracts of breast was acceptable but an exposed ankle drew gasps.
today the inverse is true. why? what changed? it is |purely| a social construction. the examples are myriad.
we make things right and wrong all the time...how many single pregnant girls had their lives ruined in the 50's because of oppressive social ideas? were they incapable of loving or raising their child? were they bad mothers? no, they were just filthy, disgusting, nasty, worthless, potato sinners who didn't deserve to live with the rest of us good people that's all.....
thankfully reason has thawed that old belief out a bit and women don't have to kill themselves, move out of town, cry themselves to sleep every night in self-hate, raise a child they hate or visit dr. coat hanger as much these days....
if sex were put back into perspective as a regular bodily function and taken out of the dark primitive realm of superstition where sex is some dirty, filthy, horrible necessity, then people having sex would hardly be worth noting much less scoffing at.
in other words - it only breaks your heart to see your daughter posing because the act is considered evil, not because it is inherently bad.
it wouldn't affect you at all to see her eat pork but it would if you were moslem......
is she physically injured? no - is it enjoyable to her? maybe....but the only thing making it evil is the place society puts it in...it has no natural or god-given place, we define it every day.
an "awesome sexual relationship" to the pious may be mary laying back once a year while jebadiah does the 'filthy deed', wishing he could pray a baby into existance rather than have to do such a dirty, horrible, corporeal, squishy thing.
of course he wouldn't dare think that thought because such insolence would surely result in the very suitable punishment of an infinite, relentless torture upon his death for daring to question the divine way..... instead of blindly quivering with inspired fear as commanded....
sexual thoughts are natural - repressing them is abnormal. i will never be able to live that way in my lifetime because i too am programmed a certain way like everyone else, but eventually we may get it right....sexual monogamy may always have some useful biological role but those who choose not to live that way may one day walk the earth 'un-smitten'.
....see a catholic priest for an example of what happens to people who try to repress their natural tendencies for too long...now they are thinking about allowing marriage among priests?! but...but..but...i thought it was a divine and infallable directive right from god via the pope(who also infallably represents the word of god)? now it's maybe 'not-divine'? so it was......wrong? GASP!
hmmmmm who's really pullin' the switches.....i guess the bus will rattle dangerously out of control along this dirt road with us cowering in the back until we realize the driver isn't invisible, he's not there! and that if we don't want to go off a curve, we need to take the wheel. decriminalizing various aspects of nature will be step one.
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Originally posted by mrfish
if sex were put back into perspective as a regular bodily function and taken out of the dark primitive realm of superstition where sex is some dirty, filthy, horrible necessity, then people having sex would hardly be worth noting much less scoffing at.
In other words, Hawaii before the missionaries showed up.
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Amen! (no pun intended) ;)
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Originally posted by miko2d
For those interested in subject of american porn I recommendchesking this link - I watched the expose and it was very educational.
American Porn (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn)
Why was the other thread closed? It was a very civil discussion. Was some rule violated?
miko
Excellent report. Thanx Miko...
One more reason to like Janet Reno. :D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
In other words, Hawaii before the missionaries showed up.
A good buddy of mine who is a 70 year old Hawaiian is fond of saying that the Missionaries told the Hawaiians to bow their heads and pray- They looked up and their land was gone.
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Gawd. Nothing wrong with porn. Its all natural sex. Getting nasty with a girl is fun. Porn is just getting nasty while on film.
It is human life. Just think of what our parents did while they where funking. It is only harmless sex untill the PUPPIES POP OUT!
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Well I think you people are right. I truly appreciate the time and effort that ya'll put forth to educate me on the situation we have been discussing. I appologize wholeheartedly to anyone who I may have offended or insulted. As always, my prayers go out to each and every one of you. Friends and Foes. Take care.
sincerely, Zap
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I just want to know this.
A man dies and goes to heaven. If heaven is truely paradise, where he gets what he's always wanted, and never get anything bad...
...then isn't Heaven a porno flick?
Hans.
P.S. Make that a porno flick with Maralyn Monroe?
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lol/......in japan porn is nothing. they sell it at news stands. allmost anyone can buy it. it would be like a 13 year old comeing home with a sports illustrated swim suit eddition(sp?).
but the oly ting tat can be shown is b00bz everythign eles is blured.
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Well said again mrfish. Good spin on the topic.
I'm of the opinion porn is fine and healthy. Its a natural human response to enjoy sex and enjoy looking at sexual acts. Don't try being something you're not, we're all human and theres nothing wrong with acting human. The human body is a fine thing and sex is there to be enjoyed not hushed up. Why was it made enjoyable if its such a dirty pass-time? Where are the harmful side-effects (yes i know there are STD's. you get food poisoning if you're not careful, but i dont see food banned).
As long as ALL participants are willing participants and are of the right age for that country, whats the problem? Who's being exploited when they're paid well and they chose to do it? Its a job to them, a well paid job. I don't have the exact link but go looking for Asia Carerra's webpage. She maintains the site herself and as far as i know its regularly updated. The content's interesting, with insights into the industry and what she does.
If you don't like looking at porn or reading it don't do so. Its that easy. For the rest of you, go on enjoying what you know is good for you. Let them miss out if they want :).
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OK, time to blow the "exploitation tards out of the water" AND make myself a god to the FDBs at the same time.
I have a young friend, shes in her early 20's, attractive, nice body, fun person. For a few years now shes enjoyed the scope of the net. Even met a canuck lad, flew over to see him for 3 weeks. She has many friends on the net. One of her hobbies was (and is) CU-Seeme. For those of you not familiar with CU-Seeme, it allows multi-point video conferencing and easy to use. IE, you can have up to 16 people with cams, and they can all look at multiple cams at once - yes a cyber-sex-orgy of sorts :D
Anyway, this friend of mine, Kay, enjoyed herself on CU-Seeme on a regular basis, much to the delight of many males. One day I stumbled across this site: http://www.goddexx.com (HT/Pyro don't kill me for posting a link, coz I'm dead serious about this). Basically its stripping online. I forwarded it to her, she said "hmmm I can make money doing something I enjoy".
Voila. A net stripper is born. Now, whos to say porn stars wouldn't be having sex anyway? And that all they are getting is better sex AND paid for it?
Obviously there are two sides to the porn industry. It certainly has its share of 'exploitees', but how is this worse than the tobacco and alcohol industries? Heres an example of someone who is making cold hard $$$ earn't on the backs of mens libido's.
p.s. guys, yes I took those photos for her :) and if you do buy a session please tell her Vulcan sent ya!
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Two me there is nothing wrong with porn or even prostitution. The Governments job is to create, enforce, and judge OUR laws. If a woman wants to trade sex for money, it really is her choice.
The problem is keeping it fair.
Would I ever go to a hooker? NO! I'm too scared of illigitamate kids and AIDS. I even hate strip clubs. They're too depressing, though not pitty for the women, but for me. I've got no real chance with these exciting women, so why go? To quote Chris Rock, "There is NO sex in the Champaign Room."
If I ever have kids, I want them to grow up and find Mr/Miss Pefect and live happily ever after...COMPLETE WITH A SEX LIFE THAT WOULD SET THE WORLD ON FIRE!
I want sex, you want sex, your wife wants sex, your mother wants sex, your grandmother in her time wanted sex. Hell, even Catholic Priests want sex...er....OK that was a bad example, but you get the picture.
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Maddonna agrees that sexism is exploitative.
And thanks you for your dollars.....
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Hey Vulcan,
Kay is hot.