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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: hblair on March 20, 2002, 10:39:55 AM
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It came up recently in court testimony that the parents of a San Diego girl who was kidnapped and murdered had been smoking marijuana the night their daughter dissapeared. They didn't notice her gone til the next day.
Here's (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/14/van.dam.girl/index.html) the story. Is it responsible to smoke marijuana while you are at home looking after your children? Doesn't it make you less sharp mentally?
Comments?
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not if you share with your kids :D
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they were out of alcool ?
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Originally posted by hblair
It came up recently in court testimony that the parents of a San Diego girl who was kidnapped and murdered had been smoking marijuana the night their daughter dissapeared. They didn't notice her gone til the next day.
Here's (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/14/van.dam.girl/index.html) the story. Is it responsible to smoke marijuana while you are at home looking after your children? Doesn't it make you less sharp mentally?
Comments?
Some people it makes dumber than a bowl of rocks others it helps stimulate thought. Some it makes tired, some it make hyper (it is a stimulant). It looks to me like these people had a sicko neighbor who is now busted. I've heard the anti-potters say that it's the parents fault that their child got kidnapped. Hmmm I wonder if they would have heard him breakin if they were sober? My guess is probobly not, the stuff doesn't effect hearing that I know of. Also in terms of marijuana, I've had emergencies hit while I was under the influence. I've always tripped out at how fast the mind comes back and the buzz goes away. There's a saying for it "buzzkill" What about the mom going out to bars and drinking?
The sad trueth is that they had a freaking demented neighbor who kidnapped and killed their little girl (allegedly). He did it, not them. He's responsible, not them, not pot, not booze. Could the parents have done more? I think that's up to them to decide, which I'm sure they will.
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Depends how shrecked you get on it.
It's like alcohol: Do ya have a little drinky every night or do ya get rolling-on-the-floor-blind-drunk every night?
Personally I see nothing wrong with moderate (albeit almost constant) use of marijuana. When the lads are over it's a good excuse to get completely toasted until ya cant even remember your name.......in which case ya really shouldn't be doing stuff like driving / looking after kids / talking to policemen.
Is it ok to have a beer when the kids are around? Yup.
Is it ok to get blind drunk when the kids are around? Nope.
Is it ok to have a joint or two when the kids are around? Prolly.
Is it ok to get so toasted ya cant even stand up when the kids are around? Nope.
There's degrees to everything. How shrecked do *you* get after one joint? And how big was the joint?
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Pot is absolutely harmless. Anyone who could somehow conclude that this little girl was murdered because her parents got stoned is almost as pathetic as anyone who wants to turn this tragedy into an anti-pot statement.
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Moderation is the key to ANYTHING you do in your life.
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Or they used it as a scapegoat.
Either way, this would of been no different than if the parents were drinking.
-SW
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I wouldnt say it's harmless.
I went to college with a guy who used to roll massive joints, light it, take a sniff of the end (NOTE: Not a drag of the joint....a SNIFF of the burning end of it) and pass it on. After 2 or 3 of these (1 sniff per joint only) he'd be so stoned he couldnt walk / speak / focus.........the guy had such a low tollerance he could get whacked off of a blim.........lucky bastard. ;)
But I certainly wouldnt trust him to look after my kids (if I had any) after a joint.
And there's more to consider.......
What were they smokin?
I mean a light, Morrocan Goldseal hash makes me all hyper, chatty and quick thinking. Purple Haze turns me into a zombie with no capacity for independant thought.
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Originally posted by Swoop
he'd be so stoned he couldnt walk / speak / focus......
Ive never tried the stuff myself, and I never will. But I have to ask, is this what you want to achieve? Heck when I'm piss drunk I cant walk either, but at least it has taken me a good couple of hours of alcoholic beverage-fun to get there.
I just dont get it I suppose.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
But I have to ask, is this what you want to achieve?
All depends who you ask.
For me personally? Nope. The desired effect to is expand the mind not to subdue it into submission.
Some people do though......but I daresay they'd be alcoholics if they weren't stoners.
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Pot is not harmless.
it isn't dangerous as a drug IMO, but it has many of the same toxins as cigarettes.
and it does make you lazy and forgetfull.. but that's about it.
It sounds like a scapegoat in this case.
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Actually, if you smoke a joint you're enhaling the same amount of toxins/carcinogens as a pack of smokes.
Although I don't think this should even come into question, whether someone wants to destroy their body or not is none of anyone's damn business. They still sell packs of smokes and advertise the hell out of 'em, don't they?
Under the influence, it does make you lazy and forgetful... but how forgetful depends on your priorities.
Obviously, watching their kid was not one of their priorities.
-SW
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The best way to get high is to feed your pot to a cow and then drink its milk. Not only are you building strong teeth and bones, but you'll get wasted too.
Personally I've graduated from pot onto ice cream. I eat it as fast as I can to induce a massive brain freeze. What a rush!!!!
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wanted to add but skwulfe beat me to it :)
as for comparissons.. alcohol is much more dangerous than pot.
impairs judgement more severly etc.
so to say pot is harmless isn't true.. but it's not as bad as a lot of other 'legal' things.
and besides, at least one gets a buzz from pot..
what do you get from ciggies? bad breath/cancer... 'bout it.
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For that matter, nothing you ingest is harmless.
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Actually, if you smoke a joint you're enhaling the same amount of toxins/carcinogens as a pack of smokes.
Ya know I hear this argument loads and it's rubbish.
How big was the joint? Was it purely grass or a tobacco / grass mix? If tobacco what kind and how much? How was the joint smoked, holding each drag in or just like a cigarette?
If ya roll a joint that uses half of a normal cigarette and a pinch of strong grass.....then smoke it like a cigarette how can it be as bad as a whole pack of cigarettes if it only used the tobacco of half a cigarette?
If ya roll a joint that's 12" long and uses 6 cigarettes worth of tobacco and then ya smoke it holding in each drag for 30 seconds then sure......then it might be as bad as smoking 20 cigarettes. (NOTE: Done it. Takes 20 minutes to roll the joint and 45 minutes to smoke it......and dont try to stand afterwards).
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You are from Britain, so I shall forgive you Swoop.
Why in the world would you ever smoke tobacco with pot? Roll a joint, use rolling papers.. no tobacky in the equation.. just the wacky tobacky.
A blunt, using a cigar leaf, would have tobacco in it.
And, I'm talking about filtered smokes, not un-filtered smokes. Un-filtered smokes have way more toxins/carcinogens than filtered.
However, this is a joint. The toxins/carcinogens are slightly less with a bowl, and much less if filtered using a water bong.
-SW
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
and besides, at least one gets a buzz from pot..
what do you get from ciggies? bad breath/cancer... 'bout it.
I used to get a buzz from cigarettes, not a long one, but I'd get dizzy for about 5 minutes after smoking one. Now? I get "unpissed" if I'm stressed, but that's about it.
Got a dude here at work who's an alcoholic. Real sad. He's always late for work, comes in with hangover and alcohol breath, pissed attitude because of hangover. I've never experienced that with the green, and I would consider myself an "alcoholic" pot abuser.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY[/i][/u] :rolleyes:
My parents taught me that was the most important thing in life. Didn't others?
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Anyone who could somehow conclude that this little girl was murdered because her parents got stoned is almost as pathetic as anyone who wants to turn this tragedy into an anti-pot statement.
You're right. But who is trying to do that?
Ok, we have established some facts.
1. The guy who murdered that little girl is a monster and is soley guilty in her death.
2. Marijuana is not good for your body.
3. Alcohol can be a more dangerous drug than marijuana.
But, what I was getting at in the original post was questioning whether it's good parenting to be smoking dope and/or drinking when you're looking after young ones. Did the ladies consumption of marijuana and/or alcohol impair her judgement when she arrived home and caused her to not check on her children? The husband had smoked marijuana earlier. Could he have perhaps been less sharp to hearing noises in the home? That's what I'm getting at.
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Why in the world would you ever smoke tobacco with pot?
:D Sorry I keep forgetting I'm talkin to Yanks.
If you rolled a pure grass joint using some normal Dutch grass like "White Widow" or "Merry Crystal" then you would not be capable of any kind of rational thought, motor control or any other expression other than "Meep". The gutters of the streets in Amsterdam are generally full of American tourists who seem to think they can smoke pure grass joints in Holland.
The nasty, home grown toejame you lads get over there has to be smoked pure or ya wouldnt notice it. ;)
Ok, ok, thats a generalisation but it's still true. Come to Holland and try to smoke it pure if ya dont believe me. Even the soapbar hash we get in Britain is only smokable when mixed......it'll blow your socks off if smoked pure.
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no.. I think it's a scapegoat.
that is, unless the parents were totally drunk or stoned beyond compreshension.
I can speak from experience.. when I got stoned I could hear if something was 'wrong' in the house...unless I was totally unconcious. you know.. like sleep :)
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swoop .. been there done that.
better not mixed IMO.
just imbide less.
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This isn't a case of pot making someone a dead beat parent, this is a case of deadbeat parents smoking pot....it could have been and the results would have been the same.
As far as toxins/carcinogens from pot?......that's why God invented water bongs.
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I don't know Udie.. the people I see getting fired on a regular basis are frequent mirijuana smokers. And to say that drinking makes you any more/less pissy is definately to be taken on a case by case analysis. BTW... here at work... I've NEVER seen anyone fired for use. Only based on work performance.
I've not met the stoner that was more/less mellow when not lighting up.
The real irony of these pot/alcohol threads is the assumption that its either one or the other. Some of the most prolific pot smokers I've known have always combined it with alcohol. Coincidently, these people were some of the stupidest I have ever met. Not because of what they were doing... but how they acted in general. Complete and total morons.
Use of alcohol and mirijuana have an affect on your life. How much or how little can be dictated and is not consistant from user to user.
AKDejaVu
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Depends Hb. I already stated that it all depends on your priorities. And obviously their child was not among their priorities.
Maybe the munchies got a hold of their better judgement.......
Prolly not though..
But, would marijuana cause them to not hear noises? Absolutely not, while marijuana dumbs down your reaction time, like alchohol, your auditory awareness is at very high levels.
The question shouldn't be would being under the influence of pot/booze cause you to not be a good parent... the question should be was pot/booze for these people a good idea?
Obviously, if you have a young child that needs to be watched over then both parents should definitely not be under the influence of anything.
Was them being under the influence the cause for their daughter to wander off? Or was it their lack of responsibility or priorities while under the influence that caused this?
-SW
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Swoop, no denying the stuff I can get my hands on "regularly" here is a far cry from decent.
I don't call it dirt weed for nothing, but every once 'n a while the good stuff comes around. Stuff that makes your fingers sticky just feeling it through the baggy. :D
Never mixed it though, always straight.
I've pencil packed an ounce into a Philly Blunt and smoked that with 2 other guys. "high as a kite" took on a whole new meaning then. ;)
-SW
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What Swulfie said.
There's too many unknowns here.
How much had they smoked?
Were they both completely off their faces and incapable of rational thought?
Do they do this often?
Were they aware that the dope was having a major effect and numbing their senses to a point of black out?
Is this all a bunch of crap and they'd had 1 mild joint and the kid woulda been snatched anyway cos the TV was too loud?
We dont know.......but they'll always be the anti-pot crowd who'll claim thats the reason the kid was taken.
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Wander Off? I believe the State is going to claim she was kidnapped from her home.
What if the parents were building cabinets in the garage? The marijuana was not a cause of the abduction. How many of you check on your kids regularly after 10 - 11 - 12 at night.
Is marijuana harmful? Yes. I smoked it for at least 15 years and probably never missed a day. I can honestly say I lived a fairly normal life for those 15 years, but it was also far from optimal. I was definitely not at my best, and the MJ was the reason. Anyone who says differently is deluding themselves.
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Anytime you inhale smoke from burning matter, you are harming yourself.
Smoking anything is just plain stupid. Ingesting THC for medicinal reasons is justifiable and Im confident, worthwhile.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
I don't know Udie.. the people I see getting fired on a regular basis are frequent mirijuana smokers. And to say that drinking makes you any more/less pissy is definately to be taken on a case by case analysis. BTW... here at work... I've NEVER seen anyone fired for use. Only based on work performance.
yeah, I should have said "in my experience" :) To be 100% honest, if I smoke right before I go to bed I wake up with a pot "hangover" though it only consist of being tired, not headache or anything like a booze hangover.
I've not met the stoner that was more/less mellow when not lighting up.
hehe you should see me in traffic going home after work, then see me 10 min after being home ;)
The real irony of these pot/alcohol threads is the assumption that its either one or the other. Some of the most prolific pot smokers I've known have always combined it with alcohol. Coincidently, these people were some of the stupidest I have ever met. Not because of what they were doing... but how they acted in general. Complete and total morons.
I agree 100%! Pot acts like a multiplier to alchol, by a factor of 9 by the way :) I don't mix unless I'm at home or know I won't be driving at all. I do have to make the comment that the people might be just as stupid sober, and maybe that's why they use.
Use of alcohol and mirijuana have an affect on your life. How much or how little can be dictated and is not consistant from user to user.
true true true. It all comes down to personal responsibility in the end. I quit smoking durring the day about 10 years ago. WOW my career started about 2 months after that. I know that when I smoked 42/7 that was what I did, it was who I was. I snapped that if I wanted to get some where in life that I'd have to stop. So tried and was succesful for a while. Then I started up again only this time I only use at night, except on the weekends. I've been doing it this way for 10 years now with success. Yes there are times when I over do it. But overall I know when to and when not to use. Then again I have a "goal" that I'm striving for right now so herb kinda takes a back seat.
but that's just me :) results may/will vary ;)
Fact remains that it's alot more safe to use (alone) than alcohol. You mix booze with most other drugs and there's a good chance you will stop your lungs from working and die. Not so w/ pot. The other fact is that it's as dangerous as tabacco to use, but with an actual effect other than cancer. It's illegal and the other 2 are legal. I think it's because there are too many ignorant people out there who think they know everything about something they've never even tried. If they had it would be legal and we wouldn't keep having these threads :)
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I've never met a pothead I could trust with money - caue they usually have very little and when they get some - it goes for a bag as priority #1.
However if you have a llife of sitting around playing video games I suppose it isn't a real detriment.
-W
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And those people we call "pathetic" Ratbo.
Truth be told, you walk around DC and you'll find bums sitting around on the streets. Perfectly literate, even capable of making rhymes... and all that goes to is making a rhyme "Gimme some money, so I can go buy a foahtee" As far as I know, Schlitz don't make marijauna in bottles.
There's a lot of people on both sides of the spectrum no matter what. Even people that have never touched drugs can be homeless, this isn't exactly rocket science here. Some people can make it, others can't- drugs (and this includes nicotine and alchohol) only plays into it because these people didn't WANT to not be all effed up in their life and in the end, effed up their life.
If you have the drive/determination to make something of your life, then whatever you do on the sidelines won't interfere with your goals.
Of course, many never got this and these are the poster children for anti-drug posters.
I mean, imagine it. A successful business man running his own company and pulling in $300,000 a year... with a weekend pot habit. That just don't work for the anti-drug people.
-SW
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have to agree with Udie 100%
I had the same experience.. once I stopped being a 'wake-n-baker' I found my career... haven't looked back since.
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Originally posted by Ratbo
I've never met a pothead I could trust with money - caue they usually have very little and when they get some - it goes for a bag as priority #1.
However if you have a llife of sitting around playing video games I suppose it isn't a real detriment.
-W
I gotta smile at this one.
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Hmm lets see.... inhaling smoke is bad for ones lungs...can anyone dispute this???
short term memory impairment???? i i dunno what do you think? All i know is the early 90's are a blur.
exorbitant prices due to a black market creates a financial problem as well..
geez...i guess it is not harmless...
now quit bogarting that joint !!!!!:eek:
However....when is the last time you heard about someone being so stoned they ran down a pedestrian or rammed another car head on?
Or...for that matter...when is the last time you heard of college kids binge smoking themselves into coma or death....
its clearly a complicated matter. personally i think they should either make it legal or make alcohol illegal.. one or the other...but then again..im an just an uneducated american clod...so i must apologize for my humble opinions.
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Originally posted by Udie
It all comes down to personal responsibility in the end. I quit smoking durring the day about 10 years ago. WOW my career started about 2 months after that.
Funny, I was a lazy, good for nothin, nasty, bad tempered no hoper workin as a security guard BEFORE I discovered pot. Then I woke up, went to college, got a propar job (and, notably, got fit) and a career once I started smoking regularly.
Go figure.
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Pot is absolutely harmless. Anyone who could somehow conclude that this little girl was murdered because her parents got stoned is almost as pathetic as anyone who wants to turn this tragedy into an anti-pot statement.
yeah no kidding. cheap way to advance your agenda. and no bigger way to show you know zero about the real effects of marijuana. i'm kinda surprised really, i saw the thread title and expected an intelligent argument.
i don't know about 'absolutely' harmless, i mean even coffee carries a health penalty, but the implication that weed caused there child to disappear is plebian at best.
i guess it'd be ok if they were drinking or reaching for a nicotine joint every 10 minutes with a shakey addicted hand.....then the issue would just be their parenting skills.
go watch 'reefer madness' for more truths about marijuana - if you buy this then it's right up your alley - also i'll send you a magic email and if you pass it along to 10 people you'll have good luck all day.
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Originally posted by Swoop
If you rolled a pure grass joint using some normal Dutch grass like "White Widow" or "Merry Crystal" then you would not be capable of any kind of rational thought, motor control or any other expression other than "Meep". The gutters of the streets in Amsterdam are generally full of American tourists who seem to think they can smoke pure grass joints in Holland.
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ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!11 OMG, just Spewed water on monitor! "Meep, Meep" :):)
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I mean, imagine it. A successful business man running his own company and pulling in $300,000 a year... with a weekend pot habit. That just don't work for the anti-drug people.
I couldn’t agree more. I actually know one of those “CEO” types, as well as any number of doctors, dentists, lawyers, accountants, the occasional police officer who had to quit only because of drug testing, top salesmen (talk about a motivational career), writers, publishers, more IT people than I can shake a stick at, good mothers and fathers, a chemist, psychologist... well, the list goes on. There is even a study that shows occasional MJ users to have less absenteeism and more productivity than their peers (they probably stick around longer being abused at dead-end jobs too :) ). Lacking real science to support the war on drugs, particularly where MJ is concerned, we are left with heavy-handed propaganda of the “Reefer Madness” ilk.
I have seen cocaine and alcohol ruin people's lives (that I actually know first hand), but I have yet to see marijuana do the same. I have endangered my life and others’ a shameful number of times under the influence of alcohol. However, aggressive tendencies are not associated with MJ, and the burnouts that I have come across struck me as being on the slow track regardless of their drug of choice.
Is MJ a vitamin -- obviously not, though it actually can help in some medical conditions. But it's rather hypocritical to get down on MJ while kicking back with a 6-pack. Hey, if we’re not going to get around to decriminalizing MJ like much of Europe and even Canada seems to be doing, then I DEMAND we re-criminalize alcohol and tobacco too (though tobacco is almost there already). It’s only fair, and it would allow us to further weaken our civil rights while expanding the already bloated, entrenched and monolithic drug bureaucracies and the criminal industrial complex.
The problem is, the anti-drug bureaucracies are so entrenched that a realistic debate on the issue is unlikely. They are already targeting “seizures” based more on the $ value of the property than the potential criminality, with sometimes fatal results. Reducing or refocusing the criminalization effort into a treatment scheme would hurt the DEA/ATF/local police departments in the manpower and budget areas -- anyone who is in charge of something with a budget knows how appealing personally reduced importance and reduced funding are. These efforts will be resisted as strongly as any proposed changes to simplify taxation and reduce the power of the IRS, whether they are needed or not. It’s amazing how much individual liberty we, as citizens, have allowed slip away in the fight against drugs. Probable cause = individual whim now. Just wait until they decide to outlaw handgun ownership, or any number of pet issues that some find important, while others find ridiculous.
Charon
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Originally posted by Udie
I've never experienced that with the green, and I would consider myself an "alcoholic" pot abuser.
Puff.. Puff.. Give
Puff.. Puff.. Give
Yer messin up the rotation!
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I saw a great quote once,
"No-one has ever declared war with a joint in their hand. The same cannot be said for alcohol."
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Originally posted by Curval
"No-one has ever declared war with a joint in their hand."
I have.
but then to find me without a joint in hand is pretty rare.
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what were we just talking about?
:eek: :cool: :D :p :o :D :cool: :eek:
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we were talking about you makin' a run for munchies...
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Originally posted by mrfish
yeah no kidding. cheap way to advance your agenda. and no bigger way to show you know zero about the real effects of marijuana. i'm kinda surprised really, i saw the thread title and expected an intelligent argument.
i don't know about 'absolutely' harmless, i mean even coffee carries a health penalty, but the implication that weed caused there child to disappear is plebian at best.
i guess it'd be ok if they were drinking or reaching for a nicotine joint every 10 minutes with a shakey addicted hand.....then the issue would just be their parenting skills.
go watch 'reefer madness' for more truths about marijuana - if you buy this then it's right up your alley - also i'll send you a magic email and if you pass it along to 10 people you'll have good luck all day.
mmkay.
I haven't said anything negative about marijuana above. This thread was started to try and get some good debate going about the pros and cons of smoking marijuana (and/or alcohol) while looking after children. All I've gotten so far is a couple of jokes, some paranoid suggestions, endorsement from someone who is close friends to a top exec, lawyers, dentists, doctors, IT people, writers, etc. who all smoke pot, as well as claims that smoking marijuana increases work productivity. ;)
I am not condemning the parents of the girl. I can't imagine what they're going through right now. I've done much worse than what they did that night. What I am saying is that I don't think it's a good idea to smoke marijuana and/or drink while looking after young children.
Why not?
Well, Why?
Why can't you wait? Ask yourself why you feel you need to light up a joint? Why do you want to be buzzed when watching your kids?
I smoked pot for over 10 years guys, I know what it's like to stoned or to be slightly buzzed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "slightly buzzed" is not the same as being straight? If one of you is going to tell me that being slightly buzzed makes you sharper you need to get a new supplier because your getting ripped. I smoked my last joint 5-6 years ago. Was off with an old high school buddy, he had some weed, we lit up and rode motorcycles. I went home later stilll buzzed. My son (about 3yrs old at the time) met me at the door and he could tell something wasn't right. It then hit me that looking at my kids thru glazed eyes and a buzzed brain is just plain irresponsible.
I'm sure I'm going to hear some good stories about how MJ is no big deal, ya just gotta be responsible. But then if you were responsible, you wouldn't be lighting up around your kids, would ya ?
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
we were talking about you makin' a run for munchies...
Funions maaan alright! :D
mmmmm and butterfingers and cheese puffs and m&m's and nachos and some of those little cream filled yellow bread thingies maaan yeah!
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Originally posted by hblair
mmkay.
I haven't said anything negative about marijuana above. This thread was started to try and get some good debate going about the pros and cons of smoking marijuana (and/or alcohol) while looking after children. All I've gotten so far is a couple of jokes, some paranoid suggestions, endorsement from someone who is close friends to a top exec, lawyers, dentists, doctors, IT people, writers, etc. who all smoke pot, as well as claims that smoking marijuana increases work productivity. ;)
I am not condemning the parents of the girl. I can't imagine what they're going through right now. I've done much worse than what they did that night. What I am saying is that I don't think it's a good idea to smoke marijuana and/or drink while looking after young children. Why not? Well, Why? Why can't you wait? Ask yourself why you feel you need to light up a joint? Why do you want to be buzzed when watching your kids?
I smoked pot for over 10 years guys, I know what it's like to stoned or to be slightly buzzed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "slightly buzzed" is not the same as being straight? If one of you is going to tell me that being slightly buzzed makes you sharper you need to get a new supplier because your getting ripped. I smoked my last joint 5-6 years ago. Was off with an old high school buddy, he had some weed, we lit up and rode motorcycles. I went home later stilll buzzed. My son (about 3yrs old at the time) met me at the door and he could tell something wasn't right. It then hit me that looking at my kids thru glazed eyes and a buzzed brain is just plain irresponsible.
I'm sure I'm going to hear some good stories about how MJ is no big deal, ya just gotta be responsible. But then if you were responsible, you wouldn't be lighting up around your kids, would ya ?
Ok back to topic :) No I don't think it's a good idea. I imagine I'll quit when I have a family. I just won't have time to spend on it at that point. If I have a family and still smoke pot, it will be because my wife does too and it will only be after the kids are in bed. Poor kids will get used to that 4:30 pm bed time after a few years :rolleyes:
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fried stuff and cheese! hehe
HB, actually I did answer you above.
I think it was not the reason for the abduction...
it is not responsible to be smoking/drinking around kids...
and.. it's all a matter of degree.
One can have a drink and call it social drinking...
many and you're a drunk.
same reasoning for dope..
and yeah.. why do you think they call it dope :)
but pot is not dangerous IMO.
just leads to the munchies... and sleep..
where are those funions??
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Hb, I answered your question in a much earlier post....
"Depends Hb. I already stated that it all depends on your priorities. And obviously their child was not among their priorities.
Maybe the munchies got a hold of their better judgement.......
Prolly not though..
But, would marijuana cause them to not hear noises? Absolutely not, while marijuana dumbs down your reaction time, like alchohol, your auditory awareness is at very high levels.
The question shouldn't be would being under the influence of pot/booze cause you to not be a good parent... the question should be was pot/booze for these people a good idea?
Obviously, if you have a young child that needs to be watched over then both parents should definitely not be under the influence of anything.
Was them being under the influence the cause for their daughter to wander off? Or was it their lack of responsibility or priorities while under the influence that caused this?"
If you want a better answer, I will oblige you. Just reply and I'll get a reply to you in a few hours after class.
-SW
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Well, the productivity issue is not really as odd as it seems Hblair. Obviously, doing drugs on the job can have a negative impact, but casual use off the job doesn’t seem to have much of an impact at all.
NORML 1 (http://www.norml.org/legal/faulty.shtml) NORML 2 (http://norml.org/news/archives/98-11-19.shtml#story3)
To get back on topic (though I don’t think I was that far off topic given the somewhat moralistic implication behind the initial post), as far as using any substance (alcohol, MJ etc.) around a child, although It's something I have yet to face I would hope that there is some leeway for letting one’s hair down hours after a 7 year old child has been put to bed.
Her husband stayed home to watch the kids, they were fed and put to bed, and she went out partying for the night. Sounds like a familiar scenario for my friends who have children. Nor can I find any indication that their impairment (including alcohol) contributed in any substantial way to the kidnapping. Perhaps leaving the alarm inactivated with the garage door open, but then how many times does stuff like that happen by accident anyway. There have been plenty of similar kidnappings in the past without any impairment involved at all. It's not like she took the girl to a park, got high, and then drove off forgetting her.
Personally, I have never been so impaired on MJ that I couldn’t react reasonably to something like a fire or trauma, except in those initial experiences when you can’t really feel the top of your head for quite some time. In fact, this was proven very recently when a drunk, who was “dancing” around a bonfire made out of shipping pallets rolled into the fire. I crossed 20 yards before anyone else moved (30 or 40 standing around much closer than I with their mouths' open) and was there in time to help pull him from the fire (he was already rolling out, using his hands to push off the wood), pour some valuable Guiness on his smoking hand to cool the embedded embers, organize the trip to the hospital, and convince the drunk that he actually needed to go “…dude, you have third degree burns, you ARE going to the hospital.” And it wasn't even my party! Good old Army training stays with you for life I guess : ) Incidentally, he was back a couple of hours later drinking a beer with his bandaged hands and goofing off again. I bet the joke was on him in the morning though, when the booze wore off, since he was too drunk to be given a prescription for pain killers at the time :) Anyway, it’s hard to see the MJ as being a significant factor in that poor girl’s death, though I don’t doubt some (not referring to you Hblair) will play that angle to suit their own purposes.
Charon
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Well, I was gonna add somein... but Charon basically said what I was going to and he was much more to the point.
-SW
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However, aggressive tendencies are not associated with MJ, and the burnouts that I have come across struck me as being on the slow track regardless of their drug of choice.
i've been trying to find a way to say that concisely for ages - good job ;) nice posts.
and.....
"I smoked it for at least 15 years and probably never missed a day. I can honestly say I lived a fairly normal life for those 15 years, but it was also far from optimal. I was definitely not at my best, and the MJ was the reason. Anyone who says differently is deluding themselves."
hey whaddya know- a realistic take on MJ for a change. somewhere between the 'it ruins your life and makes you go to hell and i wish god would kill those naughty sinners' crowd and the 'it took 10lbs off my waist, cleaned my gutters, and added years to my life!' crowd lies the truth.
you're definitley not sharp when it's effects are present but if you temper your usage you'll do fine.
being "optimal" requires not just abstinance from MJ but a lot of other things as well. how many of us are optimal....any olympic skaters in the crowd?
i'm just tired of hearing idiotic charges that MJ sent someone's life spiraling out of control. blame a weak mind not the drug.
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I will be honest, all this talk of weed has me wanting to roll up a hog's leg and watch some seinfeld.
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I am a member or the australian branch of NORML,smoke most days and you know,
Moderation is the key to ANYTHING you do in your life
Rip said it all :)
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Had a friend end up in Prince of Wales Hospital psychiatric ward with Drug induced psychosis and she only did Marijuana.
My best man does alot of marijuana with no ill effects. He gave up alcohol because he was an agressive drunk and always ended up in a fight. When he smokes, he fine (which is good, cause he is a massive bloody samoan!).
imho smoking pot is no more harmful than drinking, like already posted moderation is the key.
Tronsky
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Pot smoking is bad for you, look what it did to this guy (http://images.ogrish.com/weirdness2.jpg)
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Make alcohol illegal? The US has been there and done that. Amendment 18 to the US Constitution. 12 years later, Amendment 21 repealed the 18th Amendment.
In light of this, why we continue this "war on drugs" in its current form is a little beyond me. We haven't learned from history that is less than 100 years old?