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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on March 21, 2002, 10:08:14 AM
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Seen these?
(http://home.earthlink.net/~ripsnort/Funnys/midair2.jpg)
Rest are linked to save on refreshing the page…
Collision 2 (http://home.earthlink.net/~ripsnort/Funnys/midair3.jpg)
Collision 3 (http://home.earthlink.net/~ripsnort/Funnys/midair5.jpg)
Collision 4 (http://home.earthlink.net/~ripsnort/Funnys/midair7.jpg)
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Reminds me of this One Wing Landing (http://members.tripod.com/flightworld/f15/wingoff.htm)
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So what happened to it?
And why on earth did he drop his arrestor hook before landing?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
So what happened to it?
And why on earth did he drop his arrestor hook before landing?
I'm guessing it collided with the plane in the Collision #4 pic. I'm also guessing that the arrestor hook deployment was probably not by choice, but by damage possibly caused by hydraulic failure.
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or he was using his arrestor hook as an emergency hook to stop quickly like most fighters will do.....
thats why F16's and F15's have then even tho they are not navy..
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Originally posted by scooby
or he was using his arrestor hook as an emergency hook to stop quickly like most fighters will do.....
thats why F16's and F15's have then even tho they are not navy..
Err..unless there's an arrestor wire, the hook doesn't do much, does it?
Oh, and F15's don't have arrestor hooks, F14's do though.
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In picture 4 you can see the arresting cable. IMO it looks like they were praticing carrier landings and had a slight collision. Looks like everyone came out of it OK tho (thank God)
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Some F-15's do have hooks.
"The most outstanding Eagle save was by a pilot from a foreign air force. During air combat training his two seater F-15 was involved in a mid air collision with an A-4 Skyhawk. The A-4 crashed, and the Eagle lost it's right wing from about 2ft. outboard. After some confusion between the instructor who said eject, and the student who outranked his instructor and said no, the F-15 was landed at it's desert base. Touching down at 290 Kts., the hook was dropped for an approach and engagement. This slowed the F-15 to 100 Kts, when the hook weak link sheared, and the aircraft was then braked conventionally. It is said that the student was later demoted for disobeying his instructor, then promoted for saving the aircraft.
McDonnell Douglas attributes the saving of this aircraft to the amount of lift generated by the engine intake/body and "a hell of a good pilot".
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Thats just text to me..provide a link. I'll bet they confused the F14 with the F15..again :rolleyes: ...I'll check with our engineers in St.Louis, they make the F15. They should know.
Smut, chime in here anytime if your viewing this thread, you researched them quite a bit for your simulation..
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The F15 has had a one wing landing twice in Isreal. One was hit by a F16 on take off while the F15 was flying over that base. It made an emergency landing the F16 had to bail. The other. dont know the details but was hit by a plane during traing exercise. I think Airforce bases have a wire on the end of the runway for emergencies like this. Saw a F15 use one at Langley once.
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Air Force bases do have arresting wires. I've seen F-111's take them on numerous occasions. I'm suprised the F-18 has it down though... since the arrestor hook is usually for "rolling would be very bad" types of landings (such as gear malfunctions).
AKDejaVu
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BTW.. you might want to take a look at the first pic Rip linked. See the arrestor hook? See the cable?
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Rip, read my 1st post, the link is there.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Reminds me of this One Wing Landing (http://members.tripod.com/flightworld/f15/wingoff.htm)
Rgr, thks, learn something new every day! Now I'm trying to figure why you'd need an arrestor hook on an F15, its land-based (and the arrestor wires at land-based runways are for Navy practice!)
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umm yes i knok my fighters, and most American military Air force fighters have arrestor hooks to stop them quickly in an emergency.....i kno very well that they have em....i've SEEN them....i even inquiered WHY they were there to an F-15 pilot atr an air show...
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LOL, thats easy.
In case you want to land the sucker with one wing at 290knots.:D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
LOL, thats easy.
In case you want to land the sucker with one wing at 290knots.:D
Fug that! Eject Eject Eject! :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Rgr, thks, learn something new every day! Now I'm trying to figure why you'd need an arrestor hook on an F15, its land-based (and the arrestor wires at land-based runways are for Navy practice!)
The arrester hooks are for emergencies Rip... I have never seen a navy plane practice traps at an Air Force base.
The times I saw the F-111s use it were when gear either didn't come down or it locked partially up. Most of the time, when there is a serious incident, they'll take it just because there's a greater chance of something else happening as the plane rolls down the runway than if it just sits there. No need to ris a hot brake scenario if it can be avoided.
AKDejaVu
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Okay, that would make sense. Wonder if that Israeli plane was an early A model? Guessing it was because I just talked to a St.Louis engineer and he laughed when I asked if the F15 had an arrestor hook.
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The radio started to deliver calls saying that the Skyhawk pilot has ejected, and I understood that the fire ball was the Skyhawk, that exploded, and the pilot was ejected automatically.
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Can someone explain this quote for me? Its from Midnight targets link. What is that automatic system, how does it work and what triggers it? I've never heard about that before, does more airforces have such a system?
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Hortlund,
Explosion probably triggered ejection seat's explosive charge. This happened to Finnish Air Force Saab Draken that crashed short of the runway at Jyväskylä airport. The pilot of the Draken of course died from the initial impact of the crash and at the same time ejection seat's charges were ignited by the impact. It took some time for the accident investigation board to figure out why the pilot was found under the plane remains with parachute deployed...
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Oh, ok then I get it.
On a similar note, a Swedish JA 37 Viggen had a catapult malfunction (either that or a suicide) where the catapult went off while the aircraft was being towed in an underground hangar. Shot the pilot right into teh concrete roof 5 m above the aircraft...
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RIPSNORT!!!!!!!!!!!
Got your attention?
OK, I first saw an arestor hook on a USAF Delta Dagger interceptor. Why do Airforce fighters have arestor hooks? Emergencies. Specifically in Alaska.
During the cold war we posted air defense units up north in Alaska and Canada. The North Pole is actually the shortest route for the USAF and the Red Airforce to nuke each other with bombers.
It also has lots of ice and snow. Ever land a plane on an icy runway and stop using only wheel brakes? It isn't pretty. Thus, the Airforce borrows technology from the Navy and uses arestor wires out on the runoff ends of the runways...just in case. Normally you never use them. But what if the fighter pilot can't stop on a windswept runways full of blowing snow? The USAF can NOT be stopped by the weather. Period. If it can be, the Russians could attack during a blizzard and our fighters couldn't get off the ground.
You also save machines and men during peace time, which is all the Cold War was.