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Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: thrila on March 22, 2002, 11:44:48 AM: article here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1887000/1887281.stm)

i'm happy with the outcome of this case. If someone wishes to die it should be up to them- providing they're sane of course.
Title: Agreed
Post by: midnight Target on March 22, 2002, 12:21:54 PM: So why is Asscroft pulling this Sh*t in Oregon?

Sticking his Nose in Where it Don't Belong (http://www.worldrtd.org/ashcroftarticles.html)

Terrible waste of our AG's resources at this time in our history.
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: Thrawn on March 22, 2002, 12:26:02 PM: Good stuff.

A question though. If I was in a similar situation and lived in Canada. And I had the wherewithal, could I then have myself transferred to England, install myself in an English hospital, and then refuse treatment?
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: AKDejaVu on March 22, 2002, 12:26:38 PM: The issue being adressed is one I don't particularly like. The court is forcing a doctor to end someone's life. Doesn't seem quite right that doctors can be forced to be executioners.

AKDejaVu
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: Mighty1 on March 22, 2002, 12:31:29 PM: It's all about the right to choose.

I see nothing wrong with someone killing themselfs if they want to.
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: Thrawn on March 22, 2002, 01:07:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AKDejaVu
The issue being adressed is one I don't particularly like. The court is forcing a doctor to end someone's life. Doesn't seem quite right that doctors can be forced to be executioners.

AKDejaVu

ex·e·cu·tion·er Pronunciation Key (ks-kysh-nr)
n.
One who executes, especially one who puts a condemned person to death.

Loaded word there. The person isn't condemned to death, the person is chosing death. If the docs don't have the conjones to assist their patient, in this. Then I think a family member, friend, or another trusted person showed be allowed to assist the patient. Barring that, they could devise away for the patient to end thier own life.
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: Fatty on March 22, 2002, 01:18:25 PM: I'm thinking of hiring out to those that can't afford the insurance for the fancy schmancy doctors. $75 and 5 minutes with a crowbar, and it's all over.
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: mrfish on March 22, 2002, 01:25:26 PM: i lived with my grandparents for many years growing up - it's a unique situation because all their friends are dieing.

i went to 10 funeral per year some years, waited through endless body-viewing lines and sermons and spent hours waiting around in nursing homes while my grnadparents got those last few visits in. some of those people were locked up in there for 15 years....

they sit there smelling like piss for the last decade unable to do anything. no way, let me die. you're gonna go anyway, why fight or fear it?
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: Wlfgng on March 22, 2002, 01:30:59 PM: We should all have the right to choose.
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: Ripsnort on March 22, 2002, 01:31:41 PM: Update your living wills folks.
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: myelo on March 22, 2002, 02:12:41 PM: Just want to point the difference between declining medical treatment and active euthanasia. In the US, a competent adult can refuse any medical treatment, as the lady in England did. The problems typically come when the patient is not mentally competent (unconscious, for example) and someone else tires to make that decision. As Rip pointed out, having a living will is a big help here.

The issue in Oregon is allowing doctors to actively end a patient’s life at the patient’s request, by prescribing an overdose of depressant medication.

Might seem like splitting hairs, but there is a difference.
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: miko2d on March 22, 2002, 02:41:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Mighty1
It's all about the right to choose.
I see nothing wrong with someone killing themselfs if they want to.

Oh, yeah?
If people start dying with dignity instead of spending the last years of their life lying in their own s#@t on a respirator at a cost $1,000,000 a year, how would doctors feed their children? Think of the children!

Seriously, if a person is not able to contribute to the welfare of his children any more, what is the reason to live?
Especially if it costs a lot of money? $40,000 a year for a retirement home? If I am so frail that I cannot take care of myself but have the money, wouldn't I rather give it to my descendant to encourage him/her to have an extra kid or to educate existing one, etc? Then die at the time and in the way of my choosing?

miko
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: Gunthr on March 22, 2002, 02:47:25 PM: (Dame Sloss looks like she'd knuckle you upside the head if you gave her any snot in the courtroom... put you on life support too - she looks like a gay Michael Cane :D )

Yep. That breathing machine can put you in a panic all by itself... just laying there indeterminabley, waiting for the thing to pump the next breath... add the paralysis... communicating with eye blinks... it would be like being condemned to hell.
Title: Paralysed woman given the right to die.
Post by: Maverick on March 22, 2002, 04:25:41 PM: If any prisoner had been treated like this woman has to live....

Tied down, unable to move, gagged, unable to speak, unable to care for their own body and totally subject to the whims of their jailers it would be labled cruel and inhumane treatment. Yet people argue that the patient has no right to be removed from this kind of sentence when they have done no wrong?!?!?!

Forcing another hman being to live like this is an abomination. That patient has no hope for recovery or having anything even remotely resembling a "quality" life. She should be helped to end the suffering, not prolong it. We do the same for dumb animals without a second thought. Why should people be considered to be not suffering as much as an animal in similar circumstances?