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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: fdiron on March 22, 2002, 08:52:48 PM
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My vote goes for the F4U-1c. Its fast, dives extremely well, and is also very very tough.
Havent had much luck in the 262, seems to be more fragile than the F4U. Other planes either dont have enough cannon ammo or are too slow to be good bomber interceptors.
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I'd pick the P-51D. At high altitudes, ever bomber should fear a P-51D if it's in the hands of a capable pilot.
V.
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Bf-110 G-2.
That thing can blast anything to about million pieces in 0,4 sec with 4*20mm MG151/20 + 2*30mm mk-108. Without external gun-rack it takes about 0,5 secs :)
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any one think the 262
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262 too fragile. 110 is too slow to be a good buff killer for me. Seems like the 110 is always attacking from the 6:00 position due to lack of speed.
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what about the Ta 152 although i have yet to use it on a buff it does a number on fighters. any one want to chime in on the buff part because i just dont know. Ta 152 i think was made for knocking down bombers.
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peee47 or Chog
Chog cuz it can kill a buff, with shots that from any non-hispano plane would only scratch, therefor reducing the number of passes required for the hog.
SKurj
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I like the 262, if you're talking just about the plane and not costs. There is something to be said about being able to make a vertical pass from beneath at 500+mph, especially with 30mm on board.
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I lost a 262 doing that fatty. Was comming in from low 6 out of gun range. Was doing about 375-400tas. When I got infront the of the bomber, I went vertical to rake the bombers underside. I fired on the bomber, and as I was about d25 above the bomber, my plane suddenly explodes. I have reviewed the gun camera footage, but I dont see any tracers. Nor does it appear to be a collision. I have no idea what killed me.
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Best buff killer is pilot, who is in a plane, not a plane itself :)
Serously though, there are many good anti-buff planes, and the one you choose is up to your preferences. I think 109g10 is a great because it has 30mm, and best climb rate to get to 30k in minutes to meet high raid.
Fariz
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P-38L is a very good buff killer. Actually any fighter would be a good buff killer if the pilot is smart in his attacks. So far this campaign I've got 14 kills on B-17's while only being shot down twice by them.
ack-ack
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202...no question about it. :D
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TA152 wasn't made to knock down buffs actually, it was a long range range fighter, capeble of doing alot of things, specially take care of enemyfighters at high alt.
The C versions of it were buff killers, not quite as fast and good up high (although better then normal 190) but GREAT armament and good low alt speed.
F4u-1C would be my choice too, or a P47. Those guns can just get kills a FAAAAAR ranges.
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Ok Fariz and akak, I agree partially that the pilot makes a big difference in killing bombers. But if you take a good pilot and put him in a C202, and take an average/below average pilot and put him in a F4U-1c, I think the F4U-1c has a better chance of downing a bomber than the 202.
I read an article on the internet that said the USAF admitted that the F4U was able to withstand more combat damage than the P47, can anyone verify this?
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And i read many times that fw190As were equally rugged as p47s.....
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Mebbe so Illo but you have to get much closer to the buff to hit it... with the jug you can open up at d800 having more time to get them shots where you want them, improving your chances
SKurj
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It's actually good thing Bf-110 is slow; that way faster fighters can catch bomber and suck all ammo from it. When 110 catches the buff it's already out of ammo :)
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For below 20k: The Mossie (just cant beat the accel and 4 hizookas). The 262 is better than the mossie of course, but a perk ride sometimes is just not good to have around when there's escorts (Ho HO HO heheh).
Above 20k: The B26 (or now, the Ki67). Its another buff, just as fast (if not faster) with the same "armament".
New runner up buff interceptor: The Arado with tail guns! Fly under the buff (ligned up) pull upin front of buff's nose and fire tail guns. ze buff will run into the 20mm stream :)
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Your all missing the best buff killer there is under 20k.. Typhoon rocks. lil burst and pilots jump out.
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Like Tac says...under 20k, the Mossie is buff hunter extraordinaire, 2 Merlins and 4 Hispanos is one hell of a combo, throw in a quartet of .303 to give your tracer stream a more 'solid' look, and yer cookin with gas.
At altitude, nothing makes me more nervous when Im buff driving than a P47 in the area, 8 .50's make short work of pretty much anything they hit, and the higher you take a Jug, the better it likes it it seems.
Of course, the 262 in the right hands is untouchable, and 4 30s turn buffs into hamburger quicker than you can say ' toejame he's closin fast...cant track him!', but personally I wouldnt risk that many perks on a buff kill.
Blue
Oh yeah...the 109G6 with gondolas works great on buffs too, and is survivable in that it is quite capable of mixing it up with the escorts aswell as hunting the buffs.
Havent tried the 110G much at all yet, but I dare say it would have to rank way up there with the best of the buffbusters too.
BTW, it takes a fraction of the ammo required to destroy a bomber's fuselage to rip off one of it's wingtips, and the chances of bringing home a buff without a wingtip are marginal to say the least, most often they spiral in there and then...the hard part is resisting the urge to shoot at the centre of the target aircraft.
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I took out 2 lancs with in 2k of each other (in a line of corse) with a 152.... Was pretty cool... dive in spining hold trigger for 6 sec shooting every part of the plane only to watch them explode with out knowing what hit them :O)
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BTW, it takes a fraction of the ammo required to destroy a bomber's fuselage to rip off one of it's wingtips, and the chances of bringing home a buff without a wingtip are marginal to say the least, most often they spiral in there and then
I did it once - it was fun. And very difficult
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B17 is ditchable but not home bringable without wingtip. :)
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flakyak of course, what other plane can kill a b17 from beyond 50cal range, b26 is good too .
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FW190A8 patroling at 23K best Buff killer imho. It's a tank...takes damage well and 2X30mm plus 2X20mm with 13mm machine guns a lethal combo.
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Has nothing to do with the plane...sure, cannons are more effective than .50's as to the damage done within the time guns are on the target, but rather technique defines your success when attacking a buff.
The 51 I drive will rip a buff to pieces in one pass....can accomplish the same with any other fighter.
It's all in the technique:)
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Originally posted by fdiron
Ok Fariz and akak, I agree partially that the pilot makes a big difference in killing bombers. But if you take a good pilot and put him in a C202, and take an average/below average pilot and put him in a F4U-1c, I think the F4U-1c has a better chance of downing a bomber than the 202.
I read an article on the internet that said the USAF admitted that the F4U was able to withstand more combat damage than the P47, can anyone verify this?
I'd be willing to bet that the experienced pilot in the 202 will come out with the kill unscathed while the inexperienced pilot in the F4U-1C either gets shot down or his plane seriously damaged. The experienced pilot is going to make his attacks at the vulnerable areas of the buff, while the inexperienced pilot is most likely going to saddle up on the buffs six and expose himself to the tail guns or come in at a low six angle and again expose himself to the tail and belly guns.
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Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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Originally posted by SKurj
Mebbe so Illo but you have to get much closer to the buff to hit it... with the jug you can open up at d800 having more time to get them shots where you want them, improving your chances
SKurj
And what would .50cals do against buff...especiially at that range anyways. :D
Well..maybe in AH. I wonder why LW wanted to go for bigger and bigger guns against buffs.
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Originally posted by Rude
Has nothing to do with the plane...sure, cannons are more effective than .50's as to the damage done within the time guns are on the target, but rather technique defines your success when attacking a buff.
The 51 I drive will rip a buff to pieces in one pass....can accomplish the same with any other fighter.
It's all in the technique:)
Or it's all in AH DM.
Can't see how .50cals would rip buff to pieces in one pass RL?
What fatal damage you would do while shooting with .50cals to heavy bombers fuselage?
Even with single 20mm LW fighters had to go for buff engines since it was needed at least 30mm or 4x20mm to be effective in causing structural damage to fuselage. Also finnish planes with .50cals had to shoot soviet bombers engines to get them down.
Ofcourse US .50cals are different? :D
Realistically I don't think you can do much any structural damage with .50cals...only puncture lots of holes.
Against engines and cockpit you could do much. But, who needs to do that in AH anyway?
Revision in DM would be ok IMHO.
AH is otherwise such a good sim.
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Most survivable buff killer in AH?
Anything able to engange the buff at 800 yards or more, that is, any hispano/50" armed plane.
IMO, actually, the best and more survivable buff killers (non perkerd) are the Typh, Mossie and P38.
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Tiffy, definatly