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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Swager on March 23, 2002, 09:20:08 AM
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The squad I'm in, The Flying Mongrels did a JU88 mission last night to an UK airfield.
It was the most fun I had in the CT so far!!
I watch a group of Spitfire Is along with a Hurri I take off as a group from an RAF airfield and it was sweet to watch! I think there was 7 all totaled. I even took a film of it!
Earlier, in a Hurri I, I had a low level dogfight with some Me110s over the channel. Very nice!!
Great setup and well done for those involved!
This should be a permanent arena!! :)
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Plane set makes for great fun. Can't run and the guns or lack thereof result in long fights.
bowser
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Swagger,
It was definitely a good time. I prefer arenas where historicaly adversarial aircraft are pitted against each other. However, during that large JU88 raid my temporary (and cheap) joystick broke on me and I'm grounded again for a while. :-(
One day, ONE DAY...we'll be doing early SW Pacific with F4Fs and P40 diving at Betties. :-)
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Roger that Swag!
Whole lotta fun last night, pretty sure those seven guys was us Bucc's with my handsomehunk in the Hurri ;)
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LOL, and that lone Hurricane amid the cloud of Spits was...me. I had to go put my son to bed, and when I got back, the rest of the Buccs had changed planes. I didn't know, so I merrily launched to catch up. I made good bait for the rest of my squad :).
, felllow Buccaneers. What a blast!
Sabre
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Rolling missions are the best in the CT, I made a mission with Hurri I and Spit I with about 8 in each plane and we went and flew over a furball. It was pretty darn cool to hear all the help going on over AHV (almost made it sound real) Alot of us made it home and landed... We did it twice but the second time I got a disco :\ but any of you MA potatos ;) reading this CT is almost BETTER then the MA and I suggest you give it a try some time.
Peace
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I wish Hazed would stop hogging all the kills:)
What limited time I had all weekend the CT was great!!!
pretty even plane set up.
great fights!
NUTTZ
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Should keep the BoB setup up for atleast two weeks. So much fun!
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Got to agree with everything above, This one is great. Were early guns really that bad? I chased a JU88 across the channel yesterday in a spit and made repeated passes, lighting him up every time. Took about 5 attempts before he finally bailed and even then I did not see anything fall off. The limited damage effect and the overall slower pace of the planes makes for some epic fights.
Keep it up guys.
TTFN
snafu
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Should keep the BoB setup up for atleast two weeks. So much fun!
Agreed. Everything works with this setup.
The fighters are about evenly matched in performance.
The Ju88s, although probably a bit uber, attract the buffdweebs with their survivability.
We all learn to fly better, because the wuss armament makes us fly closer to our targets.
I see no down side - looked like everyone was having an absolutely wonderful time (except for you, Karnak!). I'd love to keep this one around for awhile.
- Oldman
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I like the BoB setup... Its really cool ;) What eats me are the CVBGs.... Disable CV groups and Il be happy...
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Yep, this is a winner. Two weeks would be great.
Then get us an f4f, p40, kate and lets go to the PACIFIC!
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great set up fantastic matchups.Id agree to extending the time its on.
now the bad news.........
If i hear one more claim that the ju88 is UBER im gonna start swinging punches!
Ive flown the Ju88 (99.9% :)) exclusively in MA as i fly LW only and have had my bellybutton handed to me on a platter constantly for MONTHS.Now finally i face fighter with the guns it REALLY faced in 1940 and i hear constant complaints.Even some old names were claiming they were impossible to shoot down.
Infuriated i changed to allies for ONE flight in a spitfire to prove this was total BS.
my tally?
1x me110 destroyed. took its tail clean off.
1x Ju88 destroyed. totally exploded after 4 or 5 passes. smoked both engines ,holed fuel tanks etc etc and I even had to contend with an me110 escort so i couldnt maintain a steady pendulum attack.
1x me110 damaged and chased away.(ju88 escort)
remaining rounds? @130 in EACH set of guns totalling around @250-270 rds
Thats 1 sortie, first try.
Why was i able to do it? BECAUSE i didnt just sit at 6oc firing like an idiot whos used to simple spit cannon kills.
from 4'oc- 8'oc from the rear and -60 degrees below or +70 degrees above the 6oc position guess what? the guns cant hit you.
sure i took a few pings after sweeping attacks and dives and climbs but it was a thousand times easier to shoot down than any b17 or lancaster has been for me as LW in every other CT setup.finally we (ju88s) have a chance to survive an attack (as long as the fools attack our rear) and the allies whine like girls, even quit out in a huff like children.
please stop the whining.This is not helping the CT. I was in a fantastic mood after days of enjoyable missions with allied pilots who rather than squeaked.The atmosphere was immediately ruined for me by this crap.
harsh ? maybe but i pay to fly there too and i dont appreciate my fun being ruined.
Ive made up my mind about the 303's and there is nothing wrong with them.
Bad workmen blame their tools.
sorry for saying this here but it needs to be said.
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great setup
great fights
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Originally posted by hazed-
now the bad news.........
If i hear one more claim that the ju88 is UBER im gonna start swinging punches!
please stop the whining.This is not helping the CT. I was in a fantastic mood after days of enjoyable missions with allied pilots who rather than squeaked.The atmosphere was immediately ruined for me by this crap.
harsh ? maybe but i pay to fly there too and i dont appreciate my fun being ruined.
Ive made up my mind about the 303's and there is nothing wrong with them.
Bad workmen blame their tools.
sorry for saying this here but it needs to be said.
Hey Hazed who's whining? Just saying it like I saw it. I was not questioning the strength of the 88 or the weakness of the 303's. just commenting on the difference compared to what I'm used to. I've flown enough 202's to know what it's like to be down on firepower in comparision with other planes. I had the most fun I've had for a while last night, (Splitting my time between Allies & Axis). Loosen the leather jockstrap a bit and take a deep breath. ;)
TTFN
snafu
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I had a blast this weekend the times I flew. Friday night I was flying past midnight! Very rare for me! :)
During the raid.
(http://www.ropescourse.org/ju881.gif)
After the raid.
(http://www.ropescourse.org/ju882.gif)
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Heh.. if the Ju88 is really thay impossible to shoot down..
How many Spits and Hurris would be needed to shoot down all those 88s in the pic?? :D
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Seriously though, on snafu's question ("Were early guns really that bad?"), I think current tendencies in BoB CT sort of points out nicely the guns are about fine, rather, the 20mms (not just Hispanos, but all the 20mms!) are too powerful.
As someone said, the fights are epic in BoB CT :).. about the most epic fights I've ever seen in ages.. no 3~4 pings blowing off wings suddenly.... "Spitdweebs" actually getting in close 200~300 yards and aiming( :D arrogant joke, sorry.. no bad intent).. Landing pings after pings, enemy planes swerving like mad.... following a good chase and finally seeing something blown off and the plane crashing down.. whew, it was one of the good, rewarding fights.
Also feels kinda peculiar seeing people complain about what the MA folk have been complaining about for ages - namely, the "buff guns too strong!" issues. Who'd ever have guessed Ju88s would be in the middle of all this? :D I guess people never expected they had to kill Ju88s as they would have when met a B-17.. well, 1940 bombers against 1940 fighters. What else? Can't exactly expect to kill a 1940 bomber as you would with 1942+ planes with destructive 20mms, eh? The Ju88 Hazed killed was me, and he blew me up, too. Boy, does he know where Ju88 has weak spots!
Anyhow, planning to post some links to good film clips made out of BoBCT, as soon as I have my new server running. :D
Great set up!
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That really is too bad about the whining. Dont see it much in there. Ju88s are tough birds for the hurries and spits. The real problem is there level speed! I think it is well modeled though. We should be able to pop em out of the sky too easily. I have filled a couple of em full of lead, and still have not seen a kill message for one of em. GOnna get me one someday, just you darn lwers keep escorting the dam things! Knock it off!
hehe
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WTG HTC best arena !!!!
Can we keep it forewer? :)
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I have killed 4 ju88s they aint hard.......
theres no snapshots with 303s.
The ones I've killed took good burst but died no harder then anything else. I killed 2 in 1 sortie and light up a third that killed me because I dopped into his 6 at d300 and stayed there a bit too long.
303s are a capable round in this setup. I never fly allied planes and am like 20 and 3 in them in the ct.
I even escorted DDs ju88s and got a few kills.
Those that say a ju88 is too tough fly axis and get sprayed with 50 cals from a tbm :)
then you may have something to whine about.
Anyway I love attacking and escorting ju88s in the ct. Its quite fun.....
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Flew Ju-88 yesterday was great fun although I didn't make it to the target (radar stationj/factory). I was hijacked by higher Spitfire and I tellyou those .303s do really bite... He got my left gun, left flap and left engine coolant at first pass. But then he just moved over to my 6 so he died. Then I jetisoned my load and turned back home to France crying on country channel for help because 2 more dots were coming. Had to fight 2nd spit alone too... Managed to get him because he was not very smart... The 3rd one was smart... He atacked from sides and from my blind angles... Luckyly for me 2 Emils arrived just in time to get me rid of this burden so i rtbed relatively safely :D
So yes Ju-88s are harder to kill with .303s but same as in MA it all depends on your approach and tactics used and especially with Ju-88s blind angles if Allied pilots are smart then unescorted Ju-88s have little or no chance for survival... And Yes the TBM's .50 cals are devastating in current arena setup :)
My vote: keep CT as it is now longer! I really enjoy it
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"Were early guns really that bad?"
Guys..... It was a rhetorical question, and a compliment to the setup.
As with most engagements the JU was firing back at me with about the same effect as I appeared to be having on him. After switching to Axis to help the numbers I found out many times the damage 303's can do.
Read the title of the thread.. :rolleyes:
TTFN
snafu
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Good thread Swagger!
It was indeed a blast, best JU-88 sortie I've had in ages.
The sortie following we took 110's to England, hit a radar factory hard, killed a couple of spits with some goodteamwork. Tried to run for home but we got ambushed by high cons. At least half if not all of us died with the shores of france in sight.
IMO HT could just as well replace the dueling arena with a permanent BOB setup if it was setup like this with a better map perhaps.
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An accurate map of europe is not good enough? Do you mean more towns and such? I would be all for it, but sadly it would subtract from the already meager ct crowd.