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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on March 24, 2002, 08:16:19 PM
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WARNING IN ADVANCE TO ALL toejamHEADS! THIS IS A WHINE. THIS WILL MAKE ME FEEL BETTER THAN BREAKING SOME RANDOM STUFF. END WARNING.
Guess I'll join the legions of La7 drivers that fly in straight lines only. Died several times today.... I died once in a one on one. I guess it really is just to much to ask of the slavering kill hungry gang rapists to cool down. HTC, when can we get some larger maps? I mean like 17,400 by 17,400. Of course, the map size doesnt matter since all it will mean is more empty space, with the same ol gang rapists flying around in clumps of 50 attacking undefended bases.
Well, at least now I know how some really 'good' pilots maintain their scores.
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You hit the nail right on the head. Take down the score page and people will begin to mix it up more.
Originally posted by Urchin
Well, at least now I know how some really 'good' pilots maintain their scores.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Well, at least now I know how some really 'good' pilots maintain their scores.
They do it the old fashioned way. They earn it. :D
Truthfully... when I'm score-whoring (and I have'nt done so in 3 or 4 months), I don't fly much fighters at all. I ride JABO, do some strat-potato bombing runs (Hi Lazs!), or I grab a Panzer and see if I can work my way to a vehicle spawning point.
Of course... I'm not one of the "really good pilots."
Some of us can only aspire.
One day... one great day... someone at sometime is going to accuse me of cheating.
I can't wait!
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That, Urchin, is the reason why I originally switched to the P-51D in Airwarrior--at the time it was the fastest plane in the game at low altitudes. I could run away from the gangers. Up until that time I had been just another spitdweeb. I guess I got ganged up on once too often :)
Actually, the only reason the Pony still IS my favorite ride is just because it never let me down in AW. I no longer choose it for any performance edge it gives me; I fly it due to its sentimental value to me :)
J_A_B
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I'm constantly amazed at people who feel the best place to find a one on one duel is a massively multi-player combat arena. :rolleyes:
Wab
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Oh no Wabbit, I don't expect a 1 on 1. I'd be esctatic if I could get them, because I'll usually win a one on one. I'd settle for a 2 on 1. Honest to christ, I would. Want me to take on 2 SpitIX's in my 109E? I'll DO it by god. I won't win every time, but I'll win enough that it makes it worthwhile and fun.
Want me to take on two SpitIXs, 3 Me109s, a Niki, 2 Me110s, and 2 Hurricanes in my 109E? No way. Not only would I never win, I wouldn't even have any fun. And THAT is the problem with the whoopee MA. It doesnt seem to MATTER to people that there is only ONE enemy plane that is ALREADY engaged with 5,6,10,15, whatever numbers of friendlies. They'll dive right in and give it a go.
It makes flying anything slower than an La7, 190D9, or P51 (barely) a complete and total waste of time. Because you are either one of those 27 losers flying as a pack looking for the one guy stupid enough to fly in 'your' sector, or you are that one guy who has to take on 27 losers that don't know their bellybutton from a hole in the ground- and are proud of that to boot. At least in one of the above-mentioned planes, you can perhaps get a kill and then outrun all but the fleetest gang banging rutabagas, who you can then fight at a more manageable 2 or 3 on 1.
Oh, and by the way amazinhunks, this is STILL a whine.
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Take down the score page and you'll have mass chaos. People just flying into the hords not caring, seams that would only make things worse. I like checking out my stats ( not that it changes the way I fly) But i like to see If my gunnery is better/worse, how my choice of plane is doing against other and different planes. And even the scoring we have is just parts of information, it doesn't tell you alot. Besides stats don't change the way I fly. I don't see how taking them away will fix "gangbanging" If YOU put yourself into that position , then it's YOUR fault. PERIOD!
Learn to fly smart! learn your plane, know what you are capable of, and join a squad.
Oh, thats right every ww2 pilot flew alone with NO wingmen.
Stupid me!!!
NUTTZ
Originally posted by CRASH
You hit the nail right on the head. Take down the score page and people will begin to mix it up more.
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i just take up a 262 when the odds are that bad.
expensive, but fun
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>It makes flying anything slower than an La7, 190D9, or P51
>(barely) a complete and total waste of time.
It seems to me that what ever plane set you choose, some planes are always going to be faster than others. So you'll be right back in the same situation. Whatever plane is faster will always be able to dictate the fight. If you roll the plane set all the way back to SPADs and Fokkers, you'll still have the same essiential situation. Unless you want to restrict everyone to just one plane. I have a feeling THAT is the only solution that would make you happy.
I understand why you would like to control how many enemy attack you. Its always easier to concentrate on one or two bogies than 5 or 10. Its always nice to be able to engage a lone bandit and not have to keep an eye on the rest of the SA to determine when the time to disengage and run are. Its always more convienient to engage where ever you like without having to consider you're route of escape if necessary. But thats not, nor ever will be the type of arena we have. Bandits are not going to circle above you like Beau's at a Debutante ball, waiting patiently for their chance to cut in, one at a time, or even two at a time. They don't serve tea and crumpets in the MA.
Slow, more maneuverable planes will always stay together for mutal support. If you want to stray from the pack, you will always need a fast enough plane to dictate the fight. There it is. Its the way it is. Its the way it has always been. Its the way it should be. Stop throwing temper tantrums.
HTC has provided people like you the Duel Arena. Don't try and change the MA into one.
Oh, and you can call people who disagree with you amazinhunks, but it doesn't give your argument any more weight.
Wab
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Urchin's self-described WHINE didn't ask for any changes at all, except for a 17,000 x 17,000 map which he was clearly not serious about.
What he said was he's sick of the &*%^$^!!! gangers and will fly the fastest plane in the game just to be able to better avoid them. I made the exact same decision once, several years ago.
J_A_B
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Urchin,
I'm with you on the frustration of this.
I'm not going to join the gangbang fest when I see 1 enemy and 12 friendlies and I'm tired of being the 1 enemy. Neither is fun.
CT setup hasn't been fun for me lately either.:(
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Wabbit, we don't disagree actually. Clearly, you have chosen to disregard SA entirely and fly only the La7 and P51. Knowing the way many of your squad fly, I'd say you are also usually cruising around with a pack of friendlies, waiting for them to stir something up so you can dive on it for the easy kill.
There is nothing wrong with the way you fly, I'm not saying there is. Some people get enjoyment out of that, and some people don't. You happen to be a person that does, I happen to be a person that doesn't.
As far as many of you are concerned.. you are throwing up the same old roadkill you've been throwing up for ages. If you don't want to get gangbanged, don't FIGHT! It was your own lack of Situational Awareness that led you to select the 109E4 for this sortie anyway, so don't you yell at MY squad if we choose to engage you 30 on 1, ok?! It is YOUR FAULT, not OURS.
Guys.. the argument is roadkill and you know it is roadkill. Clearly, there are some folks here that enjoy participating in a 15 on 1 (as long as they have the 15, that is). They think it is FUN to compete with the other 14 guys to see who will get the kill and who will merely get an assist. I personally find it tiresome, and it is getting old rather fast.
Furthermore, I actually do understand that expecting NOT to get gangbanged by 5 or 6 guys every time I try to get in a fight IS a personal failing of mine. I've grasped some minor points of human nature, one of which is that people will damn near ALWAYS try to take the easy route. It is obviously easier to get kills in an La7 than it is to get them in a 109F4. This would be why you see a lot of people in La7s, and not so many in 109F4s. It is also much MUCH easier to kill someone who is already in a fight with 1, or 3, or 5, or 26 enemies... so of course people will attempt to get the 'easy' kill instead of looking for one that might be a challenge (or as they think, one they might actually LOSE! *GASP*). For whatever reason, there are some people that actually enjoy a challenge. It is a rather stupid way to play any game... but for some reason there are a few people out there that enjoy flying these planes that are so inferior to the "BEST" planes that people like AKWabbit wouldn't even dream of flying them offline. I happen to be one of those people... I think Karnak is one of them too.
You see Wabbit.. it is pretty easy to look at someone and scoff
"Ha. you have no SA! You are totally inferior if you allow yourself to get in a situation where you are being attacked by 8 enemy planes. You are a FOOL! Why don't you run away and live to fight another day, like ME?!"
... when the two planes that YOU fly are 2 of the top 4 when in comes to speed on the deck.
Want to know how fast the 109E4 is on the deck? With WEP on it makes around 290. Yea, thats 290, with a TWO. You probably don't even get that slow unless you are on autoclimb, huh? When pretty much every other plane in the game can run your bellybutton down, it isn't a matter of SA. Take a break from your speed demons. Fly a Spit for a tour, see if you change your mind about how important 'SA' is in avoiding a gangbang.
Don't worry, I already know you won't, so you don't have to feel like you let me down by saying no.
EDIT: I was just checking my score (which incidentaly I enjoy doing, so I'd like the scores to stay). I decided to check AKWabbits score as well, with my reasoning being with his superior SA he should obviously have much better stats than I have. He also flies what I could consider to be planes that are much superior to what I have flown this tour, so I figured he should really have an edge on me. Rather surprisingly, he doesn't. My K/D is higher, my K/S is higher, my accuracy is much higher (which doesnt surprise me.. fly the 109E for a while.. you will be a crack shot real fast, same with the 202), and my K/T is better. So, how can this be I ask? Surely, at least according to him, I am an inferior pilot with no ability to judge what is going on around me. So how can I manage to have better statistics in every single Fighter category?
Ok, sarcasm mode over. I get to be an amazinhunk when I start getting frustrated and pissed off, but I think the point is a valid one however bluntly I put it. AKWabbit... I'm not a poor pilot. In fact, I'd even hazard a guess that I'm probably a tad better than you are. My real point is that you have absolutely no idea what you are criticising (SP?! lol) because you don't worry about it at all. You make a mistake in a one on one fight? Drop that nose and WHOOSH... 'Where'd he go?" "Where'd WHOOOOO go?!" (and hell, in the La7 you dont even have to drop the nose). You make a mistake in a 109E4 against a SpitIX? You die. You start a fight with one bad guy and his 9 squaddies arrive to help? Adios! Punch that big red button and warp the hell out of there in your trusty La-7. Get in the same situation in a 109E4? You die. SA be damned. You see them coming? You STILL die.
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Simple solution... Use the speed of the planes to determine whether they should be perked (or not).
WRT gangbanging... the objective of any strategic mission or field closure necessitates it. If a superior group is closing a field and you insist on flying against them, take your lumps.
Once air superiority is established and you're the inferior side, go away. Come back when you have greater numbers.
This is not a 1v1 arena. Don't expect a fair fight. If you want one of those, try the dueling arena or the set up a head to head match.
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Sandman.. you apparently didn't grasp it either. I don't like being the 1 in a 1 on 12... I also don't like being a member of the 12. However, that seems to be the way the MA is now. You are either gangraping some poor bastard with 15 other friendlies, or you are taking it up the bellybutton by yourself the next sector over from 15 bad guys.
Neither one is fun.
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Oh I grasp it fine...
I don't much like being 1 against 2, let alone 1 against 12... but that's if I'm flying a Zeke.
Now... If I'm part of a wave that is rolling over the other country and we are enjoying vastly superior numbers from one field to the next, yeah. That's fun. I enjoy it. Keep in mind... I fly Rook so this doesn't happen that often.
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!
If I'm not part of a wave and I'm simply looking for a more balanced fight, I get far more irritated with other Rooks horning in on it than I do with opponents gangbanging me.
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Urchin!
Come to Rooks! We dont have such a problem. Mostly we have numbers and we split our pilots so they are equal with other countries.
If there happens an accident and we could vulch, we stop attacking and wait until enemy gets his plane up. Also we never shoot chutes, even nikpilots chute...
IF enemy is trying to gangbang us (rarely happens) we just go away to another field and let gangbangers take fields.
Why? Because we all are gentlemen!:D
:rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:
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>I get to be an amazinhunk when I start getting frustrated and
>pissed off
Oh, I suspect its quite more often than that.
So you've gone from calling people amazinhunks to trying to insult my squad to measuring the length of your stats. You are awlfully insecure aren't you. :rolleyes:
If you notice, I never said I was an expert pilot. Never said my stats are better. But ever time I have died, I can look back and find the exact mistake or combination of mistakes that got me in that position. Whether I didn't see someone coming, or didn't have a good escape route, or waited to long to disengage. I can always review and see where enevitablly, the mistake was mine. So instead of squeaking and whining, and wailing that the world is so unfair, I make a mental note and try to make better decisions the next time.
You choose the whining route. I suppose that speaks volumes to your character.
Wab
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Originally posted by Urchin
Wabbit, we don't disagree actually. Clearly, you have chosen to disregard SA entirely and fly only the La7 and P51. Knowing the way many of your squad fly, I'd say you are also usually cruising around with a pack of friendlies, waiting for them to stir something up so you can dive on it for the easy kill.
What the heck, I'll believe I'll toss my two cents in. Tonight, a group of us (4 or 5 AKs, many other bish) were attempting a field capture.
One of the AKs was flying a goon and he warned us that a 109 was approaching him. Me and AKWarp turned to help him. Warp was in a d9, I was in a 110g2.
Urchin killed the goon and zoomed away. Unfortunately for Urchin, a d9 can run him down. I followed along in my 110 and sure enough, ole Urchin made a really bad turn - sort of a spiral climb that didn't spiral. Yep, I caught him right at the top of the turn with 2 30mms, 2 20mms. He blew up nicely.
He immediately filled the text buffer with complaints about gang banging. Lol, remember, this is right after he killed the goon.
To be completely fair, I suppose I should have let him return to the field so he could kill the other goon too!
Urchin, you're off base. Even worse, you're wrong. But that's ok, you still ok. :) All of us have bad days.
curly
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Is it me or is everyone feeling a little claustrophobic lately with the MA?
I feel like the entire group been stuffed into an 15x15 foot elevator. A gorgeous blond babe gets in on the 12 floor and we all fight and struggle to get a shot at her. Sometimes, it's like someone let a good fart rip and we're all gasping to get off on the next floor...
Either way, the situation stinks and I'm hoping for some air freshener from HTC in the way of a nice new map.
Besides, Urchin isn't wearing deodorant and he stinks... :D
V
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>He blew up nicely.
Ahhh so THATS what this is about. Lol. Good shot Curly. Sorry I missed it.
But, careful...he's out there feverishly checking your stats as we speak. :rolleyes:
Wab
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i feel the same way sometimes urchin. take a brake man. thats what im doing right now. i still fly but not even close to as often as i used to. im playin with the film editor right now. its pretty cool. making some films and stuff. little frustrating at times. so far for the last few days the only reason i log in is to get into a big furball to get some good kills on film. take my film and go to the editor. i recomend you give it a try. dont worry about the bases under attack or anything like that. just go furball on film and make some movies! takes your mind off all things stressfull to AH:)
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I actually remember that one a little differently Curly. Unless there is a new bug in Aces High that makes the 110 display as a P38 (not to mention look like one)- you weren't there until the very end, when you did in fact kill me.
What I, personally, remember of that sortie was killing a goon, seeing 1 P38, 2 110s, and 2 of something else head out towards me from the base, so yea, I took off. There was no zooming involved. I got over the hill and it looked like only the P38 was after me. He overshoot, we did 3-4 revolutions of a rolling scissors, and then you guys caught up.
As always though, it was in fact your superior flying that got the kill. .
I never saw a 190.. any 190.
And I would like to add that I'm not off base, nor am I wrong. I could give two toejams and a giggle what the diddly I just killed... what would you call a 3 on 1? And that is just your admittedly odd version, in which I was trying to out spiral a 190....
diddly this. I'm done. Bask in your glory guys, all of your kills were just plain awesome on me. All of you guys outflew me, the result would have absolutely been the same had the numbers been different .
And no Wabbit... I didn't HAVE to check the stats to know I'm a better pilot than you. I could pretty much look at the AK in front of your name. There are three guys in your squad that have my respect.. and here is a hint. You aren't one of them.
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>diddly this. I'm done.
Done making an bellybutton of yourself? Oh, I doubt that.
Wab
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Nah, just done in general. There is no way I can compete. Y'all are the penultimate in individual pilot skill, judgement, SA.. and wit to boot! Maybe, one day, I can aspire to be an all around good human being like you. Until then, I guess I can only hope to emulate you by flying an La7 and cherry-picking away. Here's to you, Wabbit.
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Originally posted by Urchin
WARNING IN ADVANCE TO ALL toejamHEADS! THIS IS A WHINE. THIS WILL MAKE ME FEEL BETTER THAN BREAKING SOME RANDOM STUFF. END WARNING.
Guess I'll join the legions of La7 drivers that fly in straight lines only. Died several times today.... I died once in a one on one. I guess it really is just to much to ask of the slavering kill hungry gang rapists to cool down. HTC, when can we get some larger maps? I mean like 17,400 by 17,400. Of course, the map size doesnt matter since all it will mean is more empty space, with the same ol gang rapists flying around in clumps of 50 attacking undefended bases.
Well, at least now I know how some really 'good' pilots maintain their scores.
Come on..don't be like little girlie.
Take FW 190A-8 and show them what you are made of.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I actually remember that one a little differently Curly. Unless there is a new bug in Aces High that makes the 110 display as a P38 (not to mention look like one)- you weren't there until the very end, when you did in fact kill me.
What I, personally, remember of that sortie was killing a goon, seeing 1 P38, 2 110s, and 2 of something else head out towards me from the base, so yea, I took off. There was no zooming involved. I got over the hill and it looked like only the P38 was after me. He overshoot, we did 3-4 revolutions of a rolling scissors, and then you guys caught up.
As always though, it was in fact your superior flying that got the kill. .
I never saw a 190.. any 190.
And I would like to add that I'm not off base, nor am I wrong. I could give two toejams and a giggle what the diddly I just killed... what would you call a 3 on 1? And that is just your admittedly odd version, in which I was trying to out spiral a 190....
diddly this. I'm done. Bask in your glory guys, all of your kills were just plain awesome on me. All of you guys outflew me, the result would have absolutely been the same had the numbers been different .
Well, Urchin, you're getting pretty wound up over nothing. :) Warp usually flies a d9 for JABO, but it's certainly possible he was in something else. It may well have been a p38.
When you killed the goon, you had 3 or 4 guys (including me) close to you. All pursued briefly, but your superior speed discouraged the others quickly. As we went over the hill, the others had long given up the chase and only warp (d9/p38/whatever) and me (110) were in pursuit.
I was maybe d2.0 back when warp closed with you and forced a reaction. I quickly closed.
And yeah, you're still off base and wrong. :) You don't kill my squadmate in a goon and expect me (or warp) to easily give up, do you?
Further, a base capture was about to happen and a second goon was nearby. Did you expect me to stand back and let you and warp have a good ole 1 v 1? What if you won? I sure as hell couldn't catch you in the 110. :) It seemed like a good idea to kill you and guarantee you couldn't kill the other goon. :)
I'm not sure what this is about, but surely it isn't about guys protecting goons or running down planes that have just killed a squadmate flying a goon.
Hell Urchin, if you're concerned about "fair fights," what are you doing shooting a goon? It can't shoot back. Why did you do that?
Let me guess, I'll bet you shot the goon to prevent a base capture. :) I and shot you to assist in a base capture.
Urchin, the name of the game in the main arena is base capture. I suspect many would like an arena where they could have an infinite sequence of 1 vs. 1s. And that would be fine, but it wouldn't be the main arena. I guess it would be called a "Dueling Arena." :) Don't we have one of those?
I'm not basking in any glory, but it was surely a most excellent base capture and all bish high-fived over the capture.
curly
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For any of you really interested on experiencing what is being gangbanged all the time and from all the fronts even by extraterrestral forces, join the rooks. Lately, even a Gozzila (perked) and King Kong are ganbanging us.
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Holy cow, this all seems vaguely familiar- dejavu (S! AKs!) if you will.
Urchin, I had precisely the same outburst from you the other night when I killed you, a result of what had been an even fight. Sure, I was in an La7 that time, but if you check my stats (dolomite) for a few tours back you will see my preferred ride is the 190A5. I had been smacked a few times and took the plane up out of desperation to defend a base it appeared you guys were about to overrun. Two previous Hurri sorties had given me quick deaths without a prayer of a return shot. I had the experience of coming in low with 8-10 enemy above me, and they took turns whacking at me. It was my fault for putting myself there, I took it like a man and kept my mouth shut. It was clear the base was in serious trouble, hence my decision to up something that could compete from disadvantage against the many P-51's inbound.
Now, I'm sure in your mind you were gangbanged, but the fact is you weren't. Eventually it did work down from even odds to the 4-2 you described, because your boys lost the fight and you were all mopped up by us that particular time. Then, when your boys did arrive in force on our base, you were in an La7 cherrypicking. No problems, war is hell. This of course didn't prevent you from filling the buffer with garbage about being raped even as your team was in the act of doing the same thing. You postured on for some time about how "noone would go to the DA with you". No kidding. Who would want to give someone acting like a jerk what he wants?
For the record (and to Wabbit's credit) I have flown with and against Wabbit in at least three sims, and I have seen him fearlessly throw himself into multiple cons and win many times- in fact, it was a trademark of his in one sim. You may not respect the AKs, but they do fly well together and if you meet a pack of them, you are going to take them all on- just like many other squads in the arena. Here's the difference though- if you happen to catch an AK alone and kill him, though he was surrounded by many unfriendlies, you aren't going to see the open channel explode with details of the unjustice that just occurred, challenges to go to the DA, or posturing of how good he really is.
The only good thing I can see here is that you finally took this garbage off the open channel- or are you still doing it there, too?
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Hmm... very "LW ish"... Huge whine that somehow manages to get in the point that....
Not only is he being picked on but that everyone is mean to him and that he is a superior pilot flying a plane that obviously takes the most skill to fly. He could easily vanquish everyone in a "fair" fight if only the fights were arranged so that acceleration and climb were the most important factors and that all the other 400 players did not exist or.... waited patiently in line to fight him.
A whining martyr... somehow that just comes off wrong.
lazs
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Originally posted by Urchin
Oh no Wabbit, I don't expect a 1 on 1. I'd be esctatic if I could get them, because I'll usually win a one on one. I'd settle for a 2 on 1. Honest to christ, I would. Want me to take on 2 SpitIX's in my 109E? I'll DO it by god. I won't win every time, but I'll win enough that it makes it worthwhile and fun.
Want me to take on two SpitIXs, 3 Me109s, a Niki, 2 Me110s, and 2 Hurricanes in my 109E? No way. Not only would I never win, I wouldn't even have any fun. And THAT is the problem with the whoopee MA. It doesnt seem to MATTER to people that there is only ONE enemy plane that is ALREADY engaged with 5,6,10,15, whatever numbers of friendlies. They'll dive right in and give it a go.
It makes flying anything slower than an La7, 190D9, or P51 (barely) a complete and total waste of time. Because you are either one of those 27 losers flying as a pack looking for the one guy stupid enough to fly in 'your' sector, or you are that one guy who has to take on 27 losers that don't know their bellybutton from a hole in the ground- and are proud of that to boot. At least in one of the above-mentioned planes, you can perhaps get a kill and then outrun all but the fleetest gang banging rutabagas, who you can then fight at a more manageable 2 or 3 on 1.
Oh, and by the way amazinhunks, this is STILL a whine.
Allow me to add my whine:
I can sympathize. Last night at 61, I arrive over the field with several other Rooks. There are about a dozen enemy fighters milling about over the field. Naturally, I roll in and see my team-mates follow. As I slash into the defenders, I check my 6 to see where my fellow Rooks are. They are nowhere. To a man, they bugged out. So, here I am in the middle of the horde, with no cover whatsoever. I got two before the swarm nibbled me to death. Annoyed, I up Hellcat from our nearby CV and head in again. Same result, my so-called "friends" all skedaddle and I fight it out alone. Getting one before being swamped. Now I'm really pissed, and I castigate my fellow Rooks for their yellow streak. Meanwhile Mathman and a few others arrive and wade in, knocking down several of the enemy. I up a Seafire and return. While working on finishing a Mustang, one of the cowardly dweebs, who refused to fight, tries to steal the kill by diving in from his safe height. I sprayed him with .303 just enough to cause him to break off (no damage to either of us, just enough pings to get his attention). I finish off the Mustang and harass the "kill stealing dickhead" (as I referred to him in the message buffer) with check 6 calls until he leaves the area.
I'm really becoming intolerant of those rutabagas who refuse to fight unless they can gangbang. It reflects their utter lack of skills and fear of facing off 1 on 1. More and more of these geeks seem to be showing up (I'm sure the Knits and Bish have their share as well). You will never see these humps in the CT, where massive gangbanging is less common, simply due to the lower number of aircraft. Usually, they fly fast fighters. That allows them to run away from any fight they can't win, which means any fight where they may have to demonstrate some basic ACM skills.
Maybe HiTech can turn off killfighter for 1 hour a night so that we could properly instruct the rutabagas in basic manners.
My regards,
Widewing
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well widewing, if i were logged on and anywhere in vis of you in that situation, i'd have been right on your tail trying to help clean up the overflow of sewage there.
i find this whole thread kind of ironic since i merely mildly whined about constant 3 on 1's in the CT (on radio) and ended up getting a timeout from an over-eager CT staffer.
It's always been my contention that anything more than an active 2 on 1 (unless the 1 has the advantage) is pure lameness and not only insulting to the 1, but also to the 2 already involved.
but then i pause to remember: everyone suxors anyway!!!
:)
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Heh WW, been there myself BUT!!
I have also seen friendlies in their spits or what have you dive in amongst 5-6 defenders and start TnB'n em....
Well there I am in my typh 5k above goin ????
I'll make BnZ passes on that swarm until I start seeing higher dots comin, and then reevaluate.
If I dive in amongst 5-6 co-e enemy... I don't expect help, as I've already given up the RTB.
SKurj
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ROFL Mandoble :D
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Originally posted by CRASH
You hit the nail right on the head. Take down the score page and people will begin to mix it up more.
Score page? There's a score page?
:p
-Smut
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Urchin!
Come to Rooks! We dont have such a problem. Mostly we have numbers and we split our pilots so they are equal with other countries.
If there happens an accident and we could vulch, we stop attacking and wait until enemy gets his plane up. Also we never shoot chutes, even nikpilots chute...
IF enemy is trying to gangbang us (rarely happens) we just go away to another field and let gangbangers take fields.
Why? Because we all are gentlemen!:D
:rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:
:mad:
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Originally posted by lazs2
Hmm... very "LW ish"... Huge whine that somehow manages to get in the point that....
Not only is he being picked on but that everyone is mean to him and that he is a superior pilot flying a plane that obviously takes the most skill to fly. He could easily vanquish everyone in a "fair" fight if only the fights were arranged so that acceleration and climb were the most important factors and that all the other 400 players did not exist or.... waited patiently in line to fight him.
A whining martyr... somehow that just comes off wrong.
lazs
As usual... Lazs has opened his amazinhunk to speak without opening his eyes to find out what the thread is about. Good job Lazs. Excellent contribution .
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Originally posted by SKurj
Heh WW, been there myself BUT!!
I have also seen friendlies in their spits or what have you dive in amongst 5-6 defenders and start TnB'n em....
Well there I am in my typh 5k above goin ????
I'll make BnZ passes on that swarm until I start seeing higher dots comin, and then reevaluate.
If I dive in amongst 5-6 co-e enemy... I don't expect help, as I've already given up the RTB.
SKurj
Ideally, an attack on a heavily defended field should include five elements. They should arrive and attack in the following order.
1) Bombers; to knock out FHs, fuel, radar and VH. This sets up attrition as a factor for defenders.
2) Jabos; kill any field acks and GVs. Kill city.
3) T&B type fighters; engage, occupy and kill enemy fighters.
4) B&Z fighters; bounce isolated defenders and protect Jabos and T&B fighters from gangbanging.
5) Goons and/or troop carrying GVs/LTVs.
In this plan, you would be performing the roles defined in 2 and/or 4. So, there is no discprepancy between what you stated and what your role should be in this type of environment.
What bothered me was that a significant portion of the pilots at 61 refused to engage unless they could do so with complete safety. They attacked nothing until the enemy had been greatly depleted by those who were willing to wade in, regardless of the enemy numbers. They were not completely useless, as we can always use them as worst-case examples.
I did take the time to jot down a few user names. This will allow me to know who I can depend on, or not depend on in the future.
It's all about teamwork. Unfortunately, some are not interested in teamwork, but only interested in padding their numbers with minimal risk.
My regards,
Widewing
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For God's sake guys, are you all forgetting, that this is only a game. It's not WW3. Urchin/Wab you are both two real good sticks and TBH all this nastyness is unbecoming of both of ya. Kiss and make up:confused:
Gremlin.
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I distinctly remember a 1:1 engagement with a certain pilot. I was in a P-51B and he in an 190A-8. He decided to press the engagement and I ended up on his 6. He tried every trick in the book from flopping to trying to force an overshoot. I stuck behind him slowly pinging away at him with my 4 .50s. As we wound down towards the deck, two P-51s showed up to spoil the fight. I had to break off as one zoomed in on me and ended up coming around HO with the 190 as we both fired. I got the kill and was killed about 10 seconds later by the second P-51.
Urchin: "I didn't know the AKs knew how to fly"
Typical. I think about that engagement every time I read this tripe from you Urchin. Seems you have a real issue whenever an AK shoots you down. You have to get on channel one or come here and complain about how awfull they were for doing it or how unfairly it was done. Time to get rid of that chip. Either that or get used to it... cause it seems to happen alot.
AKDejaVu
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People flying la7s is due to scoring? On what exactly do you base this opinion? (The only people I've heard "score" from so far are the little girls upset about what other people are flying).
In fact, if you all would stop worrying about score for a bit, you might actually enjoy being the 1 vs the 12, like most of us who realize we are simply playing a game do.
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What i'm thinking about is why are you stupid enough to fly into a herd of enemy plane's....la7 or not.....work on your SA dipchit and maybe you'll survive longer and won't have to whine so much.
just an opinion:p
SLO
4Wing=441 Silver Fox=
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Advantages come in many forms. It can be via a superior aircraft, a superior position or from superior experience and skill. Urchin, you sound like a very good pilot and I commend you for taking the 109E up in the MA. It sounds like you aren't really doing all that poorly at it based on your write-up comparing your score to AKWabbits. Seriously though, those people who have little skill (like me) or are new don't always want to be targets and they'll sometimes try to pad their chance of success with either numbers or plane-type. I for one will NEVER step into an LA7 or N1K and feel for those who prefer earlier-war aircraft...because I am one of those. I too grumple at the LA7s who toss me around like a seal between two Orcas. But be flexible and adapt. I'm sure you'll find a new way to troll for targets that'll put you in much less of dire straights in no time soon. But at least now you can probably empathize with the newbie or those who just can't grasp a 3-dimensional fight on a 2-dimensional monitor.
Anyway, I agree and disagree with you overall.
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Hell, guess I'll throw in my $.02. Yes, I'm an amazinhunk, and you Urchin are a whiner. I'll pick amazinhunk any day. AK's will gangbang ya even on BB.
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>The only good thing I can see here is that you finally took this
>garbage off the open channel- or are you still doing it there, too?
Kieran,
Although I wasn't there that night, it is my understanding he threw a tirade on channel 1 as well.
(S!),
Wab
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
One day... one great day... someone at sometime is going to accuse me of cheating.
I can't wait!
Ya Friggin Cheater!
Couldn’t resist. I still remember the fight we had on the ndsisles terrain at fur ball island. Seemed to me that LA5 was doing some pretty suspicious stuff ;).
Zippatuh
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urchin said........."As usual... Lazs has opened his amazinhunk to speak without opening his eyes to find out what the thread is about. Good job Lazs. Excellent contribution
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actualy.... I think I know what the thread is about even more than you do. You are not exactly..... complex.
lazs
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Wabbit's (I think) pointer about analyzing WHY we get shot down is the number one most important consideration.
When I do dumb stuff like the Kamikaze 1v25 I know the outcome from the beginning and I blame myself for getting into that situation to begin with. If I get two or three (specially if I get them to augger) - I am satisfied.
Oh, another thing, if you choose to fly an early model plane, I think you are making a statement about your confidence and flying skills, and should be applauded, especially when you beat superior planes and numbers. But, if you die in it, don't lower the respect other cyber-jocks have for you by whining about how unfair things were. You made a choice when you rolled, live with it. I find that a cordial or gets the point across... Most times I won't acknowledge any jabs from killers or killies, unless of course my name or squad is specifically brought into it, then I try to handle it on private. I think the whole point of this game and A2A combat is to make things as unfair for your opponent as possible. If you aren't doing that, you aren't trying.
This game is about fun, but getting killed just plain sucks. If you aren't having fun, take a break for awhile.
Ultimately, we are ALL here to have fun. A little less seriousnees might be in order.;)
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Originally posted by Steven
Anyway, I agree and disagree with you overall.
Alias: Bill "Slick Willy" Clinton
Man that was smooth....:D
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Well said BigMax.
(S!),
Wab
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Thanks for the warning. I didn't have to read your post.
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Urchin:
Nobody forces you to be gang raped by numerous cons.
There is no rule saying youy must fight them.
There is no reason to get cought by them.
There is no reson to fly into the middle of them.
You aren't expected to kill them all.
I fly the FW190A5 and Bf109G6, neither are very fast or turn all that well.
You can easily survive large enemy atacks in these planes if you are careful and don't allow yourself to be sucked into the center of the fight, or even worse center and low. Fight on the fringes, pick a target, attack, extend, climb, reavaluate.
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Originally posted by weazel
Re: All this baloney from the worst shoulder shooter in rookland.
? Weazel? What you mean by that?:confused:
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Originally posted by mipoikel
? Weazel? What you mean by that?:confused:
I mean your shooting over the shoulder of another player saddled up on an enemys six, you've done it to me several times.
Anytime I see you behind me in the future I will do my utmost to fly into your bullet stream and kill shooter you.
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heh, nothing repels a spit horde like a La7.
oh wait, we're not advocating the La7 here??? ;)
Gang bangs suck, but they happen. I don't jump in on one usually, so I'm not gonna blow my alt for an assist unless it looks like someone's in trouble.
Shane. The other day in the CT, you had a 109 low against 2 Spits/Hurris. Skernsk and I stayed up and watched. You did the best you could against 'em and started to get the advantage on 'em. Skernsk then dropped down, I stayed up. Totally fair IMO, he was protecting his teammates. Glad to see you agree with that.
Urchin, take a break bro. No sense getting this worked up over a game. Have fun, even if you do get ganged. Just say something like "I know it takes at least 4 of ya to get me, but 8??? come on guys, ya don't need that many for lil' ol' me" ;)
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Originally posted by BigMax
Wabbit's (I think) pointer about analyzing WHY we get shot down is the number one most important consideration.
When I do dumb stuff like the Kamikaze 1v25 I know the outcome from the beginning and I blame myself for getting into that situation to begin with. If I get two or three (specially if I get them to augger) - I am satisfied.
Oh, another thing, if you choose to fly an early model plane, I think you are making a statement about your confidence and flying skills, and should be applauded, especially when you beat superior planes and numbers. But, if you die in it, don't lower the respect other cyber-jocks have for you by whining about how unfair things were. You made a choice when you rolled, live with it. I find that a codial or gets the point across... Most times I won't acknowledge any jabs from killers or killies, unless of course my name or squad is specifically brought into it, then I try to handle it on private. I think the whole point of this game and A2A combat is to make things as unfair for your opponent as possible. If you aren't doing that, you aren't trying.
This game is about fun, but getting killed just plain sucks. If you aren't having fun, take a break for awhile.
Ultimately, we are ALL here to have fun. A little less seriousnees might be in order.;)
The other day one of the AKs (AKIron Ibelieve) hit me with a long range shot from his La-7. The distance was right around d.8-.9, and it hit my cockpit. Lucky shot? Maybe, but likely just damn good shooting. I was waiting for the range to drop to d.7, where I could easily wrap my SpitV around and give the Lavochkin driver some religion. That shot spoiled my plan. However, I made a point of offering a compliment on the shot on channel 1. The fact that the La-7 is much faster than the SpitV is generally a non-issue. I've killed more of them, then they've killed me. Give a Hurricane an alitude advantage and it becomes just as dangerous if not more so with those 4 Hizookas. Everything is relative. Sure, it can be all but impossible to chase down a Lavochkin if he starts with an E advantage. But, his chances of killing a well flown Spit are also very low.
During the past three tours, I have never been gangbanged by the AKs, nor have I ever seen anything that would be considered poor sportsmanship. On the contrary, I have exchanged salutes with them whenever possible. Their squadron has shot me down 8 times, and I've got them 12 times in return this tour. So, I do not understand the anger displayed. Some of them fly the La-7, but some also fly the Niki or P-51 and the Spitfires. As it is, I hold these folks in high regard, without cause to think less of them. Now, if Urchin has some personal thing going on, that's something he will have to resolve.
My regards,
Widewing
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Well, at least now I know how some really 'good' pilots maintain their scores.
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I have a good idea who those guys are :rolleyes:
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Well, there are two ways "good" piolts in the MA maintian there score. 1) By flying really easy planes in large numbers (spit's, niki's la's) and 2) This :
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I dunno, I much rather be surrounded by enemies than friendlies.
The friendlies just wanna steal my kills, gang bang the lowest con while ignoring the higher ones, and get in front of me when I'm shooting my guns. And on top of all that, I can't shoot the friendlies down.
When I'm surrounded by the bad guys, man those are the most fun adrenaline rushes you'll ever have. Every which direction you turn you got a target in front of you just asking you to kill them.
And, I know it takes a lot more SA to fight multiple cons than in a 1vs1 or in a 12vs1 (where you one of the 12), but that's part of the fun.
They make great films too.
-SW
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Wow.. and here i am trying to decide if i missed ugly nurses and barium enemas more than the AH.
tough call.
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Originally posted by JoeCrip
Well, there are two ways "good" piolts in the MA maintian there score. 1) By flying really easy planes in large numbers (spit's, niki's la's) and 2) This :
Lol JoeCrip
I personally am moving to the dora now because of all these cock-sucking gangbangers in the MA, i'm have a nice 1vs1 with some guy and all of a sudden i get 5 Nik2s trying to get me from behind, it's times like those i wish ALt-f4 didn't give anyone a kill
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Man that was smooth....>>> - Bigmax
Awww, man! Don't make that comparison. Anyway, I do agree with Urchin that it can bite for some of us who want to fly some of the earlier stuff in an arena of Spits, 51s, N1Ks and LA7s or when you are in a good 1v1 fight and a horde jump in on the fight. I get angry sometimes at being outnumbered and getting slapped around as well. If the F4F or P40 is ever introduced, I can't see myself ever being able to enjoy them in the MA. But on the other hand, I disagree with him because you can adapt and find work-arounds. The whole point of this game is that it shouldn't be easy. Because I am not very good at the turning and burning, I'm very careful with the position I put myself in when in the MA. I probably have one of the lower kills/time ratio. Anyway, yeah, I do agree with him and I don't. But dang, don't compare me to Bill!
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Originally posted by Soviet
I personally am moving to the dora now
But will you be able to get over it not having the proper swastikas?
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All I can say is the KI61 OWNS........ don't ask why I posted that on here but it does :) give it a try..... u will like like
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Originally posted by JoeCrip
Well, there are two ways "good" piolts in the MA maintian there score. 1) By flying really easy planes in large numbers (spit's, niki's la's) and 2) This :
Yo JoeCrip - don't know whose score that was, but he's gaming the game. :) It's not possible to have a field capture while in attack mode unless you kinda cheat -- release the troops, exit the vehicle before the troops get there, get in a plane and select attack mode. That's the only way I figure they can do it.
curly
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Originally posted by Montezuma
But will you be able to get over it not having the proper swastikas?
WTF kind of comment is that? I mostly fly German planes already and I'm not squeaking for swastikas.
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Originally posted by Soviet
WTF kind of comment is that? I mostly fly German planes already and I'm not squeaking for swastikas.
No, but you do act like a Nazi (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44714&highlight=marijuana).
-SW
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You know what? F*ck you.
If you can't get over that stupid drug thread then Golly-geemit you have problems. Remove your head from your bellybutton for 2 seconds
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I can get over the drug deal, but the fact that you believe people should die and be super duper f'ed in jail for life because they have a problem that they can't stop... then that means you are no better than they are, and think like a Nazi.
"I'm better than them, they shouldn't live!"
-SW
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OMG... nice troll Swulfe...
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HTC Closed the drug thread for a reason. Repect's HTC decision to close that thread, and end this nonsense of bring up old threads.
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I agree JoeCrip, to bring up a thread from almost 2 months ago is childish. I mean come on, i'm entitled to my opinion and then get called a Nazi for stating it, real mature :rolleyes:
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I didn't call you a Nazi, I said you act/think like one.
But hey, just say nein to drugs!
-SW
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Originally posted by Soviet
WTF kind of comment is that? I mostly fly German planes already and I'm not squeaking for swastikas.
Liar.
vhere are mein svastikas (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27144)
You shouldn't be making obscene homo references about other players. While that may be what is on your mind, we really don't want to know.