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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jack55 on March 25, 2002, 01:02:33 PM
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25 March 1898 - Assist. Secretary of the Navy Theodore Roosevelt proposes Navy investigate military application of Samuel Langley's flying machine, beginning naval aviation.
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On March, 23, 1878, Counter-Admiral A.F.Mozhayskiy sent a letter to Senior Engineering Administration, suggesting to build a flying machine heavier then air.
On July, 20th, 1882, the airplane, piloted by mechanic I.N.Golubev took off in a first test flight, flied for some distance and landed, damaging one of the wings...
(http://www.arsia.ru/akons/mogaisk.jpg)
Alexey Fedorovich Mozhayskiy
(http://eroplan.boom.ru/shavrov/chr1/mosj/Image124.jpg)
The Mozhaiskiy's plane.
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Edit:(I'm getting soft in me old age)
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Rip, thank you ;)
What amazed me was that Mozhayskiy's letter was sent almost exactly 20 years before Teddy's. March, 23 is according to Julian calendar, it was March, 10 "new style", but still very close...
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So now the Wright Brothers weren't the first to fly a heavier-than-air aircraft?
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1884 -- Alexander Feodorovich Mozhaiski, Russian Empire: Mozhaiski may have had some success getting his large machine into a glide from a downhill ramp, but pre-Soviet evidence suggests it quickly tipped over on one wing. Judging from the design of the plane and its similarity to others being experimented with in England at the time, it's unlikely he was ever able to take off from a flat surface. Under Stalin's reign, Mozhaiski was put forward as the inventor of the airplane.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
So now the Wright Brothers weren't the first to fly a heavier-than-air aircraft?
Yup didn't you know? The Russians inveted everything we call modern. Stupid western propogandist just made it look like the Wrights were the first, it really happened 25 years earlier! :rolleyes:
I tell you I don't know which scares me more. The old soviet union or the fact that people there actually believed what was sold to them then, and still continue to believe it today.
Boroda, I guess you guys inveted the lightbulb too huh? hell why stop there, you guys invented electricity too right? :rolleyes:
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It did tip over, it wasn't questioned. Another good move to blame Evil Stalin, WTG!
But it was the first project of an airplane of modern scheme - fuselage, wings and tail. And it DID fly ;)
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Originally posted by Boroda
And it DID fly ;)
Kind of like a car flying from a cliff?
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Originally posted by Udie
Boroda, I guess you guys inveted the lightbulb too huh? hell why stop there, you guys invented electricity too right? :rolleyes:
Yablochkov's "electric candle" was used in the streets of St.Peterburg long before Edison invented modern light bulb.
:p ;) :D :cool: :rolleyes:
Udie, you can question many things, but Mozhayskiy's airplane, Popov's radio and many other things are straight facts. There are original documents in Imperial archives that prove that.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Kind of like a car flying from a cliff?
Dude you owe me a new keyboard and monitor!!!! spewed coke all over the old ones after reading your reply :D
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Alexander F. Mozhaiski, a captain of the Imperial Navy of Russia, built a steam-powered monoplane based on Henson's designs with one tractor propeller and two pusher propellers. It was tested in 1884 at Krasnoye Selo, near St. Petersburg, with I. N. Golubev in the pilot's seat. (There wasn't much for him to do; the airplane had no control system.) It took off on a jump ramp and flew for approximately 100 feet before crashing. This was the second power-assisted take-off in history.
Please give Boroda a little credit, and Boroda please don't overstate the accomplishment. Mozhaiski was one of the poineers of aviation, and a visionary. His plane would probably never have flown with the steam engines, but modern recreations biult in miniature have been very successful.
His flight was more like a catapult shot, and really was just a small step in the direction of powered controlled flight which was invented by the Wright brothers.
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also called Paul Jablochkov born Sept. 14 [Sept. 2, Old Style], 1847 , Zhadovka, Russia
died March 31 [March 19], 1894 , Saratov
Russian electrical engineer and inventor who developed the Yablochkov candle, the first arc lamp that was put to wide practical use and that greatly accelerated the development of electric lighting.
That is from Britanica.com.
An Arc lamp is not a light bulb, and there is no question that Yablochkov invented the arc light. Heck we still use them for used car sales and theater lighting. They were not practical for home use as the Edison light bulb proved to be.
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Sorry, one more.
Popov or Popoff (http://www.webstationone.com/fecha/popov.htm)
Popov was a co-creator of radio, and may have even beaten Marconi to the punch by a few months. The difference is Marconi's marketing and publishing of the discovery. A popov radio is responsible for the 1st distress signal from a sinking ship resulting in a rescue in 1899.
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there you go again with those damn facts Tahgut :mad:
Now you've scared Boroda away! :D
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Yea, there's nothing that those commie bastards could ever have invented before the great western civilization that we all are. WTF is a sputnik anyway
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Well, the Indian epic (Mahabrata..SP?) make reference to flying machine "Vimanas" powered by some sort of mercury-burning engine.
And then of course we have to take into account the stupid caveman that slipped on the edge of the 500ft cliff and flapped all the way down.
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remember that old joke from the '70's?
the 3 stages of development
1. it's invented in the US
2. the japanese make it smaller and cheaper
3. the russians claim they've had it for 20 years and have been keeping it a secret.
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LOL
So true, so true, so tragically true...........
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They were not practical for home use as the Edison light bulb proved to be.
The Edison bulb was exactly the same design as the one invented by Thomas Swan.
Swan designed the bulb 18 years before Edison, but couldn't make it work properly and abandoned it. However, he modified it in 1878, using exactly the same filament Edison "invented" a year later.
Edison may not have copied Swan's bulb, but his invention merely duplicated something that had already been built.
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Yeah? Well I invented peeing while standing up.
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1. it's invented in the US
2. the japanese make it smaller and cheaper
3. the russians claim they've had it for 20 years and have been keeping it a secret.
LOL!!!
We have almost the same joke about Americans: "That Russians always steal our designs! They already have built a plane that we planned to design 5 years later!"
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I never said that Yablochkov invented light bulb - he only designed a first practical usable source of electric light.
TahGut, Mozhayskiy "invented" the first "modern" airplane, and, please remember, that Wright's first flights were as successfull as his first experiments. It's not his fault that he didn't succeed. And his airplane was based on a kite design, observer kites were widely used in Russian Army and Navy. I think that most important work in heavier-then-air flight was made not by Mozhayskiy or Wright brothers, but by Otto Lilientahl. (probably wrong spelling - you know, we have different alphabet).
You guys don't believe that "that Russian barbarians" ever invented anything. A year ago there was a nice discussion about MiG-15 here, and it showed another brilliant work of your propaganda. Hehe, some people believe that "democracy" was invented in the US ;)
There are some Russian "inventors" who were "invented" by our propaganda, like Cherepanov brothers, who "invented" a railway steam-engine in 1830s, but if you use your brain it's very easy to distinguish them.
BTW, do you know who invented copper wire? Two Jews who found a penny ;)
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I saw the soviet shuttle launch back in the 80's, gee it sure did look familiar. I wonder where the designs came from.
I saw a show the other night on the history channel. They talked about how the soviets stole the plans and built their own b-29's.
WB free host.....
In my lifetime I've seen mostly murderers and crooks come from your land, except for the few smart enough to leave and move to freedom, why would it have been diferent over 100 years ago? :rolleyes: :D :p
puh'lease!
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Damn, that Tupolev Tu-4 sure looks like a B-29! Down to the Boeing insignia on the rudder pedals.
We copied the plane and those bastards at Boeing even copied their company logo.
(http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/rafaq_tu4.jpg)
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Mig-15? So THAT'S what happened to all those German engineers and Scientists after May of 1945! ;);)
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And of course the French and British copied the Concorde from the Tu144 ;)
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Originally posted by Animal
Damn, that Tupolev Tu-4 sure looks like a B-29! Down to the Boeing insignia on the rudder pedals.
We copied the plane and those bastards at Boeing even copied their company logo.
(http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/rafaq_tu4.jpg)
Just when I'm about to write you off, you come up with something like that. :D
Bwahahaaha!. :p :D ;) :D :p ;)
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Man this is the best thread in a long time! Good stuff guys :) I forgot about their concorde rip off....
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Back on the same rail way ;)
Tu-144 made it's first flight 3 months before Concorde.
Tu-4 was a copy of a B-29, completely converted to Metric and with Soviet engines. The biggest benefit of copying it was to adopt a progressive American technology. US were always ahead of us in technological innovations and production cullture, but Russians learned to get better results with smart original design.
Buran has nothing common with American Shuttle. Check http://www.buran.ru
This all have been discussed here more then a year ago, looks like public rotates here often :( Check the thread called "MiG-15 vs Ta-183" or something like that.
If you use such pictures as arguments - then you have to admit that F-15 is a copy of MiG-25 :p
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Actually, it wasn't the plans that they got.. it was four whole B-29s in mint condition.
Each B-29 came in on seperate missions, but since Russia denied us use of their airspace against Japan, they "captured" our aircrews and planes that landed there.
We got the crews back after a long internment, but none of the B-29s were seen again. Well until recently when the scraps were found in some Russian junk yards.
The Tupolev designer kept the joystick column from the first B-29 that they dissassembled to study.
I forget the name of it right now, but it was on the History channel a couple of weeks ago.
So basically, the Tu-4 is simply an American B-29 that was dissassembled, studied, and then an assembly line came out of the blue producing an amazing new bomber... a "Russian" Tu-4.
-SW
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Just because the Tu144 flew first does not mean it was an original design. It was based on plans stolen from the French. The Soviets were just less cautious in their research and production phases. Losses of life and aircraft were acceptable if it meant that they would appear to have flown it first. And of course the first Tu144s had a straight nose that was later modified to the droop nose after the French Concorde.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Just because the Tu144 flew first does not mean it was an original design. It was based on plans stolen from the French. The Soviets were just less cautious in their research and production phases. Losses of life and aircraft were acceptable if it meant that they would appear to have flown it first. And of course the first Tu144s had a straight nose that was later modified to the droop nose after the French Concorde.
Tu144 was the first of the 2 to crash too :rolleyes: so much for the Soviets getting "better results with smart original design"
You've got to be joking boroda. After 10+ years of freedom I can't believe you still believe all the Soviet era crap that was shoved down you're throat.
hehe absolutely astonishingly humorous stuff in this thread....
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Originally posted by Udie
In my lifetime I've seen mostly murderers and crooks come from your land, except for the few smart enough to leave and move to freedom, why would it have been diferent over 100 years ago? :rolleyes: :D :p
puh'lease!
Thanks, Udie, you are always welcome ;)
I must be totaly stupid being what I am and refusing to "move to freedom" (being always invited by my Mother, an Australian citizen).
Oh, I forgot about that KGB colonel who forces me to spend money and time on our small project that makes you so angry (something free for everyone! no way!) and makes me post all that "propaganda" here ;)
(the paragraph above is a lame joke, just in case you have a "Jay and Silent Bob" sence of humor)
The degree of freedom that we enjoy here simply can't be compared to that nothing-but-slogans that you are granted. We made a huge step from socialism to freedom of personality in last 12 years, while you are stuck in a Cold war age.
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Originally posted by Boroda
The degree of freedom that we enjoy here simply can't be compared to that nothing-but-slogans that you are granted. We made a huge step from socialism to freedom of personality in last 12 years, while you are stuck in a Cold war age.
Dude you need to seriously think about coming over here and check out our :rolleyes:"nothing-but-slogans":rolleyes: freedom LOL. If you think we're stuck in the cold war age you're sadly mistaken. Most Americans forgot about the cold war about 6 months after you were defeated. But anytime I see somebody in here spewing soviet propoganda and lies I'll call it what it is :)
LOL!
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Freedom question for you Boroda.
How easy is it for you to visit the diferent states in the Russian Federation? Can you just get in your car when ever you want and drive across all of them? Do you need "your papers comrad" to pass over the state lines? Or can you just hop across the state lines at will like I/we can here?
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Russian (Soviet) science was not as backward as we were told during the Cold War, nor was it as good as Boroda was told during the Cold War. Stalin made some horrible policy decisions regarding science, and the scientists of the early part of this century. Read this Lysenko (http://evonet.sdsc.edu/evoscisociety/lesson_from_history.htm) to gather some insight.
Most great Russian scientists of the past, especially chemists were actually trained in Germany. This includes Mendelev, one of the greatest of all. But then almost all great chemists of the past century were trained in Germany.
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Someone help boroda, he's bein' Ganged!
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Originally posted by Udie
Tu144 was the first of the 2 to crash too :rolleyes: so much for the Soviets getting "better results with smart original design"
Do you know the cause of that crashes? Did anyone in the West have a fly-by-wire design in late-60s?
:p
BTW, great job of raising "public rage" against Concordes in the US in mid-70s. WTG. Nice way to get rid of competitors ;)
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I have no intention of ganging Boroda. I have actually agreed with him...(see my post on Popoff). The facts are the facts.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Do you know the cause of that crashes? Did anyone in the West have a fly-by-wire design in late-60s?
OH GOOD GOD!
Now you guys came up with fly by wire too!!! Jesus H. was Al Gore born over there?
Judging by the film I've seen of it, it looked like massive structural failure in flight. But I'm sure you will enlighten us to the true cause :)
BTW, great job of raising "public rage" against Concordes in the US in mid-70s. WTG. Nice way to get rid of competitors ;)
I didn't do it it wasn't me. I was only 6-10 years old at the time and thought the concorde was cool stuf!
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North American RA-5C Vigilante (http://home.san.rr.com/rkj/RA5C_Vigilante.htm)
"...The result of the competition was the Vigilante, the last strategic bomber built for the Navy... The A3J was first flown in August 1958 and established a new world altitude record of 91,450 feet in December 1963 while carrying a payload of 1,000 kilograms, thus surpassing the existing record by over five miles....
Electronics features:
The first production fly-by-wire control system..."
:)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The facts are the facts.
there you go again!! damn you!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:D
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Originally posted by Udie
Freedom question for you Boroda.
How easy is it for you to visit the diferent states in the Russian Federation? Can you just get in your car when ever you want and drive across all of them? Do you need "your papers comrad" to pass over the state lines? Or can you just hop across the state lines at will like I/we can here?
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Woohoooo :)
LOL Udie!
Yess, that's why US still has economical sanctions against Russia for not letting the Jews emigrate! Now I understand it! Papers Comrade, LOL!!!
If you have a "foreign passport" (costs 300 rubles, $10, takes one or two days to fill the forms and maybe a month later you have it) - it's only a problem of getting a visa in the embassy of the country where you want to go. It's hard to get a visa to US and some similar xenophobic countries - they don't give visas if you are a single male aged 30, like me (hehe, and you, LOL!). I was in the US when I was 16, and came back, so maybe they'll let me in.
And, of course, you can visit most of xUSSR countries with an ordinary civilian passport, without foreign passport at all.
Udie, it IS a humorous thread! WTG!!!
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Originally posted by Toad
[BElectronics features:
The first production fly-by-wire control system..."
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Wery sad that it's me who has to use English terms, not you trying to find Russian analogues for them.
Sorry, going to a concert of one underground communist looney, have to choose between clowns on this board (no offences, please, just trying to joke) and our native clowns with electric guitars ;)
Hope to read some more "humor" here tomorrow ;)
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Originally posted by Boroda
Woohoooo :)
LOL Udie!
:D
Yess, that's why US still has economical sanctions against Russia for not letting the Jews emigrate! Now I understand it! Papers Comrade, LOL!!!
huh?
If you have a "foreign passport" (costs 300 rubles, $10, takes one or two days to fill the forms and maybe a month later you have it) - it's only a problem of getting a visa in the embassy of the country where you want to go. It's hard to get a visa to US and some similar xenophobic countries - they don't give visas if you are a single male aged 30, like me (hehe, and you, LOL!). I was in the US when I was 16, and came back, so maybe they'll let me in.
Ok most foriegn countries I need a passport too. BUT :D I can with only a copy of my birth certificate visit most coutnries in this hemisphere. That's a form of true freedom IMO
And, of course, you can visit most of xUSSR countries with an ordinary civilian passport, without foreign passport at all.
eeew. The only thing we need here is a drivers liscense to be able to drive the vehicle legaly :) I've walked across 4 state lines :) I can visit any of our states at will as many times as I want to in my lifetime and don't need any sort of passport. I've been to Mexico, Jamaca and Hawaii, I don't have a passport and might not ever get one unless I make that pilgramage to Amsterdam (meeep meeeep :D)
Udie, it IS a humorous thread! WTG!!!
:D All in good fun! We may disagree on just about everyting, but I'd drink some Vodka with you if you'd have some tequilla with me :)
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I went to the Soviet Space exibit when it came to Dallas several years agao. The Soviet space program invented quite a bit of pretty cool stuff IMHO..
BTW they also invented some pretty damn big booster rockets !!!
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Originally posted by Krusher
BTW they also invented some pretty damn big booster rockets !!!
But didn't they all 'splode on the pad and blow everybody up? :(
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Hello,
The first Fly By Wire system I know of was the one used in the Avro Arrow. This would have been circa 1956. Many of the US sytems that evolved came from seeing the work in progress from this plane or from members of it's design team who went to the US after it's cancellation.
The F-15 a copy of the Mig-25? Bollocks. Totally different design concepts. Only similarity was both were interceptors and incredibly fast due to the power of the jet engines.
Udie: Russia is different from the USA. It does not have "states". Instead it has a system more like individual countries that are nominally under the control of the Soviet Union. Russia herself requires no additional paperwork to travel in, unless you are entering areas in close proximity to Military presence. In which case you probably wouldn't want to get too close anyway!
To be more precise Ukraine was part of the USSR but is really it's own country. Others are the same sort of idea but not all are politically split from Russia as others.
The B-29 is interesting. From what I have read Stalin forced them to build it instead of developing their own plane like they wanted too. After his death many found this abhorrent and linked it to an increased laziness in aircraft design leaning towards copying and merely improving licensed technology.
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Udie, your picture of post-Soviet space is very wrong. Yes, we all have passports (or "birth certificates" before 16), but most of Russians don't think it affects our freedom. JFYI: my passport is out of date since 1997, when I had to stick a new photo there at the age of 25, and I only had problems in some airports, that were usually solved in 10 minutes.
When I said "fly-by-wire" I meant a complete digital control system, with input channel linked to control through digital calculating machine, like it was later implemented in Su-27 and F-16. In le Bourge they used new experimental software, and it ended in a structural crash as Udie said...
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I always though it was a French Mirage fighter photographing the Tu-144 from the overcast that caused the evasive maneuvers that caused the structural failure :)
Charon
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What I heard was that the "unexpected" or "unprogrammed" stick movement caused a bug in a control software. Pilot tried to avoid a Mirage or it's trail (sputnaya struya) and his actions made the program crash :-(
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Borodo, interesting. If the Wrights didn't have photographic evidence of their first flight, it would most likely have been dismissed. "Trust, but verify" has been around for a long time it seems.
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Noone doubts Wright's priority in making the first flyable self-propelled heavier-then-air machine.
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Why do Americans try to tell us their country invented everything? Surely with such a large and diverse population, Russia DID invent some stuff first. And other places.
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It's not "Americans" gavor, it's just some people so full of their arrogant ignorance roadkill that they simply can't see the wood for the trees. They eagerly accuse Boroda (in this instance) in suffering from propaganda brainwash but surely sometimes one needs to look in the mirror?
American designs? Hmmm.. What's so particularly american do you find in Sikorsky helicopters? Last time I checked the great guy spoke with rather thick Russian accent until he'd died.
Or the infamous P47? Contrary to the popular luftwaffle belief Kurt Tank had nothing to do with it's design - and the designer name -Seversky - does not strike me as being of Anglo-Saxon "true American" origin either. Blimey - he was Russian! Woohoo...
Let's check later "american" stuff: Google... Belkin - that's just from the top of my head.
As for
I saw the soviet shuttle launch back in the 80's, gee it sure did look familiar. I wonder where the designs came from.
Well - I'll tell you - they came from Sergey Korolev's work. The chief Soviet rocket designer (Russian I have to add) drew sketches outlining basic design of a shuttle type space craft waaay back in the fifties. Remember? 1957? When that silly looking Sputnik went into orbit before your team led by - ahem - "true American" von Braun learnt how to wipe their arses without mommie's help. The drawings have been published, authenticated.. Won't you check them out? Although, I'm sure you won't - too pigheaded for that. So... When I saw the Space Shuttle launch I thought "gee it sure does look familiar";). On the other hand, there's just so many ways to skin a cat.
Now let's talk about T144, shall we?
Judging by the film I've seen of it, it looked like massive structural failure in flight. But I'm sure you will enlighten us to the true cause
Canards. Heard of those? The little control surfaces stuffed far ahead of the wing, next to the pilots cabin? What happens when they mulfunction in flight? Did you say "structural failure"? Blast! They did teach you something, if only you'd taken Logic 101 with that you'd have been right on the money. But since you never did - all you get is the effects, missing the cause completely. It doesn't help, of course that some Soviet moron official too bent on "Soviet = the best and the best can't fail" decided to blame pilots for the crash.
Remember Early 737s had several crashes when the rudder control was failing and moved and stuck the rudder in max deflection in flight? Was it "structural failure" too when tails were coming off?
And yes, while we're on the subject let's talk about "Concordski".Just because the Tu144 flew first does not mean it was an original design. It was based on plans stolen from the French.
Are you sure? Phone a friend maybe? No? Well - wrong answer pal. Ever heard of SU100? No? OK, it never did enter the service but it was a Mach3 all titanium strategic bomber prototype designed to counteract B70. Soviets didn't need to "steal the plans" - they had them already. And in a flesh too. And of course the first Tu144s had a straight nose that was later modified to the droop nose after the French Concorde.
OK, whatever :rolleyes:.
All in all - the Soviets flew 3 months before Concord did. I think it was just too much for the West to take and voila - "the commie bastards must have stolen the design" and the Concordski myth was born. Ask Hortlund, if you repeat anything often enough with conviction - it begins to sound like the truth... Especially if the Soviets weren't shouting "Hold on! Let's look who stole from whom. It's just our new secret bomber with enlarged fuselage to accomodate passengers rather than nukes"
Dude you need to seriously think about coming over here and check out our "nothing-but-slogans" freedom LOL.
Hmmm... Why doesn't he indeed? Again - I'll tell ya! (I'm full of it at the moment trying to get my parents to come and attend my wedding. And gawd doesn't this silly statement of yours strike a cord!) You know what's funny? That back in the good ol' USSR days it were those bad commie/KGB types that made it next to impossible for the Russians to go anywhere. Now? The "freedom" is upon them - as Boroda says 10 bucks and you have a passport to go and visit anywhere... Oops. Doesn't work. Why? Why don't you ask your oh-so-flipping-free-and-democratic embassies? Mom tells me that businesses in Archangelsk wrote off the UK as a potential business partner. Why? Cuz it's impossible to get visas to go there. So now British embassy on the arsiness scale is rated just below... Care to take a guess? No? Yep - your very own USofA... Democracy? Freedom? Oh please...
And please - all you need is a driving licence? Aren't you "forgetting" that you do need to carry it with you as well as car registration? Over here I need to have it if (and only if!) I want to drive. If the police stop me and for whatever reason want to see it - I have 7 days to present it to the police station of my choice... If I don't drive - I don't have to have any ID whatsoever. Nothing. And I can go to Scotland, Wales and Ireland too. In fact, the only effect of crossing the border would be seeing "Welcome to Scotland" signs and people talking funny. How that for "our freedom is free'er than yours"?
I'm sorry if it looks like I'm having a go at you personally but I'm getting very tired and increasingly frustrated at your ilk. I can dig Grunherz. I disagree with most of his but he's got some sort of grievance with the Soviets and can't see that Russians and Soviets are not necessarily the same God bless'im. What is your problem? You most likely grew up on a prosperity that the Cold War brought to the American industry. Shouldn't you be like grateful or something?:rolleyes:
Midnight - thank you for sticking to the facts Sir :)
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Sorry the stupid board ate my pic attachment:
Su100, 4 engines, deltawing, drop nose supersonic bomber
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Originally posted by -lynx-
It's not "Americans" gavor, it's just some people so full of their arrogant ignorance roadkill that they simply can't see the wood for the trees. They eagerly accuse Boroda (in this instance) in suffering from propaganda brainwash but surely sometimes one needs to look in the mirror?
American designs? Hmmm.. What's so particularly american do you find in Sikorsky helicopters? Last time I checked the great guy spoke with rather thick Russian accent until he'd died.
Or the infamous P47? Contrary to the popular luftwaffle belief Kurt Tank had nothing to do with it's design - and the designer name -Seversky - does not strike me as being of Anglo-Saxon "true American" origin either. Blimey - he was Russian! Woohoo...
Let's check later "american" stuff: Google... Belkin - that's just from the top of my head.
As for
Hmmm... Why doesn't he indeed? Again - I'll tell ya! (I'm full of it at the moment trying to get my parents to come and attend my wedding. And gawd doesn't this silly statement of yours strike a cord!) You know what's funny? That back in the good ol' USSR days it were those bad commie/KGB types that made it next to impossible for the Russians to go anywhere. Now? The "freedom" is upon them - as Boroda says 10 bucks and you have a passport to go and visit anywhere... Oops. Doesn't work. Why? Why don't you ask your oh-so-flipping-free-and-democratic embassies? Mom tells me that businesses in Archangelsk wrote off the UK as a potential business partner. Why? Cuz it's impossible to get visas to go there. So now British embassy on the arsiness scale is rated just below... Care to take a guess? No? Yep - your very own USofA... Democracy? Freedom? Oh please...
And please - all you need is a driving licence? Aren't you "forgetting" that you do need to carry it with you as well as car registration? Over here I need to have it if (and only if!) I want to drive. If the police stop me and for whatever reason want to see it - I have 7 days to present it to the police station of my choice... If I don't drive - I don't have to have any ID whatsoever. Nothing. And I can go to Scotland, Wales and Ireland too. In fact, the only effect of crossing the border would be seeing "Welcome to Scotland" signs and people talking funny. How that for "our freedom is free'er than yours"?
I'm sorry if it looks like I'm having a go at you personally but I'm getting very tired and increasingly frustrated at your ilk. I can dig Grunherz. I disagree with most of his but he's got some sort of grievance with the Soviets and can't see that Russians and Soviets are not necessarily the same God bless'im. What is your problem? You most likely grew up on a prosperity that the Cold War brought to the American industry. Shouldn't you be like grateful or something?:rolleyes:
Midnight - thank you for sticking to the facts Sir :)
If things were so good in your wonderful muther russia, why did you leave? Hey idiot, I need a licence to drive and not ID. I have never been asked for any form of ID by the cops unless I was pulled over for a traffic violation. I think you need to learn what joking around with Boroda is you seem to take it personal. Who gives a toejam who invented what? The west were the ones who knew how to capitalize from them, your guys couldn't seem to follow up, probobly had to get back to the bread line i guess :eek:
well back to work, have fun with you're reply :rolleyes:
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Blimey - aren't we touchy all of a sudden:rolleyes:? I never said things were "so good". I wouldn't be here otherwise.
As for "who gives the toejam" Yup didn't you know? The Russians inveted everything we call modern. Stupid western propogandist just made it look like the Wrights were the first, it really happened 25 years earlier!
Yours, I take it? No smileys, just rolling your eyes. So there, go to work, enjoy your day :) - mine's just finished and the four day weekend has just started :p.
Happy Easter everyone!:D
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Originally posted by Udie
If things were so good in your wonderful muther russia, why did you leave? Hey idiot, I need a licence to drive and not ID. I have never been asked for any form of ID by the cops unless I was pulled over for a traffic violation. I think you need to learn what joking around with Boroda is you seem to take it personal. Who gives a toejam who invented what? The west were the ones who knew how to capitalize from them, your guys couldn't seem to follow up, probobly had to get back to the bread line i guess :eek:
well back to work, have fun with you're reply :rolleyes:
Hehe, I thought it was me who takes it all personally ;)
Another "priority" question: who invented driver's license and road police? I wonder if it is another reason to blame yankees? ;)
And your constant jokes about "bread line" are very boring. I think I have to reply that you, Americans, hang black people and keep Indians in reservations.
:p
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Originally posted by -lynx-
Blimey - aren't we touchy all of a sudden:rolleyes:? I never said things were "so good". I wouldn't be here otherwise.
Yeah I caught you're thread about 5 minutes after traffic ;) that's not when I'm at my best.
As for "who gives the toejam" Yours, I take it? No smileys, just rolling your eyes. So there, go to work, enjoy your day :) - mine's just finished and the four day weekend has just started :p.
Well we need him thinking we're serious or he doesn't post!!!
Happy Easter everyone!:D
lucky bastige! I had my 3 day fishin trip last week so no time off this week :(
Happy Easter!
eek does this make us infidels?
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Damn you!
And here I thought by teddy you meant.. well.. you know.
:D
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Originally posted by Boroda
Hehe, I thought it was me who takes it all personally ;)
nah we all do that from time to time some of us more than others.
Another "priority" question: who invented driver's license and road police? I wonder if it is another reason to blame yankees? ;)
No idea man. I do know that driving isn't a right and I don't have a problem with requiring a licence to drive a 2 ton piece of machinery. Hell if anything they need to take some away.
And your constant jokes about "bread line" are very boring.
Come on now, I only use that one when I'm mad at a ruskie. It's been a while since I used it too :p It must work though :D
I think I have to reply that you, Americans, hang black people and keep Indians in reservations.
ouch! Tuche! But you got it 1/2 wrong, it's only southern republicans that are the racist...:rolleyes:
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We don't hang black people and we don't "keep" indians on reservations. They are free to go anywhere they want. I don't think you want to go into the whole issue of how your country has treated its own people. One word....purges.
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Raubvogel, everyone knows that you hang blacks and keep Indians in reservations.
How can you even dare to say that you don't?
Anyway, we know it better. You can't hide all that violance fron Russian people.
:D
Udie, Russian road police is a gang of racketers. They can only leech money from drivers, nothing else.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Udie, Russian road police is a gang of racketers. They can only leech money from drivers, nothing else.
Wow! maybe we're not so diferent after all! :D
(no offence intended Apache :))
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We may be different, but THEY are the same everywhere.
:mad:
Driving in Moscow is a sport for true masochists, and our "friends in grey" do their best to double your fun. That's why I don't even plan to buy a car. Underground is safer, cheaper, faster and gives me 2 hours of reading every day. A good book, diskman and 2 bottles of beer every evening make my way home very comfortable ;)
Ok, going home now, I hope Raubvogel will write something for me to laugh at tomorrow ;)