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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on March 26, 2002, 03:31:08 PM
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Ok... I am normally a 'Luftwhiner'. My main interest is flying German airplanes. I'll probably never even fly the Spit14 online.
That said.. Hitech, you DO have a small contengent of British fans in this game. By "british fans' I mean people that enjoy flying British planes, and only British planes. Just like most "luftwhiners' enjoy flying German planes, and only German planes. They have many reasons for their interest in British planes, most of them probably sounding pretty stupid to your average observer (go ahead, can ANYONE come up with a REALLY good reason for only flying a particular plane in a fantasy game with so many to choose from? And I mean a reason that wouldn't make you sound like a blathering idoit to someone who doesn't play Aces High? Thought so :p ).
The SpitXIV is a double-edged sword, in my opinion. It is great that you added it. The British plane set needed a late war Spitfire that is representative of what was REALLY flying at the same time as the P51D, P38L, P47D,N1K2,La7,109G10,Ta152.. the list goes on and on. However, I think 60 perks is a little bit, uhm... expensive. The plane is good, yes. It is not 60 times better than the SpitIX we have in the game now. Around 1,000 Spit XIVs were made. While that is not a whole ton of planes for WW2, it is a pretty substantial production run. If you were aiming to perk it that high because it is rare, I don't think it is rare enough to justify a perk of that magnitude.
The Spit XIV has pretty good performance. It can turn very well (it IS a spitfire after all :)), it makes 355-360 or so on the deck, placing it in the 'pretty fast' category. I've heard it makes 400 or so at 8k, that makes it a pretty fast plane. But so does the La7- and it isn't perked. It climbs very well. But so does the 109G-10... and it isn't perked. Granted, in a 1 on 1 situation, a Spit XIV will probably eat the La7s or G-10s nanas, but... our MA is obviously not a 1 on 1 situation.
I honestly think that the Spit XIV isn't even a good enough plane to run a 2/1 overall K/D in a tour. I could be wrong here, but only time will tell. The Spit XIV will be able to out turn the P51s, Doras, and LA7s, and it will be able to outrun the N1K2s and SpitIXs... but it won't be able to do a thing when 3 La7s and 5 SpitIXs are after it. That is a recipe for lost perk points. I know, I know. SA is king, blah blah blah. SA has absolutely nothing to do with it. Flying like a popsicle is king. The only way a Spit XIV will be able to avoid getting gangbanged is to avoid fighting altogther, or to fly with huge packs of friendly planes against 1 or 2 low enemies.
Furthermore, by perking the Spit XIV to 60 points, you have essentially placed it out of reach for the people who wanted it- I.E. the British fans. Many of the people that fly N1K2's and SpitIXs (and probably La7 and P51 and maybe even the Dora- although I think most people that are looking for an 'edge' would fly the La7 or P51 over the Dora) now would switch to the Spit XIV if it were unperked, I'll grant you that. But they aren't real fans of the plane- they are real fans of whatever plane gives them the biggest crutch they can use to make up for their lack of skill. The real 'fans' of the RAF fly the Spitfire (or Hurricane or Typhoon) because they honestly LIKE the planes. They'd dearly love to be able to fly the Spit XIV, but because it is so expensive they will probably only get to try it out once a week or so, hardly enough time to be able to learn how to get the most out of the plane. And that is if they save every single perk point they earn in the SpitIX or SpitV and put it towards flying a Spit XIV.
I'd like to put forward some possible solutions to what I see as a problem. You may not even see it as a problem, that is fine.
1. Drop the perk on the Spitfire XIV to 15 points. That should place it well within the realm of the British fans, while keeping it out of the realm of 'everybody uses it all the time'.
2. Alternatively, raise the ENY value of the SpitV to 40 or 45. This would give Spitfire fans a chance to earn perk points comparatively quickly, thus enabling them to fly the Spit XIV more often. Yes, I realize the SpitV is a pretty good plane, but it is not insanely common and it would let people earn perk points quickly without having to resort to flying the rather anemic Spit I. As it stands now, if you want to earn perk points really quickly, the only planes that have decent killing power and performance are the 109G2,109F4, and C205. I honestly doubt that a true fan of the British plane set would enjoy having to fly these planes to gather the perk points he needs to fly his favorite plane.
3. Introduce the Spit IX LF. Karnak could probably help me out with the exact version, cause I can't find my Spitfire book right now. It was a truly representative version of the Spitfire flying in 1944. It had more power than the Spit IX we have now, clipped wings, and the supercharger was optimized for fighting below 20k. This plane should either be free or be a cheap perk like the C-Hog, without the "gangbang icon" (in other words, just the generic "Spit" tag. This would give the RAF fans a truly representative 1944 Spitfire with better performance than the early IX we have now.
That is all I have to say right now, feel free to chime in with your opinion.
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I got the exact specs on it heer they are
Mk. XIV: First model with two-stage Griffon, Mk. 65 rated at 2,050 hp with deep symetric radiators and five-blade propeller. The airframe was completely redesigned and incorporated a broad fin/rudder, inboard ailerons, retractable tail wheel. Active in 1944, destroyed over 300 V-1s.
F.XIV: Two 20mm Hispano and four .303 brownings.
F.XIVE: Two 20mm Hispano and two .5 in. brownings.
FR.XIVE: Same guns as F.XIVE, cut-down fuselage
and clipped wings, teardrop hood.
F.24: Cameras and extra fuel.
Production (all forms): 957
GRIFFON ENGIN. friggin brits and there spits:mad:
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too low
however, if you need perkies it's pretty easy to do..
grab an a6m, waste a few ponies, niks, la7's and you're all set.
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well 900 spits 14 and you want to cut its price to 15... Wery well then cut price of Tempest to 20 and its gonna be my main and only ride :) Well you know what? Non of those things gonna happen. Spit 14 is priced just about right (maybe it could use some higher perk value but I trust on this to HTC)... Time will tell...
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I waste Ponys, N1Ks, and La7s all the time and I don't get any perks for it.
What, you mean I have to waste someone ELSE'S plane!?
...I knew there was a catch.
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I know, I know. SA is king, blah blah blah. SA has absolutely nothing to do with it. Flying like a popsicle is king. The only way a Spit XIV will be able to avoid getting gangbanged is to avoid fighting altogther, or to fly with huge packs of friendly planes against 1 or 2 low enemies.
I read that twice... and laffed my bellybutton off.
tks Urchin.. I needed a laff. :)
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Originally posted by Urchin
They'd dearly love to be able to fly the Spit XIV, but because it is so expensive they will probably only get to try it out once a week or so, hardly enough time to be able to learn how to get the most out of the plane.
Jesus man! Its only 60 perks! Average player has to have more than 1000 perks... And if you are devoted Spit V driver you have to have so many perks so you should be able to fly Spit XIV all the time... Tempest costs 70 perks and I can fly it all day and night long... And as for the training -> TA is free, H2H is free... etc. I prolly made enemies right now in the Spit fan's crowd but lets face it -> Spit XIV is way too hig risk for MA to be low priced... But if HT would give a go to an experiment why shouldn't it be for 1 tour for 15 perks and lets see the logs at the end... Personaly I dont mind meeting them in MA (partialy because Im spending still more and more time in CT and partialy because when they start to spread in wild il just grb my Tempest or 262 and will go sissihunting...) :D At least it would be plane after killing one you would bring home some perks when in 262 or Tempest :) Right now I have 4 or 5 kills a sortie and just about 1.2 perks for that...
Just my $0.02
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yea and while you're at it please make the F4U-4 cheaper too :P
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Im affraid that the F4U-4 is quite different storry.... so no Discounts here :D
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AirScrew standing on your nearest street corner with card board sign
"Will Work For Perk Points"
I just lost another 262 the other night and now find my self a little short in the perkies department. Brother can you spare a perk point so a poor dweeb like me can fly the Spit XIV.
You too can do your part with our "Help A Dweeb Fly the Spit XIV"
In fact you might be asking yourself right now "How can I help, Airscrew?"
Its easy, next time you see a 205, 202, A6M, Spit 1, Hurricane, 109E, or any other slightly slower early war plane, simple drop to a lower altitude, level your wings, and fly straight. Don't forget to chop that throttle a little bit too. In no time at all you'll be well on your way to helping dweebs all over Aces High get an opportunity to fly the vaunted Spit XIV. One extra note please, as soon as you hear the pings from the 303's please bail as quickly as possible we don't want to be spending all our ammo to shoot you down.
Thank You for Your Support.
AirScrew
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I'm a "dedicated SpitV driver" and so far this TOD I've racked up an IMPRESSIVE 40.89 perks.
Granted this is my first TOD, but if you add my massive 40.89 to the 75 I've gotten because the server put me into a team that's won the war three times I have a WHOPPING 115.89 perk points. Not quite enough to fly the SPIT14 twice yet, and given how perks tend to get swarmed...
I'm not disagreeing with the price, I'm contesting the basic assumption that anyone can fly it all day long.
:D
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do the perk points you get in the TOD work in MA?
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I have a total of around 2600 fighter perks. The reason I have so many is that a LOT of the German planes have fairly high ENY values (well, the ones that I like to fly and fight in anyway). Well, that and I have no reason to spend my perk points because I don't really like any of the perk planes except the Ta-152, and I don't like getting gangbanged in that all the time so I rarely fly it.
190a5- 30 ENY. It is faster and it has better firepower than the SpitIX, which has any ENY of ... 15? I think.
109G2- 40 ENY. Again, it is faster, and if you put gondolas on it is has better firepower.
109F4- roughly the same speed as the SpitIX, with gondolas it has more firepower.
109E4- Slower than the IX, turns about as well. ENY 45. Firepower kinda sucks though.
I've been flying the E4 some since it came out. If you get 2 or 3 kills per sortie, you are looking at around 10 perk points. I think the 'best' sortie I've ever had in it was a little over 20.
I think the AVERAGE player in Aces High probably has a couple hundred. Five hundred tops. Remember, there has been a huge influx of new players into the game- they don't start with perk points. Furthermore, when they save up 60 points to fly the SpitXIV, this is probably what they'll see.
1. Take off, fly around some.
2. Find an enemy plane. Lets say a SpitIX.
3. Turn with the SpitIX some until an enemy plane arrives. Lets say an La7.
4a. Assuming the pilot doesn't see the La7, he dies right then. Well, he can fly another one next month.
4b. Pilot sees the La7 boring in and decides to run.
5. The La7 easily catches the Spit XIV and forces him to turn.
6. The SpitIX catches up again once the La7 forces the Spit XIV to turn.
7. One of the two kills the Spit XIV and congratulates himself on his excellent flying.
The pilot can get the same result in a SpitIX... for free. Why bother spending 60 perks to get gangbanged (and with the Spit14 even the 1v2 scenario is unlikely.. it will probably be the Spit XIV vs. The original plane + any plane that happens to be fighting nearby + any plane that happens to fly within d6.0 + any plane that would normally RTB fuel, damage, or ammo but sees the Spit14 icon in the middle of a gangrape and decides to 'help out')?
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Thanks Urchin.
MadBirdCZ,
I truely doubt that the average AH player has 1000s of perk points. I wouldn't even be terribly shocked if the average AH player has less than 100, but it is probably higher than that.
The average AH player also probably loses 75% of the perk planes he takes off with and it probably takes him a least a wekk, maybe longer to earn those points back. I know that I earn about 75 perk points a month.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I have a total of around 2600 fighter perks. The reason I have so many is that a LOT of the German planes have fairly high ENY values (well, the ones that I like to fly and fight in anyway). Well, that and I have no reason to spend my perk points because I don't really like any of the perk planes except the Ta-152, and I don't like getting gangbanged in that all the time so I rarely fly it.
190a5- 30 ENY. It is faster and it has better firepower than the SpitIX, which has any ENY of ... 15? I think.
109G2- 40 ENY. Again, it is faster, and if you put gondolas on it is has better firepower.
109F4- roughly the same speed as the SpitIX, with gondolas it has more firepower.
109E4- Slower than the IX, turns about as well. ENY 45. Firepower kinda sucks though.
I've been flying the E4 some since it came out. If you get 2 or 3 kills per sortie, you are looking at around 10 perk points. I think the 'best' sortie I've ever had in it was a little over 20.
I think the AVERAGE player in Aces High probably has a couple hundred. Five hundred tops. Remember, there has been a huge influx of new players into the game- they don't start with perk points. Furthermore, when they save up 60 points to fly the SpitXIV, this is probably what they'll see.
1. Take off, fly around some.
2. Find an enemy plane. Lets say a SpitIX.
3. Turn with the SpitIX some until an enemy plane arrives. Lets say an La7.
4a. Assuming the pilot doesn't see the La7, he dies right then. Well, he can fly another one next month.
4b. Pilot sees the La7 boring in and decides to run.
5. The La7 easily catches the Spit XIV and forces him to turn.
6. The SpitIX catches up again once the La7 forces the Spit XIV to turn.
7. One of the two kills the Spit XIV and congratulates himself on his excellent flying.
The pilot can get the same result in a SpitIX... for free. Why bother spending 60 perks to get gangbanged (and with the Spit14 even the 1v2 scenario is unlikely.. it will probably be the Spit XIV vs. The original plane + any plane that happens to be fighting nearby + any plane that happens to fly within d6.0 + any plane that would normally RTB fuel, damage, or ammo but sees the Spit14 icon in the middle of a gangrape and decides to 'help out')?
There are alot of perk "bargains" in the Planeset but I think the P-47D25 and D30 are among the best. Loads of firepower and ammo to burn, all with tan ANY of 29-31. the La5 is also a perk Bargain.
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Damn Urchin.. u got 2600 perkies?
chit.. I ain't NEVER had more than a 1000.. and I got a lot less than that now.
henh.
Now i feel like the guy with the short stick in the locker room -> shower que.
Not a novel feeling i guess... but damn! 2600 perkies! Henh... figures i guess; I can't save any money either. ;)
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Was waiting for this post. I agree with Urchin that the Mk XIV is NOT worth 60 perks. The AC is nowhere near comparable to the F4U4 and forget about the Tempest. Both are far better AC and far more survivable in the MA. I took up a 109G6 earlier today... killed me a Spit14... took up a Spit14, killed me a 51 and got nailed by a Typhoon. Now - I wasnt looking behind me - was RTB - so its basically my fault - but I proceed to exit the fight everyone was in while the Typh was still about 4.5 back from me with only about 1.5K of alt. Anyway - point is - he caught me and I wasnt exactly low E. The SpitXIV should not be perked any amount over 15 because it simply isnt that great of an AC. Granted its 30K+ stats are great - but how many of us ever fly that hi? It doesnt turn great, doesnt yaw great, doesnt roll great, guns arent great, fuel isnt great, and it doesnt really have any speed advatage over say a Yak or La5FN below 10K. The AC is simply not survivable in the MA - it just feels too... sluggish - I cant comment on the modeling because obviously Ive never flown one - but I think the SpitIX is actually a better performer all around and Im sure any decent G10, D9, or 51 stick would make short work of it... La7 is a forgone conclusion.
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tempest f4u4 and spitxiv are all too expensive perkwise.
temp should be 30
f4u4 25
spitXIV 20
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Urchin: Around 1,000 Spit XIVs were made. While that is not a whole ton of planes for WW2, it is a pretty substantial production run. If you were aiming to perk it that high because it is rare, I don't think it is rare enough to justify a perk of that magnitude.
Refresh my memory for me... roughly how many FW-190-D9's were produced?
How many perkies to fly a D9?
Is anyone still suffering from the delusion that "rare" has anything to do with perking?
Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Not a novel feeling i guess... but damn! 2600 perkies! Henh... figures i guess; I can't save any money either. ;)
Damn, you all belong in the perk poor house. I've got 8,800 perk points, and before that my Calamari account had over 3,000.
Wish I could cash 'em in for money. :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Toad, nobody has ever told me why HTC perks planes they way they perk them. As far as I can figure, there can be only 3 reasons.
1. The plane was rare in real life (Ta152, for example)
2. The plane just outperforms every other plane to an overwhelming extent (Me262, Tempest)
3. The plane sees to much usage in the MA (F4U-1c).
Then you have planes that just don't seem to meet the criteria, in my opinion. The Spitfire XIV and F4U-4 are perked planes that are way to expensive, in my opinion. Neither one offers such a drastic improvement over the P-51, La7, 190D9, or 109G10 to justify a perking based on #2. Again, this is just my opinion.
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IMHO I think HT perks the planes that are overpowering (ALOT) in any type of fight (guns, speed, et)
F4u1C=8 perks (good enough for me)
F4u4=60 perks (to much mabye 45?)
TA152=60? perks (to much, not many people at all use this plane mabye 35?)
262=200 perks (to much, n00bs like to use it and they when they die they back to 0, mabye 150?)
SPIT14=60 perks (good enough for me becuase i dont use it)
From what i remmber the F4u1c was used ALOT becuase of its 20mm (back in the day when it was unperked) so HT perked it becuase people used it to much.
The spit14 should be perked to MABYE 45 but that would mean (i would hope) that you would take the cost from the F4u4 down and the TA152 (IMHO i think people would fly them more if they didnt cost that much). 262 is fine with me because i dont fly that much either (im afraid of disco and such :\) But if they take the spit14 and make it cost less then do it with the F4u4 and TA152........IMHO
peace
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Wish I could cash 'em in for money.
mebbe we can get HTC to do a beer fer perkies swap at the con.
then you can buy us ALL beers.. many, MANY beers.. there would be much rejoycing, great acclimations made by all your patrons touting the skill and daring employed to amass such great quantities and we'd all be happy as hell with the perk system.
Thank you.. thank you...
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"go ahead, can ANYONE come up with a REALLY good reason for only flying a particular plane in a fantasy game with so many to choose from? And I mean a reason that wouldn't make you sound like a blathering idoit to someone who doesn't play Aces High?"
Because I like it. And I don't like the other ones.
Now can YOU come up with a good reason for me to constantly spend my time online (which is bought at $15/month mind you) flying some POS that I don't like? Didn't think so.
J_A_B
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J_A_B,
That was not Urchin's point. His point was that people who only fly Luftwaffe, or RAF or P-51Ds or F4Us are not really being logical, but who cares. Urchin is in that group, as are you (I'm guessing, I seem to recall you are a P-51D guy) and I.
He was pointing out that if you happen to be an RAF guy your options are very limited in the late war category, where the German and USAAF have a wide selection. 60 and 70 perks puts these things out of reach for most of us. I will not be flying the XIV in the MA. I do hope to use it in the CT on ocassion.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Toad, nobody has ever told me why HTC perks planes they way they perk them. As far as I can figure, there can be only 3 reasons.
1. The plane was rare in real life (Ta152, for example)
Well, if you truly believe this may be a reason, the D9 was more "rare" in real life than the Spitfire XIV.
And yet the D9 is totally unperked.
So, why even mention production numbers in your first post? It's a red herring and, IMO, simply detracts from the debate.
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I could agree light perk on 190d9 and 109g10.
Also la7, spit 14 and p51d should have light perk too IMO.
Now that we have more early war planes this would be ok.
We would see more pre 1944 planes in air.
Or maybe it's time for RPS in future.
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Ill just say one thing :)
In CT before long you will see it at much nearer the perk value you would like to see urchin. Me262s are 200 in MA and around 25 in CT when its in there.
Who knows maybe a late war match up is in order in the DT?
SPITXIV , 190D9 , P51D , P47D30 , TEMPEST , ME262 setup anyone? :)
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I'm not sure exactly who I was respond to Karnak, but you're correct that it wasn't Urchin. I was responding to whoever wrote the part I quoted in there :)
J_A_B
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Well, if you truly believe this may be a reason, the D9 was more "rare" in real life than the Spitfire XIV.
HT said (from reading a post some one said something about this) that he perks planes becuase he wants to even everything out in the MA. Not how many planes were made and such (he might put that into play too IM not sure) I just wanted to say that
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Cut perk costs for all perk rides in half!
cept chog
I would really like to know how many perks the avrage player has in AH. Tossing out perhaps Leviathans extreme i might add.
I have been maintaining my perks around 1000, when I lose a 262 I go back to my normal rides until I've earned em back.
SKurj
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Toad, I mention production numbers because it is the only concievable reason I can think of for the Ta152 to be perked. The Ta-152 doesn't have the performance to merit perking on that basis, and were it unperked I believe that its usage would be low for 2 reasons-
1. It is, in fact, inferior to both the 190-d9 and the 109-g10 at typical MA engagement altitudes (which I consider to be 20k and below).
2. It is German. I know that sounds like a stupid reason, but I think a lot of people pick the P-51 because it IS an American plane, even though in my opinion the 109-g10 is better for fighting and the 190-d9 is better at both fighting and BnZ. Even though the 109 and 190 may offer performance advantages over the P-51, the P-51 gets picked for 'sentimental' reasons. On the other hand, planes like the La-7 get picked because of the performance advantages they offer over other common planes.
The production run of the Ta-152 (Which I believe was sub-100), would be the only logical reason I can think of for perking a plane that is slower and turns worse than all of the other 350mph+ (on the deck) 'speed demons' that are free.
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Guys its just 60 perkpoints! Its less than 10 sorties in any common aircraft which requires at least some decent skill to fly... So where is the fire? Its not HTC's problem that lot of ppl fly planes which are EZ to fly and no skill is required (Spits, N1Ks, La7s etc.) so please drop it ok?
About the perk totals - got over 2000 fighter no big deal and since I keep losing my Tempests due to Orels 'excelent' ideas like to attack higher B17 from below :rolleyes: etc. I manage to keep my perks just around the 2000 mark... Average sortie in Typhoon, Yak 9U or 109E-4 (yep i love to fly it and its extra rewarding), 202 or now also in G10 gives me 5-12 perks so what? I relly dont see problem with Spit XIV value but as I said I will not whine if the spit 14's price gonna be cut down for one tour in order to see how much and if it is gonna to flood the arena.
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"....lot of ppl fly planes which are EZ to fly and no skill is required (Spits, N1Ks, La7s etc.) so please drop it ok?...".
Well if you're so skilled what does it matter to you what the other guy is flying? Shouldn't have any problem killing somebody with no skill no matter what plane they are flying.
bowser
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MadBirdCZ,
If it is less than 10 soties for you, well, boffo.
But that is not the case for almost all of the players in AH, and no, it doesn't matter what they fly.
I don't spend much time in Spit IXs and no time at all in N1K2s or La-7s, yet a 6 perk point sortie is a very, very rare thing for me.
Mossies aren't easy to use, and there isn't much reward. You get less than a point for shooting down a P-38L, which is much, much better.
Stop using yourself as the "average", you're not. I'm not even the average, its below me too.
I seem to recall that somebody calculated that it took about 16 sorties for the average player to earn an F4U-1C.
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Originally posted by bowser
"....lot of ppl fly planes which are EZ to fly and no skill is required (Spits, N1Ks, La7s etc.) so please drop it ok?...".
Well if you're so skilled what does it matter to you what the other guy is flying? Shouldn't have any problem killing somebody with no skill no matter what plane they are flying.
bowser
I don't care what others are flying... Just seeing arena flooded by Spit 14s would be prolly as much annoying (and Im affraid to anyone) like it was when C-hog was a free ride... Maybe Iam wrong and I never said that Im right. I just unloaded my thoughts here.... So take it easy... And if you don't like me for my posts and you are not flying for Bishops you can try to kill me as many times as you want ;) But don't be disapointed after you kill me because my flying really sucks :p
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Damn, you all belong in the perk poor house. I've got 8,800 perk points, and before that my Calamari account had over 3,000.
Wish I could cash 'em in for money. :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
Leviathn, perhaps you can put them up on e-bay and start another account in AH. You may even be able to get a handle that comes with all of the vowels.
Vanna, I'd like to buy an "a" please. . .
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WHAAAT???
. It is German. I know that sounds like a stupid reason, but I think a lot of people pick the P-51 because it IS an American plane, even though in my opinion the 109-g10 is better for fighting and the 190-d9 is better at both fighting and BnZ. Even though the 109 and 190 may offer performance advantages over the P-51, the P-51 gets picked for 'sentimental' reasons. On the other hand, planes like the La-7 get picked because of the performance advantages they offer over other common planes.
Urchin, I've been right there alongside yah, rootin 'n all, till yah got to this paragraph... issit time fer us pony boys ta slap yer damn doras down again? ;)
lil detail... ain't no crummy sloppy slave built willie-boy messerschmidt or gay-tanked FW thats the equal of the Caddilac of The Skies.
Henh... "D9 better".. My ass!!!
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Hehe.. but you say that because you LIKE the P-51 :). True, you are a very good pilot and you can make her dance with the best of them, but which plane would be better for the average pilot? I'd say the D-9. It accelerates better, has a higher top speed, and it climbs better. It rolls better, turns marginally worse, and has about the same firepower. The only clean advantages the P-51 has over the Dora is it can hold its speed longer out of a dive and it has one amazing good view.
Anyway, this thread isn't about the P-51 or the LW birds. It is about the Spit XIV and how unfortunate it is that real fans of the plane won't get to fly it very often because of the perk price of 60 points.
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Yer right about the King Spitty.. and I'll spot yah an 'in my opinion' for the Dora exposal. Can't blame yah fer likin YER plane, either. :)
RUMBLE!! RUMBLE!!!
It's gettin to be that time of year again.. :D
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Originally posted by Hangtime
then you can buy us ALL beers.. many, MANY beers.. there would be much rejoycing, great acclimations made by all your patrons touting the skill and daring employed to amass such great quantities and we'd all be happy as hell with the perk system.
I think a perks for beer trade is a great idea, but what makes you think I wanna share any of it with the unwashed masses? :D
Y'know, this is a perk point idea that I think even lazs would sign on to!
-- Todd/Leviathn, who wishes there was some way to disburse perk points to squaddies or friends
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Originally posted by Honch
Vanna, I'd like to buy an "a" please. . .
Don't blame me for the handle length limits HTC imposes on us in draconian fashion. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Hmm but must admit Spit XIV are rare to find in MA.... For the whole time I was online today I met only 1 :( I wa really willing to fight him to see what is Spit XIV hype all about... But he went nose down and tried for a runaway... I hint for fighting Spit XIVs => with hole in fuel tank they cant run very far :D Well... I got him but I was rather disapointed because it was not a dogfight it was an execution :( Oh well from the 20 kills I made that sortie were only 2 perkplanes for sure (1x Spit XIV and 1x F4U-4) then I got 1 F4U which Im not sure if it was a D or C version (didnt see his nose if it was yellow or not)... Rest of the kills was assorted mix of B-17s, Lancasters, TBMs, 110s and other pure fighters... And I met single 262 but he 'extended' out of sight.. :rolleyes: Well after landing my kills I checked the perks and yes it was almost 10 perks for that sortie (9.12 to be exact) ;) And just for the record - I was in Tempest. At the end of the sortie Orel proposed that we should up Spit XIVs to check how do they fly but we were too tired to do so so we just logged instead and postponed this 'test' for a later date... So if you see 2 Bishop Spit XIVs winging it might be me, myself and Orel... :cool:
And now I really need some sleep...
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I think a perks for beer trade is a great idea, but what makes you think I wanna share any of it with the unwashed masses?
LOL! Good point. Tell yah what... I'll take a shower and buy YOU a beer. ;)