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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Raubvogel on March 27, 2002, 12:19:46 AM
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WTF is up with all the gangbanging in the CT? I flew 2 sorties last night...both times I engage one con...look around and next thing I know there are 5-10 cons engaging just me. The second time I said screw and just bailed out. Got tired of wiggling around while they BBed me to death.
Take it as a whine or whatever you want to make out of it. I logged right of it and probably won't give it another shot for a long time.
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Gangbanging Theatre ?
Is this a new adult channel ?
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hmm I was there last night and when I was having a dogfigh against a 110 a friendly came close and asked if I needed any help. I did answer "no thanks" and he did stay away :)
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
WTF is up with all the gangbanging in the CT?
Must have been a squad nite or something. I kept getting vulched trying to take off from Cherbourg - nearest non-capped base was way over at Caen. (Can't ever figure out why someone would not want to have people to fly against.)
Anyway, it was noticeable because it was unusual. So far it hasn't been the norm for CT.
- Oldman
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After you left Raub, the roster started evening out at 30 to 33. The imbalance was caused when the MA dumped. For whatever reason most people were axis. 20-30 minutes after the big influx the numbers were evened out.
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I believe Bishop (Axis) is the default country in the CT. Everytime I've been on, it stayed pretty even -- within two or three people. However, I can gaurantee it isn't any better in the MA, and is usually a lot worse. Don't base you opinion on one or two isolated events. If things like this happen on occasion, log out and go to the main. After a while, things settle down and just come back. That's the great thing about having more than one viable theater to play in.
Sabre
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I hate to tell you this Raubvogel, but this is a whine.
If you are aware of your suroundings, you should know that little dots coming from an enemy base soon become enemy aircraft looking for someone to kill. If you are low and engaged, you can only expect a front-line 1 on 1 to become a 1 on 6. We have all been there and you have been around long enough to know what to expect in this game. If you don't like being gang-banged, fly more cautiously and avoid areas with multiple cons. Have an escape plan, or just be satisfied that you did as well as you did while being so out-numbered.
eskimo
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Eskimo, I said it was probably a whine. I'm well aware of the "you should have better SA-blah-blah-you suck-its all-yer-fault-blah-blah" rants.
My point is that why would 4 more cons jump in when I'm already engaged with 3 of their teammates? It was retardedly stupid. There's very little dar in the arena. Dot dar is almost non-existant on the German side. In each case I engaged a single con at the fringe of the engagement areas.
SA means squat when you end up with 5-10 enemy swarming you. I know when I'm flying along and see 3 teammates engaged with a single con, I don't even think about jumping into the fray. I keep flying and looking for a decent fight. I guess to each his own. I'll stay in the MA until the next CT setup.
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Raubvogel,
I didn't say or mean to impy that you suck. I know that you don't and on the contrary am simply surprised that you are complaining about something that is so ingrained in the game. I fly both the CT and MA a lot. IMO, I do't see any difference in the amount of gang-banging between the CT and MA. If anything, I've had more uninterupted 1 on 1s in the CT than in the MA. I had one of my best streaks in a long time the other night in the CT, through most of it I was out-numbered. All I did was: hit and run, hit and run, hit and run. You have to expect in either the MA or CT, that 90% of all players will attack the one enemy that they have an icon on. You know the advantages of not engauging. Benifit from that and expect everyone else to do what they always do.
eskimo
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thats all ya ever get...........
you need better SA.......
well the main down a few times yesterday so the ct had some big numbers however they reached 3 to 1 at 1 point for axis so much so that most of the allied players were in a fact guys from axis squads.
They enter the arena pick the plane the percieve to be the "best" and proceed to gangbang.
I just logged 8 guys chasin round 1 hurri is no fun at all.
but its not isolated to times when the main was down.
I have came in the arena where it was 12 axis to 3 allied guys. I went allied and after witnessing 6 axis gangbang 1 guy over and over I had enough. I had gotten several kills and wasnt the 1 banged but its bs.
Even the fediddlein the numbers up when you come in or go to the fediddlein main. All these guys flying 110s never even fly lw stuff anywhere else. Well hmm this plane beats 303s ha ha ha I guess i know what I'm flying.........I've read that numerous times on channel 1.
I dont mind switching to allies even though all I ever fly is lw planes.
Between the gangbangers and the cv parking its starting to take away from the fun.
This is all player related. The setup itself is a good one.
Check the numbers when ya enter the arena if it more then 5 on one side go to the side with less. How hard is that........
There aint nothing wrong with 303s.
And to the fek heads who up tbms and ju88s to ack star go fediddlein somewhere else for that crap.......pos's
Anyway I see where your coming from Raub
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lol am I the only one who finds this totally 100% hilarious and hypocritical? 99% of my so-called whines have revolved around the issue of lame and unnecessary ganging, be it in CT or MA.
sooo.... lol Raub, you gonna add yourself to your own perma-squelch list? :rolleyes:
and while i'm on my soapbox, i'm one who will always go to a side which is outnumbered, no matter the arena or planeset.
and that "you had poor SA" line, i agree is total BS.
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well i gotta agree here.
I thought the whole point of the CT was to try to have a different arena.
few more missions, bit of chivalry with concerns for fighting instead of just gaming for kills.
I crave realistic behaviour in this arena myself but i'll also leave 2 cons to duke it out if they dont need help.With the 110 vs spits and hurris though you cannot fight 1 on 1 for very long so in this situation i will always go 2 on 1 to help.
if im in missions as escort ill chase cons off rather than dissapear myself for a kill.I'll also leave guys to ditch.
If its base capture i will vultch though and probably if ive killed all the ack ill vulch as i feel i deserve it after the risk.
today i was lower than a spit and a hurricane who chased me in a 110.After turning to fight several times and coming off worse and worse i ran for fleet and was taunted to come and fight.I replied i cant fight 2 of you and they said i could.Neither backed off and eventually i was killed.
I got a which i replied to with a but to be honest i was pretty bugged by it.There really is no need for it.However each plays how they like and i wont demand they dont.
Just think its a bit lame is all.
guess ill never see the type of game id like to play online. may as well give up hoping for it.Im not gonna change my behaviour though.In CT:
I dont kamakazi,
I dont gangbang
I warn fleet to leave area before i shell it.
I set up missions as often as possible.
I try to fight rather than run but i wont fight gangs of players.
I often
I try to help newbies
I can sympaphise with what raub feels here and to be honest, if you dont why not go do gangbanging in MA where you'll be appreciated. :D
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Originally posted by Shane
lol am I the only one who finds this totally 100% hilarious and hypocritical? 99% of my so-called whines have revolved around the issue of lame and unnecessary ganging, be it in CT or MA.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't think I have ever even replied to any of your BBS posts. The only reason I've ever squelched you in the arena is because you start talking trash non-stop. You trying to say I've been "pro gangbanging" in the past and now I'm a hypocrite? ;)
Anyways.....flew in there a bit tonight and saw more of the same. Some guy had a CV parked about 10ft off the French coast. As soon as I put my gear up the flak started in on me. Can't the CVs have flak and planes disabled or something? It's like a mix of Midway and BoB in there.
The planeset is good, the idea is good...just needs some fine tuning I think.
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lol, no you fool, my "trash-talking" is 95% directed at gangers, the remaining 4% to lamer runners in (usually in FW's and la7's) and 1% at those who are simply too timid to even try in a game of aggression. ;)
use the 1 remaining braincell you have to figure it out what i mean by hypocritical.
:p
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me then? I dont gang I have more kills in allied stuff then lw. And I never fly allies ever. Other ct set ups I would log rather the go allied so I dunno.........
whos the ganger?
I have said squeakin about on channel aint cool and I dont think I would have even posted I a thread of my own like this but since it was here I offered my reply. People whos choose to read the thread. Channel 1 its right in front of your face the same stuff over and over. Theres a bit of a difference. Not much but some :)
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I dont want to do this shane :D but it has to be said. Im a FW flyer!!.
Originally posted by Shane
lol, no you fool, my "trash-talking" is 95% directed at gangers, the remaining 4% to lamer runners in (usually in FW's and la7's) and 1% at those who are simply too timid to even try in a game of aggression. ;)
use the 1 remaining braincell you have to figure it out what i mean by hypocritical.
:p
as i said I canna' let this one go.I dont really get what youre on about but I cannot believe you have the cheek to say Focke Wulf flyers are 'lamer runners' when your main ride is the RUNSTANG!!!!. you say he has to work out what you mean by hypocritical? I think we can all do that:
Tour 26 Shane:
Model type Kills In Kills Of
P-51D 163 21
Model type Killed By Died In
P-51D 10 67
nothing against flying planes to their strengths but COME ON!! :D
are you serious????? lol
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I'd agree there's MA-ish gangbang-ism in the CT if...
* the numbers are like 26 to 12
* CV parked in front of the coast, Hurricanes being 'resupplied' to the fight scene every second instantly
* Naturally at advantage at lower alts, E-4s rarely get to enter fights on their alt of choice(15-18k).
But even if this is the case, if people are really in want of good organization and retaliation, they can scramble from other bases and group up before jumping into the hoarde. It's not like there are super-planes here. Everybody admits 'planesets well matched'.
The term 'gangbang' in CT is legitimate only with bad balance of numbers. Other than this, all those who get gangbanged most likely bring it upon themselves.
The case Raub complained about seems to be of the bad-balance in numbers, CV parked right in front of A21 and A20, massive number of Hurricanes low-alt capping the frontline bases near Callais-Dover.
Funny thing is, there are people who whine about 'gangbangs' even when this is not the case. How can one "NOT" mention poor SA?
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Without resorting to cheap shots in the whole MA vs CT debate... one thing is clear for both arenas...
Regardless of numbers, if you are a pilot that likes to fly alone you are always going to feel as if you are being teamed up on. This is because most others like to fly with wingmen.
There really isn't much point in complaining about it because its not the others that are flying a-historically.
As for the vulching... that's something to think about with every "you need to turn down the ack lethality" complaint. I will forever roll my eyes at that one. The only reason to turn down flak or ack is to allow people to be closer to enemy bases.... or to have easier access to them. I still can't understand why that would be desireable in any way, shape or form.
AKDejaVu
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There's an old saying among flight sim enthusiasts .
Vulch me once, shame on you, vulch me twice, shame on me .
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Originally posted by hazed-
I dont want to do this shane :D but it has to be said. Im a FW flyer!!. nothing against flying planes to their strengths but COME ON!! :D are you serious????? lol
not *all* fweenies (or 51's or la7's for that matter) are runners, nothing wrong with trying to taunt into reversing those that are, is there? :)
even when i flew FW's in tour 25 (MA) and 2 (CT) i flew true to my sig.
my point about "hypocrisy" is Raub is doing, albeit on the bbs, not ch1, the very thing he wants the perma-squelch for. :P hey! there's an "ignore poster" feature on the bbs - coolio!! :P
i've already posted my views on ganging before, but i'll say it again, it's lame, especially when you have a 3rd, 4th or 5th goober jumping in when a baddie is already engaged with 1 or 2, moreso when the baddy doesn't even have the advantage to begin with.
and kweassa, "poor SA" is just a line lamers throw out to defend their lameness - it's not like i *don't* see them lamely jumping in, just that there's not very much that can be done about it, especially when you're in a slow (turn)fight with the 1 or 2 you're already engaged with. if one flew "pure SA" and bugged every oppt'y when the merest hint of disadvantage reared its ugly head, why it'd be pretty boring (for me anyway) - and it's boring to try and fight against that type as well, although it can be fun to kill the help that comes to a runner's aid, while the runner fails to try and help the help that got themselves in trouble. :D
summed up - there are very few "sporting gentlemen" who play this game, and i don't claim to be one - and simply because someone tosses out a faux doesn't make them "classy" - there's more to it than that.
lamers are as lamers do. you know who you are. ;)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Regardless of numbers, if you are a pilot that likes to fly alone you are always going to feel as if you are being teamed up on. This is because most others like to fly with wingmen.
AKDejaVu
bzzzzzzttt ignorance rears its ugly head. there's a biiiiiiiiiiggggg difference bewteen a "wingman" and an overwhelming mob of latecomers to an ongoing fight that has very little to do with, say, a base being taken *way over there.*
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Ironic shane.. because the only time I've seen you in the CT (in my brief visits there) have been when you and 2 others were loitering near an enemy field and I was the only axis pilot on line.
You argue symantics as far as the term "wingman" goes. There is safety in numbers. That is completely historical. It always has been and always will be.
The whole 1:1 aspect of these games belongs in one arena... the dueling arena. Any argument to the contrary is simply someone sitting back and pretending that a game defines one's masculinity or honor.
AKDejaVu
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the turn down the flak was only for cvs.
the ack was exploding planes ar 22k with 4 hits.......
The only other time flak was brought up was when someone parked a cv off shore and our base was at 2k at 3 k 5inch would rip ya new one.
I dont know if your refering to that discussion for here in the ct or some other discussion about the main.
The current ct fields only have 4 ack at each. Not a real problem with ack.
Theres a difference in what is considered gang banging in the main and the ct.
When the numbers are 28 to 12 or 12 to 3 for 1 side in the ct is too much to ask that we balance up the numbers so we all can have fun?
What most people call gangbanging is a result of what they do.
They fly to an enemy base and expect to be given a 1 v 1. I dont mind being at a disadvantage in a fight but what I saw was 1 guy up and 6 guys beat him down. Or when numbers get to 2 to 1 or higher.
The planes in the ct are well matched and make for really fun intense fights. I had some realy long 1 v 1 s that were great fun. Win or lose.
I have engage 3 or 4 guys at once. Thats not gangbanging.
Gangbangin is 6 guys jumpin all over someone before his gear is up.
I dont mind using the cvs to get the fight closer. just dont make so I gotta up 2 sectors away to get some alt before I am tour up by ack.
I dont mind tbm and ju88s bombin and using evasives to stay alive. I just dont like some jumpin in an empty ju88 or tbm flying around through the fight ack starrin.
There should be no score in the ct no kill msgs nothing like that. lets up fight get shotdown and S! each other for the good fight.
No base capture no disabling strat (dar fuel etc). lets keep the combat part of the combat theater in the front.
Find setups that allow for parity and lets get to it.
But I am by far the minority.
At the very fediddlein least keepin the numbers within a reasonable spread.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Ironic shane.. because the only time I've seen you in the CT (in my brief visits there) have been when you and 2 others were loitering near an enemy field and I was the only axis pilot on line.
AKDejaVu
and i'll lay odds i went allied shortly after, as it's no fun having no one to fight, not to mention i don't recall this and if you had upped instead of obviously logging, i'd not have made it a 3 on 1, unless that was a setup with base capture and it was in process of being taken.
you really should fly more instead of posting so as to learn what's really going on befotre you hop on your high horse.
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Originally posted by Shane
and i'll lay odds i went allied shortly after, as it's no fun having no one to fight, not to mention i don't recall this and if you had upped instead of obviously logging, i'd not have made it a 3 on 1, unless that was a setup with base capture and it was in process of being taken.
you really should fly more instead of posting so as to learn what's really going on befotre you hop on your high horse.
Yeah.. it truly amazes me to see what you post vs what you do in the CT shane.
It was you, a spitfire and a typhoon. You were all flying at about 300 knots and keeping pretty low. You were keeping excellent spacing so that if I engaged 1 of you, the other two could be in quickly... but stayed just out of icon range most of the time. A 3: 1 like that for some time. Then you taunted me for "hiding in the ack".
I'd fly in the CT more... but you are there so often that its not all that appealing.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Wotan
the turn down the flak was only for cvs.
the ack was exploding planes ar 22k with 4 hits.......
The only other time flak was brought up was when someone parked a cv off shore and our base was at 2k at 3 k 5inch would rip ya new one.
It may have been for that... but from a different thread:Daddog, it was originally set to 1.0. I set it to 0.06 per banana's suggestions (the setting used in Big Week), then finally settled at 0.1, as I realized this setting also affects the small AAA, not just the puffy ack. At 0.06, field and ship light ack was having almost no affect (took 20 or 30 hits while in a PT boat, with no damage). The main complaint was the puffy flak. Unfortunately, the same setting affects all AAA.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Yeah.. it truly amazes me to see what you post vs what you do in the CT shane.
It was you, a spitfire and a typhoon. You were all flying at about 300 knots and keeping pretty low. You were keeping excellent spacing so that if I engaged 1 of you, the other two could be in quickly... but stayed just out of icon range most of the time. A 3: 1 like that for some time. Then you taunted me for "hiding in the ack".
I'd fly in the CT more... but you are there so often that its not all that appealing.
AKDejaVu
don't recall that, but i'm not known for ganging, or much for winging actually, i'm one of those "loners" you alluded to. and as i've stated, i'll switch to the outnumbered side when the balance is off-kilter. you ignorance is showing (again). be sure to stay safely within the horde of your squad, it's dangerous out there.
check out my new sig. :)
yanno, you come across as a very sanctimonius salamander as often as not.
faux
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Originally posted by Shane
don't recall that, but i'm not known for ganging, or much for winging actually, i'm one of those "loners" you alluded to.
I know what you say and I know what I've seen. Still waiting for the day the two meet. Your oppinion of yourself vs your actions... hmm.and as i've stated, i'll switch to the outnumbered side when the balance is off-kilter. you ignorance is showing (again). be sure to stay safely within the horde of your squad, it's dangerous out there.
Once again... its what you "state" vs what you "do". Just going on personal experience here shane. No need to talk about how you didn't really do it... cause that is what is called a "lie".yanno, you come across as a very sanctimonius salamander as often as not.
coming from you.. I don't know whether its an insult or you are jealous.
AKDejaVu
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that relates to the 5 inch guns only.
theres 1 setting for all aa including the 88 and 5 inch guns.
Theres only 4 ack at each field in the euro map. Not much to complain about there.
The axis kept their cv in the channel because without it they had no dar. Theres no planes available from that cv just lvts (invasion force)
In the interest of gameplay folks arent to upset that the allies would bring there cv closer to france to shorten flight times. This also had the effect of making the hurri the mainstay allied fighter in the setup. There had been concerns that folks would gravitate to the spitfire. Both are good matched for the 4e.
By keeping the cv close 5 inch was devastating to planes just upping so it did the opposite it pushed bac the 109s so they could get alt before getting ripped by 5 inch.
I lost 3 planes to cv ack 1 when i was d150 off someones six at 22k. 5 inch killed me and the guy asked over channel 1 how he got a kill..........
So the ack discussion (never an arguement) was specific to cv ack (5 inch in particular).
I think everyone enjoys quick intense fights but the instance of gangbanging I saw involved 1 guy uppin the gettin stomped he avoid the first three but after that sa dont matter.
He could went to a different field and came in higher but he still would have been gangbanged.
I just logged
Just because you end up outnumbered in a fight doesnt equate to gangbanging. Its when the last 2 or 3 jump in to get the easy kill when ya dont have a chance. It is funny sometimes to watch um fight over a kill but i can imagine it getting old fast.
Especially in the "Combat" theater. in the main theres always another fight at another field.......ct is what the guys in there make it.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Just because you end up outnumbered in a fight doesnt equate to gangbanging. Its when the last 2 or 3 jump in to get the easy kill when ya dont have a chance. It is funny sometimes to watch um fight over a kill but i can imagine it getting old fast.
Especially in the "Combat" theater. in the main theres always another fight at another field.......ct is what the guys in there make it.
this sums up my whole point of contention, whether it's CT or MA.
and deja you don't fly enough or encounter me enough to form a valid opinion, moreso when you base it on 1 or 2 isolated alledged incidents.
thanks for playing.
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Wotan.. I never called it an "argument".
As far as the "gangbang vs wingman tactics"... you guys are trying to draw way to sharp of a line.
There is no circumstance where a 3:1 is more or less acceptable. Intentions cannot be proven and are not to be considered. The only real way to counter it is to bring more fighters with you. I realize that sounds patronizing... but its really that simple.
Logging is the other option if no other friendlies are available. I can't criticize that decision.
I do wonder why people would chose to play in this manner and can see no logic in it. Though technically, any war is about making the other side not want to play anymore. I guess people are succeding. Now they can sit around flying all by themselves and rejoicing in their victory.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Shane
lol, no you fool, my "trash-talking" is 95% directed at gangers, the remaining 4% to lamer runners in (usually in FW's and la7's) and 1% at those who are simply too timid to even try in a game of aggression. ;)
use the 1 remaining braincell you have to figure it out what i mean by hypocritical.
:p
Hey cool! There's a squelch function on the BBS too.
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"you need to turn down the ack lethality" complaint.
well it never was a complaint it was a request for gameplay that most agree with.
I wing up or fly alone it doesnt matter to me but when I see 3 v 1 I dont jump in to make it 4 to 1. I engage 3 or more at times I am not bing gangbanged.
I have flown allied quite a bit in the ct to even the numbers. I only really wanna fly lw. But Its no fun 12 v 3 or 28 vrs 12 especially in a 512 x 512 map with 15 min fly times.
The problem comes from guys who all go to one side then rape 1 guy over and over. The ct aint a war you dont win nothing.
I dont see why folks cant just even up the numbers. I seen Raub and his guys allied Santa and a few of his as well. one night most of the allied guys were in lw squads.
I dont think that flying to where you know you'll be out numbered is gangbanging or that simply being out numbered is being gangbanged. However when its 12 to 3 in an arena and 6 guys are pounding on one guy thats gangbanging. Me and the other allied engaged 2 110s further north. I went down to check what was up and saw the same thing I saw when I entered 6 109s jumpin all over 1 hurri.
Thats pure gangbanging.........asking folks to simply keep the sides close in numbers aint a lot to ask.
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Originally posted by Samm
There's an old saying among flight sim enthusiasts .
Vulch me once, shame on you, vulch me twice, shame on me .
Hmmm. Guess it's true that that is an old saying. Doesn't mean it makes any sense, though, particularly in an arena where the friendly bases are not necessarily close together.
Not that I'm planning to start yet another "Vulchers: Men or Boys?" thread, but no one has ever explained to me why someone who was interested in air combat would want to vulch. You're just losing a potential opponent, in exchange for a pathetically easy kill.
- oldman
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"Any argument to the contrary is simply someone sitting back and pretending that a game defines one's masculinity or honor"
Deja, I'd say just about the *only* things that can be "proven" in an online game are one's definitions of sportsmanship and honour.
It's the rest that's the illusion.
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Originally posted by Wotan
well it never was a complaint it was a request for gameplay that most agree with.
Sigh...
"Flak is too lethal.. it needs to be turned down." That is a complaint. It was adressed.
I did not call it a whine. I did not call it an argument. I did not assume it to be anything other than what it was.Deja, I'd say just about the *only* things that can be "proven" in an online game are one's definitions of sportsmanship and honour.
LOL! Maybe "proven" means something different in Europe? Talk about illusions.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
LOL! Maybe "proven" means something different in Europe? Talk about illusions.
AKDejaVu
your opinion is invalidated by virtue of being ignored as
irrelevant. ;)
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Originally posted by hazed-
well i gotta agree here.
today i was lower than a spit and a hurricane who chased me in a 110.After turning to fight several times and coming off worse and worse i ran for fleet and was taunted to come and fight.I replied i cant fight 2 of you and they said i could.Neither backed off and eventually i was killed.
I got a which i replied to with a but to be honest i was pretty bugged by it.There really is no need for it.However each plays how they like and i wont demand they dont.
Just think its a bit lame is all.
Hmm.
I guess everything's a matter of perspective. I was the Spitfire in question, and I don't remember this quite the same way.
Admittedly, I'm still a nOObie, so maybe I don't recognize a gangbang when I'm not the bangee.
I lifted off from one of the bases near Brighton when the map showed the field near Southhampton under attack. As I climed to altitude -- Buhdman came up from behind and above me. I thought he was in a TBM, not a Hurricane as you remember.
Anyway ... he was above me, and I was about co-alt with you when your 110 icon came into range.
So what we had shaping up here was two fighters vs a fighter/bomber. I don't think that constitutes a gangbang. And do you think the Brits wouldn't have scrambled more than one plane to deal with a raid? Gimme a break.
Buhdman dove and made a pass at you. From that point on, I believe we were both either co-alt with you or below you.
I continued to try to close, but only got shots off when you made passes at me. I pinged you a few times. You took out one of my guns.
I've discovered that in Spit vs Ju88 or Spit vs 110 encounters, it's foolish to approach from behind, but quite difficult to get in front and above.
Again, I'm a nOObie.
Anyway. As you said, you ran to your fleet's ack umbrella. I asked on open channel if there were any Germans in 109s around. I was bored chasing Ju88s and 110s unsuccessfully, and wanted a fighter vs fighter matchup. I didn't really mean it as a taunt, but suppose it probably sounded that way.
I broke off from the ack; Buhdman hung back and warned me that you were coming out of the ack and on my tail. I saw you closing, turned, but Buhdman moved in and got the kill; I got an assist. He gave you the . End of excitement.
I'm not saying there isn't gangbanging going on. I flew too close to the French coast with no wingies one night and paid for it with a red cloud of 109s and 110 up my arse. I've had Vulgar shoot me down as I was dead-stick gliding/smoking back to base off the coast of England. (Took him 3 passes in a 110, lol). On the other hand, I've had guys break off after a good fight over the Channel when I called bingo on ammo.
You give a few, you take a few. No need to whine about it.
I was getting frustrated after several Spit I vs bomber matchups, unsuccessfully chasing jerries around the coast then halfway back to France. Maybe I shouldn't have vented on channel 1. My bad.
But a 2-on-1 on an enemy bomber hitting British targets ain't "lame."
Splash1