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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Cherlie on March 27, 2002, 02:37:56 AM
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We need the:
Whirlwind
He-111
Ju-87
Do-17
Defiant
Fairy
Wellington
P-39
SBD
B-25
KI-87
FWD-12
there is another plane I am not sure what it was called, I think it was called a shinden or something liek that, instead of the props being at the front, it was at the back.
But the Whirlwind would be interesting, with 4 (I think, might be wrong) 20mm.
There ya go HT, more planes to think about on the next patch :)
CharlieB
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It was Wirblewind.
4x20mm
not needed IMO since we already have a very capable mobile anti-aircraft vehicle in the Ostwind
Shinden never saw service in WWII. Only in the fantasy 1946 Aces of the Pacific scenario.
I agree with you on the SBD-5 Dauntless though. Its the only plane I've ever really wanted. I built a model one for my girlfriend after she watched me play Aces High and got really interested in it and WWII with me. It holds a sentimental value.
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nahhh,
what we need are:
Ki-84
Ki-61-II-KAI
Ki-100
Ki-45
Emily
Catalena
P40e
A6M2
F4F
Val-1
Val-2
Stuka
and T-34
:)
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Moose I believe he meant Westland Whirlwind and it had 4x20mm Hispano-Suiza cannons.
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FDutchman is a little more realistic.
Instead of trying to name all the obscure planes flown in WW2, lets suggest planes that guys would actually want to fly routinely.
Right now the focus might be on some more early war aircraft, like the P40, so scenarios and the CT arena might benefit from them, and for the guys like Popeye who just prefer old things. :)
dago
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Dago,
Yer just afraid of the humiliation when a P-40 shoots down your StratoSpoit.
The Old Ways are the Best Ways....yessir!
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Moose it was the Westland Whirlwind (sp?)
British twin, small with Hispanos in the nose
Not an uber ride based on performance though
SKurj
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I'm seriously considering sending HiTech a case of his beverage of choice, if I can get a written guarantee that a B-29 will be in the next upadate.
Otherwise, I agree with some of the above. We need a Dauntess, and a Stuka.
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The Lysander, Sunderland, Catalina, and the Kingfisher please. :)
oh yeah... the dornier Arrow too!
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Stuka
p39
and this one I have hoped for for years....
(http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/images/northrop_p61.t.jpg)
http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/northrop_p61.htm
More stuff/videos
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P-61.html
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I'm seriously considering sending HiTech a case of his beverage of choice, if I can get a written guarantee that a B-29 will be in the next upadate.
Otherwise, I agree with some of the above. We need a Dauntess, and a Stuka.
what possible justification could there be for adding the b-29? go bomb stuff offline if you don't want to face any sort of opposition to your milking.
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Yup. Gotta have P61.
I hope that if this bird ever does arrive that HTC gives it a rudimentary in flight radar ability and allows the top turret to be commanded to FWD position for coupled firing with the quad 20s.
Also, rockets and bombs.
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Fairy? Naaaa, we got enough Fairies with the likes of Dago and Popeye hangin around :D
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Yes, P61 P61 P61 P61 P61 P61 P61 P61 P61
A good friend of mine has been asking Pyro for a P61 since CK (Beta warbirds) in 1995! I think he deserves a P61 for years of dedication to these developers! :D
As I understand it, it can't be done by this team, the surfaces are just too complex for them to comprehend and subsequently model using wireframe, surfaces or solids. :eek:
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Originally posted by Shane
what possible justification could there be for adding the b-29? go bomb stuff offline if you don't want to face any sort of opposition to your milking.
Wow! You read my mind. That's exactly what I want it for!
:rolleyes:
Actually, Milking is the last thing I'm interested in. I prefer to fly a 26 on interdicition strikes, knocking down every little bit of opposition that comes my way.
I want the 29 as an alternative to that damn ugly Lanc, which we all know is completely undergunned.
Wait a minute. I just realized I am wasting my time replying to Shane.
Disregard.
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Brewster Buffalo !!!
Ya baby!
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Ooh ooh ooh
with Finnish markings......
Ya thats the ticket!
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Originally posted by Tronspir
As I understand it, it can't be done by this team, the surfaces are just too complex for them to comprehend and subsequently model using wireframe, surfaces or solids. :eek:
Seriously? The don't have the required skill? That's hard to beleive.
http://user.aol.com/aljoajo/rcb/bw.htm
maybe stuff like this would help?
I also found an already done 3D model here:
http://www.gamasutraexchange.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/141919/Action/FullPreview
bet there are more, its only $20 to by this one - I will buy it if they will use it :)
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Oh...you got a nibble Rip. Wait for it.......:cool:
Wab
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I believe we have enough air craft , lets work on the rest of the sim , like new and bigger maps :).
AH is 50 times bettter than any other ONLINE sim and still people want more .
MuckMAW send me a case of SAUSA Tequila, I got yer b-29 right here
add this high alt bomber
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Originally posted by Tronspir
As I understand it, it can't be done by this team, the surfaces are just too complex for them to comprehend and subsequently model using wireframe, surfaces or solids.
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<<>> -WBHoncho
I believe Tronspir used what is called "reverse psychology."
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stuka BUT ONLY if they put the siren in it otherwise like all the other games ive seen with it in ill be dissapointed when it doesnt have it and ill refuse to fly it and sit in the corner with the hump! :D
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yup agreed, the sTUKA HAS TO HAVE THE SIREN
Charlie
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Sheesh.. be realistic people.
They'll be adding...
An alternate to the C47...
(http://home.earthlink.net/~grashamj/photos/ant-20-1.jpg)
Another capable British... errr fighter, and it's unperked even. Proof that Hitech is unbiased towards the brits.
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wildstyle24_7/images_cont/m35.jpg)
A perked brit plane, since it would be a capable turn fighter, decimating all but the most egotistical luftwaffle..
(http://home.earthlink.net/~grashamj/Vault/lysander_01.jpg)
Luftwaffle bomber..
(http://home.earthlink.net/~grashamj/Vault/r-1_01.jpg)
And the ultimate Luftwaffle perk...
(http://home.earthlink.net/~grashamj/photos/gerufo1.jpg)
;)
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CAC Boomerang. Straight from the horses mouth.
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Id plump for the swordfish (possibly thats the Fairy referred to at the start of this thread).
Biplane, with a rear gunner and a torpedo...
Battling towards the CV thru a hail of AA the dogged british stringbag staggered on above the waves until......
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Originally posted by Shane
what possible justification could there be for adding the b-29? go bomb stuff offline if you don't want to face any sort of opposition to your milking.
UHmm how bout it's 20k bombload? defensive armament? a Buff pilots dreamride? it's got a higher bombload than the Lanc, better performance, and monster armament. i could easily see it as a 300 point perk, which i'd gladly pay for it :D
To each his own shane, i like bombing, i love shooting down dumb fighter jocks that don't know how to attack a bomber even more.
enjoy your ride.
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If they introduce the B-29 then there should only be one airbase for each country with a runway that could handle it. (maybe put it next to the HQ). I could also see 300 perkies for it.
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410, and I am serious ;)
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A26 Invader..
..and P51H.
(starts counting)
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PSW 234 Puma...And perk the hell out of it.
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If Hitech were to do it, it would be an aviation online first. Warbirds teased us about this for years, but I think the HT crew will be the ones to pull it off.
Originally posted by WBHoncho
Stuka
p39
and this one I have hoped for for years....
(http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/images/northrop_p61.t.jpg)
http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/northrop_p61.htm
More stuff/videos
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P-61.html
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"stuka BUT ONLY if they put the siren in it otherwise like all the other games ive seen with it in ill be dissapointed when it doesnt have it and ill refuse to fly it and sit in the corner with the hump! "
I used to love taking my Stuka up in AW now and then, spend ages climbing to an enemy base, then diving down and hearng that SCREAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM......K nowing all the while that the poor slobs under me on their takeoff runs could hear it too....."the sound of inevitability" :) The little lines on the window were useful for aiming too, surprisingly so.
I'll never forget this one mass Stuka attack on A-81...the blasted Bz brought over about 20 Stukas....funny as hell, every time one of them dove down you'd hear the WHHIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRR of that siren. Only time I've ever heard 15-20 Stuka sirens going off at once. Since my P-51 had what seemed like a 150 MPH speed advantage I just flew around them picking one off here and there while avoiding the ones with gunners who kept plinking away at me with that little tailgun (that tailgun had about half the lethality of a spud gun).
Then there was the time I was messing around in an IL2 and met up with an enemy Stuka....it wanted to hit my base but I could outrun him (how often do you hear about an IL2 outrunning anything heh heh heh). He could outturn me in the dogfight but I was in an IL2 and all he had was a pair of wimpy little noseguns and I think he ran out of ammo plinking away cuz he tried to run away again....didn't get too far though :)
Oh how I loved the stuka--it was great fun :) It'd make a fine addition to AH.
AW had a few other sounds I miss in AH, like a SCRAPE when you bellylanded and best of all, CHUTE sounds. When you'd bail out of your plane, your chute had sound effects. If you got shot your poor little man would scream in pain as the screen went RED. Even more fun was NOT opening the chute and slamming into the ground with a satisfying squishy CRUNCH.
Ah, memories......
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Hamish
UHmm how bout it's 20k bombload? defensive armament? a Buff pilots dreamride? it's got a higher bombload than the Lanc, better performance, and monster armament. i could easily see it as a 300 point perk, which i'd gladly pay for it :D
To each his own shane, i like bombing, i love shooting down dumb fighter jocks that don't know how to attack a bomber even more.
enjoy your ride.
sigh... where would the challenge be in flying a buff higher than almost all fighters could reach, faster, too, and with enough ordnance to pork 3-4 bases, all with the benefit of a laser guided bombsight and .50's.
is that concept too hard too grasp? the fact that it would be a totally unbalancing plane?
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My vote goes to the Whirlwind, because I think that despite it's unremarkable war time record it would fit in the MA perfectly, see a lot of use, be a Sim first (as far as I know) and would add to the early war set.
The ressons it failed to find fame in real life are not applicable to AH:
Unreliable engines (not modelled in AH)
High landing speed (like any one here ever lands....)
Lack of role. Designed as a cannon armed buff interceptor, by the time the Whirlwind was "ready"; the fight had moved else where. (In AH, any thing that kills buffs is guud...)
Whirlwind (http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/BARC/whirlwind.html)
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I have my personal favorites, of course (ME 410, the Owl, a DO 335 (with nightfighter option), P61 (and second the idea for rudimentary radar--there are a couple of excellently modelled p61s available for CFS2)).
But I think we need a couple of things more urgently than my fantasy list. The recent Battle of Britain framework in the CT exposes just how short we are on anything that enables us to model an early war scenario. The Allies were having to use the TBM as a Blenheim substitute (yes, flawless sense of immersion there!). And the Lufties of course lacked the Stuka, as well as any of the more numerous bombers (HE 111 and the DO 17).
So, top priorities:
Stuka
111
Blenheim
Then I'd like to see a couple of new heavies put in. I'd be happy with a B29 like any Buff addict would, although the idea of 300 perks is a little ridiculous--it certainly wouldn't unbalance gameplay anymore than a 262. However, a better option that would arouse less panic amongst fighter jocks would be a B24, almost the same bombload as a Lanc, and doesn't lack teeth. I also think it's about time we considered some heavy Luftie bombers: the Grief and the Kondor. Possibly perked, but quite low (especially if the Kondor's tendency to break in half when trying to evade is modelled!). This gives those squads who like to stick with LW planes as much as possible a chance to mount heavy raids without having to use Allied planes. And in the same spirit, we need a JU 52, so LW afficianados don't have to use the C47 (the situation here is the exact reverse of Warbirds, where everyone complains about being restricted to the JU 52).
So, phase two:
b24
Kondor
Betty
JU 52
Hmm. I'm noticing there are no fighters in my "most pressing" list. I wonder why that is?
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I can see your point shane, but we're only talking about 6k more ordinance than the Lanc. There is no Doubt that the 29, if ever implemented, should be perked. But as for unbalancing, I have to disagree with you. Would'nt you disagree that the 262 unbalances a dogfight?
Make the 29 a 300 Perk ride, and only available from Large airfields. I think that's a fair balance. And I'd still pay the perkies for it.
I also agree with another point Shane made about the laser accurate bombsight. Being a buff driver, I should not complain, but I perfer realism over hit percentage, so I would gladly give up the bomb precision as we have it now, in exchance for proximity damage.
I think HT is already at work on this angle though.
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ok, compromise... i'll support the b-29 if the people who fly them promise to fly around for 5 hours before they drop ord - on strat targets only - to simulate the long-range strategical bomber this was.
sound fair? ;)
but yeah, i hope bomb dispersion and drift will eventually come into play.
as for the 262 unbalancing things, well, at most a 262 can effect the 2 or 3 (if the pilot is lucky or a very good shot) people he engages (and it's truly easy to avoid/ignore a 262) while a b-29 would have an localized impact affecting a lot of people, many of whom might not even see that 35k b-29.
simply put the b-29 would be damn near invincible for typical arena-play purposes.
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5 hours!?!?!??
Make it 3 and you've got a deal!
:D
But let me ask you this shane, Will the extra 6k in ord on the 29 make that much of a difference from whats available on the Lanc?
At the current levels, a lone Lanc can shut down a small field. The 29 would be able to do that plus 2 more hangars. (Though I agree, this whole debate would be mute if they added bomb drift and dispersion) I'm all for that. Drift and dispersion would really add an element of skill, and historical accuracy to the game.
Or are you more concerned with the 29's higher speed, Alt, and armament?
The 300 Perks would'nt satisfy you either?
(Please note, I am not being sacastic. I am asking this question in all seriousness.)
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combine all 3 factors (in the absence of bomb drift)
20k is enough for 6 hangars, that's an *entire* small field, plus change, being shut down by ONE person in a plane that effectively can't be touched at it's operating alt due to it's speed, manuverability, ability to take a ton of damage, and the defensive laser .50's
or you could wipe out all fh's along a front line, or behind it at 2 to 4 *bases*, again being nearly invulnerable while doing so.
i'm not against the "capture" the flag that is the MA game design per se, altho' i can take it or leave it, but damn, why should any ONE person have the ability to seriously disrupt any offensive or defensive efforts at 2 to 4 bases, depending.
as it stands currently heavy buffs are being used out of their "historical" milieu of strategical bombing and being used tactically... no biggie, they're not all that hard to kill as they're usually flown in this role (except 30k 17's which at most can take out 2 fh's).
put simply, the b-29 is just too much a plane for the game design and implementation as it stands now without bombdrift and bigger maps.
it is a damn cool plane, tho'.
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You make a good point, Shane.
I can't say that I don't want the 29 anymore, but I have to agree that one pilot should not have the ability to knock out all the FH's on 2-4 front line bases.
Personally, I hate flying a buff to 30k and just bombing. It has no real pucker factor to it. That's why I prefer the 26. At 10-15k, you guaranteed at least one gunfight, and that's the best part of AH to me.
I'd be willing to let the 29 go for a fast medium bomber. Maybe the A-26 or somthing similar.
As for now, you'll never see me in a Lanc, occasionally in a 17, and more often than not, right in your gunsights in a 26.
See ya up.
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This B-29 as the uber-bomber makes no sense at all. Shane, you argue as if this plane is going to spawn at 30K and tool around up there. The 29s rate of climb wasn't bad, but it's not exactly going to win any alt-grab contests. Half the buffs I nail are on their way up (because that's when most people are AFK. . .!)
I think restricting them to a single field would be a great idea, but can you guess which field is then going to become the target for every nme heavy? I'm not saying not to have it, just that that would be another check on the 29s ubiquity. So every nme 234 is going to be abandoning their high alt raids on headquarters in favor of nailing the nmw 29 field. An interesting contest!
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A6M2
F4F
Val-1
P38-F
Buffalo
Yak-3
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Me410
He177A-5
Ki100
Ki84
Ju87D
Blenheim or Wellington
That is all
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What about some early war Pac planes:
Kate
Val
Wildcat
SBD
A6M-2
so we could do some Midway/Coral Sea/Santa Cruz scenarios? (You could also modify the Wildcat to give us the later GM version).
Add the P40, P39 and Betty and we can do Guadalcanal and Pearl Harbor. The P39 would also be good for Russian scenarios, the P40 for desert scenarios.
While we're at it, add a Jap-style carrier with a meatball on the flightdeck to the mix (I think they looked so much cooler than the American Carriers).
I would like more buffs, particularly the He-111 and B-24, although I fly with a buff squad and I know we could make really good use of a flight of B-29s on squad night.
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Originally posted by Taiaha
Then I'd like to see a couple of new heavies put in. I also think it's about time we considered some heavy Luftie bombers: the Grief and the Kondor. Possibly perked, but quite low (especially if the Kondor's tendency to break in half when trying to evade is modelled!).
come on taiaha....youll be giving us kiwis a rep for bad spelling... (I assume youre an ex-pat kiwi?)
1. thats Condor not Kondor
2. It was hardly a 'heavy' in that it was really a maritime reconnaissance bomber. but I do love the shape i admit.
The He 111 is a more sensible luftwobble buff I think
The grief carried about twice the load (medium distance) as the FW200.
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Originally posted by Beav
Brewster Buffalo !!!
Ya baby!
Yup BW-239 :D
190A-6!!! 190A-6!!!
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if we get the B29...
balance it out with the Me163 KOMET
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Here goes... again.
Mitsubishi A6M2
Grumman F4F
Nakajima Ki-43
Lavochkin LaGG-3
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-7
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-5
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3
Curtis P-40
Bell P-39
Bell P-63
Lockheed P-38J
Messerscmitt Me-410
Yakovlev Yak-3
Messerschmit Bf-109K4
Messerschmit Bf-109G14
Hawker Sea Fury
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I dont bomb, but this is what I'd like to shoot down. :P
Val
Kate
Stuka
B24
B25H
B29
He-111
Do-17
Fw-200
Betty
Helldiver
Avenger
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The following is probably the best list yet:
JU87 Stuka
He 111
KI84
P40E
F4F
Val
B-25
Migg3
PE2
See how it is far superior!!!
Have a nice day!!
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He he faminz. Yep, ex pat me! I'm not sure on the spelling, frankly, because I'm almost positive I've seen it in German as Kondor, but maybe someone whose actually German could comment!
In terms of being a heavy, yes, you're right that the internal bombload was relatively light (although later models increased internal capacity), but to make up for this it could carry quite a bit externally (included the radio controlled glider bombs). So, Ok, it's not a B29, but by Luftie standards, not too bad (and heavy in armament, certainly).
Great news about the Spit IX skin, mate, I hadn't realized whose it was.
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My personal feeling is that there are enough Euro Theater aircraft and I'd like to see the Pac Theater fleshed out. And thus, my wish-list includes:
F4F-3
A6M2 and/or A6M3
SBD Dauntless
Val
Kate
P40
As for modifying present aircraft in the game to a new variant, I'd want to see:
F6F-3 in 3-tone paint scheme, preferably with that big mean mouth scowling on the cowling.
Any P-38 in olive drab.
:-)
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Wonder what Pyro and Hitechs list looks like?
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German
Me 190G-10 (there are many threads discussing whether K4 performed much better or not.)
Fw190D-9
British
Hurricane IID
Spitfire IX / XIV
American
F4U-4
P-38L
P-47D-30
P-51D
Japanese
A6M5b (not sure whether this is the best variant or not)
N1K2-J
Russian
LA-5FN
LA-7
YAK-9U
Sure there are zillions of different models to add, but if we focus on what we have now, we can see that all major fighter models mentioned above are generally the latest or best permorming variants (excluding spit?). Except the P-47, the most produced american fighter of WWII. Why is that? P-47 deserves to have best performing model too, IMO.
Candidate:
P-47D-23
Best performing of all D-series. Paddle blade propeller and good payload. This could/should be the best dogfighter of all P-47 -series. Would be nice addition.
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/cool/p47d23ra.jpg)
Another alternative could be P-47M. The HotRod version which has excellent speed and good climb. Only 130 were built though.
Just my thoughts.