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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: guttboy on March 29, 2002, 09:01:58 AM
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Hi Guys,
For those of you that have not tried it out.....get in the Hurricane MK I....the plane has its drawbacks like low speed and ammo goes fast when shooting and the engine quits at negative G's...
HOWEVER...
Those guns throw out alot of lead and it turns on a dime! I was able to outturn pretty much everything last night except for DAGUNNER in a spit and I ended up stalling the plane at 20feet...my fault though still learning this plane.
Any suggestions or comments good or bad welcome.
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The last thing we want is other people finding out about this plane! SSSSHHHH!
In BOB, 1 on 1 there is little the lw can do against a hurri but run.
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Nhaaa, LW kicks Hurricane buts any day ;)
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you got out turned by a spit?
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i like the hurri IIC. it has 4 20s and can turn pretty well tho it's heavier than the I. with unlimited ammo it can be a killing machine.
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I am trying to find my ride. Constantly fly all kinds of A/C. Due to the Perks, I never take anthing below 20. i figure if i can get good and low performance A/C, i will be better at the high perfromace when i decide to fly them. I started flying early A/C like 202, 205. When i the new patch came out i tired the new early planes. I would have to agree the hurri I is the best one of these to fly. It's listed at 50 (I like this because i hate to give out alot of perks if i get shot down)Of course the 109E. Spit I and 202 are 50 also , but IMHO the Hurri I is the best. before the new version i flew the hell out of the 202 and 205. (wonderful A/C, if you had a fuel tank bigger than my lawn-mower) Last night I nailed a Nik, B-17, and a Spit in one sortie. (Please do NOT underestimate thoses .303's, with 8 of them, that's a lot of lead!) Of course my Hurri was swiss chesse, but it held in there. I beleive the Hurri's were made of wood not metal, and historical could take a beating. I wonder if HiTech as accounted of this. They are slow, but with haing a Carb. and not a Fuel Injection, you can use the cut out to slow down real fast to nail your target or confuse them. I well have to perfect flying it. It's a sweet ride when for a sim.
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zeke tougher than a hurri in ah..
SKurj
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no way man. Cannons are devastating, but versus 12mm or 50 cals, hurries can take a good beating.
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thats because the zeke has real crummy mg's and its cannons dont hit very hard.
A hurri 1 oth, with the 303's can put a boatload of hits at a target until it flies out of d350 range.
The 20mm armed hurricane is a killer, anyone foolish to engage it will either get a HO or a snapshot death.
40mm Hurri is almost useless except to kill buffs and for sheer HO enjoyment.
The Hurricane is a plane of pure joy. Its the spearhead of the Holy N1kquisition. Any hurricane can kick the crap outta them n1ks in a 1-1... even a hurri1 (until the n1k decides to HO). My fave is the 40mm hurri.. use the 303 to make the n1k think youre a H1, he comes for HO.. 40mm taters in their face MWAHAHAHAH.
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heheh tac......
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N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
N1Ks MUST DIE!!
sorry, got carried away:) :cool:
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The hurri Mk IID is a marksman plane. The .303 at such a low ammo load. I run out quickly. The 40mm...well...i dont even fire those unless of a HO. i miss too much with those. If the GV armor was set correctly in holding up against the 20mm and .50cal you'd see a boat more hurri MkIID flying to kill tanks and buldings. As fooling your enemys in thinkin your a MkI instead of a MkIID, the Cammo. gives the MkIID away.
The MkIIC is also wonderful, except of low ammo load. I believe these planes are at a cost of 25. A bit high IMHO 30 or 35 would be better cost.- ;)
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Ox, people dont watch the camo. they watch the icon and the laserrangefinder. Maybe, maybe when they fly in near-collision will they notice the camo. And heck, if they come that close, 1 of em is gonne die anyway *G*
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
i like the hurri IIC. it has 4 20s and can turn pretty well tho it's heavier than the I. with unlimited ammo it can be a killing machine.
Eventually, HTC will add the Wildcat, either as the F4F or FM-2. I would prefer the FM-2 as it fulfills the roles of both early and late war. In terms of performance, the FM-2 is a bit faster than the Hurricane (any version), climbs about the same (or better) and rivals it in turn rate. Armed with four .50 Brownings (as in the F4F-3 and FM-2, the F4F-4 carried six guns but suffered a performance penalty), it's lethality should be on par with the Hurricane I. Unlike the Hurricane, the FM-2 dives very well, with good control right up to its Vne. Only the Zero will out-turn the FM-2, but remember that the Zero can only do so at speeds below 200 mph, and the Wildcat has a considerable roll advantage at speeds above that as well. I for one, would not want to be in a SpitV Co-E with a Wildcat and not have a positional advantage out the outset. It would be dicy to get away with one's hair intact.
As to Spitfires: I fly them frequently, especially in base defense. The new SpitXIV provides the ability to go up and challenge the Mustangs up high. It also will make life much more difficult for the Tempest drivers, who are faced with a fighter that can out-climb and out-turn them. Moreover, the SpitXIV can out-run them over a considerable portion of the speed/altitude curve as well. For a change, the BnZ crowd has to pay attention to possibility of being bounced by a fighter they can neither out-turn or out-run. In other words, if you're in a Mustang at 20k, and a SpitXIV arrives at 20k or higher, you have a real problem on your hands. However, to date, I have found most of the SpitXIVs down low, doing silly things like flying through ack and engaging in turnfights with SpitVs and SpitIXs. Not especially bright in my estimation. I killed one while flying a SpitV when the pilot screwed up and allowed me to get a snapshot in about 30 degrees off HO. Those Hizookas shot off his tail.
There's a common fault among online pilots. Many do not take any time to familiarize themselves with the performance and handling of a new aircraft. They simply take it straight into the nearest fight. Usually with less than hoped for results. I have taken up the SpitXIV three times, avoiding serious fights other than to finish off a B-17 with a diving attack from high 12 O'clock (earned only an assist). I did encounter a P-47 at 26k, However, spotting me at about d 5.8, he headed straight down to the safety of his airfield. That was probably the right decision, considering that 26k is right where the SpitXIV performs best. At 30k+ the P-47 will be a much tougher enemy should we have met at Co-E.
I have no pre-disposition against Spitfires. I fly almost everything (check my stats), and generally avoid taking on Spits if they have the tactical advantage from the outset. Yesterday, I encountered a large gaggle of Spits and F6Fs and a couple of La-7s. I was flying an La-5FN. I managed to get a couple of them without surrendering the tactical advantage that I carried into the fight. I dabbled with the P-51D a bit, but I find that it can't fight its way out of the "Ladies room" should its pilot find himself at a tactical disadvantage. The only option is to run. However, there are ever increasing numbers of fighters that can catch it. Especially if they have better E at the outset. Likewise, the current modeling of the P-38 leaves it to be little more than a target. If HTC ever corrects the modeling, it should become considerably more effective.
P-40: What some people may not realize is that the P-40 is a reasonably capable aircraft at low to medium altitude. Its turning ability should be close to that of the SpitIX, slightly better than the Ki-61. Climb is poor, similar to the Ki-61. Roll rate is outstanding, being only slightly inferior to the Fw 190A-5. Dive is also very good. Speed will also mimic the Ki-61. During the engagements in the SWPA, the Ki-61 and P-40E/M/N proved to be nearly equal in overall performance.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
P-40: What some people may not realize is that the P-40 is a reasonably capable aircraft at low to medium altitude. Its turning ability should be close to that of the SpitIX, slightly better than the Ki-61. Climb is poor, similar to the Ki-61. Roll rate is outstanding, being only slightly inferior to the Fw 190A-5. Dive is also very good. Speed will also mimic the Ki-61. During the engagements in the SWPA, the Ki-61 and P-40E/M/N proved to be nearly equal in overall performance.
Widewing
While I respect and appreciate your advice and input regarding gameplay and tactics, I do wonder what you base this Ki-61/P-40 comparison on?
-Sikboy
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sik why do you do this? I hope widewing does not fall for it. I hate it when you turn threads into lit cited pages. I am a biologist so I understand the importance of referencing information, but there is a place for everything. If he said p40s had pink elephants popping out of their exhaust pipes, okay, I would like to see a reference. Anecdotal references to performance of a plane not even mentioned in the thread header on the other hand...... Now, if you seriously want to start lobbying htc for a p40 and would like to send widewings references to pyro, that is a different story.....
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I would like to see the P-40 in AH. The reason I ask widewing is that what he's stated seems to go against what I've come to understand about both the P-40 and the Ki-61. I could be totally wrong about this, and that's why I don't call Widewings info crap. He could be right as rain, and it wouldn't hurt me in the least. I've just never heard such a comparrison, and I wonder where it comes from. I don't think that anyone is ever hurt by coming up with some basis for stating things, especially when they are stating them to make a case. I do respect Widewings input, as I stated. That was not sarcasm. I'm not baiting him, as you would suggest. I'm honestly curious.
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Okay sik, I retract my sour remarks.;) I have always felt that the p40 was better than many have modeled it. Hopefully, since this game is trying to model planes by stats and not 'well if the ki ever ran into the 38 it was toast, so as long as the 38 is better than the ki we are doing it right' type modeling, the p40 shouldnt be the roadkill it was in AW. With 11,000 of the little beasts built, it should be in here no matter how it performed (according to the box of the 27" wingspan p40 guillow model i am building! now if that isnt the most respected source I dont know what is!;) ).
If anything I think the hurri 1 shows how an old wood and canvas pea shooter (unless they give us the 50s) like the p40 can have a place in a game like this.
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the p40 shouldnt be the roadkill it was in AW.
Er, hijacking thread here.
In my experience the P40 was nowhere near roadkill in AW. It could outturn and outroll most of the other planes as long as the speed was up over 200 ias. You could still get away with a lot down to about 175. Aside from that, it would retain exceptional maneuverability at speeds where just about everything else was compressed. I would argue that its durability exceeded that of the P47. The drawbacks, rightfully so, were climbrate and low speed handling. Acceleration wasn't spectacular.
That plane was awesome, it just took a lot patience to get it up into combat alts/speeds, and took some work to keep it there. I would argue against the notion that it was roadkill, but I will state that it was the most underrated and overlooked fighter in the game. That just made getting kills all the more satisfying :) For the most part I'm referring to FR arena fighting, but it still seemed to hold up well in RR the few times I ventured there.
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yeah in fr it was probably a much better ride. i tried it once in a while in rr but the problem was the post attack. All you could really do is bnz, and if you gave up too much alt you were toast. It was not near fast enough to get away from incoming opponents, so you may escape whoever you attacked but if somebody else notices, ouch.
It did handle like a dream at very high speeds, but I have a feeling you would rip your wings off in AH.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
While I respect and appreciate your advice and input regarding gameplay and tactics, I do wonder what you base this Ki-61/P-40 comparison on?
-Sikboy
Fair question.
Several years ago, I was researching an article on the 49th Fighter Group in the SWPA during 1943-44. During most of that period, the 7th and 8th Fighter Squadrons flew the P-40, while the 9th FS (with whom Bong flew) went from P-40s to P-38s to P-47s and finally back to P-38s again.
Anyway, the 7th and 8th had many encounters with the Ki-61 and most of the pilots I interviewed agreed that it was an even match for their P-40s. The difference being better training and better tactics. Bob DeHaven would tell you that the two aircraft were a very close in combat capability, with the pilots being the deciding factor. Mr. DeHaven fought some epic battles against the Tony and barely survived some of them.
Peformance can be compared.
P-40K-1: Weight was roughly 6400 pounds empty, 8400 pounds gross, and 10,000 pounds max. Maximum speed of the P-40K was 320 mph at 5000 feet and 362 mph at 15,000 feet. Cruise speed was typically 280 mph. A climb to 15,000 feet took 7.5 minutes at Military power, 7.2 minutes with Combat power.
P-40N-1: 6000 pounds empty, 7400 pounds gross, and 8850 pounds maximum, the N-1 was the fastest P-40 variant and was engineered for for combat at higher altitudes than previous models. Maximum speed was 378 mph at 10,500 feet and service ceiling was 38,000 feet. An altitude of 15,000 feet could be attained in 6.6 minutes at Military power, 5.8 minutes using Combat power.
Ki-61-1b: 4872 pounds empty, 6504 pounds loaded, 7165 pounds maximum. Maximum speed 368 mph at 15,945 feet. Cruising speed 249 mph at 13,125 feet. An altitude of 16,400 feet could be reached in 5 minutes 31 seconds. Service ceiling 37,730 feet.
There exists a TEAC test of the Ki-61, but I don't have a copy handy. Perhaps someone has it on hand and can provide details.
I do, however, have a report by 5th AF technical personel, which states that their impression of the Tony is that it at least the equal of the P-40, being inferior in some areas, as well as having some minor advantages as well. I have better sources in my collection at home, but I'm in the office today.
My regards,
Widewing
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I think I can see where my error lies. I'm thinking of the P40c-e, where I don't think there is much parity with the Ki-61, whereas the latter models (such as the N) have gone on a crash diet to lose weight. This makes more sense now. Thanks for falling into my trap Widewing [Just kidding ergRTC :)]
-Sikboy