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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKDejaVu on March 29, 2002, 01:34:00 PM
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Saw a film posted by HBlair in the ahfilm forum... it was well done.
One subtle thing in it... the presence of bridges.
I'd really like to see bridges creep back into the scenery. Anyone know what the major concerns as to why they wouldn't be allowed? Potential framerate hit possibly?
AKDejaVu
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I can't imagine it'd be a framerate hit. Bridges have been around in online sims for ages. Perhaps the AH terrain editor just doesn't have the right objects available?
J_A_B
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There were some terrain editor threads where people were messing with bridges, but I'm too lazy to find it. Seemed like the holdup was getting them to be all of: killable, drive overable, fly underable, road topped.
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killable, drive overable, fly underable, road topped
Ah... seems like 3 of the 4 would be easy to accomodate. That 4th is a tough one though.
Any map designers know if this was overcome... can we expect to see some bridges in upcoming maps?
AKDejaVu
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Hmmmm
Pilot: HT, we need bridges.
HT: Ok,..we can do that visual, no problem. Only a few polys needs really.
Pilot: HT, we want to be able to blow them up.
HT: Ok,...more code for the collision system,..we need object status too, and we will need some flags to control what has been blown up.
Pilot: HT, what good are bridges unless we can drive across them?
HT: Dang,..well,..uhmmm...ok,..special terrain object.
Pilot: And HT,..we need roads over the bridge too.
HT: Ok,..need to modify the road system so it knows it can go across a bridge object.
Pilot: HT,..why can't we fly under the bridge? Every time I try I blow up.
HT: Modify the bridges so we do not have any polys underneath them. Yes, I know we have to redesign them for that, but thats what they want. Yes, I know I have to redo the collision system again for it.
2 weeks later:
Pilot: HT, why dont we have that new plane we asked for 3 weeks ago?
HT: I need a drink.
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Seriously all of this was being worked on by people with the editor months ago, with some promising (but not complete at the time) results. Search for bridge in the terrain editor forum.
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39849
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Skuzzy.. this is something non-htc people were working on. I saw a bridge in a vid and was wondering if any of them would like to comment on it. Take it easy.
AKDejaVu
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Ahhh,...I should have included smileys. I was just pokin fun. Lighten up guys, have a good bowel movement, drink a beer, relax, have fun, blow up somethin.
It's all good. :D
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Smileys wouldn't help skuzzy. It was totally out of context. Seems to be pretty typical for the bbs these past few days.
AKDejaVu
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Didn't seem out of context to me
J_A_B
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Well,..my apologies Deja. Did not mean to side track anything, just had that dialog running through my head, thought it was funny, and posted it.
I didn't view it as a hijack and did not mean to ruffle anyones feathers. I just thought it was funny. Obviously, it was only funny in my head.
I usually try to get things to lighten up in the General Forum Deja. Sometimes it gets too serious. If this were posted in the Technical Forums, I woul have responded very differently. Not to infer this is the wrong Forum, I just view the General Forum in a different perspective.
No disrespect intended.
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I made the bridge, I can comment or show you the bridge in H2H.
What would you like to know???
HiTech and I talked about the bridges, and there are a few annomilies (sp) So He made the choice to remove them at this stage of the game. Without going into so much detail, I would have to agree why HiTech did not want my bridges at this time. One slite problem can turn into a few thousand nightmares for HTC, So at this stage I would totally agree with him.
I'm sure that bridges will come to AH someday and be a welcomed addition. I remember when land and water didn't transition. HiTech and all the crew have given us a top notch Sym, and it has changed so much since it's first release, I look forward to the furture. It only gets better.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Skuzzy.. this is something non-htc people were working on. I saw a bridge in a vid and was wondering if any of them would like to comment on it. Take it easy.
AKDejaVu
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Now to seriously answer your question. I think the bridges done in any of the current maps is basically some very talented people who found a way to give the impression it is a bridge.
I can see how this would be done. To make them officially objects in the game is another story. For instance, the ones players make today cannot be destroyed and probably cannot be flown under (could be wrong, but I believe this to be true). I am not sure if they could actually be driven over. As part of the terrain, they may support vehicles over them.
To make them part of the game in the light of being able to destroyed, flown under, and to support trains/roads as they are today, would require the bridge to be designed as an object in the game, much like hangars and such, but a bit more complex to do.
Doing this could cause frame hits and some other anomalies when they come into view. Obviously, the current convoy and train system would have to be changed to be aware of "broken" paths in thier transit code. Options then would be to find another path to the destination, or to stop running.
Overall, quite a bit of effort would be required to get them in the game and make them useable in the manner most people would expect.
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
I made the bridge, I can comment or show you the bridge in H2H.
What would you like to know???
I just saw it and was wondering how close they were to being kosher.HiTech and I talked about the bridges, and there are a few annomilies (sp) So He made the choice to remove them at this stage of the game. Without going into so much detail, I would have to agree why HiTech did not want my bridges at this time. One slite problem can turn into a few thousand nightmares for HTC, So at this stage I would totally agree with him.
I totally agree with his view on things like that too.
Its still too bad... the brief glimpse looked pretty cool.I'm sure that bridges will come to AH someday and be a welcomed addition. I remember when land and water didn't transition. HiTech and all the crew have given us a top notch Sym, and it has changed so much since it's first release, I look forward to the furture. It only gets better.
So... are you giving up on them for the time being? Its always fun to impose on someone else that's doing all the work.;)
Thanks for making the effort Nuttz... woulda been sweet had it worked out.
AKDejaVu
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..."have a good bowel movement, drink a beer, relax, have fun, blow up somethin."
in johnny carson's Karnack voice:
"...what do old people and terrorists have in common"
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I don't know what you mean by "real"
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Looks like a bridge ( astetically looks great)
No huge Frame rate loss ( tested with only 8 players)
You can cross them with GV's
You can fly under them with planes.
you can land AC on it ( small planes)
you can collide with the bridge.
you can capture them ( one half is owned by one country and the other half still owned by another)
Parts and sections are independantly destroyable.
Bombable.
boats and De's battleships Cv's can cross under.
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You can also shoot threw the road:(
which Pokie and I found a work around. But they Still need alot of work.
Bomb damage ( crater) shows in mid air after bridge is destroyed.
Same with the mannable guns on the bridge.
You can slitely see threw the bridge.
CV's as a group cannot pass under.
slite weirdness,where bridge touches the land (clipping).
Gv's shadows while on bridge show on water.
bridge show no shadows.
post holding up bridge pass below water line and can still be seen. ( good thing or bad? verdict is still pending)
But i would agree it's enought -'s to keep them out of the game for now.
For H2h they are Freakin FUN!!!!!!! For the Paying customer they wouldn't be up to HTC's standards.
Hope this helps answer everybodies questions.
NUTTZ
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Smileys wouldn't help skuzzy. It was totally out of context. Seems to be pretty typical for the bbs these past few days.
AKDejaVu
there you go with that sanctimonious crap again.
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ah just imagine AH with Crimson Sky levels... :p
..then I woke up.
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Nuttz..
Thanks for clarifying. The bridge looked great in the clip... nice work. Hopefully there will be workarounds for the other issues before long. Its always amazing to see this stuff progress.
Skuzzy,
Why couldn't that last post have been your first?
Shane,
If you want to go out on a date.. you just have to ask.
AKDejaVu
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I thought it was funny Skuzzy :)
Why don't you come down to Salem DJ. I'll buy the first round at Starz and throw down a few bucks so you can get some titties shook in your face.
SOB
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No thanks SOB... I'll stick to getting offended when a question directed at map makers is responded to with a metaphore about "player's" unreasonable expectations on HiTech.
Excuse me for not thinking it was funny.
AKDejaVu
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BTW.. that metaphore is funny when people ARE placing unreasonable expectations on HiTech. It just amazes me it was thrown into this thread.
AKDejaVu
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I'll just stick to watching hissy-girly cat fights!!
**Edit...oh, and bridges would be cool.
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Why was it not my first post?
Well,..I was in the mood for some humor, as the boards sometimes do not get much of it. There were no hidden agendas, mo metaphores, and I was not implying anyone was pressuring HT into doing something else.
Again, in the General Forum, I like to keep it light and was not aware it would irritate anyone.
After I realized you were not going to take it lightly, I went ahead and did a serious one for you. In future I will note when you are starting a thread and respect that you do not wish an attempt at humor to be interjected into it. I have no problem with that.
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Skuzzy... if you tell a story as a response to a thread.. it is a metaphore. Why else tell it? You thought of a totally unrelated funny story and needed someplace to put it so you picked this thread?
But.. we'll just leave it at "its all me". I can deal with it.
AKDejaVu
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ho-ly-shit Deja... What is your reason for extending this nonsense?
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you guys sound like a married couple.
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lol @ the Dejavue guy :D
hehe seriously man, what is eating your butt?
You are putting way to much effort into fighting the guy for being funny :) hehe I do not know why though?
Verschlossen, entspannen Sie sich, und nehmen Sie eine Pille :D
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LOL Oct! Ya, we do sound like a married couple. ROFL!
Ok,..why tell it? Deja, if you choose to view it as a metaphore, then that is your choice. With all the problems in the world today, I try to seize opportunities to make a stab at laughter, either by creating it or reacting to it.
I was not looking for a place to post this. I read your original post, and I happened to be in a rather humorous mood, had this thing play out in my head and chose to share it, thinking that it would be funny.
No agendas, and definately not to upset the thread. It was just a post. Had I forseen it was going to be this much trouble, I would have not posted it as it goes directly against what I would have thought the reaction might have been.
I honestly believed HT would have been the only one who could have really answered this with any accuracy. However I did make an attempt to give you a serious answer, even while NUTTZ was posting his response.
No need for finger pointing from I can read, but that is my perspective. You made it clear you thought it was out of context, I can respect that, and in the future, as I said before, I will honor that. In that light is the reason I replied with a more serious post to help answer the question.
No harm, no foul. At least, that is how I see it. I see nothing inherently wrong with coming to a mutual understanding, and I believe we have done just that.
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DjV, you got PMS again?
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Originally posted by Swoop
DjV, you got PMS again?
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lol
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somebody's having a bad day....
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
To make them part of the game in the light of being able to destroyed, flown under, and to support trains/roads as they are today, would require the bridge to be designed as an object in the game, much like hangars and such, but a bit more complex to do.
Seems like a bridge would be exactly like a hanger only with the ability to drive over it. I fly thru the hangers all the time (it'd be just like flyin' under a bridge) to piss the enemy off when I'm strafin'/vulchin' a field.
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Obviously, the current convoy and train system would have to be changed to be aware of "broken" paths in thier transit code. Options then would be to find another path to the destination, or to stop running.
The point of destroying a bridge would be to stop resupply. The convoy system and train system could just run off the broken bridge and be destroyed. I'm not a programmer, but it seems to me ya'd code it so the "destroyed bridge shape" of a bridge would have a invisible wall that anything trying to cross would hit and be destroyed against.
I'm sure it's just a matter of time before we see bridges in all the terrains.
Now, let's talk about TRAIN TUNNELS, 'cuz those would be outstanding to fly thru! :D
Imagine placing a Panzer on the tracks at the entrance of a tunnel to blow up a train, like in the movie BATTLE OF THE BULGE OH MY!!
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on some air race maps we play in h2h, we have tunnels made out of hangers, those are pretty cool to fly through
but it just looks like the track's sheltered and not a real tunnel, still fun thou:)
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sounds cool bendover! I'd like to do an Indiana Jones type thing.. take 190, clip the wings and slide right thru :D