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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on April 18, 2000, 10:53:00 PM
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I been flying with eyeballs in back of head since new TOD to see how well i could get a score for myself in my shiny P38...
But then I decided to fight back against my scoremongering addiction and said...
What the hell (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
went in low and fast on the deck into a cloud of red west of 27 over n over again(me bishop (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) and surprised Westy many times <S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
now if I could only keep myself from looking at the danged score page I'd always have as much fun as I did tonight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S> everyone near 27 (rook n bish) who all had a great time keeping the fight low and free of alt monkeyness. very fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"There are no born fighter pilots. Some are a little better than others, thats about it. But I would say time, training, training, training and more training are the key... to any success." -Francis Gabreski
Citabria
=357th Pony Express=
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You've just taken the first step into a bigger world. Welcome! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
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You can cause alot more hate and discontent amongst thy enemas when not watching thy score!
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Swager
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[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 04-18-2000).]
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Your header is my mantra. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Citabria, I hear ya man. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I've seen the light! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Thanks for breaking me of score page addiction! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif) The problem now is that I'm addicted to these damn smiley faces! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
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That was alot of fun last night Citabria (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S>
-Westy
(on the receiving end of too many of Citabrias shots)
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Hehehe
No matter if I look score pages or not, I'm having fun here, so great pilots everywhere...
...but can you please stop shooting me down that often (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Harppa FM (edited 04-19-2000).]
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Hey Guys!
I dont understand how furballin and dyin is fun....would'nt it be better to dive thru the furballs, pickin off the evil enemy at 450ias, and then landin those kills?
After landing an intense sortie, it feels real good to me...you know, accomplishment and all that stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
That way, the score becomes a bi-product of how ya fly....enlightening isn't it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Give me some feedback as I'm curious.
Rude Out!
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Citabria, I also decided this tour I would not care about my score and I'm having a lot more fun!
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Mox
The Wrecking Crew
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Score-Shmore!
Just fly and scatter Spitfire and F4U wreckage over the landscape. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
"Keep your scores and streaks in your pants where they belong"
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LANDING????? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
"What do you mean you're out of ammo and returning to base, fly around and keep someone busy!!"
Heard that on JG2 RW one night and LMAO! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
One of the best flights I ever had was when (I believe it was Wolf37) was low and surrounded by 5-6 bad guys. I dove down and joined the melee. Ended up with 3 kills and assist and Wolf got 1 kill out of that group. Wolf didn't make it and I ran out of fuel for a ditch.
But i just said, "What the hell! Hold on Wolf!" And in I went. Had a blast!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Swager
I/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
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I agree with the topic header, but then I fly so poorly, I GOTTA AGREE.
Example, last night I am RTB, with 3 scalps, totally dry on ammo, but I see Fatty low on the deck with Ripsnort chasing him, so I divert from landing and buzz Ripsnort hoping to distract him long enuff for Fatty to get a shot or disengage, guess what? Rip got Fatty and a Rip's wingman got me.
I guess I shoulda left my countryman to hang out and dry, but ya don't make friends that way, and U certainly don't win WARs that way, and if the choice comes to helping a countryman or landing points, I've made my mine.
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Originally posted by Rude:
Hey Guys!
I dont understand how furballin and dyin is fun....would'nt it be better to dive thru the furballs, pickin off the evil enemy at 450ias, and then landin those kills?
Nope. Where's the skill in that? :P
-- Todd/DMF
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cc Citabria <S>
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The scoring of kills is so screwed up anyways, why bother!
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Oooooooooh "accomplishment".
As in "I accomplished the feat of climbing really really high and running like a pansy at the first sign of an attack." (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Just curious. What do you do different when you ARE trying for score.
I have never been a careful flyer. I fly into multibule cons all the time. Im not in a squad, and my views posted here, make getting gang banged something i expect every time I take off. I had several sorti,s last night, where I got wacked befor I got off the ground.
My interest in score only go,s as for as what rules "keep the ball in play". The captured rule for example encourages ack hugging. This discourages combat, and IMHO is a bad rule. This effects you, weather you personally watch scores or not.
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I don't see that it necessarily follows that I don't try to land because I don't care about score. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I simply don't look at scores.
I try to live, if possible. I just don't care about living if it serves the greater cause to lose the life. You win more friends clearing someone's butt and dying than if you go circling over his head and watching him bite it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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People who fly solely for score tend to fly conservatively. Flying conservatively means engaging ONLY with an advantage, or at least without a disadvantage. Since score accumulates faster through living, generally it is in the best interest of a score-seeker to avoid any hairy situations and engage enemies only at his or her discretion. Back in Air Warrior, there was a fellow who took this creed to extremes, even to the point where he would run from a 1v1 if he had a 10k alt advantage... he would either drag or run until the lower enemy engaged another plane, at which point he would swoop down for the "skillful" kill. Clearly, not all score-interested players take it to this extreme, but some degree of conservative flying is essential for score accumulation.
That said, I'm not entirely clear how the current state of captures counting as deaths encourages ack hugging. I think the current system that credits ack kills TO ack huggers encourages this. However, players do not receive credit for ditched or captured enemy planes -- as far as enemy planes are concerned, there is no point incentive for captures vs. ditches. If you mean that counting captures as deaths *discourages* planes from leaving friendly territory, I frankly haven't seen it. I honestly don't think most players care enough about points to where this becomes a serious problem, and enemies who don't push an advantage by hanging in ack invite disaster.
Those are my thoughts anyway. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
[This message has been edited by Dead Man Flying (edited 04-19-2000).]
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As near as i can tell you get more points if you can get one kill and ditch in friendly territory. Than if you get 4 kills and ditch in enemy territory. I gotta belive that causes some ack hugging.
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acctualy checked score last night , and was not in tip 100 lol , looked at personal ranking and was overall number 101 lol have no idea how. but cit is right in score i suc. but who feels safe in a equal 1 on 1 with me ? not alot definatly not 100 of yall. scores are arbatrary ( i like the hit percentage) read roadkill.
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Scores in no way shape or form reflect the pilots skill.
High scores are attained by fighting from alt, always with the upper hand, and running like a little girl when the odds get even, or worse.
Personally I fly til im dead, and land very few kills, My kill/death ratio is somewhere around .50..not a very good pilot by this games scoreing system.
What it should count is the 50 odd times ive been vulched before i even get off the runway, or the times ive dropped bombs on a target and augered in, to quickly get more bombs to the target, or the 3 or 4 kill sorties ive flown far away from friendly bases, fighting to the last sputter of my dying aircraft, helping my teamates rather than circling like a buzzard above the furball watching them die.
Scores will never reflect this, thus they are total roadkill in rating a particular pilots skills.
My .02..maybe a nickels worth
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My experience is that I started flying(WB)online as a newbie and marveled at the incredible scores I would see many pilots attain and thought to myself "WOW-these guys are REALLY good".Well after 4 yrs of flying virtual WW2 fighters Ive come to see things more acurately.Often,the score-minders are really not at all proficient in the fine handling of thier AC as thier style has never required them to learn the steep curve of ACM and extracting to absolute most performance out of thier mounts.Then they get locked into flying that 'safe'BnZ style(only attacking with a clear and decisive adv)because to fly otherwise is to get whooped in a fair(co-e/co-alt) fight by a pilot they see as inferior because his score
doesnt measure up to thiers.This is a blow to the ego that most of us will admit to owning (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) and so to build that ego back up they continue to attack from the untouchable perch only.I say the real BEST pilots are those that excell in the dueling arena-score be damned-live or die-black and white.
Understand, I dont claim to be one of these true pros,you all know who you are!For me its better to lose against the BEST and hopefully learn from them in the process,than to try to convince myself Im elite by flying for score.
As Im sure Ill ruffle some feathers with these opinions,Ill humbly accept the beating that some of you will doubtless lay upon me in the soon to be implemented dueling ladder.
Just the opinion of this admittedly less than 'experten' dweeb (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
C'yall soon on the ladder! out-----
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Its there use it or not...It does not mean you are the hotest stick in the world to be in the top 10, but you gotta be pretty good.
You gota achieve success in dogfighting, gunnery, bombing, and gooning.
Lots of people in the top 10 help there squadmates and call sixes...
You guys are like insulting them or something.
Smells almost like jealosy.
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The Wrecking Crew
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Like anything else.. there's more than one side to this story. Rude asked a good question..
"I dont understand how furballin and dyin is fun....would'nt it be better to dive thru the furballs, pickin off the evil enemy at 450ias, and then landin those kills?"
Well; I find furballin is fun.. it's one of the 'big attractions' here at AH. It's the dyin part is the objectionable bit. I try to avoid that.
Hard to classify a pilot that enjoys dyin. Certainly the score system frowns on this guy. He wouldn't make much of a wingman or teamate.. how can you count on him to help you, or further your country's objective if he's buzy hoppin on his sword all night?? Shades of grey here.. but for the most part, entering an engagement with the objective being to LIVE and KILL ANOTHER is better than 'I got into a 8 v 2 furball and got three of em before I got capped!" Fun?? You bet. Realistic?? Nope.
Darwin at work. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Scores are the last thing to worry about here in AH if you wanna have fun... but you can have fun and have a good score too.
I do it by assigining myself a 'Mission'. I try to have a gameplan before I pull the wheels up... and I guage the mission successful based on results against the original objective. One of my favorite 'missions' is furball; but one sometimes important parameter is to put them wheels back down on a friendly runway when I'm done.
Anyhow.. an interesting topic. We all come here to fly, kill and die, virtually; and the sim gives us an opportunity to add in some 'realism'. If there was a 'for-real' death attached to a system message; then I'd bet ALL yah bums would be B&Z next time up.
It's all perspective; and immersion. Gettin capped 20 times outta 20 sorties may be fun fer some... but not my cuppa tea.
FWIW..
Hang
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I dinae mean fly like a crazed maniac with guns blazing into bandits 10k above (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I just meant I found the style of flying I enjoy the most at that particular miliesecond in time was much more enjoyable when I could subconciously not even be bothered to think about what some dang spreadsheet says of the results, be it good or bad. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Live for the moment, then try to survive the moment you just lived through i say.
hey thats kinda catchy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"There are no born fighter pilots. Some are a little better than others, thats about it. But I would say time, training, training, training and more training are the key... to any success." -Francis Gabreski
Citabria
=357th Pony Express=
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I think all we are accomplishing here is to state what is important to us individually. Thankfully the system we have in place attempts to accommodate both styles. We should be careful not to take a superior stance, belittling the other viewpoint as foolish. Both sides definitely have their unique attractions.
Fortunately a guy flying to kill can kill a guy flying to live just as easily as a guy flying to live can kill a guy flying to kill.
Hey! That's kinda catchy! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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LOL!
That's the spirit!
Definition of success here in AH is "Well; didja have fun?? Wanna do it again??"
If the answer is yes; then yah flew a good mission.
Hang
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My name is Hristo and I care about my score (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
When I see enemy dots, first thing I go for is to get an advantage. G-10 is no plane to fight from disadvantage. It is just against its nature.
The way I work for my advantage varies. Will this be in form of climbing before the merge, or letting the enemy lead turn me aggressively and waste his E, I decide in last moment.
Still, deck turning Spits called me alt monkey when I attacked them from 5k alt.
However, safe BnZ flying has its drawbacks. You get rusty in ACM. That's why I go to TA. There I will always fight from disadvantage, in heavy G-10 against 25% fuel loaded planes with E advantage. When I get enough gangbanging there, I return to MA and never give the guy a chance (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I use score not to rank myself against others, but a way to mark my progress. Mostly to see what I have been doing lately and how well I have been doing it. This gives me an idea of things to practice on.
One stat I always look at and consider important is "Hit Percentage". This stat seems to be the one I try to improve on the most.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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I think a couple of you guys hurt my feelings, I think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Look at it this way...I have flown the P-51 Mustang in three on-line sims over some 10 years. It is obviously my favorite ride (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now, I invite those of you who feel that a method of flying other than your own should be criticized, to take a 51 lo and slow on the deck and then let me know how much fun you've had. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
It's all about the fun guys...besides, if it were not for those of you who made such easy targets, I'de never get a kill (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up!
Rude Out!
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Score is just not as important to me as protecting my wingman/countryman.
This is how I feel about it:
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Well said DMF.
Btw,....They keep score? Huh, imagine that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
JASE
"To Everything Turn...Turn...Turn"
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I almost scored once, then she slapped me!
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[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 04-20-2000).]
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:
People who fly solely for score tend to fly conservatively. Flying conservatively means engaging ONLY with an advantage, or at least without a disadvantage. Since score accumulates faster through living, generally it is in the best interest of a score-seeker to avoid any hairy situations and engage enemies only at his or her discretion. Back in Air Warrior, there was a fellow who took this creed to extremes, even to the point where he would run from a 1v1 if he had a 10k alt advantage... he would either drag or run until the lower enemy engaged another plane, at which point he would swoop down for the "skillful" kill. Clearly, not all score-interested players take it to this extreme, but some degree of conservative flying is essential for score accumulation.
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Those are my thoughts anyway. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
That pretty much describes me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) At 3fps (in those days) it was easier to hit planes that were busy. However, I *never* ran with a 10k alt advantage. I *did* apply Richthofens ROE, though.
As to AH, it's not the score, it's the life! I'll do anything to break the 5:1 k/d (won't happen for quite awhile I think), EXCEPT fly for 20 minutes just to die to an alt warrior. It's too easy to *be* an alt warrior! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm curious. Are you the 'TAS' "Voss"?
-Westy
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hehe, I think the same thing every time I see that name... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fun!?Fun??
Who needs fun, when you can get that immense adrenaline kick of spotting 2 high Hogs coming in on you, after that lonely kill.
And all you want is to live..
Ahh I forgot: its only to press the "Fly" button..
danish
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Well; I find furballin is fun.. it's one of the 'big attractions' here at AH. It's the dyin part is the objectionable bit. I try to avoid that.
Rgr Hang...I gotta agree. Im a true adrenaline junkie. Nothing gets me going like entering into a furball and seeing how many kills I can rack up before I die or try to egress. Scores are great because its a form of a measuring stick by which you can guage your progress. They dont mean squat because of the way scoring works since many of the best sticks I have faced (like Towd and Verm) dont waste time buffing to build their scores so that they fall on the top 100 list. There are many pilots on that top 100 list I would scratch for these types of pilots.
Now, I would consider myself someone who *DOES* pay attention to his score yet I do not consider myself a cautious pilot....many of my wingies have berated me for entering fites where we were out-E'd. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I have even been known to give up alt to try to get a higher plane to engage. Rather than use scores to boost your esteem, use them as a way to see how you have improved from the previous tour of duty. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I've improved since B1...Have you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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High scores are attained by fighting from alt, always with the upper hand, and running like a little girl when the odds get even, or worse.
*COUGH_BS_COUGH*
Read my previous post. I am trying not to take insult with this, but there are some of us who enter fites without a perceptible advantage. This sounds like sour grapes to me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) No Offense of course.
-Ding
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Been doing some testing on scoreing. shoot down a fighter and ditch next to base. ck score.
shoot down a fighter. ditch. get captured. ck score.
ect. ect.
Still cant make much sense of it. I will say that ditching on the runway seems to be a big no, no. Put your wheels down boys.
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Easymo: ugh!
Can anyone confirm this?I've had this habit of belly landing.Much faster, and its only taxpayers money ;=)
danish
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With all the discussion going on about safe vs ferocious "fly til dead" tactics, I thought I would add my $.0002.
What bugs me a bit about the latter attitude is the seemingly disregard for realism, one of the main reasons I like flight SIMULATORS. I try to fight as if this was real; which means when i get low on fuel, I head for home. If outnumbered, I leg it, grab alt, and come back. I will attack when outnumbered if I have alt or co E in the 109, if ever so briefly.
But, when these guys who just hang around and chanse you with 10% fuel well knowing they won't make it home appear, I get a little irritated. it isn't in the spirit true to real life. It is really removing a lot of the immersion this sim has.
Sure, sometimes I go for a crazy 1v4 outnumbered out alted out e'd, but in 90% of my fling time, i fly as if I was there, with one life only.
My scores are already messed up (28! disconnects) so I don't care about them. I do, however, care about immersion and "realism", however elusive that is. What I am saying is: fly like the dudes back then did. Imagine it's your life on the line.
That'll take care of the HO dweebery too. And, no, it doesn't necessarily take two to HO. Sometimes, you are put in such an disadvantage UNLESS you go for the HO, because you waste E and alt avoiding this HO'ing dweeb. In certain circumstances, UNLESS you HO, you're outta e, outta alt, outta ideas, and the HO dweeb knows this. Nevertheless, I avoid HO's as much as possible, even though it means disadvantage/have to leg it.
It's a very good sim (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Fly like you like, this is just my personal opinion.
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StStanta of EAC
JG2 "Richthofen"
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I think we all go thru stages...back when I started I was so bad any kill was a miracle (still feel that way some days). Then I found the 190 in AW...all of a sudden I CAN SCORE...a few months of bliss...then you start to realize how limited you are.
So you grow,..in AW my inspiration came from Vet and 82nd (old RR squad)...very arrogant, but very good. Took me almost a year to kill him 1 on 1 in a fair fight. Then on to FR, a whole new curve...HR,RM,Big-T and a host of other's...
Anyway I've had more great fights here in AH then anywhere. To me nothing beats a good 1-2 or 2-3 win or lose. The gangbang stuff always will get old, but it's a part of the game.
Best fun I've had here so far was about 6 weeks ago..ran into DMF off to the side of MA by 2 I think...anyway bet we had 4-5 good 1 on 1's...think I lost everyone...but what a blast..couple went for 3-4 min (an eternity). No setup 10k stuff, just find and fight. Right now he's my Vet, one day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...thats the score that will count to me.
Big-T worked on hogs with me a little at AW99...right before I moved to AH..I was tooling along near Tin/Ran in me Hog and in barreled a Hog from 5k up...I used everything Big-T and I talked about...finally got a chance..chopped, popped and ruddered around..and zap..got rewarded with a clean couple pings and smoke...and red screened bout 5 sec later. Was Big-T (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...did he kill me yes...did I have a lot of fun, for sure..he told me it was best fight he'd had in a month...I told him it was best fight I'd ever had (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
To me thats why you play, for that special fight that comes along once in a great while.
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I know what ya mean..........right now I'm a gunnin fer Ripsnort, seems he is like 4 and 0 on me, now, I'm not a good stick, hell, ALL my kills are LUCKY SHOTS, but someday, I will hang Ripsnort's scalp from my lodge pole...... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Westy:
I'm curious. Are you the 'TAS' "Voss"?
-Westy
For once, and for all, yes.
Nice to meet you curious... :P
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I agree hmble. Btw, tell Big-T to leave the arcade (aw3), and come fly a real sim (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Tell him JASE sends his regards (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)