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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: BigCrate on March 31, 2002, 12:54:18 AM
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I was thinking maybe we could get a PTO set up in the CT. Maybe like the battle for rerbaul or something along those lines. I asked nuttz today in the MA if he would make a PTO map. And he said he would after he finished everything else. So what yall think about that?? Having a battle for rebaul set up??
Cw
=Twin Engined Devils=
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Would love it!:D
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hope not pac set ups suk
cv parks 3 miles off your base with f6fs hoin runnin to ack ho run to ack over and over.
That and pac setups bring in the milkrunners.
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You're just not flying the F6F correctly, Wotan. It can do a lot more than HO and run to ack. :p
This time around, the Japanese will have a buff of their own to harass the CV fleets. Might be a little more interesting. We did have some great F6/Ki.61 fights last time.
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Milkrunning happens in all the setups, just part of the game I guess.
My most fun has been in the Pacific setups, but that was the theater I was most interested in growing up. Let's get another Pac setup in soon. Ya'll listening CT staff? :D
Wotan, I know what you're talking about, with the CV stuff. I grew tired of it too. Best solution has to come from HTC tho. Make the fleet ack target anything in range, including friendlies, and you would see less of the ack hugging on both sides. Give the CV commander the ability to tell his gunners to open fire or hold fire, depending on the situation. Just a thought........
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would be good if the PAC map made all waters up to 20 miles from shore be "shallow water"...aka, no fleets can go within 20 miles of land. Would make for interesting air battles.
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Cool idea, Tac! Never thought of that........
Seems we saw more people in the Pac setups than what we got now........never more than 12 folks in Stalingrad, ZERO just now when I logged out. Might not be peak times, I know, but you wonder...............
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I'm partial to Pac set ups too. We'll see what we can work into the rotation. Biggest problem is still terrains and limited planeset. I know you've been hearing that for a while, but the problem has no good short term solution. As for camping the CV off shore, I'm advocating making CV respawn time at least an hour, so once you sink the carrier, they've got a long wait before they can even begin to move it towards shore again. The ability to adjust this time setting from zero to six hours was a welcome addition to the CM tools.
Sabre
CT Staff
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look during those pac setups my kd was 2 to 1 just flying a zeke.
I know no one ever hos and runs to ack I am making it up :rolleyes:
This setup is suffering from the same thing pac set ups suffer from. The limited number of Russian planes.
But the thing about pac setups we've had in the past is the entire us planeset is available compared to the at the time 3 ija/n planes.
The ija/n planset has no jabo/buff capability so its pointless to assault fields unless you have 5 or more.
The milk running was more then just a pain it ruined what little fun there was. You would log off and come bac the next day and someone had taken all the axis bases except 3. I guess they got bored near the end.
the axis couldn't even sink a cv that was offshore because no jabo.
I np had getting kills just the a2a combat was bad for te reason I stated in my first post ho run to ack ho. I know no one does it :rolleyes: and and earth moving was impossible.
I guess if I liked allied planes it would a been great :eek:
I appreciate that some guys love the pac stuff and being a lw fan I never really cared about it. I dont even read very much about pac air war. Just no interest in it. But any one can see that the ija/n are even more at a disadvantage then they were in rl.
The best setups for me when the plane are as evenly matched as possible (like the bob). But until we get the planes we need I just fly the setups I like.
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We have a couple realy great map's in the works for a PAC set up, the Kuriels: a set up for Aug 1945 with the Russians VS the Japanese (no CV"S), and rumor has it a Burma map is also being worked on ( no CV"S).
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from what i saw of the pac set up it just wasnt populated like you guys seem to think it would be.
Same as the stalingrad map.The idea sounds good but people just dont use it.
I personally love the idea of an eastern front setup but the stalingrad map as it stands needs some work.Long flights and, it seems, several bugs like being unable to use .move command for me have made this a bit of a frustrating map (for me) so I havent played in it much.
We still have the Germany map but this also needs more bases or forward fields as 10bears discussed adding recently.
It seems HTC was correct when they said bases need to be within a certain game limit rather than set to 'how they were in RL'.The idea sounds great but to play them in practice doesnt work so well.
You guys saying the IJN now have a bomber with which to harrass the US CV should remember that the ki67 only carries a 500kg bomb which means you need a minimum of 8 to sink just the CV.
I flew as much as i could stand for IJN but it meant constantly being BnZ'd in zeros or Ki's in order to save enough perks so that i could fly a nik and have half a chance against all the USAAF stuff.
As AH stands it is simply far to weighted in favour of USAAF aircraft.People dont want to play on a side that has little chance of succeeding.If PTO maps return im going to save myself a huge headache and fly for USAAF myself.
IMO I think there is enough planes for a BOB setup.also a late or middle war setup in Euro theatre with US/RAF vs LW .Also with both sides having only a small planeset a russian vs IJN setup would probably work.But the PTO planeset needs ballance.we need either more early US stuff like F4F and Dauntless or more japanese aircraft in order for there to be a greater choice of roles and therefore more incentive to fly as them.There doesnt seem to be enough fans of the planes to keep the sides even in the PTO setups.
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Ok how bout this... What about a fall of 1943 thru spring of 1944
daylight bombing camp. That is when the b17s and b24s were getting there tulips chewed by the LW. And the 8th AF almost stopped daylight bombing all together. It would be early war plane set. P-51bs early P-47s and since we have no early P-38s
the L will have to do. I'm not sure about the LW fighters I know the 190a8 would be one.
So how about tis set up??
Cw
=Twin Engined Devils=
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Originally posted by Wotan
The ija/n planset has no jabo/buff capability so its pointless to assault fields unless you have 5 or more.
Not anymore. The Ki-67 is a VERY effective bomber and it's very fast.
Originally posted by Wotan
I np had getting kills just the a2a combat was bad for te reason I stated in my first post ho run to ack ho. I know no one does it :rolleyes: and and earth moving was impossible.
I had a GREAT time flying the Tony in the last PAC setup. It's reasonably fast and very maneuverable. It dives very well too, and is great for surprising Allied fliers that assume they are untouchable in "faster" planes. The only time I had trouble with folks "ho'ing and running to ack" were when the IJN were coming in above them with numbers and the Allied planes were close to their base. Even then, I didn't have a big problem with it... I just backed off a bit and grabbed some alt, then killed them. Avoiding HO's is easy and nets me easy kills... so I love it when they attempt to HO me.
Originally posted by Wotan
I guess if I liked allied planes it would a been great :eek:
I appreciate that some guys love the pac stuff and being a lw fan I never really cared about it. I dont even read very much about pac air war. Just no interest in it. But any one can see that the ija/n are even more at a disadvantage then they were in rl.
The best setups for me when the plane are as evenly matched as possible (like the bob). But until we get the planes we need I just fly the setups I like.
Well you've made it obvious that you are a LW fan, and that's what you prefer. Fine, there are lots of CT setups that include the LW.... almost all of them actually. So if you don't like this setup... tough nuggets. Lots of folks DO like this setup. Sure, some adjustments may need to be made for gameplay balance, but it's still a great fun setup.
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my thoughts exactly, and remember it has been easter guys, I am sure stalingrad will fill a little more now that the holiday is over.
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I have 32 votes for PTO set up! ;)
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The vf-27 add another 9 votes to that!
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Originally posted by Sabre
Biggest problem is still terrains and limited planeset.
I agree 100%
The air war in the Pacific after 1943 (call it 1944) was pretty much one sided to the allies favor with planes such as the Hellcat, Corsair, P-51D, P-38L, B-29, and the Avenger.
What's needed is parity.
A 1942/3 planeset which included the A6M2, A6M3, Ki.43, D4Y, Kate, D3A(Val), P-40, F4F, P-39, Devastator, B-25 and P-38F (we've already got the P-51b, Spits and Hurricanes so I didn't include them in the list) would make a PAC arena that would draw large crowds.
However until these planes are added to the current stable, any early war PAC is out.
Now the N1K2 holds it's own against most of the current "allied" A/C and the Ki.61 does fair, but the A6M5 is way outclassed.
Although the Ki.67 will give a good accounting of itself and balances well against the B-26, it just doesn't carry enough payload to really plaster a target like the B-17 and in no way addresses the lack of Nipponese CV based A/C.
So to setup a late war PAC arena planeset with any kind of parity is gonna require additional planes like the Ki.84, Ki.100, J2M5, and G4M2. Even then the list still needs to include Val and Kate for CV based planes as well as adding the Ki.45 or Ki.48 for land based JABO type A/C.
The BoB setup so far is my favorite, as it is well balanced, I didn't care for the last PAC setup as the allied A/C dominated the arena.
My 0.02 cents.
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LOL! Okay, okay...you PTO lovers have made your point. Since HBlair has to go AWOL, that leaves this weekend's set up in my lap. As "Fire in the Sky" seemed to be a pretty popular set up based on attendance, we could go with that (don't think the Tunisia terrain is ready yet, anyway). As before, I'll keep the B-17's restricted to more rear-ward bases, and this time do away with the Royal Navy's carrier, making it a US CV. Likewise, I'll make the Nikki unperked, but only available at a few bases. Finally, I'll set the CV respawn time to one or two hours, to punish those who carelessly place them too close off shore:D. Here's my first cut at a planeset:
USA:
B-17 (at rear bases), B-26, P-38, P-47D-11, F4U-1, C-47, and TBM at land bases; F6F, TBM, PT, LVT's on CV; M-16, M-8, M-3 at land bases, too.
IJ: Ki-67, Ki-61, A6M5, N1K2 (select land bases), TBM, C-47, plus above mentioned vehicles at land bases; A6M5, TBM, LVT's, PT on CV.
Radar, icons, and fuel burn rate as per usual. Looking forward to flying the Tony again. I've got to run this by my rapidly shrinking CT staff brethern, but that's what I'm thinking about right now.
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I dont know sabre, I fly allied, and i think that setup favors us a little bit too much maybe. I love the carrier 1 or 2 hours down though! great idea. Hope it does not get abused.
I am worried about offsetting the power of the 38, 47 and f4u. And why cant we get the f4u off of the carriers? We have wings in our squad that are supposed to be flying them, but cant take off from carriers with them like the rest of us f6f pilots. Can you limit the 38 and 47 fields, and allow f4us to take off from the carriers? No offense to you 38 and 47 lovers, but I feel sorry for the ijn and the restricted niki.
Thanks again for putting pacific up sabre!
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Sounds like a great set-up to me. The PTO is my favorite set-up.
Hazed, I don't know where you get your figures from but every night we had our squad meetings in the CT when it was set for PTO the sky was FULL.
We had some great fights with our Hellcats vs. the Tony's, George's & Zeke's.
Would still like to see the Corsairs available from the CV's.
Also would like to see the fleet's seperated. Have the Cruiser fleet and CV fleet under seperate control as in the scenarios. That way the cruisers could pull up to the beach to shell & launch the Marines and the CV's could stay in deep water where they are easier defended.
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Lots of folks DO like this setup
they all are from allied squads no surprise there lol I dont care how occasionally some flies ija/n in these setups they still are 1 sided.
The fights were always the same. Ho miss dive away to cv ack grab repeat.
the ki-67 isnt a good attack bomber with its limited payload. t cant even sink a cv. it only carries 1 500kg. whats your defination of effective? lol Thats 8 trips to sink a cv.
Its good with 3 or more or as a fast strike deacked as long as its followed up by 4 to 5 attack fighters. But rarely did I see 10 + axis in a pac setup.
I got plenty of kills its just that its so 1 sided that folks start the milkrunning because of nothing else to do.
1 allied jabo can level a twn thenh auger and role a goon. Where its takes 5 zekes or ki-61s. So the land grab side of the ct makes it little fun imho.
I mean i logged one night came bac in the next day to find the axis with 2 bases left each with a cv parked at umm.
I have flown alot of allied sorties in the ct.
The problem is they enable the entire allied planset vrs the 3 axis fighters.
We just dont have the planset to have a competative set.
Parity makes the best setups. BoB was real fun. The Kurland that buzzbait set up was a fun one.
The reason Stalingrad doesn't pull more folks is because of the limited planeset.
I have flown here since day 1 map it all sorts of crazy setups and I think I will voice my opinion when I see something I dont like. Theres only 2 things in the ct I dont like field capture and pac setups. They both do more to limit the combat in combat theater and replace it with milkrunners.
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I may get Keel hauled by my squaddies for this, but I say UN-PERK the N1K, or else if you must perk it, set it low.
Yes the air war was one sided after 1943 in the Pacific, but then again the Luftwaffe wasnt as powerful in 1944 as it had been before. Many of the Luftwaffes greats were dead or injured during the last year of war, and like the Japanese, they had a lot of green pilots flying. The great thing about Aces High is you can see what things would have been like with better trained pilots. Fortunatly for us we don't die we simply roll again and learn from our mistakes. The LW had some great planes, and the LW pilots we have in AH are able to show us how great the planes were. If we keep perking the best IJN plane to death, where nobody can fly it, people will get fed up with zekes, and leave. Give em the damn N1K un-perk it, yeah there may not have been a lot of them, but it's not like the Japanese have the KI-84 to fly as well.
If we want Japanese pilots to fight against we got to give them a reason to fly. Not stick em in Zekes, and forget about em.
FREE THE GEORGE!:p
FREE THE CORSAIR TO OPERATE FROM CVs!:p
BRING ON THE A6M2,A6M3,KI43,KI84,N1K2,B5N,D3A,B6N,D4Y,KI100,SBD,F4F,AND SB2C! YEAH BABY!
Oh boy , gave myself a headache.
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Originally posted by Sabre
Biggest problem is still terrains and limited planeset. CT Staff
... Simple solution. Increase the PAC Planeset!
I don't want to go off on a rant here....but there has to be some equity in Theatres. For all the LW and RAF planes in here, the relatively speaking Oliver Twist-like servings of IJN / CV based planes, one has to wonder about 1.10 already. I know I am.
Increase the planeset over the next few releases, and possibly some tweaking with the CV-turned-Higgins Boat type of furballing, and the PAC will be a great place to fly.
How about mines? And randomize their concentration based on the fleet's proximity to shore? Would make taking bases w/ LTV's an adventure, also..or more shore batteries..
Just a few thoughts....
Gainsie
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Funny you should ask this, I have a tile set that does axactly what you describe. I took the sand tile and put the water tile as a transpariency over it. then I used this "shallow water" tile to transform with water. It looks quite cool the shallow water acts like a land tile but the clutter is the "bubbles". From the air it does give a "feel" of the water depth, but we lose a land tile.
PT boats cannot use the shallow water tile, AND any land GV, like a tank can drive over this tile, so you may want to rethink this.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Tac
would be good if the PAC map made all waters up to 20 miles from shore be "shallow water"...aka, no fleets can go within 20 miles of land. Would make for interesting air battles.
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Wotan, I am really not seeing what you see. I have never come onto the ct *(the only arena I fly in) and found all but a couple bases left. I am not saying this does not happen, but I just dont see it as a problem.
Last time PTO was a success. LW have had map after map.
Free the george (i didnt think it was perked, just placed in a distant field like the 38 and 47).
I think there is reasonable parity. zero (dont knock it, it aint that bad), the tony, the george. The allies have the f6f, f4u, and 47, and 38. That is only 1 extra fighter than the other side. I never saw a b17 last time I played the pacific. The ki 67 is pretty much untouchable by the f6f which is the predominant allied fighter because of the cvs.
I think the russia vs japan will be an interesting match up too. After BOB, large plane selection is no longer a big thing for me.
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Gonna take some heat for this:
I really don't care if the dedicated LW guys don't like a Pac setup. The CT terrains should be rotated through several maps and scenarios to give everyone a chance to fly the setup they like. Guys like Habu and Mitsu and others can and do wreak havoc in the Ki61 and N1K2J, so it's not just about the planesets.
It's no secret that I prefer USAAF rides first, then USN ones. But that doesn't mean I never give the others (LW, RAF, VVS, IJN) a go. I usually look at the roster first when I log in and fly whichever side is low on numbers. Sometimes it is Axis, most often it is Allied. The point is, you guys limit yourselves by refusing to fly anything that is not a LW plane. I can understand that you are fans of those aircraft, but sheesh guys! Get real!
Wotan, I see the exact same ack running in each and every setup we have that has LW planesets. Soon as the LW guy loses the angle, he is GONE to the acks or to his 7 buddies who are closing in to make it a real fun gangbang. Comments on channel one are normally either a remark about extending, or fighting smart.........which is what your opponents appear to have been doing when you fought them, no?
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and I dont care for a setup that dedicated allied pilots like :)
so what
erg or whoever I have seen you in the ct that said if you just started in the ct during bob base capture was severly curtailed.
If you started when perdonia was the map that was a reflection of the relative parity in which both sides had strike capability.
So unless you were in the island (1st pac setup) map where it was nothing but milkruns then you need not offer an opinion.
I have flown all planes in the ct eddiek so your several sorties in a ki61 mean as much to me as my 10 jug sorties do to you.
That said there still only 3 jap fighters vrs the entire allied planset. All outclassed. Every f6f ya fight same thing ho miss run to ack come bac again.
I flew in the 1st pac set up and the last it was always the same.
The axis have no strike aircraft. Cvs lead to them being parked offshore.
I dont care what plane you fly thats what happens.
The fact is eto uk/us vrs lw is the only theater where we are close to parity. Thus they are the most fun.
There are all sorts of setups we could if we had the planes.
med ,east front, manchuria, rabual or any pac set up but we dont have the planes yet.
Until then the pac setups suffer more then any other due to the complete lack of parity amoung the sides.
This aint a war its "combat" theater. Those setups that offer the best combat are the funnest. Its irrelevant to me that all the allieds pilots are happy with a scewed pac setup.
The fact is is guys like Hazed and a few others that live in the ct. They fly all the setups. They just dont pop their head in when its the allied vrs zekes and ki61s.
Hell just zekes vrs p38s would be fun.
I would love a set of the entire lw planeset vrs just spit 1 and hurris but I wouldnt be for that either.
:)
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Originally posted by Wotan
Every f6f ya fight same thing ho miss run to ack come bac again.
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Every F6 huh Wotan? LOL. When you make blanket comments like that you lose credibility. Not all F6s HO, and run for ack. That said, I've been Ho'd many a time by 190s, and during the BOB the ME110s were getting in on the HO act. However I am not going to condem all FW-190 and 110 drivers with a blanket tag like that.
If you don't like the PTO thats understandable, and nobody blames you for your taste or opinion. Why do you have to sling feces at the whole group of F6F fans? Is not getting your way one week worth pissing off everyone who flies the F6? Remember a lot of these guys like me are in VF-27 a F6F squad. We fly our squad nights in CT twice a week. We don't get on and whine and berate the Luftwaffe guys because they get set-ups with their favorite planes. We don't boycott the arena ethier on those weeks. We get in and fly where needed, and wait on the next PTO. I was going to post this reply yesterday when you got on this thread and the Stalingrad thread complaining about F6 drivers. I thought NO, Wotans a level headed guy he'll pull out.
I guess I was wrong. This is the CT "Combat Theater", not the WWWA, "What Wotan Wants Arena". The PTO folks have been quiet and un-complaining, and they sure havent been running down LW, RAF, or USAAF drivers. So why not lighten up and not puke all over our one week of fun, Im sure you'll have at least 4 to 5 weeks of Luftwaffe planes before you see another PTO.
Sheesh come up for air!:rolleyes:
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aint feces its fact
I have with a np with a ho and killed plenty of f6fs in a zeke and if your offended by it thats on you.
Saying that f6f hos is no more an insult then to say 190a8s ho.
Its the ack running thats the problem. 5 inch flak picks ya off 20k away. Its no fun. This happens on both sides so did the cv parking. I honesty dont think I upped off a cv 1 time in the previous pac setups. Mostly because a suicide jabo would sink ours but the axis couldn't even do that so allied cv pretty could move in right next to our bases......
I am not whining but you can define how ever ya want.
3 planes vrs the whole plansets is no fun.
I dont care what you fly or how ya fly I am just stating my experience over the past pac set ups.
I not try to convince you or anyone else that I am right. Ofcourse you are happy for a pac set up what allied guy that posted here isnt?
And where have I stated that ct ought cater to me? where?
I made a statement that given the current plane set a pac set up is and has proven to be 1 onesided milkrun.
Again what would you complain about? 3 planes vrs the entire allied planeset...... like I said I would love a spit 1 hurri vrs the entire lw planset but I wouldn't advocate 1 for the ct.
when has there been 5 or 6 weeks of lw stuff? Bob and stalingrad thats it. Before that they ran pretty much an open planeset which were more fun because the planesets were more balanced.
Stalingrad suffers from the same thing a pac set ups suffers from a lack of russian planes. But theres no cv ack platform parked 2 miles from the runway.
Who do you think makes up the majority of axis sorties in a pac setup? Mostly lw.....and if ya want someone to fight then best way to ensure that is to comeup with setups with real good balanced planesets. Why do ya need evry allied plane in the hanger?
Cant say zekes vrs 38s be fun? Cant say f4us and tonies be fun?
Why have field capture? cant the fight just be fun?
Lighten..... you dont see smiley faces? :)
I stand by everything I've said. But ya never know this one just might be different :)
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Wotan, read my post above about the set up. It isn't "all allied planes against the three japanese fighters. It's four allied fighters and 3 bombers against three japanese fighters and 2 bombers. The N1K2 will be free, by the way...just not available at all IJ bases. F6F will likewise be restricted to CV's only. Soooo....
Sabre
CT Staff
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I'll pipe in and say I strongly disagree with Wotan and I personally enjoyed the PTO CT. I remember some very good fights flying the Tony, Hellcat or Corsair. In fact, I think the George, Zeke and Tony vs the Hellcat, Lightning and Corsair is an interesting and excellent matchup. Throw in the P-47 and P-51 if felt necessary, but I'm fine without them. The only gripe I had is to keep the Spitfire out because we don't need it in every single setup. And as far as the dogfighting style, I don't remember a greater than normal amount of HO'ing or ack-hiding than your typical Euro or any other setup. In fact, I personally do not remember any cases of this from the allies when I flew the PTO. I think Wotan is way off base here in poo-pooing a setup for us PTO fans and I would be happy to suggest the LW sit in the penalty box for a few CT rounds. I remember joining every early CT setup and getting stuck flying LW aircraft. I gritted my teeth and tried to fly those crap-turning, cannon-armed HO monsters. Sadly though, circumstances have me in a position that I can't fly for a bit and so cannot support any PTO arena.
Wotan, I'm not sure if English is your 2nd language or you are just young, but I find you hard to follow at times.
I'd really like to see F4Fs, P40s and early Zekes find their way to Aces High.
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Wotan, I have been in the CT since it reupped. That first PTO is what hooked me on the CT. I loved flying the ki the couple times I did before I joined the vf-27 for the combat arena and moved exclusively to allied. In the MA I used to fly only LW focusing mostly on the 190a5.
We fly hurries, seafires, whatever is offered that takes off from a carrier and we enjoy it. We grin and bear it, maybe you should too.
Cant wait to up tomorrow for squad night and fly some of them russian birds. Against what? LW of course!!!
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The first Pac setup was the most fun for me. First time I logged in the IJN had parked their CV off to the NE of A47, was vulching the heck outta the field.
Couple hours later, me and Hangtime upped from the fleet NE of P32 and took Hellcats out to do battle with a pesky Tony pilot. To make a long story short, the Tony got Hang, then went after me. I drug him down after an extended chase and we mixed it up for about 5 minutes, then I finally got a good shot on him and got the kill. That one sortie alone I ended up with 6 kills, all against Ki61's, and not one time was there an HO. Did I extend? Hell yes I did! There were up to four bad guys on the way at any one time, so when I finished one, I had to extend a bit to get speed before the next one came after me.
I didn't get to fly the second Pac setup due to computer troubles, but would love to have given it a go.
And, FWIW, I do fly the LW and other Axis rides, depending on what is needed to balance the sides.
Fly a Pac setup if you like it, sit it out if ya don't. Makes me no difference.
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This set up is gonna be badass!!!!!!I don't care if the 38or 47s can only up at more rearward bases.. I will be flying 38s and hogs mostly. and I want to take off from a CV when I'm in a hog.
And when i'm in a 38 well it will just get me more time to climb to a hi alt and think more about how to kill all those niks :D :D :D
Cw
=Twin Engined Devils=
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:D :D :D
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Wotan,
Not every sentence is a paragraph, so try not to put a space after every sentence. I really can't follow what you are writing, it's a really large mess. Try to use some proper capitalization, punctuation, and spacing. I assume English is your second language, but please try to modify your writing style a bit for ease of reading.
I think there is a nicely balanced plane set here. Give the IJN the George at all bases, along with Tony and Zeke. I think it's easier to simply go B26 vs. Ki-67 in the buff role... no B-17 needed really. On the Allied side I'd like to see F6F-5, P-38, F4U-1, and P-47-D11.
You know, no carriers at all would simplify things in my eyes.
And BTW, although I normally fly the Jug, Hellcat, or Hog, in Pac setups I very much enjoy flying the Tony.
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Oh lep we need the carrier!!!! I am all for the extending the shallows, so you cant pull it right up to an enemy base. Or even better do like in the BOB and put up some heavy defense around those bases.
Also believe that the b26 is enough. A26 would be even better! dont really need the b17, although I am sure some like to fly it against the ijn without having a p51 swoop in and take a wing off.
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I could probably see my way clear to allow the D-hog off the CV's. My main concern was trying to balance the IJN and USN airwings as much as the planes set would allow (i.e. one fighter and one strike a/c each). I really think the respawn delay will have a positive influence to cut down on cv-camping just off shore. It won't stop it, but should curtail it, as air superiority will be necessary to protect the CV. Because of my desire to allow amphib assaults, I don't want to take them out entirely...just convince people to use them more wisely. I'd prefer to have two types of fleets (CV vs CA), as in the Philippine map, but don't have that option with the Ndisles terrain. I'm not using the Philippine terrain, as it just doesn't have enough land bases for a good set up. As for the B-17, they will be relatively minor players; only the die-hard buff guys will want to fly as far as they'll need to to hit the enemy, but I want to give them the option.
Sabre
CT Staff
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ndisles huh. Okay, I was thinking of the last pacific map we had (very nice), but as you say few land bases (arggh the way we likes it m8ty). Thanks for the hogs on the boats.
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maybe we can sub the la 5 for the ki84 that would even things up a little maybe perk it a point or 2:)
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S!
The George is a far better plane 1-1 than the F4U1 , P-47D11 or F6f5. The P-38L has a tough time with it. Having it as an unperked plane available at all bases would is imbalanced. Personally I think it is better to have it as a low value perk at all bases.
The N1k2 George`s historical opponents were the F4U-D, F4U-C, F4U-4, P-51D and P-47N all of which are better than the existing Allied planes. The F6f5 also was an opponent, and was outclassed but had big numbers advantages as well as better pilot quality.
Excluding the George and P-38L, the planes in this setup are very even.
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Originally posted by Andijg
Hazed, I don't know where you get your figures from but every night we had our squad meetings in the CT when it was set for PTO the sky was FULL.
My personal experience in the PTO CT (pretty much flying each day)was of flying for ijn and getting my bellybutton handed on a plate in the zero/george for loads of fights.finally getting enough perks to fly the NIK and then after doing well in it but inevitably losing it, starting all over again in the less than equally matched zero and george again. Like i said i wont be flying for IJA/N in the next pac set up if i fly in it.The frustration almost put me off the CT altogether last time.
Besides id rather, maps permissing, try other set ups first. The new map (cant remember its name) that nuttz made would be fine for a IJA vs VVs set up that might be fun.
anyhoooo its up to sabre and the other CM's i guess.
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I think most ct folks are all for a no perk on the nik, I know i am. I was unaware it was perked last time.......
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I'd remove the P-38L from the setup, perk it or make it FAR in the back lines. It has too much JABO capability and is unbalanced as such. It carries far more payload than the Ki-87 (2 1000lbs & 10 HVARs vs 1 500kg, that's 1100lbs, bomb).
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The "GEORGE" and the N1K2 are the exact same airplane. The Ki-61 was codenamed "TONY".
J_A_B
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Perdonia! Perdonia was designed by Hblair With the stipulation "could You make a map with tiles that could be used for Europe and Pac theater?" I think the terrain could be used for both, and it is a pretty balanced map.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by hazed-
My personal experience in the PTO CT (pretty much flying each day)was of flying for ijn and getting my bellybutton handed on a plate in the zero/george for loads of fights.finally getting enough perks to fly the NIK and then after doing well in it but inevitably losing it, starting all over again in the less than equally matched zero and george again. Like i said i wont be flying for IJA/N in the next pac set up if i fly in it.The frustration almost put me off the CT altogether last time.
Besides id rather, maps permissing, try other set ups first. The new map (cant remember its name) that nuttz made would be fine for a IJA vs VVs set up that might be fun.
anyhoooo its up to sabre and the other CM's i guess.
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ohhh i hate perdonia! Feels absolutely artificial. everything revolves around a33, yawn........
Wide open stretches of ocean, and cvs.............. Not dinky arse rivers with carriers on em.
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I strongly suggest with all this water you reconsider adding CV's. I can make a custom group and eliminate the battlewagon in the group to weaken the effect the group can destroy the feilds. And/or put alot of shorebatts at each feild. But with all this water 60% of the map would be wasted, confining the fights within 40% of the map. If this is what your looking for great, But I really think you should add them for gameplay sake.
Just my opinion.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by brady
We have a couple realy great map's in the works for a PAC set up, the Kuriels: a set up for Aug 1945 with the Russians VS the Japanese (no CV"S), and rumor has it a Burma map is also being worked on ( no CV"S).
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yes, the CV's are very hard to manage up the "dinky arse rivers" ( i like this) but the map is still balanced good for gameplay. the fights at A33 are because the numbers in the CT ( at the moment) doesn't spread out the fights much in ANY map. It is no more "artifical" than any other map., IMO. But to each his own some like chocolate some vanilla.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by ergRTC
ohhh i hate perdonia! Feels absolutely artificial. everything revolves around a33, yawn........
Wide open stretches of ocean, and cvs.............. Not dinky arse rivers with carriers on em.
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Really? We had some really good carrier battles out at see in that last large ocean map. I remember flying tbm and f6f sorties off of our carrier to search out and sink the enemy cruiser groups, before they intercepted our carriers (which we soon figured out was devastating to our carrier operations).
I see the problem though. Maybe separate the carrier from the cruiser groups. If we have half a brain we would keep them together, but that is hard. Couldnt the enemy bases be place further back from the shore to reduce the impact of 'parking the carrier'? The large number of shore batteries seem to work reasonably well in the bob setup, I did not see too many base captures from cvs in the last setup either.
I dont think there is any reason to limit japanese carriers, considering our planeset....
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Weazel was going to update the Philippine terrain a while back, adding more fields and new logistics features like convoys and trains. It looked like he was making progress, but I don't know what the status is now. Too late for this weekend, but I'll see if I can get him re-energized on it. Its best feature in my opinion was the creation of separate types of fleets. One type was a three CV carrier group (no cruisers) and the other was a three Cruiser battle group (no CVs). The CVBG's did not have LVT's enabled, but the cruiser battle groups did. If the land masses just had more airfields, I'd use it in a heart beat.
Sabre
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Make a map with no land and lots of CV's.
Talk about fluid fronts. hehehe
F.
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The Japanese only built 400 or so N1K2s. That seems to be a limiting factor on it in this scenario.
However, they built 3,500 Ki84s, an aircraft that is unavailable at this time and was better than the N1K2.
It seems to me that in light of the lack of Ki84s, the Japanese should be given greater access to the N1K2.
I would love to see more Japanese aircraft added, but please, please only add the Val and Kate if lots of early American stuff is coming too. The B6N2 or B7A2 would make a much better choice for the 1943-1945 Pacific environment.
The AA accuracy of ships needs to be turned down so as to make torpedo runs an actuall possibility.
Bring the Ki-44, Ki-84, Ki-102, J2M3 and B7A2 to Aces High.
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
I can make a custom group and eliminate the battlewagon in the group to weaken the effect the group can destroy the feilds.
NUTTZ
Hey Nuttz, thats a great idea, then there woud be no temptation for people to put the CV groups on the beach!
It may also incline the people to CAP their CV's.
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Nuttz: Make a second type of fleet, the surface assualt fleet with two or three cruisers with escorts but no CV. These will spawn LVT's while the cv groups can not. Please, pretty please?
Sabre
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The Kuriels map will have CV's built in by NUTTZ so we can do what if set up's on it if we want, but for the initial set up I intend to do a solely Russian vs Japanese plane set. In general I realy enjoy the dynamic that CV's add to game play.
BTW Perdonia is a very very good map imo, great ballence and game play.