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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sky Viper on March 31, 2002, 12:30:24 PM
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Man, that's rediculous!
I'm glad you folks gave us this pretty bird, but the perks and the special ICON means I won't fly it. I don't care to be singled out because my opponents can get more points.
I also don't see where it's worth 60 pts. By comparison, the F4U4 is a much better plane IMO.
If the Icon were changed, and the points lowered to say 20, then I'd fly it.
While on the subject, I think it fair to change the F4U4 Icon to F4U. Then I wouldn't squeak about the points.
Viper
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i think u should see perkplanes on the radar
:D
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Originally posted by Sky Viper
the perks and the special ICON means I won't fly it.
10 perks and a special icon for SpitIX and no more spit plague :D
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* It's a monster plane.
* But it's more of a 109G-10 with better maneuverability and Hispanos rather than a upgraded version of a "Spitfire". People expecting it to fly like a Spit would be surprised it behaves more like a 109.
* I agree the perks are expensive on all perk planes.
* But as long as all planes are perked this expensive way, the Spit14 is worth every bit of its perks.
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that spity14 is fast , had one run away from my pee51, maybe we started with different e-states, dono, but could not catch him even with wep.
BTW, if you land your plane it costs you zero perk points. think of perk cost as a deposit, bring the plane back , get your deposit back.
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LOL SKVP you spit dweeb you !! ;)
How's this we go into the dueling arena, you take the F4U-4 and I'll take the Spit XIV and see who wins. Then we'll switch back and forth for a few times.
Seriously, the F4U-4 is a good plane, but no where near a Spit XIV in capability.
Your lucky its that cheap!
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>>that spity14 is fast , had one run away from my pee51, maybe we started with different e-states, dono, but could not catch him even with wep. <<
Spit 14 was not supposed to be able to outspeed a mustang period. The only WW2 plane late model or not, that could outspeed a P-51 was the me-262. If it was a better E state I could see that, and wtg to the runner but, in a dead heat you should have caught that Spitty and made him work to shake you off his tail.
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Don, you need to go back and check your references.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/models/charts/spit14speed.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/models/charts/p51dspeed.gif)
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Originally posted by Vermillion
LOL SKVP you spit dweeb you !! ;)
How's this we go into the dueling arena, you take the F4U-4 and I'll take the Spit XIV and see who wins. Then we'll switch back and forth for a few times.
Seriously, the F4U-4 is a good plane, but no where near a Spit XIV in capability.
Your lucky its that cheap!
Spit Dweeb eh? Best check my stats. I think I have more time/kills in the Typhoon, Jug -25 and FW190 A5 than anything else.
As for the challenge, it's tempting but I'm sure you are the better pilot. Not to mention I'm sure the Spit will out turn the Hog.
However, I have seen enought Spit XIV's lately to know that I've survived several XIV attacks in my Jug and Typhoon.
I also know how fast I've pulled away from a fight in a Hog-4. I guess a drag race would tell for sure, but it feels like the -4 is faster.
Then there is the historical representation. I could be wrong, but the perk system when it was conceived was supposed to help add some measure of limit. This limit was supposed to represent the limited production/availability of certain aircraft. Unfortunately, it's become more of a punity/bonus factor base on the power or, in the case of the C-Hog, a price limit on the fighter with the most kills/whines.
I think Kweassa may have a better answer burried in his post...
Originally posted by Kweassa
* I agree the perks are expensive on all perk planes.
* But as long as all planes are perked this expensive way, the Spit14 is worth every bit of its perks.
Perhaps if every plane in the arena had a cost...or maybe just most of them, then people wouldn't pay so much attention to the perk gold that comes from shooting down a high priced plane.
On second though...not a good idea!
People tend to ignore you when you are in deep need of help, just to grab the mighty perk kill. You end up dead, and the enemy gains an advantage.
I know that I've used the 262 and Hog-4 more than once to draw enemy off a buff attack. It works like raw beef and a pack of hounds!
Viper
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>>Don, you need to go back and check your references. <<
I did. The maximum speed in level flight for the Mustang P-51D (AH model) was 437 MPH; the maximum speed for the Spit 14 was 450.
But this doesnt explain all that can happen in a fight. There are/were numerous accounts of Mustangs reaching speeds up to 500 mph ; usually in a dive without compression. Few a/c in WW2 could "walk away" from the P-51. A 13 mph difference cannot account for what was described in the post I responded to. Now in the case of the Me-262, there was a 100 mph difference in top speed. The only way a P-51 could kill one would be to dive on it to build up enough speed to catch it (without compressing). Or, they caught them as they were taking off (not the same thing).
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Not really true Don. 190 D was equal and sometimes better then P51 in dives and level flight. In dives there were few that could compete with these 2 planes, the P47 could. In level flight there were quite a few late war planes that saw action and were faster both in max speed and acceleration then the P51 D.
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Don, no offense, but you said:
Spit 14 was not supposed to be able to outspeed a mustang period. The only WW2 plane late model or not, that could outspeed a P-51 was the me-262
Thats blatantly wrong, period. And now your changing what you said. Not only is the Spit XIV faster than the P-51 at critical altitude, its faster at many altitudes. Plus it has much better acceleration than the P-51D. If thats not the definition of "outspeed", I dont know what the proper definition is. A good Spit XIV pilot should be able to outrun the P-51D at will, except for right on the deck. The same is true of the Fw190D9 and to some extent the Me109G10, which the P51D can only escape from by using its higher critical mach number and divespeed.
SKVP, the point is not who's the better pilot, but which was the "better plane" :) While the F4U-4 is a great plane, the XIV has better acceleration, better climb, better guns (at least in AH), much better turn, and equal speed. The -4 has a better roll rate and maybe a slight edge in divespeed, otherwise its toast in a 1 v 1 with the XIV. I'm not sure why the -4 feels faster to you, *shrugs* but I would guess that its a illusion.
Perks are there to promote arena diversity. They are not necessarily there to simulate rarity or dates of introduction.
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Bring He-177 to Aces High !
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/he177/orig_he177_a5.jpg)
Greetings to Ammo :)
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Speaking of speed:
Isn't the P51 B faster than the D?
And, since we're comparing speed in AH planes, isn't the TA 152 H faster than the Mustangs and the Spit XIV?
I don't remember the numbers, but I thought the D9 was slower at most altitudes.
Viper
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I think the 51B is faster than the 51D in certain altitudes only. As for D-9s, P-51D is a bit faster, but the D-9 has better acceleration, and the D-9 seems to be certainly faster at low altitudes. The usual 'Runstang' tactics deployed by unexperienced P-51D pilots is do nothing but dive to deck and expect it to out run everything else - in this case, the 190D-9 following the P-51D in dive will catch up with the P-51 once the dive is over and level flight at deck is achieved. It's just a matter of 'when'.
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and the experienced pilots wont do that.You could say this about any aircraft, even the me262 an inexperienced flyer could be caught by a 202 :D hell ive seen stsanta get one smoking in his hehe.
a good pilot or one that knows his plane can use any speed advantage their aircraft has quite easily.In fact running requires the least skill of all.Knowing when to run, and at what alt, is a different matter.Thats where the skill does come in or at least a good memory :)
heres the top speeds, and at what alt, of the planes you have mentioned
Ta152H 471MPH (41k)
109K4 451MPH (19.7k)(just for comparison)
SPIT14 450 (26k)
P51D 436MPH (25k)
TEMPEST 435MPH (18.5k)
P47D 427MPH (30K)
190D9 426MPH (21.7k)
the 109G10 goes somewhere in there but unfortunately i have no data on it. Id imagine somewhere @430mph? and probably around the 20k mark?
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and came up with 440mph, Hazed.
Have to check some of the other threads to be sure tho........
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Thnx Hazed..Very usefull.
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I also got numbers around 440mph for AH 109G-10.
The charts provided by HTC seem to be about 448mph.
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The G10 was broken at least up until 1.09 came out (haven't tested it since). Its suppose to do 452mph (same as the K4), but currently is about 7-10mph too slow at critical altitude.