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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Makofan on April 02, 2002, 12:13:50 AM
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Now that I have your attention ...
I flew a P-47D-11 today (first time flying a Jug, wanted to try something dofferent). What is the difference between the three P-47 models (in layman's terms please)?
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43437
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I seem to have the best luck in the Jug30, I believe its the
most modern of the variants. It kicks but at 25k buff cover,
8 .50's can cure any poor marksmanship and 1700rnds per
4 guns, jeez. ive kilt 190's at 1.0k by pure spray and pray.
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Thanks for the link! All I can see is that it looks like a preference thing. I just get fascinated by the different ENY values; I lthink I might fly the D-11 just because nobody else does!
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Nobody flies it?? I know about 20 guys who fly that plane pretty consistently. ;)
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I fly all three Jugs. The D-30 has a bit more powerful WEP, but otherwise is identical to the D-25. The D-11 is a bit lighter, with a different prop (non-paddle blade) and so it's not as fast but turns a bit better.
I use all three depending on the situation. I've started flying the D25 lately, because that's the least-used version. Lots of folks fly the D30 for ground attack because of it's amazing ordinance load capability.
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the D-25 is my favorite ride. I havn't found any difference betwin D25 and D30 in terms of flight char. (even the wep difference is minor). maybe, only maybe, they controlls of the D25 handle a bit more sluggish than the D30.
beware of the bazooka rockets, they slow you down.
the D11 handles better then the other two, exept for the stall which seems a bit more violent (and shouldn't be I think). the real problem with it is the horrible front visibility, I just can't lag turn with it without having the bandit dissapear behind that two squares frames in my face.
Also note that the D11 has smaller fuel tank, hense shorter legs.
ENY value was changed to 40 so you can earn some perks in it now.
Bozon
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I prefer the D-11 over the other jugs. Just because it can turn a bit better and dives just as good. Personally, if the jug30 is a little bit faster, who cares? A jug is either going very fast or going very slow.
Any 262 pilot wannabe should fly the D30, I find the tactics used in that plane to be the almost identical to those used in a 262.
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Yep, the 262 is pretty much an uber-Jug but with crappy LW guns. I can't hit a bloody thing with those quad 30's, especially with the closure speed you normally have in that beast.
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Originally posted by Lephturn
I fly all three Jugs. The D-30 has a bit more powerful WEP, but otherwise is identical to the D-25. The D-11 is a bit lighter, with a different prop (non-paddle blade) and so it's not as fast but turns a bit better.
S!
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/cool/jug_speeds.jpg)
Not much differences but table shows that D-11 is actually the fastest jug in game.
Tests were done after 1.08 patch 6 were D-30 WEP was corrected.
25% fuel
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Makofan, excellent choice! Stick with D-11, it's uber :)
I am not so choosy with planes, I fly all green jugs except D-25. Low speed handling in D-11 is superb, even with wep. You can do funny things at low speeds after little training, nothing is more fun than flying at the deck (100ft) and watch hungry spit coming in to your six. At distance 600 or so start violent rolling scissors with full flaps and watch that spit crash!! People tends to go "greedy mode on" after they see low jug, remember this, you can use it as a weapon! D-11 has very good "secret" weapon; it's ability to make hammerheads. If you're looping long enough and figure out that not enough speed for another loop, no problem, you can change it to hammerhead/wingover -kind of combination in any time. That'll surprise your bogey =) Practise lots of vertical thingies, jugs are real E fighters, but do not hesitate to take it down and dirty too, it actually can do some furballing. Just remember to not to start turn with anyone, not even B-17; it'll out turn you. You may start turning with full flaps and think that wow, this can turn, but look at the nme, he's flying eights around you and laughing his prettythang off!! Been there =)
Good luck!
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I think my game is broke, only have 3 planes in my hanger P47 D11, 25, and 30 ..........hmmm
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Thanks Vector!
That definitely goes into my "print and paste" book!
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Glad to help Makofan :)
I forgot one really important thing (I may have to kill you after telling this :p ):
if you enable "low & dirty" -mode, be sure to take only 8x267 rpg ammo and as little fuel as possible! Some ppl even prefer only 6 guns, but I don't like it that way; it's like a shark without teeths... D-11 with 267rpg rolls much better and overall vertical handling is better and you still have loads of ammo.
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Who cares about P-47 ? What AH should have is He-177
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/he177/orig_he177_a5.jpg)
Say hi to Ammo :)
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Originally posted by Staga
Who cares about P-47 ?
Makofan, Sancho, Whitehawk, Lephturn, bozon, Tac, Monk and me for starters
This thread is about Makofan asking the differences between the jugs, he's not asking for new planes nor anything like.
You should go elsewhere to make your girlish revenge posts.
Bad move from you staga...
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Vector yoy were in that topic too so that post is for you too :)
Play Ball !
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Originally posted by Vector
This thread is about Makofan asking the differences between the jugs, he's not asking for new planes nor anything like.
Ok, maybe you're drunk or something because you didn't get that sentence.
I ment why don't you pick some thread started by me or ammo or someone else from 56thFG and fool around there, that way your revenge would be better aimed.
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Vector I didn't start that 109K thread so what's the difference? In both cases a "third-party" interferes to the discussion and hijacks it.
I'm just larning from you guys (Ammo and you) and I belive after little practising I will be good at this :)
Cya later ! :)
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Hi Makofan,
The three jugs can really be flown in the exact same manner for effective results. The differences are not so different.
however, the D11 is the fastest at all playable altitudes, but also has the pooorest rate of climb.
The D25 has a bit better climb than the D11, and a much more capable Air to Ground loadout, however the rocket tubes are not jetisonable and they create drag that you dont want.
The d30 has the most power of the 3 and will climb at 3200 FPM at sea level clean. It also has an even more impressive air to ground loadout. Also this jug has the option for the larger drop tanks.
Please ignore staga, he is just wanting to get at me. I apologize.
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ammo
did you used to be ammomn of 332nd in WBs?
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.....are pretty much the Jug experts in AH. Tac is good in one too, as is Drex.
Here is the Jug we REALLY want though:
Max speed: 470-480 mph @ 28,500 ft. Climb, at max. gross weight (including three 75 gallon drop tanks): 4.9 minutes to 15,000 feet at 2,600 rpm (1700 hp). Reportedly, the "M" could reach 20,000 feet in 5.7 minutes at military power (2,100 hp @ 2,800 rpm). 20,000 feet in 4.75 minutes in WEP (2,800 hp @ 2,800 rpm). This is with full internal fuel and ammo. No external stores or drop tanks. In other words, normal load, clean configuration.
Repeat after me........P47M, P47M, P47M!!!!!!!! :D
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Originally posted by Makofan
ammo
did you used to be ammomn of 332nd in WBs?
that would be me. You were in the 27th Sentai, right?
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I aint no expert eddie, but thx. I am just very fond of it now I am armed with the "Jug Bible":D
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Man, sometimes I wonder why on earth I moved up here.....nothing comes simple here, takes weeks to get ANYTHING in when ya order it, then IF you get it, it's probably gonna be the wrong item and not what you ordered.
I tried three times to order reference books from the local stores. Each time I got told (after almost two weeks of waiting) that the books were "unavailable at this time".
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ammo
great to sse ya! Yes, I was in 27 Sentai in the HA a few years ago; really missed you guys when you quit. I just started AH, not sure what I am going to do, but it will probably be mainly CT
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good to see you too mako. Now that you are here, you may as well enjoy it:) If ya see us in the MA or CT then by all means tag along. We are gonna make a country change here in a day or two, looks like we will be bishops.
Welcome aboard. If you get to where you have a fondness of the P-47, then by all means look at our squad for membership. We have a great bunch of guys that have alot of fun flying together.
Eddie, I just let Amazon find Warren Bodie's book for me. They will search for several months until they fiund it or not. I got lucky:)
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Originally posted by Staga
Vector I didn't start that 109K thread so what's the difference? In both cases a "third-party" interferes to the discussion and hijacks it.
I'm just larning from you guys (Ammo and you) and I belive after little practising I will be good at this :)
Cya later ! :) [/QUOTE}
Staga,
Learn faster and buy a dictionary. Your the first person I've seen spell worse than HT!
Makofan
I bought my P47 Flight manual back in 1997 when I was flying Air Warrior.
I love the -25 in AH. What a great zoomer!
I've often found myself on the deck running wide circle banks and high speed Yo-Yo type manuvers.
The amazing thing about this bird is that you can turn it around rather quick when the speed is high.
What that means is that an enemy might saddle up on you, then turn off because you are going too fast for them to catch you. Then you reverse on a high Yo-Yo and shoot him in the six.
It also makes a great vulcher! :D
Viper
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Not taking any sides on the issue itself but Sky Viper you might want to keep in mind that not everyone here speaks english as their native language. And FWIW, jumping on every typo (they were typos, nothing more...his grammar better than some native english speakers' on this BBS) you see is pretty silly. I bet that Staga's english is way better than your finnish...
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Hehe, there's nothing wrong with staga's english, but I must admit that there were several "little" typos in his numerous posts. But I quess that was because he was in hurry to post that P-47M image to every thread in this BBS.. or was it P-47D-23 image..? Can't recall.
staga, no hard feelings :)