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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: TheOxman on April 02, 2002, 11:01:45 AM
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I was wondering how the b-25 fair in battle. Vs. the b-26 and others. Like we need another small bomber, just would be neat to do the Dolittle raid. Would it be worth having the B-25?
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DEFINATELY! The B25 was extremely influential in the Pacific during WW2. It was a very good anti-ship platform. It also had a lighter wing loading than the B26, giving it better handling qualities.
The B25h had 8 .50 caliber machine guns in the nose, and had the ability to carry rockets I believe.
The B25J was a standard medium bomber equipped with either the sperry or norden bombsite.
If you ever want to get a book with hundreds, perhaps thousands of first hand B25 combat accounts, Warpath Across the Pacific is the book to get. It also has hundreds of combat photos.
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Naah; What we need is He-177 "Greif"
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/he177/orig_he177_a5.jpg)
Heya Ammo !
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what about the He-111
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Originally posted by Staga
Naah; What we need is He-177 "Greif"
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/he177/orig_he177_a5.jpg)
Heya Ammo !
*cough*hijacker!*cough*
btw which game is that?
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and I'm willing to BRIBE BIG TIME!
;)
ahhh yes.. Cragganmore... sure! Boubon? NP, name your flavor! Beer by the truckload! Pizza? How many, what toppings? A review of the Chippendale Dancers for Ronnie and Yankee? I'll see to it! Vegas showgirls for Super and Nate? I'll take care of it!
Just let me know! :D
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Bend Over that's a AddOn plane for M$ FS2002 but there's also version for at least CFS2. I'm not sure where did I d/l that one, propably from www.flightsim.com
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the b25H in warbirds was awesome with that big gun.that plane would make the ideal anti-shipping platform.Imagine ripping apart those little PT boats with one shot. Yeah, the B25 definitely should be introduced. I feel that HTC wanted to offer something different from warbirds and that's why they introduced the B26 instead.
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B25H in Warbirds was awesome. My guess is the HTC wanted to be diffeent from Warbirds and that's why they offered the B26 instead.
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I've heard HT hates the B-25 with a passion, and would never allow it to be introduced into AH.
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why's that?
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Does seem HTC has a a thing for ETO aircraft.
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/i forget which type but one of the B-25s had a solid nose and a 75mm gun in that solid nose
:confused:
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And from everything I have read, the recoil was a squeak and aiming it was might near to impossible.
I'd prefer any of the B25's with the 12 gun noses, preferably like the 345th had in the Pacific. "Warpath Across The Pacific" has some really fantastic combat photography of the Air Apaches in action. Add "daisy cutters" and parafrags, and watch the Osty and M16's pop like balloons......oh wait........it takes an AP 16" shell to kill the Osty turret, right? Forget it then........
Would be nice to finally see a Mitchell in the game, tho.
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The B25s 75mm cannon was VERY accurate. It was in fact radar aimed. However, it required a very long, straight bomb run and the radar could easily be cluttered if the target was on land. On a 10 mile bombing run about 6 rounds could be fired I believe. The 75mm cannons were taken out when it was found that bombs were statistically more effective. As far as I know, B25s armed with 75mm only once were sent to destroy enemy tanks. A group of japanese light tanks were spotted and a squadron of B25s were scrambled. However, all the Japanese tanks had been destroyed by Shermans by the time the B25Hs arrived.
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I'm not sure where you are getting your info from but the 75mm cannon in the B-25 was aimed by the pilot, not radar, and by all accounts I've read was not considered very effective. Indeed, many cannon equiped B-25's had the 75mm replaced by a pair of .50 cal mgs.
-Smut
Originally posted by fdiron
The B25s 75mm cannon was VERY accurate. It was in fact radar aimed. However, it required a very long, straight bomb run and the radar could easily be cluttered if the target was on land. On a 10 mile bombing run about 6 rounds could be fired I believe. The 75mm cannons were taken out when it was found that bombs were statistically more effective. As far as I know, B25s armed with 75mm only once were sent to destroy enemy tanks. A group of japanese light tanks were spotted and a squadron of B25s were scrambled. However, all the Japanese tanks had been destroyed by Shermans by the time the B25Hs arrived.
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It was about as effective as anything with a long reload time can be, mounted on a platform with a significant amount of oscillation. (The navigator had to load the damn thing manually, I believe).
It didn't prove to be an effective anti-tank weapon for that reason (which is what the developers were hoping). However the 75mm was very useful in anti-shipping operations. Pilots would dive on the enemy vessel and simply unleash everything: rocket salvo, fire from the 10 (counting top turret) 50cals, and a round from the 75mm. Bye Bye ship.
Not much use for this in AH at the moment, however, apart from the thrill of using some very big weapons to do to a PT boat what you can now do perfectly adequately with a Jug, p38, Tiffie, etc. It certainly wouldn't be able to penetrate the flak screen around a CV in order to get close enough to use the big gun or the rockets.
HOWEVER, if we get seaborne supply convoys, it could be a useful piece of hardware. Likewise, since the flak has been toned down on the trains, it makes for an ideal train buster.
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would 75mm hurt a destroyer?
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Yes, but not fatally, although a combined attack with rockets by two or three B25s did sink several Japanese destroyers, I believe. Mostly they were used for commerce and supply raiding against lightly armed and armored vessels.
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Originally posted by Taiaha
Yes, but not fatally, although a combined attack with rockets by two or three B25s did sink several Japanese destroyers, I believe. Mostly they were used for commerce and supply raiding against lightly armed and armored vessels.
This is interesting. I've never seen/heard/read anything about B-25s carrying rockets in actual combat. Nada. Zip. Epis. So I'd love to hear more.
- oldman
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Considering that the B25 was 'the most built and used' medium bomber in the US inventory, its a natural selection for Aces high. Lets also add some new ordnance to go along with it, Skip bombs and Para-frags.
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Oldman, I'm sure I've got a photo somewhere of a squadron of 25s lined up for take-off; I'm pretty sure it was during WWII but I can't remember the base. In the photo they are clearly equipped with rockets. I'll see if I can dig it out. But I'm also pretty sure I remember reading a couple of accounts of 25 pilots attacking ships with rockets; but I could easily be misremembering that. Anyone else have any info on this?
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para-studmuffins?
;)
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I'm not sure where you are getting your info from but the 75mm cannon in the B-25 was aimed by the pilot, not radar, and by all accounts I've read was not considered very effective. Indeed, many cannon equiped B-25's had the 75mm replaced by a pair of .50 cal mgs.
The radar produced a circular blip on the pilots windscreen by which he aimed. The radar operator cranked 2 handles to adjust the blip. I am getting my information from "Warpath Across the Pacific". Where are you getting your information from smut?
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While I had never heard of such a radar mounted to the B-25, and my home references make no mention of such a radar, in digging on the web I found this:
"24 B-25Hs were taken on strength by the 11th Bombardment Squadron of the Fourteenth Air Force for interdiction work in China in early 1944. They were first employed on river sweeps. In November the 11th Squadron received a few examples of the new APG-13A radar ranging equipment for use with the 75-mm cannon. This enabled the precise range to a target to be determined at all times during an attacking run, making precise aiming much simpler. This equipment was operated by the navigator, and was installed in B-25Hs 43-4584, 4071, 4924, 4989, and 4601. "
This would seem to support your reference, but only for five aircraft. There is also a big difference between a radar ranging set and a radar guided weapon.
More at http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b025-15.html
-Smut
Originally posted by fdiron
The radar produced a circular blip on the pilots windscreen by which he aimed. The radar operator cranked 2 handles to adjust the blip. I am getting my information from "Warpath Across the Pacific". Where are you getting your information from smut?
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Originally posted by BenDover
para-studmuffins?
;)
Para-Frags (http://www.pacificghosts.com/photos/wwii/wewak.html)
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Found this at http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b3-11.htm
No mention of any radar here. Still looking, but doubtful it had radar.
Edit - (wiping egg off face) while I was looking this up Smut found some stuff.
The B-25H was an improved version of the B-25G. The fixed nose armament was increased to four nose-mounted .50-cal. machine guns and four more .50-cal. machine guns in fuselage mounted pods. The 75mm cannon was changed from the -G model's M4 to the lighter T13E1 75mm cannon. The top turret was moved to the forward fuselage and the lower turret was removed and replaced by a single .50-cal. machine gun in each of the two waist positions. A tail turret housing a pair of .50-cal. machine guns was added bringing the firepower total to 14 .50-cal. machine guns and a 75mm cannon. The aircraft could also carry up to 3,200 pounds of bombs.
The prototype -H model was modified from a block 10 B-25C and first flew in May 1943. This aircraft had improved Wright R-2600-20 radial engines, but all production aircraft were completed with the standard Wright R-2600-13 radials used on all B-25s since the -C model.
The first of 1,000 production B-25Hs first flight was on 31 July 1943. The five-man crew consisted of the pilot, navigator-cannoneer-radioman, flight engineer-top turret gunner, waist gunner-camera operator and tail gunner. Three of five crew members had multiple jobs; there was no co-pilot or bombardier and only one waist gunner. The last -H model built was covered with the signatures of the North American Aviation factory workers and nicknamed "Bones." The aircraft remained this way throughout its combat life while assigned to the 12th Bomb Group in the Pacific.
TYPE
B-25H
Number Built/Converted
1,000
Remarks
Imp. B-25G; more guns!
Notes:
Serial numbers: 43-4105 to 43-5104
B-25C-10-NA S/N 42-32372 modified to become the prototype B-25H
SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 67 ft. 7 in.
Length: 51 ft. 0 in.
Height: 15 ft. 9 in.
Weight: 33,500 lbs. (max.)
Armament: Fourteen .50-cal. machine guns and one 75mm T13E1 cannon plus 3,200 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Wright R-2600-13 turbo-supercharged radials of 1,700 hp. each (take-off power)
Crew: 5
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 275 mph. at 13,000 ft.
Cruising speed: 230 mph.
Range: 1,350 miles
Service Ceiling: 24,800 ft.
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Some more info on B25H found at http://pages.prodigy.com/jing_bao/b25h.htm
Very similar to the site that Smut found, in fact looks word for word the same.
Specification of the North American B-25H Mitchell:
Two Wright R-2600-13 Double Cyclone fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radials, rated at 1700 hp each for takeoff and 1500 hp at 2400 rpm. Equipped with Holley 1685HA carburetors.
Performance: Maximum speed 275 mph at 13,000 feet, 230 mph cruising speed. An altitude of 15,000 feet could be reached in 19 minutes. Service ceiling 23,800 feet. Range 1350 miles with 3000 pounds of bombs.
Weights: 19,600 pounds empty, 35,000 pounds maximum loaded.
Fuel: The fuel capacity consisted of four tanks in the inner wing panels, with a total capacity of 670 US gallons. In addition, 304 US gallons of fuel could be carried in auxiliary tanks in the outboard wing panels, for a normal total fuel load of 974 US gallons. A 515-gallon tank could be installed in the bomb bay for ferrying purposes, 125 gallons of fuel could be carried in side waist positions, a 215-gallon self-sealing fuel tank installed in the bomb bay, and provisions could be made for a droppable 335-gallon metal bomb-bay fuel tank.
Armament: One 75-mm T13E1 cannon in nose with 21 rounds. Four 0.50-inch machine guns in the nose with 400 rpg.
Two 0.50-inch machine guns in individual blisters on the right hand side of the fuselage with 400 rpg.
Beginning with B-25H-5 No. 43-4405, two 0.50-inch machine guns were added in blisters on the left hand side of the forward fuselage.
Two 0.50-inch machine guns in top turret, 400 rpg.
Two 0.50-inch machine guns in waist position, 200 rpg.
Two 0.50-inch machine guns in tail turret, 600 rpg.
Normal internal bomb load was 3000 pounds.
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Oldman and Taiaha, and anybody else that cares
found this on the rockets at http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/URb25.html
The B-25H was armed with a T13E1 75mm cannon (in place of the M4 of the B-25G), and, across the centre of the nose, four fixed 0.5 in (12.7mm) machine guns. The H also featured two 0.5 in. machine guns in packs on each side of the forward fuselage, making eight forward firing machine guns in addition to the 75mm cannon. It also carried a 3,000 lb. (1361 kg) bomb load or a 2,000 lb. (907 kg) aerial torpedo, plus eight 5 inch (127mm) rockets under the wings.
So far only reference I have found that mentioned rockets
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Ok, finally found something on rockets for B-25 but its for the
B-25J
Found at http://www.b25.net/#B-25
Beginning with the 151st B-25J-1 (43-4019), provisions for the carrying of a single 2000-pound bomb were deleted. As it turned out, the 2000-pound bomb was rarely carried during actual combat, and the bulky and restrictive shackles for the 2000-pound bomb took up a lot of space in the bomb bay. This enabled a normal offensive load of two 1600-lb or three 1000-lb bombs to be carried internally, plus combinations of smaller bombs of various types, including 20-pound parafrags.
blah blah blah
then
The -25 production block introduced new types of armored seats for both pilots. Beginning with 44-30111, armored plate deflectors were added to the upper fuselage to prevent the upper turret gunner from inadvertently firing his guns into the structure of his own plane, especially into the raised cupola where the tail gunner sat. Beginning with 44-30309 and throughout the -25 production block, provisions were made for the mounting of a chemical tank on an underwing bomb rack. On production block -30, stainless steel "S"-shaped exhaust stacks replaced the enameled 1020 steel stacks on cylinders 1, 7, and 9. Effective with serial number 44-31111, provisions were made for the mounting of a chemical tank in the bomb bay. Provisions for a type C-6 electric bomb hoist were made effective with 44-31311. Provisions were made for the carrying of wing-mounted T-64 zero-length rocket launchers beginning with 44-31338. These launchers could carry up to eight five-inch high-velocity aircraft rockets (HVAR). Beginning with 44-31491, a K-10 computing gunsight was provided for the gunner in the tail turret, and M-8A gun mounts were provided for the tail guns. Provisions for the mounting of glide bombs suspended underneath the fuselage were added beginning with 44-86692. In addition, a special cockpit sight and release controls for the glide bomb were provided. An N-9B bombsight was installed beginning with 44-86793. Beginning with 44-86799, the rudder control cables were rerouted.Provisions were made for the carrying of wing-mounted T-64 zero-length rocket launchers beginning with 44-31338. These launchers could carry up to eight five-inch high-velocity aircraft rockets (HVAR).
Its entirely possible that when the B25J came out with the rocket launchers that the B25H crew "whined" for field mods but so far I havent found anything. Of course, I'm still at work and only have the internet to search in so there are limits. Maybe Widewing has something?
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One of the reasons I recall for HT not having a B25 in AH was it was just too common, a kind of been there done that. However I have an idea, where we can have the B25 and HT can be different.
Marine Corps B25's
See this info at http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b025-19.html
Also more here http://rwebs.net/dispatch/output.asp?ArticleID=20
The PBJ-1 was a navalized version of the USAAF B-25.
Large numbers of B-25H and J variants were delivered to the Navy as PBJ-1H and PBJ-1J respectively.
The PBJs were operated almost exclusively by the Marine Corps as land-based bombers. To operate the PBJ-1s, the US Marine Corps established a number of bomber squadrons, beginning with VMB-413, in March of 1943 at Cherry Point, North Carolina. Eight VMB squadrons were flying PBJs by the end of 1943, forming the initial Marine Medium Bombardment Group. Four more were in the process of formation in late 1945, but had not yet deployed by the time the war ended.
PBJ-1Hs served with VMB-412, VMB-413, VMB-423, VMB-433, VMB-443, VMB-453, VMB-463, VMB-473, VMB-483, VMB-611, VMB-612, VMB-614, VMB-621, VMB-622, VMB-623 and VMB-624. VMB-413, 423, 433, 443, and 611 operated in the Central and South Pacific, and BMB-612 and 613 operated in the Central Pacific.
Operational use of the Marine Corps PBJ-1s began in March of 1944. The Marine PBJs operated from the Philippines, Saipan, Iwo Jima and Okinawa during the last few months of the Pacific war. Their primary mission was the long range interdiction of enemy shipping that was trying to run the blockade which was strangling Japan. The weapon of choice during these missions was usually the five-inch HVAR rocket, eight of which could be carried on underwing racks. Many of the PBJ-1C and D versions carried a rather ugly, bulbous antenna for an APS-3 search radar sticking out of the upper part of the transparent nose. On the PBJ-1H and J, the APS-3 search radar antenna was usually housed inside a ventral or wingtip radome. Some PBJ-1Js had their top turrets removed to save weight, especially toward the end of the war when Japanese fighters had become relatively scarce.
The weapon of choice during these missions was usually the five-inch HVAR rocket, eight of which could be carried on underwing racks. Many of the PBJ-1C and D versions carried a rather ugly, bulbous antenna for an APS-3 search radar sticking out of the upper part of the transparent nose. On the PBJ-1H and J, the APS-3 search radar antenna was usually housed inside a ventral or wingtip radome. Some PBJ-1Js had their top turrets removed to save weight,
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"Deployment of the B25H-5: June, 1944
During the first two weeks of June, the 498th Squadron recieved a complement of 14 brand-new B25H-5s direct from the states, along with 16 aircrews to fly them. The six-man crews had been part of a secret unit which had been given special training in the use of the plane's new M.I.T.-developed radar-controlled gun sight at the Army Air Corps Proving Ground at Eglin Field, Florida, during February and March.
The gun sight for aiming the 75mm cannon consisted of a glass reticle in front of the pilot containing a circle and a dot. From his bucket seat to the right of the pilot, the bombardier worked the crank which linked the sight up with the radar scope, which sat in front of him with a face piece over it. As the pilot flew towards a target, it appeared as a pip on the radar screen at about 5000 yards. The pip would advance across the screen from the right as the plane approached, finally centering over a small step on the screen. The bombardier would then turn the crank which moved the step and the pip together. This automatically turned the reticle in front of the pilot, who flew the plane to keep the reticle lined up on the target. He would usually begin firing the cannon at a range of between 3500 and 4000 yards. The system was so accurate that during training one of the pilots had severed a steel support for a wooden ship target in Eglin Bay with a single round from the cannon."
Page 165
Warpath Across the Pacific
Lawrence J. Hickey
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Originally posted by MajTom
The weapon of choice during these missions was usually the five-inch HVAR rocket, eight of which could be carried on underwing racks.
Thanks, MajTom. Sure was news to me, as was fdiron's information on the radar sighting system for the 75.
- Oldman
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From Warpath Across The Pacific, Lawrence J. Hickey, pg 165.
Unfortunately, most of the missions being flown by the 345th at that time were against targets for which the radar was ineffective. While a ship on the water was an ideal target for the radar system, land targets caused so much background clutter on the radar screeen that it was practically impossible to distinguish a specific object such as a building or a plane sitting on an airfield. Moreover, pilots continued to be uneasy about flying without a co-pilot, especially in the low-level role. The plane was even more of a threat to the (p. 166) bombardiers. It turned out that in a ditching or a crack up, the radar console had a tendency to fall back into the operator's lap, causing serious injury or pinning him to the seat. If the plane had a fire aboard or ditched, this could and did prove fatal.
[snip part about bombardier getting pinned]
Eventually, several bombardiers went to the Squadron C.O. and complained about the problem. These factors, plus a shorter range and the extra maintenance required to keep the H-5's in flying condition, resulted in a decision by late July to discontinue their use in the theater. They would be transferred out of the 498th as soon as B-25J's became available to replace them."
Basically, they gave them a try for two months and decided to get rid of them.. at least in the 345th.
But Iron's right.. they did have radar on some H's. The G's and H's prior to this "experiment" were manually aimed by the pilot using an "inverted Christmas" tree sight. That style comprised the overwhelming number of G and H models used.
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I have decided to keep searching for data on the internet on the B25.
I will continue to post stuff here until HT decides to bring the B25 to AH. (or they lock this thread, and I get banned for being annoying)
This site more stuff http://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/b25.htm
In the summer of 1942 the USAAF and the USN came to an agreement which allowed the Navy to operate land-based bombers. In early 1943 the Marine Corps began to receive its first B-25Cs, which were given the Navy designation PBJ-1C. On 17 March 1944 the "Flying Nightmares" of VMB-143 flew their first operational mission, against Rabaul A total of 706 aircraft were delivered to the USN and USMC. These aircraft were painted grey, or later sea blue. Radar was installed, and depending on the type it was under the aft fuselage, on the wing tip, or in the nose. Their normal armament consisted of depth charges, but they could also carry a torpedo. Nine USMC squadrons used the PBJ-1 in combat.
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In another B25 book of mine I have pictures of the rocket tubes mounted on B25s. I can email it to anyone if they really want it.
Trivia- The AIr Corp experimented with a huge flame thrower mounted on B25s. It had a bad habit of burning the plane.
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Originally posted by fdiron
Trivia- The AIr Corp experimented with a huge flame thrower mounted on B25s. It had a bad habit of burning the plane.
lol, what do you expect? the plane would be moving into the flame
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Anybody read "The saga of Pappy Gunn"? I'm not sure if the title is correct. Anyways, he was one of the first to field-modify B25Cs with a glazed nose by adding machine guns and a solid nose. Also, the novel "Whip" by Martin Caidin deals with the same subject, but it's purely fiction.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
Also, the novel "Whip" by Martin Caidin deals with the same subject, but it's purely fiction.
Heh heh. So is most of the stuff he wrote.
- oldman
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Fdiron, please post the pics would like to see the rockets on the B25, also if you or anybody else has any pics of the Navy/Marine B25's, lots of data on the internet but sofar I cant find any pics.
I think Pappy was the one that had the idea or some of the pilots did and had his guys do field mods adding the gun.
somewhere I have a book with that stuff but its probably in my sister's attic with my b17 books and everything else I seem to be not able to find.
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FWIW, I heard that the 75 could be fired three times only. If fired more than that in a short time, the cockpit would be so filled with smoke that the pilot could not see.
Yippee38
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Doesn't have rockets loaded, but you can see the racks...
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b25j-6.jpg
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As for the para frags mentioned above, those were a result of low level bombs damaging the attacking aircraft (that happen to anyone in AH? I always do that with rockets, blow myself up). So the parachute slows it so that the B25 would be out of the way when it exploded.
The skip bombs were something neat. They were specially fused so that B25s could fly at a ship and a few hundred yards out release a bomb and it would skip like a flat rock across the water. The special fuses were needed so that the bombs didn't explode on water contact but only when they slammed into the side of a ship.
If any new weapon additions were made on this technical of a level, I would be very pleased.
Just my piece.
Jason
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skip bomb as in the lancaster's bouncing bombs??
cool, lets have some dams
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lot off dutch flew em in the pacific and in europe
i like to have one with a big dutch flag on it :D
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Can ya say PUNT!
and
A-26, and P-61
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Originally posted by BenDover
para-studmuffins?
;)
paira-f@gz?
the dropped milli vanilli outta the B-25 on the japanese and there was no war crimes trial?
A-26 would be one hot bird in AH.
that plane could do it all - so could the P-61 (except level bombing)
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
lot off dutch flew em in the pacific and in europe
i like to have one with a big dutch flag on it :D
I really like that idea. The B-25 saw widespread use, so it could be used to get yet another country into AH.
So far, I count 10 countries so far:
Germany
Russia
Italy
Japan
USA
England
Canada (Mossie)
Poland (spit 9)
Brazil (P47-D25)
Finland (109-G2)
maybe I've missed some. More would be nice!
btw, I'd like to see a NZ Corsair.
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B25's would be great. With the popularity of the Doolittle Raid it would give us a carrier based bomber.
-SLICER
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Originally posted by AtmkRstr
I really like that idea. The B-25 saw widespread use, so it could be used to get yet another country into AH.
So far, I count 10 countries so far:
Germany
Russia
Italy
Japan
USA
England
Canada (Mossie)
Poland (spit 9)
Brazil (P47-D25)
Finland (109-G2)
maybe I've missed some. More would be nice!
btw, I'd like to see a NZ Corsair.
P-40B has Chinese markings.
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Originally posted by Staga
Naah; What we need is He-177 "Greif"
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/he177/orig_he177_a5.jpg)
Heya Ammo !
how do you make planes
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Traditionally, you work out a design. First, figure out what you want the plane to do. You want a fighter bomber that can do a mach three intercept? Your design will differ from the plane you'd make if instead you wanted a freighter plane that could carry one hundred tons of cargo.
You've got to pick out your airfoils and do an engineering assessment on stresses, then design a body. Based on your requirements, design some wings that use the airfoil ou think is best for your purposes. Make sure you know what engines you'll use too so you can design them into it.
Once you've built it and installed avionics and everything, you can test fly it from some an accomadating airport (Mojave is good, they do a lot of experimental civilian aircraft).
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with Microsoft games you just build the design you want and creat an "air" file for it, which controls the flight dynamics. Then add sound (optional) and a panel, and you're set.
S!
Ridge