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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKcurly on April 02, 2002, 03:40:01 PM
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I just received private e-mail from IEN notifying me of an upcoming WB3 scenario.
I have never had an IEN account. How do you suppose they got my e-mail address? Spamming scumbags. :mad:
curly
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Same here. But I have had an account.
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Did you download and play during the "free" trial?
Your son is a lawyer... maybe he gave them your e-mail addy.
Just a couple of ideas to help you out.
AKDejaVu
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Shouldn't there be a line "If you don't wan't to receive crap like this anymore please send reply to___" ?
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I got the same e-mail. It was addressed to an old account (which is now dead except for the forward; the machine is in my ex-house attached to my ex-T1). I suspect they dredged up every e-mail from every source they had.
Like I said, I think WB is on the way out. It's showing all the signs and symptoms.
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heh, I get so much junk mail, this doesn't phase me a bit. I've gotten 12 junk emails so far today. Some tards got me on a list somewhere. Guess it goes with having the same email addy for 6 years.
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FYI Staga. Never reply to SPAM that asks you to for cancellation. Spammers use that as a tool to gather real email addresses to sell to others. The best way to get more SPAM is to respond to it. 99% of spammers do not know if the emails they send reach a target or not, unless you respond to it.
Once you respond to it, you belong to them for life, or until you change your email address.
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Wasn't there a spam law on the hill a year or so ago? What happened with it?
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Some arsewipe republicans thought that it would be infringing on free speech. funny how its all about freedom when corporate america is involved....
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It actually died hblair. It really didn't have any teeth in it anyways.
Congress has a problem they cannot resolve due to ignorance on thier part. You see, it is legal for anyone to send regular postal mail advertisements to anyone in the U.S. Spammers have been using that as a basis for what they do, which is what trips up Congress.
Congress has no idea how much it costs companies, like AppLink for instance, to maintain email servers and upgrades to those servers so real email can get delivered with the SPAM going on.
In my little part of the Internet, I have to have twice the email server capacity to make sure legitimate email gets delivered in a timely manner due to the amount of SPAM the server has to handle. SPAM costs me real money.
The other point is really quite simple. The U.S. Post Office makes money on the delivery of advertisements to your post box. Companies have to pay to send the stuff out. Spammers only have to pay the local ISP for a connection.
Spammers regularly commit fraud, but will go unpunished as it requires intervention of the State Attorney General, and (at least in Texas) the office will not do anything as the time it takes and costs in prosecution does not warrant thier committment.
Of course, proving someone has used an ISP service for spam is another problem. ISP's only have logs of email transactions. These logs could be easily manufactured and any defense attorney worth his salt will use that as a defense.
It would be really rather easy to shut down SPAM on the Internet, but it would take a global effort by all ISP's to do so. 2 lines in an access list in a router would almost stop it all. One to prevent access to any remote SMTP server and the other to allow only local SMTP servers to deliver email.
I have declared war on spam, much to the chagrin of many of you.
I have no desire to block legitimate email. As such, if you get a bounced email message back from HTC/AppLink with "Access denied", please post your SMTP server name or IP address in the Internet Forum. I will work with you to make sure your email gets delivered.
A tip: Do not use free email services, unless it is Yahoo or Hotmail. These two services will block spammers.
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Did'nt they mass mailed Airwarrior users when that went through the hoop?
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Oh, didn't I tell you? I gave it too them. Gettin you back for your April Fools joke.
I also signed you up for MSDN, got you a subscription to "Microsoft Systems Journal", "VB Magazine", and subscribed you to a couple of Bill Gates fan club email lists.
Oh, and I think you're a WWIIOL beta tester now too.
:D
Wab
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Yeah, like all of you, I receive lots of spam. Some of it occurs because we purchase items via the internet.
I'm pretty much immune to receiving spam from abc@xyz.com who wants to sell me a self-improvement course (or whatever.)
What really pisses me off is that 1) IEN is a legitimate business competitor of HTC, 2) no one in my family has ever had a WB account.
Therefore, there is exactly one way for IEN to have my e-mail address: They have been harvesting e-mail address from this BBS and that really pisses me off for some reason. :)
curly
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Hmmm do you CM guys havea mailing list going?
Wab
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i got that same mail on three account my personal which I only use for family stuff.
@hotmail which I use if I expect to get a bunch bullcrap
and @fw-190 which I used for most of my gaming and had used at wb.
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Skuzzy is on the money. No surer way to increase the spam you're slimed with than to respond to one of those cancel here replies.
My mother and my daughters used to send me a lot of those web greeting cards 'till I convinced them they are a big source of spam.
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LOL Wab
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I feel left out. I didn't get iEN SPAM.
Let me check to see if my names still in the phone book.
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Two to my Yahoo address, one to my Hotmail addy.
So, I called iEn's TechSupport (what a joke!!!! They should look at HTC to see how tech support is supposed to be) and asked them to take me off the email list.
We'll see what happens now.
Just for fun, I still download the patches from WB3, and as long as iEn has their heads up their proverbial asses, HTC has nothing to fear from them. An F86? In a WW2 combat sim? ROFL!!!!!!!
Thank the Lord hblair talked me into giving AH a try, or I might still me one of the iEn mushrooms who think being fed feces/excrement (nice word for toejam) is good for them...........
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So how do spammers get your email address,...here are the more popular methods:
1) Responding to a SPAM message will garantee you more SPAM than you can shake a stick at. They take the email addresses and compile them and sell them.
2) Registering a domain with your email address. SPAMMERS have tools to gleen the email addresses from the domain registration databases.
3) Some WEB sites extract your email address via Java scripts from your computer. No firewall will help you here. Porn sites are notorious for this.
4) Blanket coverage using common user names. If you have a common user name, spammers will hit you just by flooding a server with random attempts from lists of common names. Then what does not come back with a "User Unknown" error is put into a list to sell.
5) If you post to Usenet, your email address is in the header, and SPAMMERS have tools to extract that.
6) If you purchase something from some sites, they sell addresses to get more revenue.
7) If your ISP does not protect the mail server and setup security correctly, SPAMMERS can get the complete list of email addresses from the server. You would be surprised how many ISP's mess this up and not just the mom and pop ISP's either.
These are the more popular methods for getting email addresses. There are others, but not used very widely due to the amount of effort involved.
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Do you use ORBS/BlackHole, Skuzzy? You can also subscribe to the service that lists all the dial-up IP ranges for the major ISPs (free subscription) and block any mail from those IPs since they shouldn't be sending mail anyway.
Sendmail is a wonderful toy.
I had loads of fun with it back when I was running the network for an ISP :D
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Saw something on TV the other day about an anti spam law Washington state has on the books. Supposedly if you can track down who the actual spammer is, you can sue them in court and recieve I think $50 per offence for private peoples and $100 for companies. Sorry, I'm old and can't remember all the details.
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Soilent Green is People!!!
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Heard on the radio today that the FTC was going to go after Mass Emailers who do not give the Remove option, or do not honor it, are going to be taken to task
Dunno how true this is, heard it on the drive home....
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Ain't like it's a big thing. Just block sender and you won't here from them again. I have a lot of people/companies blocked and a filter list with words like teen, money, credit, etc... listed. I get 100-120 spam emails a day (the price you pay for having a couple of websites) and over 2/3'rds of them go directly into the trash folder so I never see them. I had to LOL when hblair said he got 12 emails...hehehe. No offense hblair but I get that many every coulpe of hours.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
3) Some WEB sites extract your email address via Java scripts from your computer. No firewall will help you here. Porn sites are notorious for this.
I'm screwed...
Time to bolt everything in place and wait for the flood. :)
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Puck, the ORBS/RBL service is no longer free. It requires a hefty subscription fee now. The couple that are free are way too tight about who they block. One of the free ones blocks all email from Verizon's network.
You can no longer trust the name of the IP that looks like a user IP for dial-up, DSL, or cable as the stupid ISP's name the addresses all the same, whether it is a business account or a residential user. SWBell, Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T all do this. (See a pattern here,...frakin phone companies).
I ended up writting some tools that analyzes the logs, but still requires human intervention. We actually check each entry in the log that is suspect before committing it to the block list. Takes about 4 hours a day to do this.
As far as filtering goes, SPAMMERS have tools that forges the email header To:/From: lines and uses a rotating/random string of random length compromised of letters/numbers. Makes it virtually impossible to block based on the To:/From: lines. Subject line filtering works for a while, until one of the SPAMMERS figures it out and alters the Subject line. Then they post that information to thier newsgroups and you are back to square one again.
You can't filter based on domain names in most cases, as most SPAMMERS use yahoo.com, msn.com and hotmail.com as the domain name.
As far as IEN SPAMMING people. They could have purchased an email list from many sources.
Oh,..there is one other Java script some sites run which can extract your email address book and send it to them. This only effects people that use MS Outlook or Outlook Express which use the address book feature.
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I don't like it when I can't send email because the mailserver rejects my mail because I'm a dial up user :(
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I use BrightMail to screen and auto-delete spam. As a result, very little gets through. Works well considering that it cost me nothing.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by BNM
Ain't like it's a big thing. Just block sender and you won't here from them again. I have a lot of people/companies blocked and a filter list with words like teen, money, credit, etc... listed. I get 100-120 spam emails a day (the price you pay for having a couple of websites) and over 2/3'rds of them go directly into the trash folder so I never see them. I had to LOL when hblair said he got 12 emails...hehehe. No offense hblair but I get that many every coulpe of hours.
I've been outclassed! :)
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Sounds like I got out of the ISP business just in time. I currently have just over 2000 lines in my /etc/mail/access file. It's pretty impressive.
Typically I block out IPs and blocks of IPs rather than addresses. I also use a different mail address for everything and alias them. When one gets on a spam list I redirect the alias to /dev/null.
It's all just a game. Windows is probibly the biggest waste of money ever written, but it keeps quite a few people employed. Just think of all the people who make their living either sending or blocking spam. Same thing, only different. :p
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You might want to addres the issue's of receivingthis unwanted mail here (http://bbs.warbirdsiii.com/showthread.php?threadid=1048) in this thread on the Warbirds board.
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Geez, Puck,...only 2,000? I have just over 78,000 in the list now and it grows by about 250 to 500 per day here lately. My blocks include IP's, blocks of IP's, domain names, email user names, combination of user and domain names, and subject lines.
ccvi, you only risk being blocked if you try to directly send email from your computer with it acting as the SMTP server, and not using the ISP's SMTP server.
Oh, and I get about 800 SPAM messages per day, but I have intentionally set myself up to get SPAMMED so I can try to catch the monsters before they can hit my clients.
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ORBS is pure BS.
One of the guys that ran the NZ list added competitive ISPs into the list (he ran his own ISP). So we had 3-4 legit ISPs who were getting email blocked from ORBS even though they weren't spamming and didn't have open mail relays.
Originally posted by Puck
Do you use ORBS/BlackHole, Skuzzy? You can also subscribe to the service that lists all the dial-up IP ranges for the major ISPs (free subscription) and block any mail from those IPs since they shouldn't be sending mail anyway.
Sendmail is a wonderful toy.
I had loads of fun with it back when I was running the network for an ISP :D
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Is that why all that Porn i send you keeps bouncing back.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Geez, Puck,...only 2,000? I have just over 78,000 in the list now and it grows by about 250 to 500 per day here lately. My blocks include IP's, blocks of IP's, domain names, email user names, combination of user and domain names, and subject lines.
ccvi, you only risk being blocked if you try to directly send email from your computer with it acting as the SMTP server, and not using the ISP's SMTP server.
Oh, and I get about 800 SPAM messages per day, but I have intentionally set myself up to get SPAMMED so I can try to catch the monsters before they can hit my clients.
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Yes, but you're an ISP ho. I have three sites to worry about; soon to be two. Home, work, and the California office. Once my Windoze guy figures out why ActiveD doesn't like the RFC1918 addresses in California they end up on a dedicated point to point and I only have one office and home to worry about.
I'm also pretty careful about giving out my address.
Personally I like UserFriendly's solution to the spammers, even if Spamford Wallace survived. My ex actually had her site hosted by him at one point, and I chatted with him on occasion. Blech.
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I have a red truck. :D
curly
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Got an email from the accounting department at iEn this morning, apologizing for the repetitive emails.
I am more than a little surprised at getting any response at all from them.
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Hmm, I haven't received even one spam in 4 years.. I must be doing something wrong.. :)
OTOH I did get spammed to my work address, I was stooped enough to include my e-mail addy for web administering contact. Some webbots kept spamming me after that.