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Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Beefcake on April 03, 2002, 02:04:51 PM
This is just a whine about all those people who want other countries to have planes when we all know that they will most likely suck-didly-uck. BRING MORE AMURICAN PLANES INTO AH!!!  

:D

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Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Ripsnort on April 03, 2002, 02:24:14 PM
B25.

The -111 would be nice for one thing, BoB.  Thats it! :)
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Karnak on April 03, 2002, 02:30:30 PM
He111 would also be useful for eastern front scenarios.

For being useful in the MA a bomber must be defendable or fast.  He111 is neither.

B-25 is somewhat defendable, but still not fast.

Tu-2S is fast, and has a very limited ability to defend itself.

I would like the next bomber to be the Tu-2S.
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: brady on April 03, 2002, 06:39:39 PM
TU-2 for me no nead for a B-25 at present imo.
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Hamish on April 03, 2002, 07:00:29 PM
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Originally posted by brady
TU-2 for me no nead for a B-25 at present imo.


I disagree, the B-25 with the 75mm nose cannon would be great for anti-GV ops :D

Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Jester on April 04, 2002, 02:43:59 AM
B-25 hands down.
Nothing the HE-111 can do that the JU-88 can't.

BTY Folks, there is another arena besides the MA. :rolleyes:
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: MadBirdCZ on April 04, 2002, 06:27:21 AM
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Originally posted by Andijg
Nothing the HE-111 can do that the JU-88 can't.


Umm... He-111 can carry V-1s ;)
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Tilt on April 04, 2002, 09:06:28 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
He111 would also be useful for eastern front scenarios.

For being useful in the MA a bomber must be defendable or fast.  He111 is neither.

B-25 is somewhat defendable, but still not fast.

Tu-2S is fast, and has a very limited ability to defend itself.

I would like the next bomber to be the Tu-2S.


MkXVI Mossie?

Tilt
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Wilbus on April 04, 2002, 09:15:14 AM
B25, B25, B25 and B25. If a bomber is added to LW (and it's twin engined or more) it should be something heavier and/or faster. Ju188, He177, Ju388 :D
The HE11 would only be good for scenarios, it was a much worse bomber then the Ju88, slower and less manuevarable and almost the same load.

The B25 with the 75mm shouldn't (although in AH it would) be a good GV killer unless the GV's were soft (M3's and M16 etc). It had a low velocity gun, not the high velocity anti tank guns some planes (Hs129 comes to mind) used.
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Angus on April 04, 2002, 09:37:37 AM
I'd want both!!!
He 111 was made in many variants throughout the war, even with floats and as a "double"!!
Although slower than the Ju88, it had had its good sides, such as a very flexible bomb-bay. It could carry hundreds of little bomblets, or up to 8 1000 lbs bombs on short missions.
There is no proper eastern front or BoB without the 111
Apart from that, it is a very beautiful plane.
Now the B25 is a must-have. Slower than the B26, it was more nimble and versatile. Just a question when...
But for those who want a monster-cannon equipped plane, it's probably easiest to feature the tse-tse, which is a Mosquito with a 57mm anti-shipping cannon in the nose, 4x.303 for other (ping*) purposes, and bombs or rockets under the wings...yeahh.
With that one you could maybe nail the acks while they are outta range,,,:D
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: spitfiremkv on April 04, 2002, 05:58:14 PM
I want both also!!!!! But,as a starter, I'd like the Hornisse cause I've never flown it.
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Weave on April 04, 2002, 07:23:19 PM
Quote: I disagree, the B-25 with the 75mm nose cannon would be great for anti-GV ops

Maybe, maybe, unless it was an osty your going in on, One hit and bye bye wing before you get in gun s range.:(

Perk the osty!
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Beefcake on April 04, 2002, 09:26:41 PM
Wasn't the B25H the one with the 75mm? Does anyone know the load out for it? If I remember correcty the H had 4x20mms and the 75mm in the nose plus it had all the rear guns (Top turret, tail and waist) Plus it could carry bombs. AM I correct on this or do I have several 25 models mixed up?

On another note, I would also like the see the B25J special Model. The one that had 12x50 cals in the nose.
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: illo on April 05, 2002, 04:56:51 AM
Pe-2 is quite fast and with defensive guns rear and below. IMO harder to kill than b17 and b24 together.  Atleast in russian WB FH:)
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Dr Zhivago on April 05, 2002, 05:43:54 AM
How about Russian TB-3 ? :rolleyes:
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: hazed- on April 05, 2002, 06:54:26 AM
He 111 although nice wouldnt be of any use in MA.

B25 is way too similar to the b26 (except slower) the 75mm would just be a novelty.

he111 would be great for the BOB setup but we could just get HTC to remodel one simple thing on our present ju88.
All they have to do is make the power output of both engines 1000HP instead of the 1300HP(?) we have, and call it a JU88A5! simple and takes no time at all im sure.
This same process could be applied to the B26, just adapt the current model to suit the earlier type.
what you americans should be asking for IF you want a bomber to compete in the MA is most likely the A20 or A26.or to cover almost every year of the war the B24(but with b17s theres no need for it really)or if you want unusual what about a baltimore?


so do we want a totally new b25 with 75mm or a couple of adapted current models and use the spare time to make a few more fighters or ground vehicles or something?

we have an american heavy bomber/medium bomber/torpedo bomber
we have 2 axis medium bombers(usable as torpedo too)

what we lack is divebombers!!

DOUGLAS SBD,STUKA ETC
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: Duedel on April 05, 2002, 07:15:33 AM
I want both but as mentioned before there are other bombers (soviet) to be implemented primarily.

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Originally posted by hazed-
... but we could just get HTC to remodel one simple thing on our present ju88.
All they have to do is make the power output of both engines 1000HP instead of the 1300HP(?) we have, and call it a JU88A5! simple and takes no time at all im sure.


If this is right than that's a great idea! Take a cool paint scheme and remodel the data (thats enough work i guess) and here we go.

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Originally posted by hazed-
what we lack is divebombers!!

DOUGLAS SBD,STUKA ETC


Exactly my opinion! I really want the Stuka!
Title: Which would survive and be used more in the MA: B25 or the He-111
Post by: midnight Target on April 05, 2002, 11:22:53 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Zhivago
How about Russian TB-3 ? :rolleyes:


Is that the one the paratroopers slid off the wing? My Cod that is ugly!